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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax  (Read 67630 times)

Jason_85

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Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« on: September 17, 2008, 02:03:44 AM »
Hello,

I just finished writing an article on the "Water Car", and am interested what you guys have to say about it. I've invited people from other forums to comment and I am interested to see what people have to say about it. I've opened up a discussion topic for it here: http://bottleweb.org/environmental-forum/renewable-fuels-technologies/stanley-meyer-s-super-electrolyser it should be interesting what the different views on this are.

Although I am obviously a skeptic I do welcome any and all views on this matter, especially if they are supported by evidence! Anyway the article itself is here, let me know what you think:

http://bottleweb.org/jason/water-car-hoax

Farlander

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 04:01:35 AM »
Dude you are in the wrong place.  Don't waste board space with your nay sayer fucktardedness.  If you want to be convinced, go do some research, and don't come back unless you have something nice or useful to say.

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 04:08:08 AM »
"basic Chemistry and Nuclear Physics, have an Honors Degree in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering"
Umm, ok. How old are you?

"whose miracle electrolysis technology simply involved pulsing electricity through water "
You sure? Maybe study Stanley Meyer a bit more...

Do you have any experience in hydroxy/HHO? You understand there is more going on than just transfer of heat and thermodynamics?

professor

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I am with you Farlander I wrote the following to Jason:
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 07:52:35 AM »
You are the typical brainwashed University Kid that probably doesn't even know how to use a Screwdriver.
I am a retired Electronic Technician I have dealt with Engineers all of my life.
I had my fill of them. Forget about the B.S. that is being taught,have an open mind and look at the results.I don't care what Qualifications you have on Paper, its not worth the ink that it was written with.Besides if you have Money I can buy any Degree out of the U.S.A.
Meyer is not the only one that drove a Car on a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen, you know.
Anyway you are not alone and I feel sorry for all of you.You just can't accept the facts that some of what you were taught in the university is bogus. I would consider it a waist of my time to go any further.
professor




Dude you are in the wrong place.  Don't waste board space with your nay sayer fucktardedness.  If you want to be convinced, go do some research, and don't come back unless you have something nice or useful to say.

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 10:58:29 AM »
That is truly sad to think a brite person like yourself is just trying to sit around and prove other peoples designs don't work. Now that you have learned the established versions of how things work you should be applying them to something useful in the way of a project for yourself. Tesla wasn't excepted very well either but yet we have no problem using his inventions while calling him a nut.

broli

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 11:26:52 AM »
Whether it's sad or not it's plane fact. Do you think any FE believer would waste a second reading what a nay sayer has to say. People have other things to do than read the philosophy of a skeptic, like doing actual research. What does he think he can accomplish, "convert" people to skepticism ?  ;D

BEP

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 01:17:59 PM »
Jason,

I read it completely. I'm sorry I did. The thoughts you provide are hardly original.

As I sit this early morning, with my first cup of java, I can only compare your thoughts to one thing:

In the kitchen we have a squawking cockatiel. The same song every morning - the same useless rant and repetition of the song yesterday and before. He sets in his cage, squawks, eats, defecates... Nothing will ever happen for him unless he gets out. I'm sure for him almost nothing exists outside of his cage.

Question what you've been taught. Question the obvious. You might find a way out of that cage someday.

otto

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 01:40:40 PM »
Hello all,

GOD forgive him, he doesnt know what he is wrighting.

Otto

Chris31

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 01:45:45 PM »
Members are here trying to make things work, doesnt have to be anything to do with stan meyers work. They are here doing something productive for this world, whatever the outcome, good or bad, it could be useful for other things.

How about creating a forum dedicated to bashing? you can discuss to your hearts content. With that kind of attitude, you will fail even before you started.

I suggest you keep your sceptism to yourself. Dont stand in front of the man whos trying to do something good.

What have you done?

Jason_85

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 02:31:16 PM »
hi guys,
Thanks for the enthusiasm! A few years ago I spoke with a man who researched Meyer's work quite intensely, and I spoke with him for several weeks about the technology. As you can imagine I was quite skeptical about, it's difficult to go through 4 years of standardised engineering and have an open mind with things like this, this is probably a short coming, one that I can appreciate most of you don't have.

He gave me a instruction guide for Meyer's super electrolysis machine, which I found at first quite difficult to understand. I have studied little electronics, both through University and casually so it took me a while to get my head around the circuitry. I did eventually though, and to my best understanding the device is simply a pulsed electrolysis machine. Anyway, I was never particularly convinced, and have found very little reliable information on the internet about how this super electrolysis should actually work.

Before you criticise me of spreading hate, please take a look at your own words. I can appreciate that our views differ greatly on this topic, but there's no reason we can't have a discussion about it. Also, just because I spent 4 years studying maths and physics, doesn't make me stupid. I don't really know why you would think such a thing. I think it's quite immature to be saying something like to be honest, I would never criticise someone for their academic background, everyone has the right and ability to learn about these things, right?

I'm 22 by the way, someone asked what my age was. I have just started studying a Masters in Sustainable Resource Management. I take a great interest in furthering the way we consume energy, and hope one day to help the world get out of this mess. At the same time I think that ideas such as the Water Car are simply holding the world back. Disagree with me? That's fine, but please be reasonable about it and let me know why you feel this way, instead of criticising me for having a degree or being 22.

Jason.

Jason_85

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 02:54:14 PM »
And if you disagree with something I've said, why not tell me why? I didn't start this thread for a fight, I love to learn and I've thrown my views out there, so let me know what specifically you don't agree with and, more importantly, why. It's all about learning right?

sparks

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 03:32:34 PM »
     @Jason

    The highfrequency emwaves that Meyer used act as a catalyst in the electrochemical disassociaton of water.   The response of the mass fields employed to the exposure to the hf pulses and ambient emwave patterns are what "fuels" the reaction.  A tiny bit of gain from the field repeated millions of times a second instead of the slow motion 60hertz field radiations.

Jason_85

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 03:39:58 PM »
Thanks sparks. Ok so you're saying that the EM current from the Meyer's electrolyser is not actually providing the power to disassociate the water? But then where is the power coming from? There is a difference in energy state between oxygen/Hydrogen (O2+2H2) and Water (2H2O), so what energy source is providing this difference?

sparks

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 03:52:45 PM »
   The standing wave field created by infrared radiation from the sun and the magma core of the Earth is the scource I suspect.   Water has a great affinity for this wavelength.  What I believe and this is not experimentally confirmed is that the hydrogen to oxygen bond is vibrated apart with an increase in amplitude of this wavelength.  Better stated concentration of the ambient infrared wave emmission overcomes the static molecular bond.

Jason_85

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Re: Stanley Meyer and The Water Car Hoax
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 06:24:07 PM »
You are the typical brainwashed University Kid that probably doesn't even know how to use a Screwdriver.
I am a retired Electronic Technician I have dealt with Engineers all of my life.
I had my fill of them. Forget about the B.S. that is being taught,have an open mind and look at the results.I don't care what Qualifications you have on Paper, its not worth the ink that it was written with.Besides if you have Money I can buy any Degree out of the U.S.A.
Meyer is not the only one that drove a Car on a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen, you know.
Anyway you are not alone and I feel sorry for all of you.You just can't accept the facts that some of what you were taught in the university is bogus. I would consider it a waist of my time to go any further.
professor

Lovely, and yes you're right Meyer wasn't the only one who drove a car on Hydrogen (Meyer didn't run anything on Hydrogen). Fuel Cell Technology has been a heavy field of reasearch over the past few decade, with many advances. However, none have managed to elude both the laws of thermodynamics and any scientific scrutnity the way that Meyer's Super Electrolysis technology did. But even fuel cells rarely use Hydrogen as a fuel, it is usually used as a storage device (i.e. electricity is used to create hydrogen, the hydrogen is stored in tanks, and burned on demand). It's more of a batter than a fuel.

Meyer's super electrolysis engine didn't run on Hydrogen, it simply used it as a carrier with water as a catalyst. The machine ran on nothing, hence my problem with it.

Jason,

I read it completely. I'm sorry I did. The thoughts you provide are hardly original.

As I sit this early morning, with my first cup of java, I can only compare your thoughts to one thing:

In the kitchen we have a squawking cockatiel. The same song every morning - the same useless rant and repetition of the song yesterday and before. He sets in his cage, squawks, eats, defecates... Nothing will ever happen for him unless he gets out. I'm sure for him almost nothing exists outside of his cage.

Question what you've been taught. Question the obvious. You might find a way out of that cage someday.

I'm trying. Hence I'm here, but to be honest I'm not convinced. Would you be? Other than the responses by sparks I've been greeted by little more than complaining and insults. I'm honestly trying to get a new perspective and this technology does interest me (that's why I'm here). Obviously I don't believe it to work, but everyone has their bias, the best we can do is discuss it together and hopefully get a new perspective.