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Gravitator

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2008, 04:50:20 PM »
I noticed that I had a mistake in my thinking in previous post. In this version this mistake is fixed.
At the idea level I think this might work. In real life, who knows.   :D

broli

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2008, 06:05:43 PM »
I speak for myself when I say I understand nothing of your drawing. You have to make it more clear, you refer to things that aren't there or are doubled please be clear if you want others to understand your thinking pattern.

Gravitator

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2008, 06:24:44 AM »
Sorry. I try to explain it in words as actions from start point to end point.
The last post's picture describes the Start point.


1. 100 kg is 200 cm from ground and it is bound to pulley 1
2. 100 kg moves down and turns at the same time pulley 2 to the right
3. pulley two lifts first 40 kg weight up to 95 cm. At this point 100 kg is 152,5 cm from ground
4. 40 kg will be moved (eg. cannon ball will be rolled) on the shelf that is bind to pulley 3.
   Pulley 3 is locked so it wont start to rotate.
5. 100 kg will continue moving down and it start to lift second 40 kg up.
6. when second 40 kg is lifted 95 kg 100 kg is 105 cm from ground. Second weight will be moved
   to same shelf than first one.
7. After this 100 kg lifts the third (last) 40 kg 95 cm up and it will be moved to shelf
8. At this point 100 kg is on the fixed shelf which is 57,5 cm from ground and 120 kg (3x40 kg)
   is lifted on pulley 3 shelf
9. Pulley 3 will be unlock. This make the Pulley 3 (120 kg on it) turn left.
10. Pulley 3 is bind to pulley 4. Pulley 4 is little bit smaller than pulley 1.
11. Pulley 4 turns pulley 1 left. This will lift the 100 kg up. The movement goes like this
     Pulley 3 (120 kg on it) turns left
      -> pulley 3 turns pulley 4 left
         -> pulley 4 turns pulley 1 left. This will lift 100 kg up
         -> pulley 1 turns pulley 2 left. This will make the cable which lifts up 40 kg weights
            go back to ground
12. When 100 kg is back in start point (200 cm from ground) and the cable that lift 40 kg weights is
    at start point the weights will be moved back to ground from pulley 3's shelf.
13. At this point "new shelf" is turned to 80 cm and pulley 3 is locked again.
14. Now the system starts from 1 again.

Gravitator

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2008, 09:48:46 PM »
Hi,

I have been thinking really a lot one comment in this thread: "Any easier ideas welcomed."
In attached picture is one possible solution for this.

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2008, 01:23:53 AM »
Here is a much better water motor.

I think.

http://uk.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=prophet2012

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2008, 11:56:27 AM »
Improved version of the same idea i had in my previous post (too early post :( ).
The idea is keep more weight all the time on other side of wheel. In this picture there is always more
weight on right side. In short the idea is following

1. Think one tire as car tire. Inside this tire there is a "rubber tire" full of water
2. This rubber tire is compressed by an other tire so that there is always more water on the other side of "rubber tire"


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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2008, 01:34:15 PM »
Another very interesting idea.  I like the way you think, Gravitator.

This kind of constant over balance doesn't promote movement though.  Any movement will not help the centre or gravity come closer to a neutral resting point... so it just doesn't move.

However, using rubber and water as you are may give a little chaotic instability that could help somewhat.  It'd be interesting to see this one in the flesh.

Gravitator

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2008, 01:39:46 PM »
I was thinking too that it wont move, it is just standing water. If you divide the "rubber tier" into cells that are connected with
tube, then it might works. Below is a picture where I have added this idea.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2008, 02:03:57 PM by Gravitator »

TinselKoala

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2008, 01:51:45 AM »
This latest idea, I think, maps onto the "sponge wheel" which has been known for a while.

Keep them coming, though, Gravitator. You are thinking along very interesting lines, as Marctwo says.

Gravitator

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2008, 09:30:10 AM »
"Blacksmith blower wheel" idea.

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2008, 06:23:08 PM »
Hi Gravitator,

your lat drwing seems very promising.
It's similar to Kunio Hashimotor power generatin apparatus (US 20050039449).

Best wishes
AlanA

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2008, 07:49:11 PM »
@Gravitator

 You need to take a closer look at Bessler's MT60 and MT61

AlanA

 Welcome to the forum. From another Alan. Great name!  ;D

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2008, 08:43:09 PM »
@ Alan

even thought the post is not for me.
What is Bessler's MT60 and MT61? Where can I find further information?

Thanks for the compliment.

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2008, 03:02:36 AM »
@AlanA

Here is one address http://www.orffyre.com/drawings.html

Follow the line and click the MT

And you can look here at http://www.besslerwheel.com/

Here is another forum as well and other descriptions of Bessler
Bill who has orffyre.com is also a regular there.

There is allot of information out there on how not to do it. LOL But it is well worth reading.

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Re: Energy from gravitation
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2008, 10:51:50 AM »
@ AB Hammer

Interesting ideas. As far as I understand it seems to me that in these ideas all the "blowers"/modules are individual and there
are no connection between modules. The basic idea seems to be moving weight balance within one module and keep the system unstable in
this way. If I compare these ideas to "Blacksmith blower wheel" the main difference is that there are no "pairs of modules" in this
kind of way and the basic idea in "Blacksmith blower wheel" is to move the weight balance over the "whole system", not just in one
module or between pair of modules.

BTW, thank you for the interesting link!


@AlanA


Thank you for your comment and hint to this interesting patent.
It is quite much like "Blacksmith blower wheel" but there are some major differences.
In attach drawing I try to explain these differences against my understanding of "Kunio Hashimotor power generatin apparatus (US 20050039449)".

Best wishes,
Gravitator