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2nd "law" violations => Heat to mechanical energy conversion => Topic started by: pese on September 14, 2008, 05:24:48 PM
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ZORZI device now working prototype !!
Use the room-temperature only !!
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Generator_from_Ambient_Air_by_Kim_Zorzi#Latest_Developments
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I doubt that this will be so wide spread soon that I can warm my ass with it this winter but can always hope.
What I'm confused about is that the entry says it's not patented, but in his statement he says "They will unveil the power system in Florida later this year after all paper work and patents are in place."
Besides that there's too little information to comment on. I would like to know how soon that "later" is.
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This unveiling should be interesting - if it happens.
I can imagine the use of vortex tubes for creation of differentials. I built one at work. They are simple and very effective. The cold output keeps the lunches cold and the hot side heats the work area.
There are air leaks in the building air system that loose more air.
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Before you "vote" without to think:
Give attention to this remark:
Theoretically, the system is driven by the temperature of the ambient air which is provided by the regenerator tank, which gets its power from the generators.
Nothimg is free " Its an bis energy-punp that work with air insted other gas.
and take mor energy from ambient , that he can deliver to output becaus it substract also the power (from Input) that it can run.
This system was demonstrade (in simplier way, by schauberger and mazenauer , if you wondering .. you understand
the forces of the nature.
Pese
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This is what it says:
"but one that you would be very interested in is the one where as I have been able to make the system produce its own energy while it is producing 40K watts of energy output.
This system stands on its own without any outside fuel sources needed to make it run. "
To me it looks like he got it self running and producing an excess of 40k Watts. You don't even make sense at all pese you are judging us for thinking it's free energy? Yet it's on your free energy wiki claiming free energy :p.
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i belive , if ZORZI device have 40kw output
it will be "eat" (consume) more (50kW?) from ambient.(in front)
Only this way, this device make an sense to wok
Pese
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Yeah but what is considered "ambient" here. Again I quote;
"It can run 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, rain or shine. It does produce enough torque to power (4) 40kwatt generators."
I don't think you need any special environment to be in for it to work according to him. I'm also completely ignorant about it so far since I have no clue on what principle it even operates only that it uses air pressure. I might dig deeper if it's not too complex.
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Does anybody here know where Kim Zorzi is. I tried telephone, I tried email, nothing at all. Seems that he is lost in "space".
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Information from Peswiki:
August 19, 2008
Kim Zorzi wrote on August 19, 2008 -
"I have built a prototype Air Powered Generator. ....
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So that people must know, whitch is the way to contact him
Pese
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@Pese
I have read this mesage on peswiki.com. But I heard nothing form him after this announcement.
Sounds a little bit cryptical: "So that people must know, whitch is the way to contact him". I don't know what you mean.
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I mean:
Ask the webmaster from Peswiki.
He is the man that hold the contact to Zorzi
And must also connect IF HE PUBLISHED that "News"
Pese
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This sounds kind of interesting (reading the stuff posted on the Peswiki website.
What I get out of it is something like this:
Use a heat pump to remove heat from a volume of Ambient air. Store the heat removed somehow somewhere (Maybe). The COLD dense air can now be rather easily put, moved into or compressed into a tank at relatively low pressure.
The air goes into the tank cold. Even if you were to throw away the heat previously removed, the tank full of cold dense air at low pressure can now be reheated FOR FREE with Ambient heat.
Wala! a tank full of compressed air at ambient temperature and high pressure.
So what to do with the heat previously removed and stored somewhere ?
Whatever you want I suppose. Add it back to the pressurized ambient air to expand it further creating even more pressure or velocity or whatever as it is used to drive an air motor of some sort perhaps.
So does some such setup constitute free energy or could it actually work ? i.e. have the air motor run the heat pump cold air compressor set up.
I'm having a bit of difficulty figuring out why this wouldn't work.
Edit: Well OK, air in a tank under pressure won't actually absorb much heat from the ambient.
If you compress air into a tank it will actually release heat or give up heat to the ambient surroundings... So, unless your heat pump gets the air really really cold and dense - way below ambient, once in the tank it isn't going to heat up much and won't build up much pressure as a consequence. To get the air that cold and dense the heat pump or whatever would have to work quite hard.
On the other hand, there was some guy (Mr. Tripler - 1849 1906) who could chill air down cold enough to liquify then ran his air liquefaction machinery by boiling the liquid air in a steam engine to make more liquid air.
http://books.google.com/books?id=_p9EAQAAIAAJ&lpg=PA406&ots=NyAjFpaC62&dq=liquid%20air%20McClures&pg=PA408#v=onepage&q=liquid%20air%20McClures&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=_p9EAQAAIAAJ&lpg=PA406&ots=NyAjFpaC62&dq=liquid%20air%20McClures&pg=PA408#v=onepage&q=liquid%20air%20McClures&f=false)
So... I'm still not sure I would entirely discount some such similar proposal.
Tripler cooled air down and compressed the cold air to the point of liquefaction then could "boil" the liquid air with ambient heat to run an engine which would make more liquid air. He claimed to be able to make 10 gallons of liquid air by boiling just three gallons of liquid air in his steam engine. Liquid air poured out of his machine like water from a garden hose, easily 50 gallons a day.
This wasn't some pipe dream. Somehow Tripler was making liquid air at little expense and for a time was shipping it all over the country in wooden barrels apparently.