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Title: Electrinium
Post by: singerxyz on September 02, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
This was so interesting, I thought it would be good to post- not exactly "Sun" energy, more like Central Sun Energy.
Tell me what you think...
 http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 02, 2008, 12:21:13 PM
 ;D very good and clever from you to suuggest a topic on the electrinium

in electrinium.pdf there is an easy way to produce free energy from the Central Sun

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The body of the Unit could be made from a number of materials such as steel. Silicon, Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage, so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to make.



it's all about catching Super light from black hole, from my point of view, we have talked about this a little bit in the Lee Tseug topic and in the Hutchison Crystal Battery topic

this is a very good explanation, the Central Sun give power to all blacks holes, blacks holes give power to all sun in the galaxy

there is a link on that

 http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html

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SuperLight is described as the opposite and complementary phase to ordinary light. While electromagnetic radiation - visible light is part of its spectrum - has a strong electric and a weaker magnetic component, in magneto-electric radiation the magnetic component outweighs its electric counterpart.
Milewski proposes a model which sees magneto-electric radiation as the source of gravity, emitted by black holes and traveling at the square of the speed of light. SuperLight has a correspondingly shorter wavelength and higher energy content than ordinary light and is the source of the energy of life, which makes for its connection to the area of healing through increased coherence in organisms.
While physics has tended to exclude life and consciousness from its equations we now have - with Milewski's model - a very real possibility to reach unification with meta-physics, generally considered the purview of faith and religion.

.....

Now, I believe a similar event occurs in the extremely dense and hot matter found in black holes. It is theorized that black holes contain magnetic monopoles and when these extremely dense, extremely small, extremely energetic magnetic monopoles release energy by lowering their orbit they radiate magneto?electric radiation, our SuperLight. So black holes really are not so black. They are radiant beings of SuperLight. Of course SuperLight escapes the strong gravitation forces of the black holes because its velocity is the square of the velocity of light and it therefore, can easily escape.
The current scientific thinking is that in the center of every galaxy in the universe is a black hole. There are billions and billions of galaxies all around us, and they all are producing SuperLight. We are literally bathed in a three-dimensional dynamic energy field, or an "Ether" of SuperLight ? a Dynamic Ether.

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and much more at the link
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: devrimogun on September 03, 2008, 04:39:19 PM
The body of the Unit could be made from a number of materials such as steel. Silicon, Germanium, Carbon and others.

Drannom,

I was very interested in this electrinium battery as I think it would definitely work.
Mr. Nelson of rexresearch wrote me that it came from aliens during meditation sessions of some
young people and they tried to replicate but failed.

The problem is they describe a way for fabrication from silicon which is not available to most
researchers. My chemistry contact thought that some important information was carefully hidden.

In your message I just saw the above quoted "could be from steel" and wonder if anybody can describe a
way to make this from steel or carbon or any other material but crystals. As crystals are hard to work with
and very brittle. One crack and your efforts are gone.
 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 07, 2008, 12:27:13 PM
Thank you devrimogun !

In electrinium there is a complex method to do it, there is also a simple method not described well (steel)

i suppose that steel can be overheat at red hot heat, an then cooling down slowly while putting a lot of volts in with a little ampere

each layer of iron-carbon will need a specific voltage to be compressed together, let's suppose there is 100,000 layers of cristallized steel in one milimeter, then the voltage needed will be very high, so it is preferable to crystallize a little piece of steel, let's say 1/10 milimeter for example, then you'll need many thousand volts for each 1/10 milimeter

In electrinium we have to understand the simple way by ourselves

the theory is simple, choose two molecule with different density, and cristallize them together with high voltage, then the two molecule will be nearer than in a natural way, this compressed compound will shine more super light and transform super light in electricity

many things is shinning more super light than chaostic things, every crystal shine more super light than chaostic things, most of them do not transform super light in electricity

secret military device include blue crystal producing a lot of energy (alien device give to military for underground basements, from projectcamelot)

the steel is the simple way to produce an electrinium from my point of view, so simple that we have only to try it

electrinium explan a new way to understand energy cicurlating in the universe, it sounds very accurate to me, the Central Sun theory with the Super Light let every inventor with a theory to fully understand every radiant device

radiant devices can catch Super Light or a consequence of the Super Light in the circulation of energy in the universe

my english is so bad that a can not explain it further

alll we have to do is understand the general principles, and then find out our own way to catch the Super Light

everythings must be simple, cause there is only a Central Sun giving power to all the eather, and alll the universe in only made of eather, then every atoms or molecules consume a lot of energy from the Central Sun, we have to break the equilibrium to catch Super Light

for example a large spark can catch some super light

i know, it is not a pleasure to read my english, sorry

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 14, 2008, 03:51:29 PM
Howdy Y'all,

I have just read the Electrinium.pdf document.  I am familiar with the theory of growing semiconductor silicon crystals having been in the semiconductor industry for several years.  Now I haven't grown the crystals myself, but I understand the theory well.  In the Electrinium.pdf document Mr. Summera describes the theoretical process of "growing" Electrinium very well.  It makes perfect sense to me.  Ultimately you are making molecules of silver and iron.  These molecules are arranged in the finished material so that they are all polarized in the same direction.  This gives the effect of stacking batteries, but at a molecular level.  This results in high voltages at tiny currents.  Then the small, high voltage crystals are paralleled to increase the net current.  So say you produce one that is the size of a AA battery.  Rather than having a single crystal which traverses the length of the cell you have a lot of tiny cells which are paralleled in a matrix inside the cell.  This way we can replicate the voltage and amperage of a 1.5 Volt AA battery cell, but it is composed of something very different inside.  Something which is a permanent battery.

I imagine that the composition of the structure would be similar to an electrolytic capacitor.  Where you have an anode plate with its conductor to the east.  Next you place a thin wafer of the Electrinium.  Then you have the cathode plate with its conductor to the west.  Then there is a dielectric plate to insulate this cathode plate from the next anode plate.  Then the process starts over to add the next cell.  First an anode plate, then the wafer of Electrinium, then the cathode plate, then the dielectric plate, et cetera.  This would require several processes to produce the finished Electrinium batteries.  You would have to fabricate the iron silver molecules in one process and the silicon borozon mixture in another process.  Mix the two solutions together and grow the Electrinium crystals.  Then slice the crystals into appropriate wafers and fabricate the batteries.  Then to activate the batteries you would have to reheat the entire battery to 1200 to 1400 degrees Fahrenheit and apply a direct current to align the silver iron crystals.  When the battery reaches the right temperature, and the crystals align it will start producing current on its own.  Then you can allow the batteries to cool down with a resistive circuit attached to allow the silver iron molecules to retain their alignment.  When the battery is cool, and the silver iron molecules are physically set the battery is permanent and will produce current perpetually.

This is so cool!

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 19, 2008, 07:29:16 AM
Zmonkey

It seems that you know what youre talking about.
If you replicate those electrinium batteries, I will be one your first clients to buy some.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 19, 2008, 05:32:32 PM
I wonder  if  what  the  video  calls electrinium sludge   can be used in some way .

Maybe if it was mixed with something like epoxy and  put between 2  plates  then   a current  could be ran  through it   until it set up to keep the   pairs aligned .     


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 19, 2008, 05:58:12 PM
Howdy Nievesoliveras,

I'll let you know as soon as I synthesize a working battery.  This one is going to take significant capital...

Resonanceman, the problem with the Electrinium sludge is that it is in a semi-fluid state.  Mr. Summera stated in the Electrinium.pdf document that it needs to be in a crystallized state to maintain its form.  When you draw heavy currents out of a battery it will heat up.  I work with printed circuit boards which are made with fiberglass and epoxy.  The trouble with epoxy is that when it gets hot it melts.  If you leave a circuit board in the process to long it will overheat and delaminate, which ruins the circuit board.  The same will happen with a Electrinium sludge epoxy sandwich battery, when you draw too much current it will overheat and destabilize, then you have a dead battery.

A regular silver iron battery will produce Electrinium but it is a byproduct of the chemical reaction which produces the current flow out of the battery, and it is considered waste.  Oh, if they only knew.  This particular battery needs to be built from the molecular level up.  That doesn't mean you have to build it molecule by molecule, but you need and intelligent process where the Electrinium molecules can self-organize.  A crystal growing process will allow that self-organization to happen.  That is what defines a crystal, it is nature's intelligence creating an self-organized structure.  This is why crystals are so fascinating to man.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 19, 2008, 07:01:14 PM
Howdy Nievesoliveras,

I'll let you know as soon as I synthesize a working battery.  This one is going to take significant capital...

Resonanceman, the problem with the Electrinium sludge is that it is in a semi-fluid state.  Mr. Summera stated in the Electrinium.pdf document that it needs to be in a crystallized state to maintain its form.  When you draw heavy currents out of a battery it will heat up.  I work with printed circuit boards which are made with fiberglass and epoxy.  The trouble with epoxy is that when it gets hot it melts.  If you leave a circuit board in the process to long it will overheat and delaminate, which ruins the circuit board.  The same will happen with a Electrician sludge epoxy sandwich battery, when you draw too much current it will overheat and destabilize, then you have a dead battery.


I don't  think that  the  sludge being   in a semi liquid state  is a  big problem .   It can be encapsulated.

I agree that heat  would be  a problem .   
I am not saying that  this  would be the best  way  to make an electrinium battery,  but  it might be a  good proof of concept .
It would also be  cheep 
It seems to me that a  cheep easy  to make  low power battery  might be more practical than  a higher  power  battery that most are not able to make .

I think that an energy solution  that  the  people can make themselves is a better solution than  a similar  solution that  has to be made for them .

As far as the heat .  Making it  flat and thin would  give it  alot of area to dissipate heat .
If that isn't enough,    then  add some current limiting .

gary

Edit
I also like  the  idea of  maybe being able to  use dead batterys  to make  a longer lasting battery .

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 19, 2008, 07:20:09 PM
Z monkey you are quite the expert on that field  :o. If capital is the only problem I'm sure some are more than willing to donate to get it done, because it sounds like you need some lab to do certain things. But the end result makes it worth it.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 19, 2008, 08:11:43 PM
Howdy Y'all,

I wouldn't say that I'm an expert yet.  I haven't built anything yet , I just understand the concepts because I have worked in semiconductors.  Yes capital and financing is a problem at this point.  Do you remember in the news back in June, John McCain wanted to give a $300M grant to someone that could come up with a better automotive battery?  Here is a CNN Link.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/23/campaign.wrap/

Now, if he was sincere, and if that was a grant and not a loan, that would be great incentive to start the Electrinium Battery Company.  But as per Mr. Summera's directive this could not be another monopolistic energy company.  This technology would have to be shared.  Which would mean an open source policy.  Other companies would be encouraged to build the Electrinium Battery.  There would educational kits to teach students of every age the concept of the Electrinium Battery.  Plans would be provided via the Internet so that every DIY guy could make his own.  Then the company itself would make money by manufacturing batteries, and not selling licenses or rights to a patent.  This is a very altruistic business model, but it is necessary if we want to spread free energy far and wide.  All too often in the modern world companies make money selling information and profiting from interest.  These are not legitimate means of earning money and we see the companies that engage in these endeavors paying the price of their bad karma.  A new paradigm in the business world needs to be formed where money is made from good work performed, and information is provided freely (No more secrets).

Broli, as for the prototyping lab there is specific equipment required, but not really a significant amount of equipment required.  We would need smelting pots to melt the silicon borozon mixture and the iron silver mixture.  A high temperature mixer to mix the silicon borozon mixture and the iron silver mixture.  A crystal growing table like they use in semiconductor fabrication houses.  A diamond saw to cut the wafers of Electrinium.  Metal forming equipment for forming the electrodes.  And, last a high temperature kiln to initialize the batteries which has a conveyor running through it so that we could develop an automated process.  All in all we would have to construct an automated battery manufacturing factory, which would be expensive, but the potential business far outweighs the startup cost considering the technologies we are dealing with.

Put a bank of Electrinium batteries in your Tesla Roadster and you would never have to recharge the car, EVER!  Do the same with a Toyota Prius or a Chevy Volt and your will never have to stop at the gas station, EVER!  Cell phones, portable radios, power tools, laptop computers, UPS units, watches, test equipment, handheld GPS, lawn equipment, electric cars, wireless lights, aircraft, spacecraft, satellites, the list goes on and on, everything can use this technology. 

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 19, 2008, 08:35:22 PM
I agree that the implications are huge. We only need a few dozen batteries as proof of concept, the mass production comes later. This project also begs for corporation between many different people each specially skilled in one thing so the project can go smooth. All I can help with is talk and a little money ;D. So how soon can we kick start it?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Sprocket on September 19, 2008, 11:53:55 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere about serious attempts to reproduce what is described in the pdf file, but it couldn't be got to work - or is there actually some physical proof available somewhere that this is more then just a nice idea?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 20, 2008, 12:22:14 AM
Hi!

I stumble last nigh with a pdf that on page 83 starts an explanation on how to build a battery that lasts 70 years.  The important thing that I would like zmonkey to hnow is the formula he uses for the slodge
I mean for the contents inside the battery. It would be great if someone can find those ingredients and do some experiments with them to see if they can form the desired electrinium.

It is here:  http://free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKbook.pdf

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 20, 2008, 12:40:11 AM
You need to be more specific than "somewhere" Sprocket, check this article out;

http://pesn.com/2007/12/06/9500462_ElectriniumBattery/

Seems to me that z monkey is our semi conductor guy, someone with an oven our baker and a crystal grower finally who I believe are a few here.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 20, 2008, 01:56:51 AM
Howdy Y'all,

Broli, we only need a warehouse of industrial equipment...

Sprocket, Electrinium is a real thing, it is already in batteries, just not in the crystallized form.

Nievesoliveras, I am not finding batteries in that *.pdf.

Broli, A regular oven is not going to do this.  Working with crystals is like glass manufacturing.  We'll need a kiln.  To form semiconductor Silicon you basically take sand and Carbon then heat them to 1900 degrees Celsius to release the Oxygen from the Silicon Dioxide.  The remnant is Carbon Dioxide.  Allow it to cool a while and then seed it with silicon crystal.  Then you "pull" the crystal out of the molten mixture.  Usually this is done in two processes, one to purify the silicon, and in another you remelt the silicon and make an ingot, or large crystal.  Not a trivial task.  Not a cheap task.  Here is a product brochure for a silicon ingot growing furnace.

http://www.kayex.com/kx150.asp

The Silicon in the mix is going to provide the structure for the Electrinium (Silver Iron molecules) so that they can hold their form permanently.  Noting that Silicon is one of the most abundant elements on the planet you would think that it would be easier to work with.  When craftsmen work with Silicon Dioxide to make glass they basically melt sand reform it, temper it and let it cool.  When you want pure Silicon it is a much different process.  The Silicon by itself is not going to bond with the Electrinium by itself.  Mr. Summera suggested we could add Borozon to the Silicon to aid in bonding the silicon to the Electrinium.  This is theoretical it would require a significant amount of experimenting to determine if this is actually feasible. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor, albeit worth it if we can get it to work.  This is why it hasn't been done yet.  It is risky and expensive.  The ingot growing machine in the link above is easily $500K, if not more.  So, this little project is a little out of my reach right now.  I would love to try this, just don't have the resources.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 20, 2008, 03:38:30 AM


http://www.kayex.com/kx150.asp

The Silicon in the mix is going to provide the structure for the Electrinium (Silver Iron molecules) so that they can hold their form permanently.  Noting that Silicon is one of the most abundant elements on the planet you would think that it would be easier to work with.  When craftsmen work with Silicon Dioxide to make glass they basically melt sand reform it, temper it and let it cool.  When you want pure Silicon it is a much different process.  The Silicon by itself is not going to bond with the Electrinium by itself.  Mr. Summera suggested we could add Borozon to the Silicon to aid in bonding the silicon to the Electrinium.  This is theoretical it would require a significant amount of experimenting to determine if this is actually feasible. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor, albeit worth it if we can get it to work.  This is why it hasn't been done yet.  It is risky and expensive.  The ingot growing machine in the link above is easily $500K, if not more.  So, this little project is a little out of my reach right now.  I would love to try this, just don't have the resources.

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

One of the  sites  said  that a piece the size  of  a fist  could   produce enough  power to be lethal .

The  machine  in your link mkes 8 inch ingots .    Is there  something  out there  that could be used to make  small ingots  maybe  2 or 3 inches ?


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 20, 2008, 03:56:09 AM
Howdy Resonanceman,

Of course, you can pull a smaller ingot by pulling it faster.  The slower you pull the crystal the wider it gets, so if you pull it faster then it will be thinner.  But that is not relevant because the individual crystals are not aligned until the crystals are activated in the final process.  When the crystal initially comes out of the process its Electrinium molecules are randomized and not conducting.  When the crystal is in this inert state it can be machined into the individual wafers required for manufacturing the batteries.  Then after the batteries are manufactured they go into an activation process where the batteries are reheated to 1200 to 1400 degrees Celsius and current is applied to them in order to align the Electrinium molecules.  After the Electrinium molecules align then the batteries can be cooled with a resistive load attached to retain the alignment of the Electrinium molecules.  After the batteries cool off all the way then the Electrinium molecules are set permanently and will continue conducting on their own.  Mr. Summera was very specific about this process like he had personal experience.  I suspect that this is a suppressed technology that is in use somewhere (secret military, etc.) already and he was involved in this process.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 20, 2008, 04:26:12 AM
Howdy Resonanceman,

Of course, you can pull a smaller ingot by pulling it faster.  The slower you pull the crystal the wider it gets, so if you pull it faster then it will be thinner.  But that is not relevant because the individual crystals are not aligned until the crystals are activated in the final process.  When the crystal initially comes out of the process its Electrinium molecules are randomized and not conducting.  When the crystal is in this inert state it can be machined into the individual wafers required for manufacturing the batteries.  Then after the batteries are manufactured they go into an activation process where the batteries are reheated to 1200 to 1400 degrees Celsius and current is applied to them in order to align the Electrinium molecules.  After the Electrinium molecules align then the batteries can be cooled with a resistive load attached to retain the alignment of the Electrinium molecules.  After the batteries cool off all the way then the Electrinium molecules are set permanently and will continue conducting on their own. 


Z Monkey

Sorry   I might not  have worded  my question  very well .

In my opinion  if you have the equipment to make  8 in  ingots  then  8 in  ingots would be the way to go .

I am asking  if there is  a  way to get around  the large scale  equipment   for  some  test runs .

I am not asking   about what  would  be ideal  for the process .......more like   what  could be used to   prove the concept in a cost effective  way . 
 

Quote

 Mr. Summera was very specific about this process like he had personal experience.  I suspect that this is a suppressed technology that is in use somewhere (secret military, etc.) already and he was involved in this process.

Blessed Be...

I have a feeling that you are right about this .

That kind of worries me .

If one person  or  group  gets the money together to  get the right equipment  to  get this  going .  They would  be  like  a sitting  duck  for whoever   suppressed  this  before.
If it was suppressed once  I see no reason to  believe that there would not be attempts to suppress it again.
 
I think the key to  getting this out into the public is to find  ways to get it done  cheep ...... so  many  can   try it .

gary

 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 20, 2008, 05:25:06 AM
Z-monkey I'm very sure we can think of something to keep it as cheap as possible. Buying an oven would be insane unless you want to mass produce it. Aren't there people on here who already own one or know a company that could do this on demand for a fraction of the price? Surely that would be much cheaper. Even it's only one battery, as long as it does what it says any other company out there wants to get on the bandwagon. Which is fine as long as they respect the open license it has.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 20, 2008, 11:53:24 AM
Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,

Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment.  Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible.  I don't think this will be cheap any way round.  Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort.  The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet.  They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"

We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least.  I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process.  This will not do well to be done by hand.  We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal.  A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO2 Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals.  At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.

For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries.  From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries.  This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.

About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress.  As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that.  As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium.  Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth.  Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries.  This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 20, 2008, 12:01:28 PM
in electrinium it is possible to create a device with many pairs of two molecules of different density, you may get heat instead of electricity

i propose to create micro electrinium, then you'll have to cristallize a little piece of for example iron-carbon (steel) it will not produce a lot of electricity bur will proove the valid concept of electrinium

anything can be crystallize, almost everything, many pairs of compound will destroy themselve if the frequency is not harmonic (by overheat)

create a micro electrinium is like create a little cristallization while putting a lot of volt

tha main principle of electrinium is that you oriented and compressed together two differents atoms or molecules so near that this compressed etheric zone will shine Super Light convert in electricity

ortherwise any crystalized things will shine polarized Super Light , as if it is normal light through a normal crystal

i known, i think i understand it well but still experiment difficulty to tell it
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 20, 2008, 12:27:37 PM
Howdy Drannom,

I agree there are many different atomic combinations that can produce this effect.  I am fixated on the Iron-Silver-Silicon-Borozon combination which Mr. Summera wrote about.  If you think about it this mixture would produce a blue gray crystal.  I am thinking that Mr. Summera has experience in this technology.  Like he said in the Electrinium document this is all based on Tesla's research and Super Light and the possibilities are grand.  Many different technologies are possible and the Electrinium Battery is just a starting point.  But it is a good starting point that is beneficial to the world.  The Electrinium Battery Company could be a starting point to reactivate Tesla's research.  If would could pry the entirety of Tesla's research out of the hands of the US.Gov we could continue the work that he started.  This could continue to produce many wonderful technologies that the world was deprived of nearly 100 years ago...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 20, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
yes blue crystal, like those one in the secret underground basements (from projectcamelot) giving them all power they need to travel underground from one city to an another underground cities !

in the Hutchison topic we have learned (heuuu i have ) that Hutchison began with military diode, military secret technology allow to create diode like a little electrinium (i think)

probably Hutchison read some volts from one of those secret military diode (i think)

then i look to a simple way to cristallize two atoms of differents weight like iron-carbon (steel) in a micro electrinium, of about 1/10 milimeter !

i do not know if will perform it, in electrinium he said that it is very easy with steel and i like what is very easy

we can manage to convert steel electrinium without cutting it in plate, instead we can convert it in heat (short circuit through resistance) ! so easy heat
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 20, 2008, 04:13:24 PM
Zmonkey

Exactly on page 851 of the Pjkbook.pdf There is a formula of the ingredients.  Check it again.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 20, 2008, 05:59:57 PM
Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,

Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment.  Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible.  I don't think this will be cheap any way round.  Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort.  The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet.  They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"

We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least.  I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process.  This will not do well to be done by hand.  We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal.  A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO2 Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals.  At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.

For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries.  From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries.  This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.

About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress.  As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that.  As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium.  Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth.  Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries.  This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

I  think  "scrapyard ingenuity" is the way to go .
Anyone   can  come up  with an answer if they  have unlimited bucks to throw  at the problem .
It takes brains to  come  up with a solution   that requires  few bucks . 


I can't find the exact  drive I was thinking .
This  drive is  similar  and a good starting  point for  explaining  the differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive

In  the  animation on the link  the  output  of the  drive  moves   1 tooth   with an input of 1/2  revolution .   
This is  good   but  as I understand it  red gear is metal and all the  usable  torque has to go  through  the connection.   It is not easy to  transfer  torque through  something  with that much  freedome of movement .

The  drive I was thinking  about  works with the same principle   except  the yellow "wave generator plug"  is replaced by a gear .   The  red  gear is replaced with toothed belt  with teeth on both sides .

The inner  gear  is sized  to  be as large as possible,   with the  outer gear,   the belt and the inner  gear all meshed on one side, there  would  be   just enough room on the  other  side for the  belt to  slip between the  gears.

If the  inner  gear is  driven around  the outer gear by an eccentric  ( a  drive shaft  with  the driving part intentionally  off center )  and the  inner gear is allowed to rotate the  belt  will slowly  rotate .
If  2 or more matching eccentrics  are used to drive the   inner  gear  it  will follow a circular path around the  outer gear  but will not rotate.   The  outer gear with then rotate at  the difference in circumference  of the  gears per  revolution.

I am not  sure how  small they make  drive belts  with  teeth on both  sides . 
I am pretty sure  we can find one small enough to be usable .

As far as the inner and outer gears .  I am sure that they  will have to be custom  made .
With this  design the  force is spead out across many teeth .
Using  a larger  belt spreads the  load even more.
I see no reason  that at least the tooth  part of the inner and outer  gears  could not  be  made of plastic .
I have seen  posts  with  very  nice  looking  plastic parts   made with  homemade CNC machines.
Maybe  one of those people could help with the gears.   

I was thinking that the  outer gear  would   have a metal  disk   attached to the  bottom and it would  be attached to a ball screw .

The  whole thing  could be driven by a stepper motor  .... I  would suggest that  the  drive  be  belt  driven  and geared  down enough that   the stepper motor  runs  at is max speed to  have the  ball screw pulling at the  fasted expected growth rate. 

Another  little detail .    If the  outer  part  of the  outer  gear of the drive was  round  the drive could be  " clamped " in place  during  use  .   ( possibly by air cylinders )   
After a pull  the  drive could be unclamped  and  it would rotate at the speed of the stepper motor  drive .    This  would  allow  the system to be reset for another pull in a short period of time. 


As I see it   oven  would be  fixed near the bottom  of the machine.
It would  have a hole in the top  to pull the crystal through .
There  would  also be a " cooling  chamber "  that rises as  the  crystal is pulled. 
This  cooling chamber  would trap and hold much of the heat escaping  from the oven. 
The  ball  screw and  drives would all  be  above this cooling chamber .  in open air .


If   someone  on this  site  has  a CNC  big enough for  the gears and is willing to help  then  the only parts I can think of that  need machining   are the  eccentrics  and their mounting hardware .  and the metal  disk  that will make up the center of the  outer  disk and connect to the  ball screw.
The  rest  of the  stuff I would classify as basement  tech .    anyone  with  a real desire to  build could  get it done . 

I  am not  including  the  heat  source for the oven  in this  post .   I am assuming   resistance  wire or natural  gas .   but  I have no experience  with either .  so I  will leave the heat to those  that  understand it .


gary

 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 21, 2008, 02:07:19 AM
resonanceman

your link does not resonate at all with this topic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive

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A harmonic drive is an input/output gearing mechanism. It is typically used for gearing reduction, but may also be used to increase rotational speed or for differential gearing. Very high gear reduction ratios are possible in a small volume (100:1 is possible in the space that Planetary gears typically only


are you doing some marketing here for something else ?

what are you doing ? start a topic on that somewhere else!

what is the fuck is this, i do not understand the relation, why read that while studying electrinium ?

there are no gear in any electrinium, so start something else
or go to sleep right now

why shall we look to your link and loose some time, we are suppose to study anything but not gears

are you loose in this forum ? or shall we talk about fuel, or my cats ?






Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 21, 2008, 05:20:06 AM
Howdy Drannom,

Yeah, we do need a gear drive to manufacture Electrinium.  We need a precise geared mechanism to pull the crystal out of the molten mixture in the crucible.  Unlike organic crystals which grow submerged in a salt solution, silicon crystals grow at high temperatures (1900 degrees C) and need to be very precisely pulled out of a molten silicon mixture at precisely the right temperature when it starts to solidify.  If you pull the crystal too quickly it will crack.  You need a constant, persistent, and very precise pull.  This gear mechanism needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the crystal, and also rugged enough to resist the high temperatures of the process.  I think Resonanceman's contribution is valid and useful.  This Electrinium idea is useless as information alone.  We need to be able to manufacture it for it to be useful to mankind...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 21, 2008, 05:34:37 AM
Maybe he was drunk or high  ::). Btw don't local glass formers (if you have a local one at least) have high temperature ovens? Maybe some deal could be done to make this under some personal science project disguise  :P.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 07:14:55 AM
Z Monkey   

How  far  would we need to pull the crystal?

The  way  you  described  the process  needing just the right speed and temperature
I am wondering  if it would work  pulling  it out of a crucible It seems to me that  all the contents  of the crucible would  cool at the same  time  making for a very short pull


How  viscus  is  the melted silicon? 
If it  is pretty viscus  it might be an idea to cast  it into  rods then  have some kind of tube in place of a crucible
The  silicon  would have to be heated  through the tube ......it would be a slow process ..........but  heat would be controllable

We would need  a drive on the bottom  as well as the top .    so we  could accurately  control the speed  and  crystalization process.



As far as heat goes ......I was planning on keeping  the ball screw the  drive and  motor out of the heat .   
I was thinking that  we would need  a  fixed  high temp  oven  section.
We would then need  a larger  " traveling  " box  that would  trap the heat escaping  from the  high temp section 
The temprature  difference  between the  inner  oven and the outer box would  control  the cooling rate for the crystal.
This  box could be  built in sections and telescope

If  we melted  the  silicon in a tube instead  of a crucible   we would need  2 moving  boxes.




I guess that is enough  for now .




gary     
   

 


 




Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 21, 2008, 12:16:15 PM
Maybe he was drunk or high  ::). Btw don't local glass formers (if you have a local one at least) have high temperature ovens? Maybe some deal could be done to make this under some personal science project disguise  :P.

yes, i was drunk and high

sorry resonanceman, in the electrinium there is a gearing system to push or pull the crystal while it is growing, that's right

when i saw some gearing to push a cristallizing crystal in electrinium, i do not care, i forgot, cause i focus on a very little system to cristallize something more simple than the compicated receipe

i have grown many crystals, and i look to a simple way to test the theory of the electrinium, i look for a very short cristallization, (with no gear), just little electrinium crystal with steel, something easy for all to proove the theory

and i am proud of you all trying the complex method, i prefer to test it in a simple way

the wine was red De Noiret, and the high was an homemade vegetable...

sorry resonanceman, in fact i was going to sleep right after my above post
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 21, 2008, 12:31:19 PM
So guys besides the talking where does this bring us now? What can we start that is already possible without needing fancy tools. Maybe at least the collection of the ingredients, the container and/or an electrification setup that would align the molecules.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 21, 2008, 02:23:58 PM
Howdy Y'all,

I wish I was high.  I have been denying my habits for spiritual enlightenment.

Resonanceman, the reason the silicon mixture is pulled and not cast is because you want a crystalline structure to grow.  If you extrude the mixture through a tube is you basically get a glass structure which is almost crystalline instead of a quartz structure which is a real crystal.  The molten silicon is the viscosity of a dense clay.  Imagine when you have seen molten glass being worked.  It is a red hot mass of puddy which is very hard to work.  The crucible would have to be continuously heated and a blast of cool air would allow the top of the mass to begin to solidify, this is where you stick the seed, and begin pulling the cooling crystal out of the crucible.  Electrinium will have a little different characteristics.  There will be iron, silver and borozon in the mixture as well.  This will change the melting point, the melted viscosity, the cooling rate and the pull rate.  All of these variables are unknown at the moment and the precise ratio of elements is also unknown.  We would have to make our best guess, run a batch and test it.  Then do it again and again and again and again....

Drannom's idea about using carbon and iron (steel) to do this is intriguing.  We can go to the hardware store and buy steel, no need to fabricate it.  To activate, and align, the iron carbon molecules we would need to apply a direct current to a piece of steel.  Then heat it up to the point where the molecules are mobile enough to reorient themselves.  When the molecules align they will start to conduct.  Mr. Summera said that when the material starts to conduct current we would need to remove the direct current and attach a load resistor.  The resistor can be attached at the beginning of the process, then when the material starts to conduct then we simply remove the direct current source.  Then allow the material to cool with the load resistor attached.  Once the material is cool then the molecules are set and the steel becomes a permanent battery.

There are also other materials which have the same properties.  You would basically pick and element and find its polar opposite then bond them together in a process.  Some may be easier to work with than the Electrinium.  I am not a chemical engineer so picking those materials is not my area, Drannom may be better at doing that.  I am more of a manufacturing engineer.  I develop processes where we can mass replicate something, usually electronics and electronic products.

Batteries are the cheapest, easiest, most profitable, and least environmentally friendly way of exploiting the phenomena of elemental duality.  They produce electricity for a limited time and then they are used up, have to be recharged and thrown away.  If a little more thought was put into the battery it could be a powerful energy source.  I know why this was not done, Profitability.  Profit ruled the 20th century.  If a company started making batteries that never wore out that would hurt future sales.  This is a very selfish and shortsighted point of view, but I can understand it.  The same thing happened with many manufactured products.  So there is a massive body of information on batteries and we can glean from that body of information everything we need to make permanent batteries...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 02:49:50 PM
Drannon

:)

No offense taken .



So guys besides the talking where does this bring us now? What can we start that is already possible without needing fancy tools. Maybe at least the collection of the ingredients, the container and/or an electrification setup that would align the molecules.

Broli

I  don't know anything about  chemistry ......I will have to  trust  others to that.
I am good at finding   visualizing   and  basic mechanical design .
I am  good at finding ways to  get machines to  do what  it is needed . 




I do  think there is a lot of potential  in Electrinium
I do think  that  a proof of concept  experiment  would  be  very valuable .....even  if it didn't put out much power.



A few general  questions for all.

When they make glass  fibers  for   optical  networking  they   deposit  the  glass in a different form 
I don't remember what they call it  .......but it is white and chalky .       As I understand  there  are  different  impurities  in different parts of  this form.

they then heat  the whole thing up and  it fuses into a clear mass  of glass. 
When they  draw the fibers   the  impurity's  keep  the same  cross section so they can  have  different optical  characteristics   in the core of the fiber than in the outer part.

Can something  like this  be done   when  making   Electrinium?



 Electrinium  requires an electric  current  to align the  molecules  in the final  step .    Is there a way to add  an  electric  current to the  crystallizing  process ? 

 Could  adding   a current flow make   any of the  possible   combination's  materials more practical?



I read  somewhere that if  you  electroplate  layers of different  metals thin enough on the same  object  the coating  will mimic  a solid  alloy
Could  an Electrinium crystal  be  grown in layers like that?


gary




Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 21, 2008, 03:04:57 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

If we align the Electrinium molecules during the crystal growing process then we have a massive activated crystal that we would need to be sliced up to make the wafers for the batteries.  This would be hazardous.  It is better to activate the Electrinium after the batteries have been manufactured.

The electroplating process is intriguing.  You basically build the battery one molecular layer at a time.  Semiconductors are manufactured in this methodology.  Where you start with a silicon substrate and build the circuit from the bottom up one layer at a time...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 03:29:27 PM


Resonanceman, the reason the silicon mixture is pulled and not cast is because you want a crystalline structure to grow.  If you extrude the mixture through a tube is you basically get a glass structure which is almost crystalline instead of a quartz structure which is a real crystal.  The molten silicon is the viscosity of a dense clay. 


Z Monkey

That is  good .   So the  tube Idea could  work.
All the ingredients could  be melted and cast into plugs that fit inside a tube.

The lower section of tube  ( inside the heat box )  would  act as a preheater
A  drive similar to  a harmonic  drive  would  push the plugs  into the  tube at a  certain  speed.

The  tube  would have to extend though the  oven.   
Once the silicon  got hot enough it would   it would leave the oven and  at some point past the oven  cryrstal puling  would start.  ( using a second  harmonic  drive  set at a specific  speed. )

I would  think that  having a heat box  around the oven  and keeping it near  the melting point  would   make the  whole  process  less  critical.   In other words .......the  silicon  would be near melting  point  before it reached the oven ........and  it  would hold the right  temperature      for  pulling  longer than  if  a lower air temp  was  chosen . 


gary



Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 03:49:12 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

If we align the Electrinium molecules during the crystal growing process then we have a massive activated crystal that we would need to be sliced up to make the wafers for the batteries.  This would be hazardous.  It is better to activate the Electrinium after the batteries have been manufactured.


If   the Electrinium can  be activated  during crystal  growth  I would think that we  would have a whole different process.........probably more like an assembly line of  smaller  crystals

Quote

The electroplating process is intriguing.  You basically build the battery one molecular layer at a time.  Semiconductors are manufactured in this methodology.  Where you start with a silicon substrate and build the circuit from the bottom up one layer at a time...




wouldn't  it be great if  it was as simple  as doping  layers of silicon  with the  right  stuff?
It could lead to things like self powered  electronic chips


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 04:18:41 PM
Hi!

For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)

Jesus

This damn thing always says that the size is not correct or that I already sent this post. I will keep trying.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 04:22:31 PM
Hi!

For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 04:24:53 PM
Hi!

For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 04:29:34 PM
Hi!

For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 04:31:19 PM
Hi!

For the people that could not find the appendix page 83, I took some captures from the pdf and pasted them into paint, then converted them into jpg. (The important thhing here is the battery formula this man used)

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 04:36:30 PM
Hi!

That is it!
Maybe they are repeated, but it is not my fault.  The damn machine kept saying or that the graphic was larger than 100kb or that I already had posted it.
So I went back two screens and click reply, then start it all over again and again, till I got the 8 graphics reduced with I_view32 posted.
I do expect that the battery formula from this guy be of help in the pursued electrinium goal.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 07:34:53 PM

I do expect that the battery formula from this guy be of help in the pursued electrinium goal.

Jesus


Jesus

I looked that that  device  quite a  while back .

I stopped looking when I read that it was radioactive.

I just don't  have any desire to play with radioactive  stuff.

I do agree that  the infomation  might be of value 
It  could provide  an idea for a different  combanation of ingredients..
Or maybe someone  will notice  ways that the 2 systems  are parallel


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 21, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
Hi!

I just thought that the formula was great to make a hardened battery with the process of putting a current through it to get the molecules aligned. as the electrinium pdf file says. Not the whole machinem just the formula ingredients. It is my mistake then!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 08:10:24 PM
here  is something that might  be of value with this thing.

WHen  I was reading about  Electrinium  there was something about  a pinching  effect  being   part of the way it worked.
That  idea brought  cold fusion to my mind as it was described as  the  heavy water getting pinched by the palladium.

This  device  looks like  a form of cold  fusion to me . 
If we can find  some common threads  between all  of them we may  be able to pass Go  and collect $200


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 21, 2008, 08:32:29 PM
It is my mistake then!

Jesus

Jesus

This  is a place where  people  share there ideas and opinions  on  different  mostly  energy  related subjects . 

It is my opinion that  the  device  that   you  posted about is  dangerous .......  I am not an expert ...I could be wrong .

Your  opinion  that  the information  might be helpful  might  prove to be right.

You had an opinion and you shared it .......that is good .


No mistakes  were made !!!!!!!!

thanks for  sharing .

:)

gary


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 22, 2008, 04:37:24 AM
Could cadmium  phosphorous and cobalt  be made to produce  a form of electrinium ?

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 22, 2008, 08:04:52 PM
Hi!

The electrinium pdf said that  the electrinium is a residue in the batteries. The batteries are made from different elements and maybe what forms the electrinium is not precisely the components used, but the electricity that pass through the individual components changing their compositions.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 03:51:12 AM
Hi!

The electrinium pdf said that  the electrinium is a residue in the batteries. The batteries are made from different elements and maybe what forms the electrinium is not precisely the components used, but the electricity that pass through the individual components changing their compositions.

Jesus

I believe  Z Monkey  said that the  Electinium in batterys   is  semi  liquid and  can't be used .

I wonder if that can be used  to our advantage  .

If I understand right electrinium  is  pairs  of molecules  of 2 metals 

If one of those  metals  was iron   wouldn't the iron  part of the pair  stick to a strong magnet?

It would seem to me that  a strong enough  magnet  should   hold   the electrinium in pretty good alignment    The question  seems to be  how  much space  should be allowed for  the elecrinium ?
Are the pairs  rigid enough to act like   little ball bearings ?  If so   they  could  simply be clamped
Or are they squishy?   if they are squishy   there would have to be some kind of  spacer to set the right  distance between the  plates .   


Any ideas  on if  this would work ?    or  what other metal to use  besides the iron?


How would  we  make the  electrinium pairs ?
I am guessing   make a battery with the right   metals and  put  a load on it  and  let it run .

   

gary



Edit 

I have a  coil  made  with iron and copper.   The  iron   corrodes  the copper  stays pretty much the same .   So I don.t think   this combination would make any electrinium.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 23, 2008, 05:16:26 AM
Someone who grasps this idea should make some pictures for us dumbos  :D. What I understood so far is that you indeed have these pairs (don't know which has which polarity) in some crystal substance to hold them hard and "fixed" opposed to a regular battery where everything is soft and falls apart.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 23, 2008, 09:50:18 AM
iron is meant to go with carbon, because there is harmonic between them, is you use a wrong pair you'll get an heater device or a self destruction device, an heater is not bad at all !

i suggest to begin with a little mini micro crystal, so you'll need less voltage for each layer

Hutchison have begun with a military diode !!

the voltage while crystallizing could be replace with an electrostatic field (or a magnet) but i do not believe it will work

it is the difference in the density of the two molecules in the pair that gives the potentiel in the battery, so iron can be positive or negative depending of the second molecule used !

it is like doing a compressed zone among the ether, then in this compressed zone there are a flow of super light reflected, the voltage will align the pair and transform super light in electricity,

this is what i believe is true for the iron carbon crystal

anything can be cristallized, even biological proteins can be, so it is for simple steel

i have already state that plate will be much easier to do than a long crystal

with my alum crystal, i had to begin with very little ones at first, i would have never succeed if i was beginnning with a big crystal, never !, we always have to progress step by step

to get only one layer you'll have to put and iron plate or a piece of iron with a piece of carbon (graphit), the contact surface between them will be the molecular layer, to cristallize one layer you do need to preheat before at red, then apply low current with high voltage,

two rods may work !

this is what i think

two rods, one surface in contact with the other, finally it is looking like a super diode !

just cristallized the contact surface of the two rods !
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 06:44:54 PM
i

to get only one layer you'll have to put and iron plate or a piece of iron with a piece of carbon (graphit), the contact surface between them will be the molecular layer, to cristallize one layer you do need to preheat before at red, then apply low current with high voltage,

two rods may work !

this is what i think

two rods, one surface in contact with the other, finally it is looking like a super diode !

just cristallized the contact surface of the two rods !


Drannon

So   a way to make  Iron / carbon  Electrinium  would be to get  an iron rod and a carbon rod
make a jig to hold themend to end and apply some pressure.

Then   apply enough  current to  melt the iron a little at the junction.
Slowly lower  the  current  while  keeping  pressure  on the junction 

It seems clear to me that the pressure  would have to be  just right.
to much and it  will squish out.    to little and  there will be voids.

I think  a tight fitting non conductive tube  around the junction  might  make it much more likely to get it right .

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 23, 2008, 07:51:30 PM
Hi!

I was browsing the site index last night and I saw somewhere that there is a german guy that melt some mineral rocks and make a cristal that gives some volts. I lost the url, because my machine freezed.
If I find it again I will post it.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 23, 2008, 07:56:14 PM
Hi!

Found it:  http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
It is in german though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 11:25:54 PM
Drannon

So   a way to make  Iron / carbon  Electrinium  would be to get  an iron rod and a carbon rod
make a jig to hold themend to end and apply some pressure.

Then   apply enough  current to  melt the iron a little at the junction.
Slowly lower  the  current  while  keeping  pressure  on the junction 

It seems clear to me that the pressure  would have to be  just right.
to much and it  will squish out.    to little and  there will be voids.

I think  a tight fitting non conductive tube  around the junction  might  make it much more likely to get it right .

gary


I made a few crude drawings of how I think this  might work.

This is the basic idea
The blue is a ceramic bead it as a hole through it that is a tight fit with the electrodes
It also has a widened  area in the middle of the hole.

The  carbon and iron electrodes  both  are fitted into copper  stubs.  This is both to lower resistance and  to help transfer  heat  out  when the  current is  melting the  junction.    The idea is to keep the melted  part well  within the   bead. 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
This is  the start of the heating phase .

I am thinking that the  voltage should be ramped up  slowly  shooting for melting the  junction fully in  a few minutes. 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 11:35:58 PM
This is a drawing of  the  powerbead  with the junction fully melted.
I am thinking that it should  be held fully melted for 10 or 15 min then  the  current  should be lowered slowly so that it takes a couple hours to cool
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 23, 2008, 11:49:02 PM
The  finished   powerbead 

The   widened  section  in the  ceramic bead may be a bit exageerated in these drawings.
If it is to wide  the  current may not  align the  molecules  so  it could  end up shorting out  the  junction
I do think it is helpful over all   it  helps   provide maximum  junction diameter.   and  helps to lock the whole thing  together ....     

I  think that the  technology  in the  water arc thread might be helpful ....only we would be using it reversed.   using  LV to  heat the junction then  blasting it with  HV pulses to  shake more molecules into alignment 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 24, 2008, 01:09:58 AM
Hi resonanceman

you are almost perfectly in resonance with the idea of carbon-iron !  in fact you have done a great work ! you have put it further with your imagination, thank you

in this process we may have more than one layer of compound (few hundreds), if the cristallized part is thin enough then we will be able to align molecules with a few hundreds volts

i have just one thing to change

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Then   apply enough  current to  melt the iron a little at the junction.
Slowly lower  the  current  while  keeping  pressure  on the junction 


in my idea i would use a butane torch to heat up the two rods, because it will need a lot of current to melt the rods, with a torch and only a few current with high voltage would be enough

anyway i agree with your idea to melt them with the current

you are very good, that system will allow to make many experiences with many type of rods, and with only few hundreds of cristallized layer

all this theory is base on the statement from the electrinium that is an easy way to do an electrinium with steel, we have to imagine what means : very easy

then if two rods does not work we will have to try with a little piece of steel (iron-carbon), as a complete compound to cristallize while putting high voltage

then anyone will be able to replicate such an easy way if we got a working device

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 01:45:27 AM

 

in my idea i would use a butane torch to heat up the two rods, because it will need a lot of current to melt the rods, with a torch and only a few current with high voltage would be enough


Drannon

Are you talkiing about  preheating  the  rods with a torch ?
I don't see any way to use a torch for the final heating  unless  we throw out  the  ceramic  bead.
Personally I think  the bead is what makes it  practical .


The big questing I have is  how pressure  will  affect  the process .
I drew the  bead  pretty  thick    It  should  be able to  handle  fairly high  pressures if  high pressures helps  the crystal forming process.     
The one thing I am sure that we would have to avoid .      If high  pressures are used  the  carbon  side  would need some kind of  seal .    I think the  semi molten  iron  would seal  the iron  side. (There would  always be  some  semi molten  iron between the  melted and unmelted  parts 
If  the  melted iron would   seep  along  the  carbon  rod it would short the whole thing out.


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you are very good, that system will allow to make many experiences with many type of rods, and with only few hundreds of cristallized layer

all this theory is base on the statement from the electrinium that is an easy way to do an electrinium with steel, we have to imagine what means : very easy

then if two rods does not work we will have to try with a little piece of steel (iron-carbon), as a complete compound to cristallize while putting high voltage

then anyone will be able to replicate such an easy way if we got a working device



I agree that steal could be  tested ......maybe other  combination's  or metals too .   

Any idea  if  aluminium could  be matched  with another  metal ?   

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 24, 2008, 03:37:23 AM
Hi!

I saw in how it's made, how a chain is made, and they used the idea you have of pressing the two parts to be joined together, but without any mold, just pressure and high voltage or current.

*******

In patents online there is a patent that has some recipes to make batteries, the ingredients may be useful by solidifying them somehow. They are not radioactive.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4390605.html

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 24, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
Hi!

Found it:  http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
It is in german though.

Jesus

Hi Jesus

i am pretty sure that this device has been studied in the Crystal Hutchison Cell topic, i remember the name so i may be wrong, if so there is many posts on that there, and much pictures

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I saw in how it's made, how a chain is made, and they used the idea you have of pressing the two parts to be joined together, but without any mold, just pressure and high voltage or current.

heuuu that is wonderfull, thank you, a good clue to confirm the resonanceman idea, the butane torch will not be required anymore hahahah


Hi resonanceman, i know my english is not good enough, i will try to make it clear, to grow any crystal you have to dissolve something into some kind of liquid, in the steel (no liquid) we have to make it red hot to get a free move of the iron atoms and the carbon atoms, it's look like as if they can turn (rotate) on themselves in any direction

from my point of view to cristallize steel we do not need a constant pressure, just a good pressure to melt and match them together, then the pressure must be release for the cooling time, the flow of current will make iron atoms and carbon atoms rotate in the right way, then the cooling let them stay in their position

the two atoms must come near together than in normal cooling process (high voltage), that is creating an overdensity compound among an universe in an equilibrium

so the atoms of iron and the atoms of carbon will get more dense than separatly

so it is not a normal crystallization !! the high voltage will push the 2 atoms much near than it is possible in a normal crystallization

if we let red hot steel cristallize without high voltage, it will crystallize as well, not in the same crystalline structure

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 24, 2008, 10:53:37 AM
Hey Jesus !

thank you for the big pdf file, while seraching for the word '' pyramid '' in it i found the complete Flavio Thomas Tragower plan ! from 2005 ! before the dinsinformation had begin, so it is possible that this file has very specific details on the Thomas's pyramid !!

i hope Nitinnu to see that, shall i try to find the right page among the 1795 pages ! and take it out there to put it in the Thomas's topic, i will read it

i feel that is really good
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 24, 2008, 12:23:38 PM
Hi resonanceman

what about alluminium ?

from electrinium.pdf

Quote
To produce Electrinium Compound two diverse elements must be united and become a compound
which will be of one body, carrying both the positive and the nega t ive forces. The atom that carries
the positive electrical force will be a small atom, of great density and weight. The atom that carries
the negative force would be a larger atom of sparse density and light weight. The only difference
between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical
charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and
their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron,
the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then
the Iron would be the positive.


We have learned in the preceding chapters that Nature produces the
flow of electrical current by the expansion or contraction of the atoms and molecules. A mass of
atoms or molecules that are expanded above normal size becomes a mass of lesser force surrounded
by a mass of greater force. A mass of molecules when compressed to a smaller size becomes a
mass of greater force surrounded by a mass of lesser force. Electrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.
Most of the compounds on Earth are of this nature but the only ones that could be considered
Electrinium Compound would be ones that have the physical properties of allowing them to be
incorporated within a very hard body of good conductivity and aligned in a series electrically. Fo r
instance, wa t e r, H20, is a compound molecule and there is eight times difference in size and weight
in the atoms from which it is produced, but there is no way it could be tightly encased within an
extremely hard body of good conductivity and still be aligned in a series electrically. There are ove r
one hundred elements of the Earth and in time many combinations will be formed and bodies found
for them, but at this time only a few can be considered. One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord. The great violence of some chemical
r e a c t i o n s is really the electrical reaction caused by the vibrations in great discord.
All the elements and the process of manufacture to make an Electrinium Unit must be selected
at one time because each factor is so closely related to all others and must match perfectly to
obtain a working unit.
All of the elements must have a harmonious life vibration. The vibrations
of the positive and negative elements must, when compounded, yield a Compound that will be in
harmony with the life vibrations of the material selected for the body of the Unit. The expansion
contraction factors must be near enough to each other that in the finished Electrinium Unit the
Electrinium molecules are tightly encased. If, in the cooling process, the Electrinium Molecules
contract more than the unit body material leaving the Electrinium molecules loosely held, the
compound must be discarded. In a finished successful unit the Compound molecules will be held
within the Unit like in a straight-jacket. The Unit will be of an extreme hardness and of good to
excellent conductivity. A Unit of poor conductivity will heat and destroy itself.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 05:49:32 PM
Hi resonanceman

what about alluminium ?

from electrinium.pdf


Drannon

I read  your quote 2 times I didn't see anything  directly relating to aluminum.

One thing it brought  up that  indirectly  applies to aluminum  is  thermal  expansion .
Aluminum has a fairly high  expansion rate.   

If  it is desired to  use  2 metals  with very different  expansion factors it may be possible  to  use a "bundle " of  wires or  whiskers if the metal  with the higher melting  point.
The  greater the  difference in  expansion factor the smaller the  wires would have to be.

I remember reading about a lab that  grew whiskers from many kinds  of metals .   I am pretty sure that they would  be  in crystal form .   I didn't bookmark it because at the time I couldn't imagine  any  use for  metal whiskers


Does anyone know  if  both metals  have to be in crystal form?   It would be much easier if  the higher temp  metal didn't  have to be a crystal .



To me this  seems to be  important

Quote

One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord.


Any idea about   how to  be sure that the different  metals are in harmany?


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 06:23:48 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Here is an idea.  Why not use thin sheets of material to form the Electrinium?  Alternate thin sheets (like foil) of iron and silver and then bond them together with a high current pulse, like a spot welder.  Make the electrodes on the spot welder the same shape as the stacks of iron and silver foil, then apply the high current pulse to activate and bond the materials together.  This way the metals themselves hold the form of the battery.  The opposite ends of the battery are the dissimilar metals, iron on the negative side and the silver on the plusitive side.  Then all you have to do is spot weld some electrodes on the ends to make wire connections...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Here is an idea.  Why not use thin sheets of material to form the Electrinium?  Alternate thin sheets (like foil) of iron and silver and then bond them together with a high current pulse, like a spot welder.  Make the electrodes on the spot welder the same shape as the stacks of iron and silver foil, then apply the high current pulse to activate and bond the materials together.  This way the metals themselves hold the form of the battery.  The opposite ends of the battery are the dissimilar metals, iron on the negative side and the silver on the plusitive side.  Then all you have to do is spot weld some electrodes on the ends to make wire connections...

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

It might  be possible ...........but it  wouldn't  be  as easy as you described.

If  simply spot welding  dissimilar  metals  sometimes  made  electinium   I would think  that  it would have been noticed .    I would expect  something  like  the  spot weld corroding  at a different rate than  the base metals .


I would think that  a  HV / LV  thing  like  in  the water arc thread might work .
The  HV could  form  the weld  then  the LV would  delay  the cooling  long enough  for  enough   crystals to form . 
Something  I learned reading  about  nuclear  resonance imaging  is   that  each molecule  responds to  a magnetic field at its own  unique  speed. It seems to me that   the speed  of the  molecules realigning  themselves to the  voltage would have to be taken into account .


If  it could be made to work  a production line  of  small cells would relatively  be easy  to make .


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 07:36:22 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

Like you and Drannom were discussing earlier this can be proven with a single junction.  The idea of using a high current pulse to make the bond then low current to allow crystals to form while slowing the cooling of the bond seems valid.  I think we need to keep Mr. Summera's document in mind.  It seems to be the gospel on this topic.  The crystal is formed with the silicon mixture.  This is why we were going to make a molten mixture, then start the crystallization process with a silicon seed.  The crystal is formed first and then the crystal is later reheated to align the Electrinium.  I don't think two dissimilar metals are going to form a crystal by themselves.  It seems to me that in order to form metal crystals it would require a high temperature annealing process.  Then again I am only an amateur metallurgist, and mainly work with soft metals like lead, tin, silver and copper.  I know a little about iron.  When iron is first refined it is called pig iron, very soft and ductile.  The more you heat it and process it the harder it gets, and ultimately you wind up with crystallized iron which is superhard and brittle but it takes a lot of heat to get to the crystallized point...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 24, 2008, 07:38:14 PM
Hi!

It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!

I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this






The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 24, 2008, 07:43:04 PM
Hi!

It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!

I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this

The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
Hi!

It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!

I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this






The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm

My first impression  when I looked at the picture of the battery is " that is the  ugliest  battery  I have ever seen . " 





The last  sentence on  that link is impressive .
Quote

We have observed that these units decline in power during the first few weeks and months, but after a while they stabilize and do not run down completely. Even continuing dead shorts over several years (4-years is longest test) can not kill these units.


Maybe ugly is good

 ;D

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on September 24, 2008, 08:12:52 PM
The Electrinium document is so obviously a hoax with all the talk of aliens and Tesla.

Points of fact:

1. "Arthur P. Summera" exists only in this document. No trace of him in the real world. Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). Whoever wrote it had a good knowledge of the OU/UFO scene, and may be even someone trying to restart this cult.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on September 24, 2008, 08:13:59 PM
Double post deleted.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 08:32:51 PM
Howdy WizardofMars,

Well, if it is not our resident debunker out to spoil another good theory.  I guess you didn't even read the document.  You apparently do not see the value of building a battery on a molecular level in a rigid container which allows the catalysts to remain aligned without using electrolytes to hasten a reaction.  This document makes perfect sense to me.  I have no doubt that there is a workable product in here.

WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 08:40:51 PM
  It seems to me that in order to form metal crystals it would require a high temperature annealing process. 

I agree .   

I tried to cover this in my plan by maintaining the  junction in a molten form for a few minutes then cooling  it very slowly .   I was thinking  of  a couple hours. ( using 1/4 inch electrodes )
My theory  is  that the  current  it takes to melt the metal  will be enough to  align the  molecules to  the  best  configuation  for  current  flow .   
Then  the current  would be reduced very slowly .
I am counting on the metal getting  solid faster than  the current looses  the ability  to  hold  the molecules in line.
I am not  assuming  that  this would make a " standard " crystal .   
I am not sure that an optimum crystal lattice  would  create maximum  current

I am  assuming that  the  current through  the cell at what you have called  activation  is the key .   
With my plan  activation is  directly connected to  initial  forming of the  junction. 

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 08:52:21 PM
Howdy WizardofMars,

Well, if it is not our resident debunker out to spoil another good theory.  I guess you didn't even read the document.  You apparently do not see the value of building a battery on a molecular level in a rigid container which allows the catalysts to remain aligned without using electrolytes to hasten a reaction.  This document makes perfect sense to me.  I have no doubt that there is a workable product in here.

WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...

Blessed Be...

HHhhhhhmmmm

Z Monkkey

I can  understand   it when  people talk to themselves
I can even  understand it  when  a person occasionally  argues with himself.

I can't  understand why anyone  would  want to talk to someone  that is here only to dump shit on other peoples ideas.

 :D

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 24, 2008, 09:09:05 PM
Can some of you guys who kind of understand this process explain in your own words the chemistry behind this? I know some would be glad to do this, it'll make spreading the message easier if more people understand it exactly. Try to explain as if you would to to you 10 year old kid.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 24, 2008, 09:39:43 PM
Hi!

There is a process done before you use stainless steel plates in an electrolyzer.  The person piles all the plates one over the other and then pass a quick shock of current through the plates.  This aligns the molecules inside the plates and the plates perform better.
The same thing I think do applies to the junction of the two metals.  When you join them by a chock of electricity the molecules become aligned with the direction of current automatically. I could be wrong though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 09:42:09 PM
Can some of you guys who kind of understand this process explain in your own words the chemistry behind this? I know some would be glad to do this, it'll make spreading the message easier if more people understand it exactly. Try to explain as if you would to to you 10 year old kid.

Broli

I would  be happy to if I could .

I do alot of things  kind of  backwards  from most people.
I try  to live what I would call spirit  first.   

I really don't understand.
To be honest I  have only read the  first half of the  PDF on the first post .

To state  what I am doing here in a way  that an average 10 year old could understand .
It  looks to me like  my guardian angels  want me to be here.

I read a little here and  an image or concept pops into my mind.
I understand   these images and  concepts  to be from my higher self.
A new age person  would say I am channeling  this  technology .   

Now .......the  obvious  question is  ......now that I have explained  how I am  getting this information  do I think  anyone  should look at  this information  differently than before ? 
No. ..........  It  should  be taken only as ideas.   
Even though I  believe that it comes from  my higher self,  it  has to come  THROUGH me.   
So there is MUCH  room for error.


gary

     

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 24, 2008, 10:01:15 PM
Hi!

There is a process done before you use stainless steel plates in an electrolyzer.  The person piles all the plates one over the other and then pass a quick shock of current through the plates.  This aligns the molecules inside the plates and the plates perform better.
The same thing I think do applies to the junction of the two metals.  When you join them by a chock of electricity the molecules become aligned with the direction of current automatically. I could be wrong though.

Jesus

Jesus

I am  pretty sure that more heat is needed.
As  I understand it   the metal molecules   have to actually  move into  the right alignment.
Then as  the  metal  cools ( with current flowing through it )   the molecules  get trapped in the configuration  set up by the  current .

One big  quick  jolt  of electricity  like in a spot welder does melt the metal a little. ......but I  don't think that  it heats it enough to allow enough movement of the molecules .
A spot welder  would only  heat the metal  enough  to get it into a plastic  state .   it doesn't have to be fully molten to bond together well . 
I think  that  we  have to actually  get the metal fully melted 


gary


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 10:04:41 PM
Howdy Brodi,

Well, the two elements (iron and silver) represent a duality in nature, like man and woman.  They have opposite charges (sexes).  When they join together the duality is represented in one unit, one entity containing a positive and negative charge, or a male and a female polarity, a marriage of atomic elements.  One side of this marriage is aggressive (emitter) and the other side is receptive (collector).  This creates a polarized single unit which contains both positive and negative charges.

These molecular units form little microscopic batteries.  When we organize these little microscopic batteries into a tidy line they add their voltages up like stacking a bunch of regular batteries.  When we parallel a bunch of the tidy little lines of the little microscopic batteries they add their amperage up.  Together when connected in series parallel these little microscopic batteries can multiply their force so that when you make a big battery out of lots of the little microscopic batteries it is very powerful.  So powerful that a crystal only an inch long could be several thousand volts.

But, the most interesting part about this unique battery is that it has a rigid structure that makes it permanent.  This means that it doesn't wear out.  The electrolyte, or the catalyst, in a normal battery gets used up and makes the battery go dead  In an Electrinium battery there is no electrolyte inside the little microscopic batteries.  With nothing to wear down and be expended by the battery there is nothing to make it fail, ever...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 24, 2008, 11:11:43 PM
So the crystal serves as a frame work holding the charged elements in place? Is the following graphic the correct way to illustrate it then...

(http://ziosproject.com/NJ/eletriniumbat.PNG)

What I don't understand how the flow of electrical current is taking place then.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 24, 2008, 11:21:23 PM
Howdy Broli,

I like your illustration.  It's not quite complete.  You need to complete the circuit.  There should be a resistive pathway between the emiter and the collector of the Electrinium battery.  The electrons will flow out of the emitter (negative) side of the battery, through the resistive load and back into the collector (positive) side of the battery.  Then your loop is complete.  Current can flow and accomplish work...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 25, 2008, 01:26:35 AM
Hi!

Gary
I think you are right.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 25, 2008, 05:37:44 AM
Z I never correctly understood the concept of electric current, it never and still doesn't make sense to me. But if you have such battery then I assume the crystal also acts as an insulator not allowing any electrons to escape to the neighbors or else they'd become neutral. So isn't this then just a permanent capacitor, that is if you connect a wire between both terminals you'd have an electric field in the wire but no current flow.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 25, 2008, 07:04:35 AM


Any idea about   how to  be sure that the different  metals are in harmany?


gary

Second  sentence chaper 7 of the PDF

Quote

The wavelength of each
atom is equal to the time it takes one electron to travel its circumference. The atoms of each element
h ave different wavelengths because the atoms of each element have a different size. These va r i o u s
wavelengths control and produce life as we know it, in a manner very much like producing music.
Each atom is tuned to a certain pitch and will respond when a certain vibration is played.


Now I  understand  what he means be the atoms  being in harmany .
Now I just  have to figure out how to  use the knowledge.


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 25, 2008, 07:11:43 AM
Quote

Each atom is tuned to a certain pitch and will respond when a certain vibration is played.


Could this mean  the  electrinium  pairs  go into resonance?

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 25, 2008, 07:18:49 AM

Could this mean  the  electrinium  pairs  go into resonance?



From the  2nd  paragraph chaper 7

Quote

The wavelength of each molecule will be a combination wavelength composed of
the wavelengths of each atom within the molecule. From the musical standpoint it would not
be a single tone but would be heard as a chord,


It looks like  that is what it  means

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 25, 2008, 07:34:13 AM
Last paragraph chapter 7

Quote

Then man was placed upon the Earth with a conscience of his own that put him in direct contact
with the Director, but he was also given a mind of his own and the right of choice. As long as he
accepted the Central Sun as leader and director the music was in perfect harmony.


Z Monkey

This  guy  didn't  get this information  from any textbook.
He has been talking to his central sun.

:)

gary

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 25, 2008, 01:15:49 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Broli, there is a current flow through from the emitter to the collector through the resistive conductor.  The current flow generates a magnetic field not an electric field.  Electrinium is a permanent battery or current source.  A capacitor is a temporary current storage tank, while the Electrinium is rectifying Super Light and converting it to electric current in the same way a permanent magnet converts Super Light into magnetic current (magnetic flux).

Resonanceman, yes, without the Central Sun there would be no life here.  According to Mr. Summera the energy from the Central Sun 'inflates" and energizes all matter in the entire galaxy.  I have been conversing with Drannom about this for a long time.  You can read back through my posts to find information on Super Light.  The Central Sun provides Super Light which energizes all matter within the galaxy.  Super Light is "dark" energy, which means it is above our perceptual spectrum.  It is the reason for magnetism and electricity, as well as life.  Our Solar Sun converts Super Light in to light, heat, gravity, and electromagnetic radiation.  The elemental mass of the Earth also converts Super Light into other usable energetic phenomena, including gravity.  The Electrinium battery is rectifying Super Light into electric current.  The source of Super Light is infinite so this is why an Electrinium battery can be a permanent battery.  It is not violating the laws of physics, just utilizing information that was not known before.  The Electrinium battery rectifies Super Light into electric current in the same way that a permanent magnet rectifies Super Light into magnetic flux. Whether the source of this information is aliens or divine revelation is irrelevant it is supremely profound nonetheless.  Whoever Mr. Summera really is may never be known.  This document was published pseudo anonymously because, as WizardofMars pointed out, the address on the document is not real, and Aurthur Summera is a ghost or a pen name.  But this information resonates within my soul.  I can see the mechanics of the theories working in my mind as I read the document.  It makes perfect sense.  Also when you understand the theories of the Central Sun and Super Light this is real technology which already exists, yet not in this form yet...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 25, 2008, 02:47:08 PM
in fact i have talked about super light in 5 topics, just look at all my posts to find all my views on that

for example : all black holes are votexes, and the Central Sun give power to them no matter the distance from the center of the universe, cause the Central Sun is not at the center of the universe and give power to all black holes hyperdimensionnally from the celestial plan

for example all electricity is an unbalance in the eather, if you charge a serie of caps and put current at both ends, all the caps in the middle will charge up as well !, so electricity is much more like an eatheric pressure than electrons

is see that in a simple picture where all universes are only vibrating eather receiving constantly the Super Light through their black holes

it means that there is a super super light over the super light, and that super super light is from the Central Sun

and black holes convert the super super light in super light, and our solar sun convert the super light in normal light

breaking the equilibrium in the eather will create a flow of electricity, electrinium device is continually breaking equilibrium by a compressed zone with two atoms or two molecules harmonically tune to convert super light in electricity





Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: broli on September 25, 2008, 03:01:47 PM
As intriguing as the theory sounds. I'm still trying to understand the basic principle. Z, I don't really get what you said since you seemed to have just slapped "Super Light".in there. But if you have charged particles lined up like that, but not allow them to exchange any electrons....then where is the flow of electrons coming from.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 25, 2008, 03:38:52 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Thanks for the explanation Drannom.

Broli, do you understand diode junctions?  You can look at the Electrinium molecules like diode junctions.  The polarity of the molecule allows a voltage across the molecule and the electrons (or ether pressure) is being forced in one direction only.  According to the Electrinium document this voltage is 7 Volts across 1 molecule.  So you can see when you line up a bunch of these molecule the voltages increase fast.  The trade off for the high voltage is current, so there is a relatively feeble current.  This is the reason that we have to parallel the Electrinium crystals to get appreciable power.

The current that is being produced within the Electrinium Battery is supplied by Super Light.  If our Electrinium Battery is represented as a string of diode junctions then it can be viewed as a radio receiver of sorts.  The Central Sun is "transmitting" Super Light and the Electrinium Battery is the "receiver"  where the Super Light is "received" rectified and converted into electric current.  You will need to review the theory of the Central Sun and Super Light.  This theory is covered in the Electrinium.pdf document in the first post of this thread.  Also look at this link...

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html

Maybe this can help you to get a handle on Super Light...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 25, 2008, 03:56:24 PM
Hi!

We are trying to make an electrinium battery. To get the electrinium battery, we need to form some cristals. There is this process that may be useful to understand the crystals we need. May be we can grow the crystals instead of getting them with a metal fusion.

 Kayex Silicon Crystal Growing Process
http://www.kayex.com/silicon-crystal-growing.asp

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 25, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
Howdy Nievesoliveras,

I believe this is where we started...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 25, 2008, 04:07:11 PM
Hi!

The similitude of the electrinium battery with the hutchison battery is tremendous.

One guy did this, and got an almost permanent battery:

"Get a pound of MAP.
MAP stands for "Monoammonium Phosphate". It is a piezoelectric fertilyzer material.
Place some MAP in 2 layers of coffee filters and tie it off. 
Put that into a pot of distilled water and boil it till water is well saturated with MAP.
Pour the liquid into a small SS pan (12cm x 14cm) and evaporate it with a convection oven till a thin coating of MAP crystals is left.
Continue heating it on the stove till the MAP melts and then place aluminum foil on top.
The SS pan is the positive. The aluminum foil is the negative. 
Zap it with about 10kV from a flyback transformer.
Let it shorted out for a few days with a 10k resistor.
You should get over 600 mv every time you check it and a steady 60ua of current.
Them try shorting it with 1k resistor. It should give 600ua at 0.6v.
If you get less than that, then that is the maximum.
Shorting it will increase the output instead of decreasing it. Measure without the resistor.
The ideal dimensions of the ss should be (3.5in L x 2in W)."

This is just fuel for the thought of you good thinkers and experimenters.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 25, 2008, 07:41:56 PM
Hi!

Zmonkey
I did not know. I will keep looking for some answers though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 26, 2008, 06:42:32 AM
I finally   finished  reading the  Electtinium PDF

One thing that has  got me wondering is  why he  chose to explain how to make the  silicon based version.

Quote

The body of the Unit could bc made from a number of materials such as steel, Silicon,
Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit
designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage,
so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to
m a ke. By using the steel as the nega t ive and Gold or Platinum as the positive, to make the
c o m p o u n d the compound becomes the body. All that remains to be done is to shape the body,
harden it and organize the electrical forces in a series.


If  units  with steal bodies would be  easy to make  why not  explain how it is done ?
Making your own  custom  single crystal silicone  structure is not  easy by any means .

because  of  what he said about the  high  voltages I would think that   we would have to make the junction  very thin .

I can see how it might work using  carbon / iron.   but   gold / iron  has me stumped.

He  says that the compound becomes the body .   So  far  I am thinking that the way to do it is to  put a little   gold /steal compound between 2 plates and  heat them up enough to fuse  them together. 

I am not sure if  one of the plates should be gold plated.   



He talks about using  Sodium Cyanide to make the electrolyte.      Would other electrolytes work ?
If I remember right  if you  handle  Sodium Cyanide wrong you can find yourself in  your own self made  gas  chamber .. 


gary 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 26, 2008, 07:01:45 AM
Hi!

We are trying to make an electrinium battery. To get the electrinium battery, we need to form some cristals. There is this process that may be useful to understand the crystals we need. May be we can grow the crystals instead of getting them with a metal fusion.

 Kayex Silicon Crystal Growing Process
http://www.kayex.com/silicon-crystal-growing.asp

Jesus

Jesus

Z Monkey already  had a link to that machine back on reply 15 .

Are you volunteering to buy one so we can get started?
Z monkey  said they  only cost about $500k

 ;D

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 26, 2008, 02:57:20 PM
Hi!

500k is too expensive for me. I am still using win98. That means that I have no money to spend.
But in the meantime we gather the money or the knowledge, what about making one of the earth batteries that are well explained in this pdf: Free_Energy_From_The_Earth_Plans http://www.mediafire.com/?fyxwwy2tqnb

I do expect that you enjoy it while we find an answer for the elctrinium battery!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 26, 2008, 04:37:25 PM
Hi resonanceman

i must admit that you have understand the electrinium better than me

it seems that you are right, the simplest method is not with iron-carbon only !  it needs gold or platinium too !

so it will not be much more difficult to do, just more expensive hahaha

the reason why the simplest method is not explained is the same reason for all masters to give clue to the way we have to work on,

it means that if you can understand the complicated method with iron-silver then it will be a very easy way to do it with iron-carbon and gold, so instead of giving the simple method we have to understand all the electrinium to figure out what it is this very easy way he talked about

and you resonanceman are the first to cross that path, and we will all go to that path with you soon

we will make a micro crystal with those steel-gold or steel-platinium and proove that electrinium has been writting by a real master

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 26, 2008, 04:55:23 PM
Hi!


 what about making one of the earth batteries that are well explained in this pdf: Free_Energy_From_The_Earth_Plans http://www.mediafire.com/?fyxwwy2tqnb



Jesus

Jesus


I have had that PDF for at least a few years.

If you back out one  level to  Other  new battery systems   you  will see topics about  quite a few of the  batterys in that PDF

After  looking into  alot of  different  kinds of batterys I  am no longer interested in  the standard  galvanic   effect.

The Electinium  battery is  a whole  different kind of thing.
It is  a completely  different  approach  .   As it said in the  Electinium PDF    we  would not have learned to make magnets  if  we had not  discovered lodestone.      That makes sense to me.

Making  a battery  that works like a magnet  is worth  some thought.
I am  looking for ways to prove the  concept  without  spending  tons of money .

gary

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 05:18:45 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

Have you ever heard of St. Germain's Trust?  Imagine if you will for a moment that there are people on the Earth who steal all that they can.  They spend their entire lives stealing from good people who live honest lives.  This would be very bad karma for the people who have been stealing, and the people who have been stolen from would be owed something, right?  Well, St. Germain's trust is that money.  The financial meltdown that we are seeing now is the people who have been stealing reaping their bad karma.  What is next?  The people who have been stolen from get their money back.  Well it is not as straight forward as that but I think you get the idea.  The meek, the good people who follow GODs laws, will indeed inherit the Earth.  This means the wealth of the Kingdom of GOD will be given to them.  You don't know it yet, but you are a very wealthy man.  You followed GODs laws, and maintained a karmically sound life, and you have earned a rightful place in the Kingdom of GOD.  You will be able to do anything your heart desires, including developing an Electrinium Battery...

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/st_germain_on_nesara_and_money.htm

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 26, 2008, 05:55:13 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

Have you ever heard of St. Germain's Trust?  Imagine if you will for a moment that there are people on the Earth who steal all that they can.  They spend their entire lives stealing from good people who live honest lives.  This would be very bad karma for the people who have been stealing, and the people who have been stolen from would be owed something, right?  Well, St. Germain's trust is that money.  The financial meltdown that we are seeing now is the people who have been stealing reaping their bad karma.  What is next?  The people who have been stolen from get their money back.  Well it is not as straight forward as that but I think you get the idea.  The meek, the good people who follow GODs laws, will indeed inherit the Earth. 


Z Monkey

I read about   a stash of   gold and  jewels  in Unveled Mysterys    To be honest  it  didn't  make  alot of  sense to me.    St Germain  can  precipitate any riches  he wants.   Why  store them ?

I  have  heard about  Nesara     ..........for  some reason  I  have  avoided  the subject for the most part.   
I will take a look  at that  link  a little later.

Quote

 This means the wealth of the Kingdom of GOD will be given to them.  You don't know it yet, but you are a very wealthy man.  You followed GODs laws, and maintained a karmically sound life, and you have earned a rightful place in the Kingdom of GOD.  You will be able to do anything your heart desires, including developing an Electrinium Battery...



I  was having a little trouble  getting into the  right focus today .   
These  words  of yours  were    exactly what I needed at exactly the right time

Thanks   

 :)

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 26, 2008, 06:32:22 PM
I  often  tend solve problems   kind of backwards from  how other people approach them .

We need  Electrinium compound held tightly in place to  make a battery

Does that mean that we need to make the  compound first?

As  Z Monkey  pointed out  in a previous post .......a  crystal  creates its own organization .

We would need a conductive   base with the right  lattice structure .

We could  then  electroplate  1 layer  of  the  first metal in  our  compound

We would then plate one layer of the  second   metal on  top of the first .



I am not sure  how to  make   the  connections on top of the   layers .

So far my  best guess is to make  a  second    unit with  the 2 metals reversed.   then   flip  it upside down  and  clamp them together.   
A  2 layer  14 V  battery  .........if it works

Of  course   this  sounds  easy .........but  each step would have to be perfect
The  base would have to have  a pretty much  perfect lattice structure.

Plating  unevenly,  to much or  to little  would   cause a failure.

gary

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 26, 2008, 08:02:35 PM
Hi!

In the meantime I find a means for an electrinium, I have been busy finding other different ways to get free energy or OU. So I took the Tesla's switch and disected it to understand it better and this is the result. (Remember my goal is to get at least a 1.5v electrinium battery, or at least one that last a couple of weeks of continuous work.)


Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 26, 2008, 08:33:16 PM
Hi!

In the meantime I find a means for an electrinium, I have been busy finding other different ways to get free energy or OU. So I took the Tesla's switch and disected it to understand it better and this is the result. (Remember my goal is to get at least a 1.5v electrinium battery, or at least one that last a couple of weeks of continuous work.)


Jesus


I am not  sure  what you are trying to do with the  Tesla stitch
Did you notice that   the  negative  terminals on the batterys  have a diode blocking them in the  top  picture ?

I have an idea for a  Tesla switch type of circuit  but it is  all theory
I don't have the money  for the  parts and equipment  to build it right now .


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 09:55:05 PM
Howdy Y'all,

I just submitted the Electrinium Battery to Project 10100.

Project 10100 Thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5649.0/topicseen.html
Google is sponsoring this and they are putting up $10M for the best idea to improve the planet.  I figure that Electrinium is good for that and maybe we can get some research bucks off of it...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 26, 2008, 10:13:22 PM
Jesus why are you overloading us with all your links ?

it is preferable to start a new topic or just go to the right topic

here we are suppose to learn about electrinium

why are you trying to move us in others directions ?

are you too much positive ?

did you know that most of us have already see Tesla Switch ?

there are many topics on tesla switch

yes i have drink some red wine and see you later
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 26, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
Hi!

I am really sorry! It will not happen again.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 11:33:39 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

Have you ever heard of St. Germain's Trust?  .......

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/st_germain_on_nesara_and_money.htm


Wow. You believe in NESARA? I've always wanted to meet someone who did. That explains a lot!

For those unfamiliar with the NESARA conspiracy theory -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA_conspiracy_theory

There is also a great documentary on NESARA believer groups in Utah called 'Waiting For NESARA' which will blow your mind.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 11:35:00 PM

WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...


Nice ad hominem attack Try answering the questions I posed.

1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 26, 2008, 11:40:38 PM
good Jesus

i am happy that you have so much energy to try to show us how much you learn and what you have found, so you are just excited with positive mind, good

the first time i have read electrinium i have to take my english dictionnary many times, i recognize somehow that someone writing in a so beautifull way (how the energy is circulating in the universe) must be a master, all those explanations correlate with my french reasearch, all i knew it was only a master to tells things in this way

the second time i read it, i focus on the iron-silver  and i knew that it was to heavy for me to do such cristallization, only a team can do that silver-iron electrinium, and i wish that it will happen

the third time i read it, i focus only on the simple steel easy way to do an electrinium, if he says that it's easy then it must be easy, cause i believe in all explanations in electrinium, i found that genious

i was not good in english, and i thought that it was only with steel

resonanceman open my eyes, now i am much better in english, and i realise my mistake, steel must be cristallize with platinium or gold !

so i will read the electrinium again ! i might be able to see the whole picture now

now i imagine to melt steel and platinium (heu how find platinium in my house ? how can i recognize what it is platinium or not) in a crucible with a butane torch, then put that at red hot liquid state and mix it to homogenise the steel and the platinium together

then let cristallize a little piece of this mixture while putting a lot of volts, 1/10 milimeter, like a super diode

i know, for example KCl, can cristallize in more than 10 different forms

so the steel-platinium mixture will cristallize differently while putting high volts in it

this is what was in my mind, i hope it will help

see you

 

 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 26, 2008, 11:56:16 PM
hello wizardofmars

my theory is that it is possible that Arthur P. Summera has been erase, eliminated, by the world conspiracy

he possibly let a copy of electrinium at one of his friend in case something happen to him

in fact many inventors has been killed, even Tesla was near to be forget, thanks to internet, he was erase from hystory books !!

wizardofmars, keep your mind open, Illuminatis were very powerfull to cut the wings of some slave chickens trying to step over the gate

so, it is possible that Arthur P. Summera had make electrinium for 50 years as he state

Illuminatis can erase totally someone from the hystory

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 27, 2008, 12:18:06 AM




i know, for example KCl, can cristallize in more than 10 different forms

so the steel-platinium mixture will cristallize differently while putting high volts in it

Jesus

It might  be possible  to  use  powered  steal and  platinum  or  gold.

maybe the  best way for now would be to  make  a  battery  like the  PDF talked about  and  wait  for enough  electrinium compound to form .   that way you know  that they are in exactly the right proportions. 

It is  good to know that  other materials crystallize  differently   with  voltage applied .   
I am pretty sure that  if  it can be done this  way  hitting  it  with the right  voltage for  the right amoun of time is  the key . 

I  keep thinking that  if Iron is   in one of the metals then   a magnetic field probably couldn't hurt .
Anything that  helps  hold the  molecules in alignment  until they are  cool would help .


gary 

 

 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 27, 2008, 12:21:43 AM
Nice ad hominem attack Try answering the questions I posed.

1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?


Howdy WizardofMars,

Your questions are irrelevant.  Who wrote it and where it came from is totally irrelevant.  What matters is the content.  Which you apparently have not read.  I am not going to make an effort to argue with you since I already know the value of the content.  Don't bother us anymore...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 27, 2008, 01:38:48 AM
Hi!

Gary
One of my projects is trying to use a tesla switch as a power supply for a generator.  My main project is to build an electrinium battery. I will have to reread the document a couple of times to fully grasp its contents and the idea anew.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 27, 2008, 01:47:19 AM
Hi!

Drannom
There is a torch called brown gas torch that was shown in youtube. That torch in the video was so good that it fused metal and concrete. The brown gas is made with hho or hydrolisis of water.
If we had the brown gas torch and the metals it would be very easy to fuse one to the other according to the brown gas video. Unfortunately I dont have the link for it, but it can be get by ssearching for "Brown gas" in youtube.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on September 27, 2008, 02:01:07 AM

my theory is that it is possible that Arthur P. Summera has been erase, eliminated, by the world conspiracy

...

in fact many inventors has been killed, even Tesla was near to be forget, thanks to internet, he was erase from hystory books !!

wizardofmars, keep your mind open, Illuminatis were very powerfull to cut the wings of some slave chickens trying to step over the gate

...

Illuminatis can erase totally someone from the hystory



So you believe the Illuminati are involved? Very interesting.

Can you substantiate your claim that Tesla was removed from history books prior to the Internet?

Did the Illuminati overlook the following books which are pre widespread Internet use (~1995 by my reckoning)? Would I be able to find these books in a library or would they have been seized by the Illuminati already?

    * Anderson, Leland I., "Dr. Nikola Tesla (1856–1943)", 2d enl. ed., Minneapolis, Tesla Society. 1956. LCCN /L
    * Auster, Paul, "Moon Palace", 1989. Tells Tesla's story - among other's - within the history of the United States.
    * Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", 1981. ISBN .
    * Childress, David H., "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla," 1993. ISBN
    * Glenn, Jim, "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla," 1994. ISBN
    * O'Neill, John Jacob,"Prodigal Genius," 1944. Paperback reprint 1994, ISBN .
    * Ratzlaff, John and Lee Anderson, "Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography", Ragusan Press, Palo Alto, California, 1979, 237 pages. 
    * Tesla, Nikola, "My Inventions" Parts I through V published in the Electrical Experimenter monthly magazine from February through June, 1919. Part VI published October, 1919. Reprint edition with introductory notes by Ben Johnson, New York: Barnes and Noble,1982, ISBN; also online at "My Inventions", 1919. ISBN
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on September 27, 2008, 02:07:31 AM
Howdy WizardofMars,

Your questions are irrelevant.  Who wrote it and where it came from is totally irrelevant.  What matters is the content.  Which you apparently have not read.  I am not going to make an effort to argue with you since I already know the value of the content.  Don't bother us anymore...


Are you going to ignore my question on NESARA?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 27, 2008, 02:19:41 AM
Wow. You believe in NESARA? I've always wanted to meet someone who did. That explains a lot!

For those unfamiliar with the NESARA conspiracy theory -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA_conspiracy_theory

There is also a great documentary on NESARA believer groups in Utah called 'Waiting For NESARA' which will blow your mind.
Howdy WizardofMars,

You dump on everything else so I am not surprised that you would dump on NESARA also.  Yes I believe in NESARA.  I don't care what you think about it either....

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: ian middleton on September 27, 2008, 02:55:12 AM
G'day all,

@nievesoliveras:  Have you had a look at the "crystal power cell by JH" thread. You may find it interesting.


Cheers

Ian
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 27, 2008, 04:56:07 PM
Hi

@Ian
Yes I have seen the JH batteries. But I have not been able to replicate them.
I dont have the correct procedure and formula.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on September 27, 2008, 11:54:12 PM
Hi guys,

Most of you feel like friends from other threads. No surprise here. ;)

I read all the way through so I wouldn't be duplicating any ideas, and at the very end Jesus mentioned what I wanted say most.

But I would like to expand it a little.

In Gary's plan with the rods that need to be melted together, OR the spot welding, EITHER one could use the Brown's gas to weld or spot welt these non similar metals together so you can see if this is the right track to follow.

Earlier this summer, I enquired about purchasing a welder from one of those companies. Darn,  they never replied.

So, I will be making a small thing that will look like the HHO bubblers for cars only with a welding tip. This will be easy. (I just need to clear some space from other things - crystal battery included!)  ;D  ;D

Gary, maybe you could make one there where you are.
---------
@ Drammon
My other thoughts have to do with your experience with Alum pyramids.

Maybe you could produce a bunch of seeds??

I think you should ask the group about Aluminum again. After all this Crystal Alum Pyramid is made from saturated aqueous solution of potassium aluminum sulphate - Alum- that precipitates by landing on an alum seed and continuing to grow.

And it is the vortex flow of the water solution that seems to do the magic.

Oh, yes, and the heat of a light bulb to keep more alum in solution.

I'd call this low budget and easy. I think this may be a really good place to start.


The other thought/question I have for you Drammon, is would you be able to devise a way to make silicon crystals using sodium silicate?

It is very thick so it would be harder than the water you use for alum.
-------

Zmonkey,

What is it about silicon that makes it hard to make a crystal?

 Nature forms these crystals all the time.

I can't think of a method nature uses to draw out a thread to make a crystal.

Do you know what is required as a minimum?

Nature does have a lot of force and heat from time to time, but this manufacturing process seems way too complicated. I wonder if it is really necessary for this? OR really I wonder what parts are the necessary parts?

I have more questions, but I want to actually read the whole electrinium pdf first.

-----------
Oh one more thing,

I came here to find out what those on this thread found out about electrinium, because I want to start a thread about the thought that keeps burning that the ancients used the baghdad "battery" to make HHO. I am wondering if that unit that was found was really filled with carbon or electrinium and connected as an electrolyzer to make a slow constant process of HHO; so, I am glad I am reading this thread, and may we will once again contribute to each other's ideas and experiments!

thank you all,

jeanna
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 28, 2008, 02:38:13 AM

In Gary's plan with the rods that need to be melted together, OR the spot welding, EITHER one could use the Brown's gas to weld or spot welt these non similar metals together so you can see if this is the right track to follow.


Welcome  jeanna

It is nice to see you here. 

:)

About  melting  the electinium with  HHO   It might save energy and time .
But it might not . 
As  I said in a previous  post  most  of  my basic  plan  was " channeled" 
I  read a little and  picked up images .   I have to try to understand  the images  the best I can .

If  you hit some materials  with a high  voltage it will create  channels for sparks . 
The  channels are  inside the  material so  you can't see the sparks .  but you  have in effect  a multiple spark gap .

I am  thinking that  the  2 metals ( in the electinium compound ) should  form  similar  channels if the  current is high enough . 
I am  greatly  oversimplifying   it . I do think that  it  will form channels .  but  not hollow  channels  that a spark  moves through.
The  current  will find the  path of least resistance .
   
The   Electinium  compound  should  have almost  equal  resistance  throughout .  so  the  current should   choose  millions  of small  paths  from  molecule  to molecule  .
If the electrinium  compound  within those paths   is melted  and the  current  is  lowered slow enough  they should solidify  with the molecules  still in alignment. 

I am now thinking that adding  a  non  conductive powder might  be a good idea.    It would spread out the electrinium compound   and FORCE  the  current into  small streams

I just  got an image  about the  non  conductive  powder .
The  ratio  of   powder to  electriium  compound  would be important. 
There would be several times more powder than electrinium .   
The  channels  would  form  where  the current   would  find a low enough  path through the entire   junction.   
Electrinium  particles  that  were not in  a low resistance path  would in effect be  wasted ...they would  be held out of the circuit  by the  powder

I am thinking that  higher  current  would   create more channels .

I am thinking that  the voltage  applied  and the ratio of non conductive powder to electinium compound  would  at least roughly  set the  final output  voltage.. 
 Another  way to set the output voltage would be the  thickness of the junction

Jeanna
if the channels  are formed easily  then  melting the  mix first might  help .
I am still leaning toward  my  original  plan because  it would be  easy to  duplicate  ...............   or automate 
The  " crucible "  for the process  becomes the  body of the battery.   
The  electrodes  become the contacts .


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I came here to find out what those on this thread found out about electrinium, because I want to start a thread about the thought that keeps burning that the ancients used the baghdad "battery" to make HHO. I am wondering if that unit that was found was really filled with carbon or electrinium and connected as an electrolyzer to make a slow constant process of HHO; so, I am glad I am reading this thread, and may we will once again contribute to each other's ideas and experiments!



I am not  sure if  electinium  will do that ..........but the idea is interesting
I have found that  when an idea keeps popping up in my  head there is usually a reason for it .

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 28, 2008, 03:17:55 AM
Hi!

I am glad that Jeanna joined us. I have seen her efforts in other threads. Specially Earth battery coils.
Welcome!!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on September 28, 2008, 07:30:37 AM
Thank you for the welcome Gary and Jesus,

I am unclear what this electrinium that you are using is. Do you have a consensus about it?

I thought it was the used sludge in a dead battery. (carbon - zinc?)

The crystal battery folks have been shooting high voltage into the cells and getting interesting results.

Especially Ian. He has one or 2 that even grow in "power" over time. Interesting stuff. I have a wimhurst machine, but I haven't zapped any of my cells. My cells are all silicate based.

Anyway, I would like to know what you are thinking this electrinium is. I have been rolling the idea around all summer.

I have been thinking in terms of silicates, but in the earth galvanic battery I had the best result using spent carbon filter granules and a zinc probe. I was thinking I'd get them into a mix with zinc or a galvanized pipe etc...

I just read the part about the actual building of the electrinium cell. He says to be very careful (as zmonkey does) in making the crystal from silicates, then he has you reheat it I think 2 more times. I wonder what the effect on the charges would be if you just made the silicon crystal once and included the other ingredients in it?? and then put the charge with the resistor as it cools.

I really like the idea of the HHO as welding gas to melt the whole thing. If you can weld a rock with this stuff It is the perfect candidate IMHO to use to heat the silicates into a mass to make the.crystal - a portable alchemical furnace.

So, really my first steps will probably be HHO welder.  And, I will keep watching this thread.

I love this kind of thinking, but I can't start for a couple of weeks!!  ;D

thank you,
jeanna

OOPS Drannom, I apologize, I misspelled your name.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 28, 2008, 01:46:58 PM
Zmonkey,
What is it about silicon that makes it hard to make a crystal?
Nature forms these crystals all the time.
jeanna
Howdy Jeanna,

Most of the crystals you find in nature are silicon dioxide, an insulator (glass).  The pretty quartz crystals you see everywhere are silicon dioxide.  These are relatively easily formed, and don't need a perfect crystal form to be useful.  But pure silicon crystals are hardly ever found in nature, when they are found they are never semiconductor quality crystals.  You can find pure silicon in nature, albeit rarely.  In order for the silicon to be useful in electronics in needs to be a very high quality crystal which is totally free from cracks.  A crack breaks the lines of continuity and the conductor pathways are broken, you have open wires, doesn't conduct.  To make the silicon crystal form of the Electrinium Battery extreme care must be taken in the fabrication of the Electrinium Crystals but once they are in their final manufactured form they will be a lot more resilient because of the batteries packaging.  The crystal form is subject to cracking when it is being fabricated, but when it cooled and packaged it is hard as a rock, literally.  I still think the grown crystal form of the Electrinium Battery is going to work the best.  The problem is funding it, something I am working on...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 28, 2008, 03:46:18 PM
Hi!

I built an HHO hydrolizer with pieces of two stainless steel cups I had. The bottle to enclose the cell was plastic and the charger I used to put it to work had a steady 10A of current. I could not get a fluent stream of HHO gas and the bottle melted from the heat generated.
I bought a PWM and used it with another charger at 2A 12V and the Hydrolizer worked a little bit and one capacitor of it blew with a very big sound covering me with pieces of paper and scaring the hell out of me. Now I am stopped.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on September 28, 2008, 09:46:10 PM
@ zmonkey,
thanks. That is a great answer.

I may try the HHO thing just to see, anyway. I saw in a Yull Brown/HHO movie online somewhere, where he changes rocks with the welder and makes the surface get shiny and hard. Since I want it to work, I will see if I can get somewhere on it.

@ Jesus, I think there are lots of threads here at OU on HHO where the participants can help with the build. ( For instance, too much electrolyte makes too much Amperage and too much heat. etc.)

I only mention the HHO welder because I think it is a small and cheap way to possibly achieve this crucible effect with the Silicon and make a crystal.

Thank you,

jeanna
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 28, 2008, 10:49:52 PM


I am unclear what this electrinium that you are using is. Do you have a consensus about it?

I thought it was the used sludge in a dead battery. (carbon - zinc?)


Jeanna
Yes it is  the  sludge  left  behind  after a battery  has been used for a while.

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Chapter 10
THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT
Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery
and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery
need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets
of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side. We will assemble them in a standard
battery form using separators cut to size from and old battery. A five inch square glass refrigerator
jar could be the case. We can compound our electrolyte from distilled water and Sodium Cyanide,
compounded to a density to provide a circuit of conductivity of two and a half volts resistance
reading on the voltmeter mounted within the circuit. This battery can be fabricated very easily at
a very low cost. A few hours of use will produce enough Electrinium Compound to make one or
more Units.


I don't  remember ever seeing a  silver  iron  battery .....

He  talks about how important harmony  is in  chapter 9   but  the  only  electinium  compounds   he mentions in the  PDF are  gold silver  and  platinum  each  pared with iron


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on September 28, 2008, 10:55:23 PM
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...

I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).

I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...

is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 28, 2008, 11:21:10 PM
So you believe the Illuminati are involved? Very interesting.

Can you substantiate your claim that Tesla was removed from history books prior to the Internet?

Did the Illuminati overlook the following books which are pre widespread Internet use (~1995 by my reckoning)? Would I be able to find these books in a library or would they have been seized by the Illuminati already?

    * Anderson, Leland I., "Dr. Nikola Tesla (1856–1943)", 2d enl. ed., Minneapolis, Tesla Society. 1956. LCCN /L
    * Auster, Paul, "Moon Palace", 1989. Tells Tesla's story - among other's - within the history of the United States.
    * Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", 1981. ISBN .
    * Childress, David H., "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla," 1993. ISBN
    * Glenn, Jim, "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla," 1994. ISBN
    * O'Neill, John Jacob,"Prodigal Genius," 1944. Paperback reprint 1994, ISBN .
    * Ratzlaff, John and Lee Anderson, "Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography", Ragusan Press, Palo Alto, California, 1979, 237 pages. 
    * Tesla, Nikola, "My Inventions" Parts I through V published in the Electrical Experimenter monthly magazine from February through June, 1919. Part VI published October, 1919. Reprint edition with introductory notes by Ben Johnson, New York: Barnes and Noble,1982, ISBN; also online at "My Inventions", 1919. ISBN


yes you are right, Tesla was not erased, i read somewhere that Marcony is claiming to be the inventor of radio waves communication in some old hhistory book, in fact it was Tesla !, then many brevet patented from Tesla were used and no one mention that is coming from Tesla, Tesla's invention has been used illegaly, this is what i think and i may be wrong, i read that somewhere

@all

i am about to read the chapiter 9 and it is more wonderfull than ever cause i have a better understanding in english now, i have learned up to now what is the meaning of gravity from electrinium and it is different that the theory in the Super Light link, so which one is the real one gravity theory, my brain will brainstorm on it for a while

@Jesus yes i know all about Brown Gas, one of my friend have it ! but for my purpose i just want to get two metals heat up to a liquid state

anyway i have to finish to reread the electrinium again, hahaha

i am happy to see resonanceman read it cautionnally too

i will come back in few days with my new concept of the steel electrinium

now we have 3 type of electrinium to study, with iron-carbon, with iron-silver, and thanks resonanceman we have a third kind with old silver-iron battery

keep going studying



Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 28, 2008, 11:33:47 PM
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...

I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).

I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...

is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?

hypersoniq

I think it  would be possible ..........but I am no expert .

I tried to  explain my ideas about it  back on reply 105.

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 28, 2008, 11:59:01 PM
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...

I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).

I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...

is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?

well, i do not know, i will let you know if i brainstorms something on that, i can make alum growing between 2 plates, the distance between the 2 plates could be as less as half of a milimeter, and the crystal will spread between them from a little hole at the center on one of those plates

for your question, yess, anything that i can dissolve i will be able to coagulate it again in a cristallization process, so i imagine that i can dissolve in sulfuric acid some metals ?? may be, and then crystallize them together, if i dissolve 2 metals in acid then there will be one of those metal cristallizing before the other one

so, it will be only one metal solve in acid, then i shall try to crystallize this metal, the other metal will be not solvable in acid and this is a problem, and much more complicated to put 10 000 volts on the crystal while growing

i will not go to that way until i got a flash to solve those problems

@ Jeanna


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The other thought/question I have for you Drammon, is would you be able to devise a way to make silicon crystals using sodium silicate?

It is very thick so it would be harder than the water you use for alum.

i do not know

it will work if we can solve it in an acid or whatever, and it will work if it is transparent, cause i need to see what happen while the crystal is growing

in electrinium we have to put a lot of volts while growing the crystal, so i will not look to that way until i got another flash to solve those problems
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2008, 12:34:35 AM
Hi!

@all

Thank you for the counsel!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 29, 2008, 01:01:50 AM
Hi!

@all

Thank you for the counsel!

Jesus


hey jesus, finally there is many electrinium compound ! with silicon or germanian, from silver-iron and iron with many others one

i have finish chap 9 and i have understand everythings up to now, i am excited to try understanding to the end

and Jesus i am very happy that you take the time to read it too, cause it is explan in the way that even a child can understand it, and my skill in english is approximatly that of a child like 9 years old

the electrinium compound become the electrinium unit, and that unit is cut to form electrinium battery

i will look for simple way, just get the electrinium unit, if there is too much volts then it will be not a problem to convert them in heat or whateverelse like some coils and swithching system to create ac electrinium unit

i look to the chap 10 see you
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 29, 2008, 02:01:23 AM

 

I also  doubt  of   high  voltage and high  current can  even be  done while the  crystal  forms .
If   you  have a metal  dissolved  in a fluid  and  apply  electricity,   you  are then electroplating.
The  current  needed for electroplating is MUCH less than we are talking about for aligning  the  molecules .




I  just had a thought .
maybe  a form of high voltage plating could be done by   adding just a very  small amount of  metal to the electrolyte.

 gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2008, 02:25:46 AM
Hi!

@Drannon
Keep positive and you will do it!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 29, 2008, 03:03:51 AM
Hello i have just finish chapter 10

i am sure that i will never try this method, i hope a team can do this in 6 months or more,

 find borozon crystals to add to the iron-silver compound and then melt it with silicon, and grow a crystal, in a furnace !! big job

then reheating this crystal just to realign the iron-silver compound catch inside the crystal with high voltage and a resistance to protect the voltage device in input ! hope to not break the crystal then !!

i have understand perfectly chapter 10 ! thanks god !, and i will never suggest to try this here in this forum, i prefer to focus on many others simple way that is suppose to be as stated earlier in the electrinium.pdf

so here, there is 2 ways

those one with a lot of courage to try the borozon iron-silver silicon coumpound crystal, and try it for a very very longgggg time


and those one looking another way with steel and anything else like gold platinium, and the goal is to create a sort of aligment according to the electrinium theory

so , i will have to imagine the way to do it in the very easy way with the electrinium compound of iron-carbon and platinium

find and old battery of iron-silver will be usefull only for those trying the chapter 10 method

i think we all, have to find what is this very easy way what this means

Summera had explained that a piece of steel can be convert into a magnet with 3 big hit, and two magnets at both ends, i think to hit red hot steel with large spark while cooling will do the cristallisation and the polarization of the coumpound, cause the compound is the body, this is why it is simple, the simplest!!

i think to melt steel with platinium and try many possible ways to turn all the molecules in the right direction with high voltage 

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The body of the Unit could bc made from a number of materials such as steel, Silicon,
Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit
designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage,
so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to
m a ke. By using the steel as the nega t ive and Gold or Platinum as the positive, to make the
c o m p o u n d the compound becomes the body.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 29, 2008, 03:14:06 AM
hi resonanceman

you said

Quote
I am now thinking that adding  a  non  conductive powder might  be a good idea.    It would spread out the electrinium compound   and FORCE  the  current into  small streams

I just  got an image  about the  non  conductive  powder .
The  ratio  of   powder to  electriium  compound  would be important. 
There would be several times more powder than electrinium .   
The  channels  would  form  where  the current   would  find a low enough  path through the entire   junction.   
Electrinium  particles  that  were not in  a low resistance path  would in effect be  wasted ...they would  be held out of the circuit  by the  powder

I am thinking that  higher  current  would   create more channels .

I am thinking that  the voltage  applied  and the ratio of non conductive powder to electinium compound  would  at least roughly  set the  final output  voltage.. 
 Another  way to set the output voltage would be the  thickness of the junction


i think that is a simple way to try, it will be much easier than the chapter 10 method, keep going to channelled such good stuff, even from A. Summera himsefl !

there is a simple way, there is many simple way, even a simple way with the silver-iron compound

the simple way will be a very thin crystal, just to proove the concept

good night, my brain is ready to dream, about the electrinium
see you all, i will read the chapter 11
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on September 29, 2008, 03:19:47 AM
Hi!

I will vote for compound of iron-carbon and platinium. The easier way.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 29, 2008, 03:38:12 AM


Summera had explained that a piece of steel can be convert into a magnet with 3 big hit, and two magnets at both ends, i think to hit red hot steel with large spark while cooling will do the cristallisation and the polarization of the coumpound, cause the compound is the body, this is why it is simple, the simplest!!

i think to melt steel with platinium and try many possible ways to turn all the molecules in the right direction with high voltage 


Drannon     

I think  you migh have something here ..
I never thought of hitting it to help line up the molecules  like they  do in magnets ........but if it works for magnets   it could work for this .....after all we are trying to make something that works  like a magnet .

I  also think that  a magnetic  field  like they use  for making magnets might be of help too .   .

the  temperature   would have to be right ....  to hot  and  the alignment  wouldn't hold .



I see no reason that  we couldn't  heat,  electric  currents,  magnetic fields, and  a few  sharp  thumps all at the same time if  we need to.


As far as melting the  steal and platinum  ......  I am wondering  if it is safer to make a battery and  then use the sludge .     It would be in the exact right  proportions  and  you  would  know for sure that  it was in electrinium pairs.    each molecule would  be  properly matched.        If the  2 metals  are just melted together  I am not so sure that they  will mix well enough that each molecule  will  be properly bonded to its pair.
Any one  have any  experience with how they would mix?

It would be  great if we could count on them mixing  well enough ....... ..simpler is better ......as long as simpler  works.





gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 29, 2008, 03:50:29 AM
Howdy Y'all,

I just submitted the Electrinium Battery to Project 10100.

Project 10100 Thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5649.0/topicseen.html
Google is sponsoring this and they are putting up $10M for the best idea to improve the planet.  I figure that Electrinium is good for that and maybe we can get some research bucks off of it...

Blessed Be...

It would be great  if we could  get a proof of  concept  battery  made before the  deadline.
I think  it has a good chance WITH a working  battery even if the battery is very low power.

I don't think there is much chance of them  giving the money to  someone  with an energy  related idea without  proof that it  works 
It wouldn't be a " safe " choice for them.


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 29, 2008, 04:00:25 AM
Howdy Y'all,

Great accomplishments are never easy...

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to
the moon in this decade and do the other things,
not because they are easy, but because they are
hard, because that goal will serve to organize
and measure the best of our energies and skills,
because that challenge is one that we are willing
to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and
one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

                                -JFK (September 12, 1962)

People often criticize me because I always take the hard path.  Well, habitually taking the hard path makes the mundane things is life seem all the more easy.  If these tasks were easy someone else would have already figured them out.  Someone else would be building Electrinium Batteries right now.  By taking the initiative and doing the research, and the development, and making the investment we will be innovators that can change the world for the better.  That is how I want to be remembered...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: SPP-48 on September 29, 2008, 06:14:11 AM
Hi folks

I have been following this very interesting thread and just wanted to throw this in. I checked out the John Hutchison website http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/John/index.html  where it states :

"I sold a 55 000 volt type made to Japan. It was very well made. The owner is now showing it to audience".
Another type of John's batteries is the Electric Crystal which has been baked from natural minerals. "I like this one - it is so easy to make and the materials are dirt cheap. I have made honeycombs with 1 cc of material in each cell to give more voltage and current. Good ones that I sold for 35 000 USD gave 3 volts and one amp. I have made prototype for a 55 000 volt battery but it blew up. I have it on video."

I have no reason not to believe the claims, so to my mind I think Summera (or whoever it really is) was genuine and there is definitely something here.

Cheers

SPP-48
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on September 29, 2008, 06:27:11 AM


I have no reason not to believe the claims, so to my mind I think Summera (or whoever it really is) was genuine and there is definitely something here.





I think so too.

There  has been talk  of a blue  crystal   that is used  to  power  underground   bases .
I think it was Z Monkey  that said the  crystal  he  describes making  would be blue.

From the  first  part of the   PDF   it is clear that he understands  the  bigger picture and  that it  is wrong to  keep   a  this kind of  thing  away from the people.

If  he  helped  develop   this technology  then  had a hard time living with how it was used  .......an anonymous  PDF would be a great way to leak the information.

gary 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on September 29, 2008, 11:57:39 AM
the blue crystal use by military in underground basements come from Green's interview at projectcamelot, there is not any details interesting more thant that fact

Z_Monkey i agree that a team has to work on the chap 10 method too, and i do not think anyone up to now has figure out what is really the simplest method in the electrinium, it may be many ways, the good student will learn from the master and go on his own way to find it and merit all the free energy, it is simply done to not be understand by the rapid readers

resonanceman, the easy way with steel and platinium can be test with your two rods system, as i have stated before using a rod of steel and a rod of platinium, i was talking about the possibility to try different type of rods

then i will not have to melt the 2 metals, and it will be much simple

so, now i have to find 2 rods, and if nothing happen i will have to cristallize a liquid mixture of steel and platinium

and i am about to read chapter 11

see you

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on September 29, 2008, 12:31:16 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Anyone here seen the Elemental Rods thread or video?  I would assume that these are doing a similar job as the Electrinium.  The video claims that the rods "provides power day and night by a completely unknown means."  The Elemental Rod thread says they source of energy is neutrinos.  Well, in the light of the Super Light theory, it is probably Super Light energizing the Elemental Rods, just as Super Light energizes the Electrinium.  In fact Super Light might have a hand in many Over Unity and Free Energy devices.  Electrinium is just one way to capture Super Light and put it to good use.  As Mr. Summera stated in the Electrinium.pdf document the nut that Tesla cracked with his plasma shield technology has far reaching implications, of which we have only begun to dream of.  Electrinium is a nice start but think of other applications.

John Hutchison's Crystal Power Cell is right there in the same arena as the Electrinium Battery.  Has anyone tried to contact John Hutchison directly.  I'm going to send him an email.  I would like to know his views on the theory of Super Light...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 01, 2008, 07:11:23 AM
Hi Z_Monkey

great, so now we have much to study  :)

elemental rods ! i look forward to understad that !

Hutchison keep his secrets, so do not believe someone like this, he just want money so let him down, he has not a good will,  did you know ?

i think Hutchison do much than only cooking his battery, he may use high voltage like in electrinium

the first time a talked about super light was in my alum pyramid topic, i found this link cause i had learning that in french first

the electrinium was proposed in the Crystal Hutchison topic by DCarlson and the electrinium was severely attacked there, i had to be humiliated there,

in the Tseung Theory the electrinium was attacked, but Topgun like it very much

now i am in the happyness, cause we are about to finish theory and start experiment

possibly platinium can be found already melt with steel in some alliage?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 01, 2008, 12:02:38 PM
@Drannom
Might be possible to use a displacement reaction to get a salt of the metals needed.
Such as adding Iron to copper sulfate, since iron is more reactive than copper it replaces it,
and the copper precipitates out of the solution...
Fe + CuSO4 ----> FeSO4 + Cu

Also,what about crystal growth in a strong permanent magnetic field either as a replacement for OR in addition to the electricity?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Qwert on October 02, 2008, 02:39:06 AM
Hi.
I'm just watching this thread as a layman with only some basic scientific knowledge.
I found this professional service: http://www.bullensemiconductor.com/Contact-Us.cfm  . Certainly there are more alike services.
I think this could ease your work, folks.
With regards,
Marek P.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 02, 2008, 08:04:22 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Found something cool.  I was looking for some information on Tesla's Radiant Power Generator and I came across a very interesting article about Dr. Thomas Henry Moray.  It starts out very strange and I wondered why this has anything to do with Moray.  Then as the article progresses it all makes sense.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm

Basically it describes the manner in which Moray came up with the interesting combination of elements which gives his Radiant Power Receiver life.  As I was reading this I began drawing parallels to Electrinium, the Crystal Power Cell, and the Elemental Rods.  Also this article suggests that there are mineral combinations in nature which produce an electrical equivalent of the lodestone.  The electric lodestone would be a naturally occurring Electrinium.  For years I have been playing with coils, transformers, and LC tank circuits in search of the illusive free energy demon and perhaps I should have been playing with rocks...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 03, 2008, 02:02:41 AM
Hi!

@All

Is there any way to replace the tin in a tin/silver solder, with steel or another metal that can produce the electrinium.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 03, 2008, 02:56:55 AM
Hi!

@All

Is there any way to replace the tin in a tin/silver solder, with steel or another metal that can produce the electrinium.

Jesus

Jesus

I  has thinking  that  solder  might  be a good metal to mess with for a  proof of  concept project the other day ......then  I  thought  about  magnets a little more.    ......  Iron  isn't  hard enough by itself to make a really good magnet ......   I am guessing that  sense we are trying to make something that works  like a magnet only with electricity  we would  need  something that  holds  the  molecules  in  allignment  as tightly  as  a  good magnet material .

It  might be possible to use one  soft metal and one hard metal ......but I am pretty sure that something  hard is needed.

gary

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 03, 2008, 06:23:43 AM
Howdy Y'all,

Found something cool.  I was looking for some information on Tesla's Radiant Power Generator and I came across a very interesting article about Dr. Thomas Henry Moray.  It starts out very strange and I wondered why this has anything to do with Moray.  Then as the article progresses it all makes sense.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm

Basically it describes the manner in which Moray came up with the interesting combination of elements which gives his Radiant Power Receiver life.  As I was reading this I began drawing parallels to Electrinium, the Crystal Power Cell, and the Elemental Rods.  Also this article suggests that there are mineral combinations in nature which produce an electrical equivalent of the lodestone.  The electric lodestone would be a naturally occurring Electrinium.  For years I have been playing with coils, transformers, and LC tank circuits in search of the illusive free energy demon and perhaps I should have been playing with rocks...

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

That was an interesting article .
I am not  sure that it fits  with  electrinium  but it does seem to point to there being more than one  way to  get the job done .


did  you  check out the  links at the  bottom of the page ......havn't read them yet but the top 2 look interesting


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 03, 2008, 09:26:58 PM
Hi!

@Gary

I was following one thread about a horseshoe magnet that produced electricity and I bought the horseshoe magnet that cost me 45 US dollars.
The damn thing did not work at all. I could get only a little bit of volts only when it was wet.
So be careful with the magnets. I am not saying that it may not be possible though. Anything is possible to the one who believes.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 04, 2008, 12:04:38 AM
Hi!

@Gary

I was following one thread about a horseshoe magnet that produced electricity and I bought the horseshoe magnet that cost me 45 US dollars.
The damn thing did not work at all. I could get only a little bit of volts only when it was wet.
So be careful with the magnets. I am not saying that it may not be possible though. Anything is possible to the one who believes.

Jesus

Jesus

sorry to hear that  your magnet  progect didn't work out.

I followed  that thread for a while.   have you  tried  different metals   across the  gap in the horseshoe?       
In a similar  experment  one guy  got   pretty  good voltage  voltage  with  an aluminium   channel  placed over the ends of the magnet.  ( he didn't  use a horseshoe magnet ,   he used  2 strings of smaller  magnets with a  piece of metal to bridge them at the  top  )

I looked for  a horseshoe magnet  when I was watching that thread .......couldn't  find   much of anything.  .

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 04, 2008, 01:57:36 AM
Why bother with steel? It's composed of several elements which can vary in concentration (even from lot to lot of the same grade)...

Do I have the general hypothesis right? trying to make a crystal that is full of free electrons so they can be put in motion by what will most likeley turn out to be steady neutrino-like bombardment (from a star/sun central to our galaxy that releases this energy continuously as opposed to the flow of neutrinos from our own sun that are only detectable during solar flares)? will there be an n and p region to encourage flow in a single direction?

I think I need to refresh my memory on semiconductor theory and THEN re-read the electrinium.pdf...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 04, 2008, 04:32:28 AM
.

Do I have the general hypothesis right? trying to make a crystal that is full of free electrons so they can be put in motion by what will most likeley turn out to be steady neutrino-like bombardment (from a star/sun central to our galaxy that releases this energy continuously as opposed to the flow of neutrinos from our own sun that are only detectable during solar flares)? will there be an n and p region to encourage flow in a single direction?

I think I need to refresh my memory on semiconductor theory and THEN re-read the electrinium.pdf...

Hypersoniq

I think you  have the basics  down .

I am not sure it   will help to study  clasical semiconductor  theory ......I don't think that  this  fits standard theory .

If I remember right  the PDF talked about  positive and negative  .......they  are  relative to the  weight  of the  atoms .

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 04, 2008, 04:49:25 AM
Howdy Resonanceman and Hypersonic,

Yeah, it will help to study the theory of semiconductor fabrication.  Electrinium is a crystalline structure based on silicon, borozon, iron, and silver.  This, that which we are pursuing, the Electrinium, is something sacred.  It is divine in nature.  It is something that is handed down from that which we consider to be GODS.  This is not a happenstance occurrence.  This is directly divine intervention that we cannot ignore.  This is something that we cannot ignore, it must be done.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 04, 2008, 05:46:37 AM
Howdy Resonanceman and Hypersonic,

Yeah, it will help to study the theory of semiconductor fabrication.  Electrinium is a crystalline structure based on silicon, borozon, iron, and silver.  This, that which we are pursuing, the Electrinium, is something sacred.  It is divine in nature.  It is something that is handed down from that which we consider to be GODS.  This is not a happenstance occurrence.  This is directly divine intervention that we cannot ignore.  This is something that we cannot ignore, it must be done.

Blessed Be...


Z Monkey

I hope the  Gods are in a mood to help  get it  done 

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 04, 2008, 07:04:04 AM
Hi!

@Gary

I will try the aluminum.  Do you have any pictures of that?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 04, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
Hi!

@Gary

I will try the aluminum.  Do you have any pictures of that?

Jesus

nievesoliveras

All  that I could find    so far is  a  video .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWF6UJ77vD0
gary

Edit

There is  a mistake on the  video ...... he is  reading  AC and DC volts  with the meters  he says  that  it  goes  up to 1 amp  and then  starts the cycle over again . 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Qwert on October 04, 2008, 06:01:19 PM
Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related
and this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienScientist

with regards, Marek
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 05, 2008, 03:26:18 AM
Hi!

@Gary

I saw that video before and tried to contact the author but I could not.
The questions I had were:
1. How to connect the aluminum to the magnets.
2. How to connect the other side.
Maybe he told it in the video, but I can write and read english, But when it comes to the spoken part I am not that good.

@Qwert
I saw the two videos. The first one was related to the electrinium battery, but the second one, I think that was a little far from our quest. Remember it is just an opinion and I could be totally wrong.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 05, 2008, 04:27:22 AM
Hi!

@Gary

I saw that video before and tried to contact the author but I could not.
The questions I had were:
1. How to connect the aluminum to the magnets.
2. How to connect the other side.
Maybe he told it in the video, but I can write and read english, But when it comes to the spoken part I am not that good.





Jesus

I am  pretty sure he was trying to simulate  a horse shoe  magnet  with   regular magnets .

to simulate  a horse shoe magnet  you  would have to end up  with   a N and an S on the  open  end.

I don't think that  the  bridge between the  strings of magnet matters  very much .   a piece of iron should work .   I think  he used  ball shaped magnets at the  corners and  a regular magnet in between .   

The  Aluminum  piece was from another project .    It happened to  fit  snugly  over the magnets .
The dielectric  he used was a  piece of  paper .    ( from a post it notepad  )

he  also said  he  used  a blob  of  hot glue  to hold  the  legs of the magnets apart  ( on the open side )

I hope  this helps 


gary   
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 05, 2008, 05:25:23 AM
I've read the pdf from the start of the thread and already the page eight has some disturbing claims. "The light has no heat and the heat has no light".

On page ten, "Heat and light are product of electrical energy flowing through a field of resistance." Or this one: "The surface of the sun could be very warm or quite cool, according to the makeup of its atmosphere."

So, now my kerosene lighter is actually an electric generator and there is atmosphere on the sun. Can someone tell me what is the definition of atmosphere? (look it up online, it is quite interesting. The science got it wrong again, according to this "inventor".)

And of course the evil is also identified: "...just beyond Mars lies the remains of Maldeck, an ancient planet that was so consistently evil that the planet was destroyed forever."

Hillarious reading. But I do like the battery. it is a compound of plutoNIUM (as written by the "inventor") and the iron.

And everything is happening under the watchful eye of the Director.

Really hillarious reading. Can't wait for the second book. There's got to be a sequel to this. All the signals are there. I bet the second book will be titled something like "Dude, wherez my plutoNIUM?" or, "The merchant from Maldeck."

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 05, 2008, 05:46:00 AM
I've read the pdf from the start of the thread and already the page eight has some disturbing claims. "The light has no heat and the heat has no light".

On page ten, "Heat and light are product of electrical energy flowing through a field of resistance." Or this one: "The surface of the sun could be very warm or quite cool, according to the makeup of its atmosphere."

So, now my kerosene lighter is actually an electric generator and there is atmosphere on the sun. Can someone tell me what is the definition of atmosphere? (look it up online, it is quite interesting. The science got it wrong again, according to this "inventor".)

And of course the evil is also identified: "...just beyond Mars lies the remains of Maldeck, an ancient planet that was so consistently evil that the planet was destroyed forever."

Hillarious reading. But I do like the battery. it is a compound of plutoNIUM (as written by the "inventor") and the iron.

And everything is happening under the watchful eye of the Director.

Really hillarious reading. Can't wait for the second book. There's got to be a sequel to this. All the signals are there. I bet the second book will be titled something like "Dude, wherez my plutoNIUM?" or, "The merchant from Maldeck."



I see the  trash  has  come to  this thread .

Please  just ignore  him

All he wants  is  to argue and ridicule .

If no one  feeds his need  for  conflict  he  will get board and  go away .


gary 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 05, 2008, 05:55:04 AM
If you read the electrinium document carefully AND objectively, you will find that it is a hypothesis (since even the author didn't attempt an experiment) interjected with personal beliefs.

try reading it again and strip out the interjected beliefs... THINK about what is being proposed...
In a regular battery it is the action of some sort of deposition of one material onto another that creates the flow of electrons, once the process can continue no longer, the battery cell is "dead"...reversing the reaction can re-distribute the components and start the process over again. With this proposed "electrinium" cell, a crystal formation can use some other force that is constantly around us to move the electrons... the crystaline lattice never changes and therefore as long as the force continues, the battery never "dies".

Is it so far fetched? I don't think so. Whatever the "super light/aether/orgone" blah blah is about, in THIS text he is (perhaps unknowingly) referring to neutrinos from the sun and even more powerful ones from a larger star nearer the center of the galaxy. Here's a fun fact...65 billion neutrinos pass THROUGH each square CENTIMETER of the earth (that's facing the sun) every SECOND! And that's just solar neutrinos! Talk about and endless energy source... there you have it. Problem... they pass thru just about everything and anything.

Enter a proposed structure that can deflect/absorb neutrinos... ready for it? Cubic Boron Nitride Nanotubes! NASA is looking at this for protection from "cosmic ray spallation" in manned mars missions. When the author mentions Borazon, I am believing he did his homework!

It's too interesting to dismiss...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 05, 2008, 05:16:30 PM
Hi!

@Gary
Thank You!!
I sent for some electronic parts for a project I have been doing for a long time. In the meantime I will work on the electrinium knowledge and the horseshoe magnet project.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 05, 2008, 06:08:08 PM
Hi!

@Gary
Thank You!!
I sent for some electronic parts for a project I have been doing for a long time. In the meantime I will work on the electrinium knowledge and the horseshoe magnet project.

Jesus



Good luck  Jesus

I  was wondering   about   a related  idea.

I read  a couple days ago that  silicon doides  and germanium diodes will  pass  certain  frequency's  differently . 
I also read that Moreys  swedish  stone  might  have acted  as a rectifier at some frequencys .

I was wondering  if  a string  of magnets  with the right  dielectric  would act as a rectifier  at  a specific  frequency .

I tried   a string of neo's  using  magnetic  tape  from a VCR as the dielectric
No  obvious effects .   I  did  get some  AC readings but not enough  be sure  of anything.
The AC was VERY sensitive to my proximity to the  magnets . 
I don't have the  equipment   to test it at  different power levels or  different  frequencys .


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 05, 2008, 09:22:41 PM
If you have two neomagnets and wedged inbetween them is a piezo crystal would the pressure induce a current?   

 @hypersor

    What is the kinetic energy of the neutrinos?  Are they just drifting or moving right along.  If they are going fast enough they would create displacement currents like in a plazma field.  Maybe these little devils are responsible for a moving aether as suspected by Maxwell and others.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 05, 2008, 09:53:02 PM
some very interesting thoughts have gone into this thread, but i myself have some serious problems with the original .pdf - its contents, and thereby - the theoretical device presented by the author....

The authors understanding of the nature of the atomic structure,  the earth, the sun and the
universe itself are completely innacurate, and incorrect in many ways. 

As for this device, or "unit" -  what he speaks of, is essentally: an Electret, or series of electrets.
  which we already know, do not form into a 'usable battery' in the way proposed by the .pdf
in certain arrangements, electrets can be charged similar to a capacitor, but deplete very rapidly.

someone wasted a great deal of time writing this......
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 05, 2008, 11:17:42 PM
Hi!

@Gary
I made a lot of tests with different materials including a bycicle rubber tube. But only wraping the magnet keeper with an empty pack of aluminum from soda crackers and placing a piece of paper between the horseshoe magnet and a pice of aluminum held in place by the wrapped magnet, I could get 0.15dcv that held for a few seconds and then went down to 0.8vdc and held for few seconds and then went down to 0.02vdc and stayed there.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 06, 2008, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: sparks
What is the kinetic energy of the neutrinos?

Mostly packing a few GeV while the more powerful ones hit the TeV to PeV range! They zip along right below the speed of light.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 06, 2008, 12:19:08 AM

If you have two neomagnets and wedged inbetween them is a piezo crystal would the pressure induce a current?   

 

Sparks

Interesting  idea .
My first thought was that  the only  flow that the  piezo  crystal  would make would be when  it was  first  squeezed  by the magnets .

Then  I remembered that the  piezo effect works  both ways .    The  crystal  would expand and contract   if an  AC  voltage was applied .   
There would  have to  be  a resonant frequency  for  the device . 

This  device would clearly  be  under unity  because  of the AC  voltage needed to drive it.
I don't think it would take much  power  to drive the  device .  It  would probably  require  fairly high  voltage  if a  thick  piezo crystal was used.


Now ....... what  if a tuned  LC circuit was added ?
The  capacitance  of the  magnet and  crystal  would probably  have to be  used as part of the capacitance of the LC circuit .  It  would be ideal if the  capacitance of the  magnet /crystal  was high enough to be  the  primary  capacitance for the LC circuit .
Maybe a  row  of the  devices  would  be a way to  increase the   capacitance  enough.



It is  possible  that  when hit  with  a voltage pulse  BOTH  the  magnet/crystal  and the  LC circuit would  ring for  a  specific  amount of time ......each one  hitting the other  with  positive  reinforcement  at  the right time.   

I  have never heard of  anyone  using  a  magnet / crystal   vibrator   as a capacitor in  an LC  circuit  before. 

There are lots of variables  in making this..... some of them  like  the  resonance of the  magnet / crystal  will change  depending on how  it is  used.      an example .......if a row of the devices  is needed   to reach the  right  capacitance  placing  iron  bars across  the  ends of the magnets would help keep them  working  together .........but would  change the  resonant frequency .


A  little  quirk  of LC circuits that  I don't think has been  exploited before.

A magnetic field  is  created in  the coil  as   the circuit  resonates .
As far as I know this  magnetic  field is   just part  of how it  a coil works ......the actual  magnetic  field is not considered  work
If  a coil  was wound  with  a group of wires and only one  wire was used  for the  required LC inductance   the  magnetic  field  would be induced  through ALL the  wires . 
If   each  winding   was   used for  tuned LC circuits   if one  was  set into resonance  ALL of them  would  be set into resonance . 

I would like to add that a mistake that  I think people tend to make  when trying to use  resonant circuits  with  OU  they try to  tap to much energy.

Resonance is a vibration .   vibrations are easy to dampen.
Assuming  we  got a self sustaining  resonance  at  lets say  100 V    we would  be lucky to be able to tap  a couple of   volts  without  dampening   the  vibration  enough to loose resonance .

My  plan would  be to  wind a coil  with  8 or 10 parallel  wires  then using 1 wire for  output .


gary   




Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 06, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
some very interesting thoughts have gone into this thread, but i myself have some serious problems with the original .pdf - its contents, and thereby - the theoretical device presented by the author....

The authors understanding of the nature of the atomic structure,  the earth, the sun and the
universe itself are completely innacurate, and incorrect in many ways. 

As for this device, or "unit" -  what he speaks of, is essentally: an Electret, or series of electrets.
  which we already know, do not form into a 'usable battery' in the way proposed by the .pdf
in certain arrangements, electrets can be charged similar to a capacitor, but deplete very rapidly.

someone wasted a great deal of time writing this......

sm0ky

Are you assuming that  what you  know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things? 
Is there any possibility   that  what you were taught  about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?

One of the things that  I like about the " theorys " in the PDF is that they  strongly imply  the unity  of all .   
I have found  in my own life that there is an invisable  connection  between all things .   
Much of  humanitys  problems  are because  in general  we don't  believe in that connection.


 gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on October 06, 2008, 06:30:58 PM
@Gary: although I appreciate your conviction that there is
somehow a hidden "unity", an invisible connection as you call it,
that does not change the fact that the Electrinium pdf is
very shakey at best.

But I've been saying so for ages and have been taking flak for that
from Drannom ever since I dared to point out the discrepancies
in the pdf instead of declaring it the biggest breakthrough since
the invention of fire like he has been doing...
So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.

Just a quick recap of my opinion of mr Summera's theory:
Even is you leave his view of the solar system aside, his story
about the Electrinium unit is inconsistent, and despite his claims
of how simple it would be to build one, his final proposed prototype
is suddenly quite complex and not at all the simple unit he claimed
is possible, and even more remarkable is that it seems he was quite
far in the development and production of this protoype, yet in the
30 years since his device has never surfaced or even been rumoured
about... which does seem to imply that it was either never built,
or it was built but didn't work.
And to be honest, the latter would not surprise me at all, seeing that
mr Summera appears to have a had a view of atoms and their interactions
that simply does not accord with the extensive knowledge of atoms
and their QED interactions as science has refined it in the past decades.
Mr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.
Mr. Summera also seems to think that adding dopant to a conductor,
thereby producing zones in the bulk material that are relatively 'positively'
and 'negatively' polarised, will automatically (or if you prefer 'naturally')
cause any charges inside the conductor to flow along that bias path.
Although that does work in np-junctions in semiconductors, in conductors
it is a different story. There's a reason why we use semiconductors for diodes:
you can get semiconductor diodes to work on purely pn dopant differences,
but with non-semiconductors that's different.
And like I said, that's if we only look at the actual Electrinium part of the story.

It is good that a seperate Electrinium thread has been started,
at least that keeps this Electrinium crap out of our Crystal Cell thread.
;)

Hope I haven't annoyed anyone too much... ;)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 06, 2008, 07:18:20 PM
@Gary: although I appreciate your conviction that there is
somehow a hidden "unity", an invisible connection as you call it,
that does not change the fact that the Electrinium pdf is
very shakey at best.

But I've been saying so for ages and have been taking flak for that
from Drannom ever since I dared to point out the discrepancies
in the pdf instead of declaring it the biggest breakthrough since
the invention of fire like he has been doing...
So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.

Just a quick recap of my opinion of mr Summera's theory:
Even is you leave his view of the solar system aside, his story
about the Electrinium unit is inconsistent, and despite his claims
of how simple it would be to build one, his final proposed prototype
is suddenly quite complex and not at all the simple unit he claimed
is possible, and even more remarkable is that it seems he was quite
far in the development and production of this protoype, yet in the
30 years since his device has never surfaced or even been rumoured
about... which does seem to imply that it was either never built,
or it was built but didn't work.
And to be honest, the latter would not surprise me at all, seeing that
mr Summera appears to have a had a view of atoms and their interactions
that simply does not accord with the extensive knowledge of atoms
and their QED interactions as science has refined it in the past decades.
Mr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.
Mr. Summera also seems to think that adding dopant to a conductor,
thereby producing zones in the bulk material that are relatively 'positively'
and 'negatively' polarised, will automatically (or if you prefer 'naturally')
cause any charges inside the conductor to flow along that bias path.
Although that does work in np-junctions in semiconductors, in conductors
it is a different story. There's a reason why we use semiconductors for diodes:
you can get semiconductor diodes to work on purely pn dopant differences,
but with non-semiconductors that's different.
And like I said, that's if we only look at the actual Electrinium part of the story.

It is good that a seperate Electrinium thread has been started,
at least that keeps this Electrinium crap out of our Crystal Cell thread.
;)

Hope I haven't annoyed anyone too much... ;)

Koen

I would like to ask you  the same questions that I asked smOkey.

Are you assuming that  what you  know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things?
Is there any possibility   that  what you were taught  about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?

With millions of so called   educated  people in the world  we have made very little progress in any technology  relating to energy .
Other technologies  grow in leaps and bounds.
Why haven't  we made any  real progress ? 
Could  it be that  our schools teach us more about how to avoid OU than   how to find it ?

It seems to me that   anyone  can  find  a way to punch a hole in a theory.
It takes no  wisdom to criticize   people .

This site is  about  finding  better ways to  get energy .   
Listing ways  it can't be  done is not helping  anyone.

If you are as wise  as you seem to think you are .   Why don't  you spend  your time  finding things that  might  work.

I do  agree that the laws of physics apply  . But all so called laws  have loopholes,   have you found any of them yet?
You know  the laws  better than I do .    You should  be able to  spot the loopholes easier than I can. 

Well .....  I guess that depends on  if you  are really even looking.
Maybe   you  just  enjoy  criticizing .
 

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 06, 2008, 08:28:41 PM
  @resonanceman   

    This is off topic but if a resonant circuit is used that has a motor for an inductor and an electrostatic coupling to two plates plus the normal capacitor (see below)
would this get us some extra energy out while the circuit is ringing without excessive dampning?  The circuit conductors between the cap and the plate forming a plate themselves in electrostatic induction?
       
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on October 06, 2008, 08:33:43 PM
And so must you, as you have already criticised two people in an identical manner.

Pot calling kettle black sort of thing? ;)

Besides, criticism is not always a bad thing, as you seem to think.
But seriously, I don't spend my time looking for things to criticise.

It's just that I have been working on Crystal Cells for years now,
and every now and then someone rocks up waving the Electrinium paper
and shouting that we should just follow the preachings of Summera...
And none of those people so far have shown to have any solid knowledge
or understanding of material physics at all...
The last of these, a guy calling himself Drannom, actually managed to
turn it into a sort of flame war, and that got me a bit fired up.
So whenever I see people discussing the Elecrinium thing very superficially
and see the same type of dedication to the Electrinium theory that
is based on preference to believe instead of on logical understanding of
physics, it rekindles the fire somewhat. And I feel I need to give my
opinion.

Apparently sharing your honest opinion is not appreciated by many if the
opinion is even slightly critical. Well, that's a pity.

Can we, by the way, bounce your questions back at you? I think we can.

Do you believe you are the keeper of wisdom?
Do you have all the truth bundled in a book?
Are you certain, to take an example from Summera's theory, that there is a
Galactic Central Sun Black Hole which emits AC radiation, which in turn
gets transfomed mysteriously into DC radiation by our sun, and the interaction
of the two produces gravity?
For I have tried and can't seem to find any gravitational variations in such a setup.
Are you certain, to take another example from Summera, that atoms are exactly like
our solar system? If so, then where is the elliptic in a given atom? Oh, right,
there isn't one, because subatomic particles unlike planets circle in three dimensional
orbits and not in mostly 2D ellipticals.
Do you honestly believe Summera is correct in those points?

Or are you just criticising my valid criticism because you like to claim some sort
of moral high ground or something?

Well, whatever it is, let's not bicker over this silly theory, ok?
Unless of course you truly believe in the Elecrinium theory, in which case
I apologise for possibly insulting your beliefs, and in such case I shall
attempt to refrain from disturbing your thread in the future.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 07, 2008, 12:08:09 AM



Well, whatever it is, let's not bicker over this silly theory, ok?
Unless of course you truly believe in the Elecrinium theory, in which case
I apologise for possibly insulting your beliefs, and in such case I shall
attempt to refrain from disturbing your thread in the future.



So I'll stay out of this thread as I have very little positive to say
about the pdf and mr Summera's theory.


Koen

You have said  twice now that    you  will  stay off this  thread.

Please  do  as you say  you  will do.


As far as answering   your  questions .......  I  would have  taken  the time to answer them  if you had taken the time to answer mine.       

We  are  trying to  have a conversation about Electrinium here.
Maybe  we have no chance of  success .......maybe  we do . It is not  your call.
It is not  your place to  try to  disrupt  the  conversation here.
You have stated that  you have talked to people about  electrinium  before  so you know what  to expect ...........so why did you come here other than to  trash the  thread ?

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 07, 2008, 12:21:26 AM
  @resonanceman   

    This is off topic but if a resonant circuit is used that has a motor for an inductor and an electrostatic coupling to two plates plus the normal capacitor (see below)
would this get us some extra energy out while the circuit is ringing without excessive dampning?  The circuit conductors between the cap and the plate forming a plate themselves in electrostatic induction?
       


Sparks
Did  you intend to attach a schematic    it says  see below .........I don;t see anything below .
What is the purpose  of the 2 plates ?
Are  you talking about  a Grey motor ?

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 07, 2008, 02:23:00 AM
Sorry Rman ,   Site keeps on telling me I can't write to the upload file.

   My idea was to set up an Lc network but use a Tesla cap/coil in series on each leg between the inductor and the main cap.  As the main circuit oscillates these thrucurrrent capacitors should alternately charge and discharge without dampening the oscillator.  The electrostatic field produced between these two caps would be interesting to monitor.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 07, 2008, 04:39:20 AM
Sorry Rman ,   Site keeps on telling me I can't write to the upload file.

   My idea was to set up an Lc network but use a Tesla cap/coil in series on each leg between the inductor and the main cap.  As the main circuit oscillates these thrucurrrent capacitors should alternately charge and discharge without dampening the oscillator.  The electrostatic field produced between these two caps would be interesting to monitor.

Sparks

I am not sure  that I am understanding you  yet.

I don't  have much  formal  training ...... Most of what  I know  is from reading sites like this 
So far  my  idea of  what  you are trying to  describe   is using  an LC circuit  feeding into  HV  caps driving 2 Tesla  secondarys 

Is that close  ?

The  voltage of the caps  and  the  Tesla  secondarys  would be interesting .
I am assuming  that  unlike  a  conventional  Tesla  coil  the secondary  would  be  directly connected  and  tuned to the same frequency . as  the driving   circuit .

I would think that  the   coil for the LC circuit  would be  very large .

As  I understand it  one of the main  problems  of making a very high power Tesla  coil  is  the  loose  coupling   between the  primary  and secondary .   This  would  get past that .     It could  handle  as much  power  as  your LC circuit  could take  without oveheating . . ...  assuming   you  don't  blow your caps . 

I am thinking  this might  be something like a Tesla multiplier .

gary   

Edit

One thing that might  hurt  the overall output ..........the  2 tesla secondary's would be  out of  180 out of  phase .......  any  voltage induced in the opposite  coil   would be destructive interference .
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 07, 2008, 12:03:58 PM
As to the molecular structure of the crystal...

What goes into growing a piezo crystal?

I think I can see thru the fog a bit clearer now... Crystal structutre that has the piezoelectric effect
stored in a hard casing (therefore no pressure can be put on it to excite the electron flow)
BUT the structure is laced with cubic Boron Nitride, which DOES react with neutrinos...

You would end up with a piezo crystal that is ALWAYS being excited! This type of crystal would probably output some trace voltage while it it being grown...

Now some questions...

is it only in nanotube form that cBN reacts with neutrinos?
is there a crystal form that can be grown without high heat and pressure that does what we need?

more Q's to come later, but at least in my mind I can now see how this might work...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 07, 2008, 01:21:00 PM
Howdy Koen1,

Are you certain, to take an example from Summera's theory, that there is a
Galactic Central Sun Black Hole which emits AC radiation, which in turn
gets transfomed mysteriously into DC radiation by our sun, and the interaction
of the two produces gravity?


Yeah, the key to Electrinium is Super Light theory.

Super Light theory is in the same area as the Soft Particle Physics theories that I was toying with earlier this year.  This same process excites the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods.  Also this theory is congruent with Henry Moray's Radiant Energy Receiver.  I just read a very exciting chapter in his book about the unlimited sea of energy we live in.  Here is a link to some information about Moray and his sea of energy.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm

The Super Light theory takes Morays theory a little farther by adding the dark central sun.  It is dark because its emissions are a lot higher that our optical sensors (eyes and instruments).  It is not just the reaction of the enormous amount of energy coming from our sun, but the perpendicular interaction between the energy coming from our sun and the invisible energy coming from the central sun which creates these effects in matter.  These two sources of energy interact with and add energy to matter.  The silver iron atoms join to become a molecule.  One side of the is producing negative charges with the added Super Light energy.  The other side is producing positive charges with the added Super Light Energy.  The effect which is produced makes the molecule a tiny pump effecting the space around it.  It becomes a molecular battery.  When these molecules become organized in series parallel structures then their effects can be amplified to create a battery.  A battery which is supplied energy from starlight.  Let me rephrase that, a strong, perpetual battery which is supplied energy from starlight.  I believe that the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods are doing an analogous job of converting starlight to electricity.  Both Tesla and Moray considered these phenomena to be caused by cosmic rays, and they were right, Super Light is a newer theory.

Edit:  I believe the first person to physically prove the existence of Super Light was Nicola Tesla.  His Plasma Shield technology from the WWII era used ultra high frequency energy (same as the central sun) which would dissolve physical matter.  He explained this was because of the energy radiated by the central sun.  This is in the Electrinium document.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 07, 2008, 05:26:01 PM
Hypersoniq

I am not  sure that  electrinium  uses the piezo  effect 

I like the  idea  of  it working  like a magnet     although  that is not  really an explanation  of how it works because  we really don't understand exactly how a magnet works . 

I did  find a few  piezo  links

 http://www.smied.co.jp/smi_english/product/e-10.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric
http://www.piezo-kinetics.com/index.htm
http://www.physikinstrumente.com/en/products/prdetail.php?sortnr=703750

The last one  is a piezo  Linear Actuator  I had no idea that this kind of  actuator  existed .  It looks to me like it  would be idea  for  pulling  crystals

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 07, 2008, 05:59:46 PM
Howdy Koen1,


Yeah, the key to Electrinium is Super Light theory.

Super Light theory is in the same area as the Soft Particle Physics theories that I was toying with earlier this year.  This same process excites the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods.  Also this theory is congruent with Henry Moray's Radiant Energy Receiver.  I just read a very exciting chapter in his book about the unlimited sea of energy we live in.  Here is a link to some information about Moray and his sea of energy.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/moray.htm

The Super Light theory takes Morays theory a little farther by adding the dark central sun.  It is dark because its emissions are a lot higher that our optical sensors (eyes and instruments).  It is not just the reaction of the enormous amount of energy coming from our sun, but the perpendicular interaction between the energy coming from our sun and the invisible energy coming from the central sun which creates these effects in matter.  These two sources of energy interact with and add energy to matter.  The silver iron atoms join to become a molecule.  One side of the is producing negative charges with the added Super Light energy.  The other side is producing positive charges with the added Super Light Energy.  The effect which is produced makes the molecule a tiny pump effecting the space around it.  It becomes a molecular battery.  When these molecules become organized in series parallel structures then their effects can be amplified to create a battery.  A battery which is supplied energy from starlight.  Let me rephrase that, a strong, perpetual battery which is supplied energy from starlight.  I believe that the Crystal Power Cell and the Elemental Rods are doing an analogous job of converting starlight to electricity.  Both Tesla and Moray considered these phenomena to be caused by cosmic rays, and they were right, Super Light is a newer theory.

Edit:  I believe the first person to physically prove the existence of Super Light was Nicola Tesla.  His Plasma Shield technology from the WWII era used ultra high frequency energy (same as the central sun) which would dissolve physical matter.  He explained this was because of the energy radiated by the central sun.  This is in the Electrinium document.

Blessed Be...

One of the things Ilike about the  super light  concept is that it fits  with  all the other  stuff I have learned  about how life really works.     

I don't  remember  where  but I read years ago  the black holes  were  natures recycling system ......physical stuff goes in  ......non physical energy flows  out . 
This  sounds  like   super light to me .

Of course  the name  doesn't  really matter .
What ever  you call it there is  a  flow of  energy that is  beyond  physical senses .........and it is very powerful .



Personally  I find the least believable  part of the PDF is the part about the  Tesla Shield .
I  understand that in times of  war  sometimes  extreme  measures  are taken .
This  seems to me a bit to extreme.
A shield that   disintegrates any  physical matter that   passes through it .....from boarder to border . 
Wouldn't this shield be kind of hard  on birds  and flying insects ?
It wouldn't be  very  useful  if  the enemy could  sneek  under it ........so what happens to the ground or water where it makes contact with the shield ?

One  potential  use of the technology  on a small scale  would be  for  waste  disposal .   
On  the  surface  it sounds like the perfect solution to  our landfill problems...............but I suspect that  putting  the molecules  of our  waste into the air  is probably  no better than putting the waste into the earth in the long  run . .   
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 07, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
    There may be sublight energy also.  Quantom physics predicts streams of neutrinos permeating well almost everything at high velocities.  Aether fabric? Magnetic particles? Gravity and anti-gravtiy just being a result of the relavent inertia of these particles.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 08, 2008, 03:24:08 AM
@resonanceman
Hey, thanks for the links!
I did some reading and I found out that Rochelle Salt (Potassium Sodium Tartrate) Has strong piezoelectric properties... you can make that in your kitchen!

You might be right and I have now strayed off the electrinium path onto something else (piezo-electrinium ?  ;) ). But since I have neither the funds or equipment to start running Czochralski processes with the materials in the pdf, I think I will stick to the cheap and easy stuff until I at least have a working proof of concept...

The rochelle salt is the easy part, I worked with that decades ago for science class... the cBN will hopefully present an easy/cheap method of implementation and integration without getting into the whole nanotube issue...

Oh well, even if it's not electrinium, that book did provide some inspiration!

Good Luck to whoever pulls the first boule!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 08, 2008, 03:58:19 AM
@resonanceman
Hey, thanks for the links!
I did some reading and I found out that Rochelle Salt (Potassium Sodium Tartrate) Has strong piezoelectric properties... you can make that in your kitchen!

You might be right and I have now strayed off the electrinium path onto something else (piezo-electrinium ?  ;) ). But since I have neither the funds or equipment to start running Czochralski processes with the materials in the pdf, I think I will stick to the cheap and easy stuff until I at least have a working proof of concept...

The rochelle salt is the easy part, I worked with that decades ago for science class... the cBN will hopefully present an easy/cheap method of implementation and integration without getting into the whole nanotube issue...

Oh well, even if it's not electrinium, that book did provide some inspiration!

Good Luck to whoever pulls the first boule!

Hypersonic

I agree that  it is good to work on what we can . .......

How strong is  the  rochelle salt crystals ?
Stong enough to  get  pinched  between  2 neos and take some vibration ?


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 08, 2008, 05:44:00 AM
Quote from: resonanceman
How strong is  the  rochelle salt crystals ?
Stong enough to  get  pinched  between  2 neos and take some vibration ?

The 2 initial problems with Pure Rochelle Salt Crystals are
1.) poor tensile strength (it's the displacement of ions internally that makes it piezo-electric)
2.) tendency to absorb moisture

I need to investigate if there are ways around this using various dopants during the grow phase. I'm sure only experimentation will tell... (the cBN should change things, lattice wise)

(I know Sure Microphones used a rochelle salt crystal in one of their older microphone elements, and it was moisture-protected, but they didn't last long so they went with something else, most likely quartz)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 08, 2008, 03:55:31 PM
Howdy Y'all,

I had a bit of a revelation about Super Light.  We have light (energy) coming from our sun which is interacting with the super light coming from the central sun at a perpendicular angle within matter.

The frequency of the the superlight is an order of magnitude or two higher than the frequency of light coming from our sun. 

These two sources of energy are heterodyning within the matter and causing the matter to resonate at the difference in frequency which would be an order of magnitude or two (kilohertz to megahertz).

The specific type of matter would dictate how the energy is manifested.

Drannom has said that the Alum Crystals that he grows convert the super light into visible light.

Permanent magnets made with ferrous metals convert super light into magnetism.

The Electrinium would convert super light into electricity.

Heavy elements such as uranium convert super light into gamma rays.

I suspect that the major portion of the lighter elements convert super light into gravity.

If this theory can be expanded then we can find a combination of physical material which can be made to emit any energy in the spectrum....

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 08, 2008, 05:13:54 PM


I suspect that the major portion of the lighter elements convert super light into gravity.

If this theory can be expanded then we can find a combination of physical material which can be made to emit any energy in the spectrum....

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

I susspect  that harmonics  are always present   so  one  atom  may  emit mostly one type of  energy but  it  probably  emits a very wide  range of energy too .

As  far as gravity  goes I kind of like the  explination  in the PDF   Gravity is  caused by  protons  and nutrons  having more ability to block  super light .......so gravity  is   a shadow  in the  superlight flow

This  would also imply  that  the energy that is blocked  would  be emitted  as another form of energy ......so the heavy atoms is  where we are likely to find  usable  energy output  of some kind.

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 09, 2008, 06:31:59 AM
I am  wondering  if this  idea could be a  way to  test the  superlight  theory

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2157.320

 reply 323

If the  superlight theory is  correct  and   gravity  is  the superlight  being  blocked by the  protons and nutrons in the atoms   heating  the  iron  would make  the  atoms move faster .....making  superlight collisions a little  more likely .   
I am also assuming that  the superlight  collisions   cause  some energy to be  released in other forms

A heavier metal like lead might  work  better than iron  if all this is true .

it  should also mean that there would be  some  energy  flowing  even at room temp . 

I am thinking it  would  probably be radiant  energy  so  it can't be measured  directly .......but it would  show up as  a voltage rise  in the battery

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 09, 2008, 04:21:52 PM
Jeanna, Resonanceman, Drannom,

You are the three here who know about St. Germain, and possibly read the Kybalion.  St. Germain can precipitate elements from the ethers directly.  In the Kybalion they state that Mental Transmutation of elements is possible.  These powers seem like more than we are capable of, but they are not.  I know we can practice the direct precursors to Mental Transmutation with Mental Attraction and Creative Visualization.  Since we are not advanced enough to either directly precipitate matter or perform Mental Transmutation, we can do the next best thing.  Use Mental Attraction to find the materials you want to use, and transform them into the structure you want to build using Creative Visualization.  This will be like mentally forging an alloy.

Mr. Summera says we need pure iron, pure silver, pure silicon, and borozon (boron nitride).  Although the process would be much easier to simple melt these in a crucible we are looking for a lower cost, and safer method in which to transform these elements into Electrinium.  A furnace that is capable of melting silicon and borozon would not be cheap.  So here is the alternative, low cost method.

They say the fire in your mind rivals the fires of hell.  Lets use that fire for a constructive purpose.  Lets mentally forge an Electrinium alloy crystal.  We have to mix the essential elements.  To do that when they are in a solid state is difficult.  We first start by grinding each element into the finest powder possible.  Then we would have to portion the powdered elements into a mixing chamber.  Thoroughly mix all the powdered elements together.  Next we would add the powdered elements to a crucible.  I believe that some heating is required for us at this point, but ultimately this can be done purely mentally.  You want to heat the crucible until it is glowing hot, but not hot enough where the contents turn to liquid.  We want it hot enough to where it is in a plastic state where it can be manipulated physically, except that the manipulation is going to happen mentally.  Take the crucible out of the fire and place it on a stable surface.  As the mixture is cooling you are going to work it with your mind.  Be prepared with the specific molecular structure that you want to grow.   As the mixture is cooling visualize the molecular structure that you want to grow and focus your attention on the crucible.  All the elements that you need for this molecular structure are already in the crucible, all you have to do is mentally arrange them.  As you maintain your focus, and the visualization of the molecular structure, the mixture cools to the point of locking the molecular structure into place, creating a stable, permanent Electrinium Crystal.

This process does require specifically focused mental power, but it is a lot cheaper than buying a crystal pulling machine.  This also eliminates the tedious, and lengthy manufacturing process I outlined at the beginning of this thread.  But it will only be able to be accomplished by people that have honed their mental powers to a fine edge and are able to think with the clarity and persistence that this process requires.

Drannom, try altering the shape of one of you alum crystals mentally.  Grow a sphere instead of a pyramid.

Jeanna, Resonanceman, you have already shown access to advanced mental powers, I believe you could mentally precipitate Electrinium directly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 09, 2008, 08:06:59 PM
Jeanna, Resonanceman, Drannom,

You are the three here who know about St. Germain, and possibly read the Kybalion.  St. Germain can precipitate elements from the ethers directly.  In the Kybalion they state that Mental Transmutation of elements is possible.  These powers seem like more than we are capable of, but they are not.  I know we can practice the direct precursors to Mental Transmutation with Mental Attraction and Creative Visualization.  Since we are not advanced enough to either directly precipitate matter or perform Mental Transmutation, we can do the next best thing.  Use Mental Attraction to find the materials you want to use, and transform them into the structure you want to build using Creative Visualization.  This will be like mentally forging an alloy.

Mr. Summera says we need pure iron, pure silver, pure silicon, and borozon (boron nitride).  Although the process would be much easier to simple melt these in a crucible we are looking for a lower cost, and safer method in which to transform these elements into Electrinium.  A furnace that is capable of melting silicon and borozon would not be cheap.  So here is the alternative, low cost method.

They say the fire in your mind rivals the fires of hell.  Lets use that fire for a constructive purpose.  Lets mentally forge an Electrinium alloy crystal.  We have to mix the essential elements.  To do that when they are in a solid state is difficult.  We first start by grinding each element into the finest powder possible.  Then we would have to portion the powdered elements into a mixing chamber.  Thoroughly mix all the powdered elements together.  Next we would add the powdered elements to a crucible.  I believe that some heating is required for us at this point, but ultimately this can be done purely mentally.  You want to heat the crucible until it is glowing hot, but not hot enough where the contents turn to liquid.  We want it hot enough to where it is in a plastic state where it can be manipulated physically, except that the manipulation is going to happen mentally.  Take the crucible out of the fire and place it on a stable surface.  As the mixture is cooling you are going to work it with your mind.  Be prepared with the specific molecular structure that you want to grow.   As the mixture is cooling visualize the molecular structure that you want to grow and focus your attention on the crucible.  All the elements that you need for this molecular structure are already in the crucible, all you have to do is mentally arrange them.  As you maintain your focus, and the visualization of the molecular structure, the mixture cools to the point of locking the molecular structure into place, creating a stable, permanent Electrinium Crystal.

This process does require specifically focused mental power, but it is a lot cheaper than buying a crystal pulling machine.  This also eliminates the tedious, and lengthy manufacturing process I outlined at the beginning of this thread.  But it will only be able to be accomplished by people that have honed their mental powers to a fine edge and are able to think with the clarity and persistence that this process requires.

Drannom, try altering the shape of one of you alum crystals mentally.  Grow a sphere instead of a pyramid.

Jeanna, Resonanceman, you have already shown access to advanced mental powers, I believe you could mentally precipitate Electrinium directly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

I do believe that  mind can  manipulate energy  .
One example  is that I call the   Daniel Pomerlou effect .
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=393.0

I believe that Daniel   started making his  devices before  he understood that there was no way that they could work .     They only work  because he KNOWS that they work .

I haven't been able to do anything like that so far .......in fact ....most of my  experiments  have been  a little  less effective than other peoples ...... so maybe I have  a bit if the  reverse  Daniel gene.
:)

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 09, 2008, 08:44:49 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

I think you can do this because you know the power of the mind, you are connected with your higher self and you understand love.  I believe that St. Germain can transmutate love (GODs Love) into elements at will.  I believe that we can do the same.  When I was young and first came across St. Germain it was a book about Alchemy.  I tried my own experiments in Alchemy, but all had disastrous effects because my mind was not developed enough to successfully accomplish the goals of my Alchemy experiments.  Now many years older, and possibly wiser, I find this material again, in a different form.  Electrinium is my new Alchemy experiment.  This time I know to use my higher self, my mind to execute the experiment and not use my physical body so much.  Remember, Mind over Matter.  You can start with something simple and work your way up.  Start with something simple like hydrogen, and a lighter to test it.  Try to precipitate a quantity of hydrogen the flick the lighter and see if you see a little whoomph.  Visualize the structure of the hydrogen molecules with intent on making it manifest.  The intensity of your intent determines the quantity and speed of manifestation...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 09, 2008, 09:11:29 PM
Howdy Resonanceman,

I think you can do this because you know the power of the mind, you are connected with your higher self and you understand love.  I believe that St. Germain can transmutate love (GODs Love) into elements at will.  I believe that we can do the same.  When I was young and first came across St. Germain it was a book about Alchemy.  I tried my own experiments in Alchemy, but all had disastrous effects because my mind was not developed enough to successfully accomplish the goals of my Alchemy experiments.  Now many years older, and possibly wiser, I find this material again, in a different form.  Electrinium is my new Alchemy experiment.  This time I know to use my higher self, my mind to execute the experiment and not use my physical body so much.  Remember, Mind over Matter.  You can start with something simple and work your way up.  Start with something simple like hydrogen, and a lighter to test it.  Try to precipitate a quantity of hydrogen the flick the lighter and see if you see a little whoomph.  Visualize the structure of the hydrogen molecules with intent on making it manifest.  The intensity of your intent determines the quantity and speed of manifestation...

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

I  have  been into mind over matter  for  many  years .
So far  all my  successful attempts  have  been  related to self healing or  spiritual concerns .
My  biggest  success  involving healing  was years ago when I realized that I had appendicitis.
A  5 hour healing session  took care of that .

On the spiritual  side   I used to  practice Tumo .    The Buddhist  art of manifesting  warmth .
When  I was practicing   often  I was able to  sit quietly  at night at 25 F  for an hour  with no goosebumps  or shivering  . I usually wore  sweat  pants and a t shirt

Quote

 This time I know to use my higher self, my mind to execute the experiment and not use my physical body so much. 


:)

very good

There is absolutely nothing  physical  about  using  spiritual energy .
When I first started  doing lightwork  I  would  tense  up  different  muscles  thinking I was directing  the energy flow that way ....   all I was really doing was giving myself a headach

:)

sending  the energy is  simply a choice ............feeling it flowing is the proof . 


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on October 09, 2008, 11:11:43 PM
 :D :D so, if I can manifest feathers, would the next step be to fly?  :) :) sounds good to me!

I am here briefly only to comment about the HHO process again. I mentioned it when I first came into this thread. I think the HHO welder produces the alchemical heat for alchemical transmutation. It is just a hunch, but in a recent lecture a spiritual teacher I trust (Ramtha) talked about transmutation, and described how the fire comes from within the original chemical. He was talking about something else and didn't continue in this direction for long. It does make me think that this HHO welder is the essential tool we are looking for.

HHO gas has been used to change rocks from one kind to another etc... The heat comes from the rock. The flame is cool. It fires the element from within.

So, back to electrinium, if someone out here has a garage or other safe spot, why not make a small HHO welder with flashback protection, and hit some sand with it. What will come out? will the O2 escape? will you end up with just Si? or will you end up with electrinium just straight up?

It probably sounds like a long shot, and I suppose it is, but there is something about all these things that seem to belong together. IMHO, of course.

jeanna
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 09, 2008, 11:20:24 PM
Howdy Jeanna,

The fire comes from within you, your spirit, the fire that is you...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 10, 2008, 01:04:08 AM
   When permanent magnets are made a molten metal mix of various elements is heated and electrical currents in various directions are maintained through the solidifying metal matrix.  This causes the electron orbitals to be in a certain alignment.   The magnetic effect is due to the electron displacement waves in combination with the neucleus displacement waves.  What are they displacing?  I am not sure but right before they ship the permanent magnets out the door they fill the crystalls up with it from exposure of the crystal to strong electrically produced magnetic flow fields.   I suspect quantom physics neutrinos are responsible for the magnetic field and zeropoint energy.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on October 10, 2008, 01:25:58 AM
yes you are right, Tesla was not erased, i read somewhere that Marcony is claiming to be the inventor of radio waves communication in some old hhistory book, in fact it was Tesla !, then many brevet patented from Tesla were used and no one mention that is coming from Tesla, Tesla's invention has been used illegaly, this is what i think and i may be wrong, i read that somewhere


Thanks for being man enough to admit it.  :)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 10, 2008, 01:28:54 AM
Howdy Jeanna,

If you think an HHO welder is the way to go you'll need this.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item142

Stanley Meyers Resonant Electrolysis Cell information.

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on October 10, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
Any answers to these questions yet?

1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?

5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).

From http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/ear_01/ear_01_00136.html via Google

The Universariun Foundation was formed in 1958 and for many years headquartered in Portland, Oregon. Among the small group, Zelrun Karsleigh and his wife, Daisy Karsleigh, then still in her teens, began to receive telepathic material. Meetings were held regularly in their home, and the work grew steadily. For several decades, the Karsleighs remained the primary channels of messages from the spirit world, though eventually others have developed within the group.

Messages have been received from both the ascended masters and the masters from outer space. The principle communicators have been Sri Soudah, Koot Hoomi, and Lord Michael. The material follows the perspective of the "I AM" Religious Activity and is aimed at the illumination and emancipation of earth from its fear, chaos, and confusion.

The Universariun Foundation is governed by a board of seven directors elected by the membership at an annual meeting. The board oversees publication of the monthly periodical. A sanctuary for weekly meditation and telepathic channeling and a bookstore are maintained in Tucson. The recommended reading list of books, sold on a mail-order basis, includes a wide variety of metaphysical works.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 10, 2008, 01:44:55 AM
Any answers to these questions yet?

1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?

5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).

From http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/ear_01/ear_01_00136.html via Google

The Universariun Foundation was formed in 1958 and for many years headquartered in Portland, Oregon. Among the small group, Zelrun Karsleigh and his wife, Daisy Karsleigh, then still in her teens, began to receive telepathic material. Meetings were held regularly in their home, and the work grew steadily. For several decades, the Karsleighs remained the primary channels of messages from the spirit world, though eventually others have developed within the group.

Messages have been received from both the ascended masters and the masters from outer space. The principle communicators have been Sri Soudah, Koot Hoomi, and Lord Michael. The material follows the perspective of the "I AM" Religious Activity and is aimed at the illumination and emancipation of earth from its fear, chaos, and confusion.

The Universariun Foundation is governed by a board of seven directors elected by the membership at an annual meeting. The board oversees publication of the monthly periodical. A sanctuary for weekly meditation and telepathic channeling and a bookstore are maintained in Tucson. The recommended reading list of books, sold on a mail-order basis, includes a wide variety of metaphysical works.



wizardofmars

Nope ........no answers to those  questions yet .

As far as I can see there is no interest in those  questions yet either .

Have a nice day !!!!!!


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on October 10, 2008, 02:36:07 AM
Howdy Jeanna,

The fire comes from within you, your spirit, the fire that is you...

Blessed Be...

Yes, of course.

In fact, this is where the teacher went in that lecture.

However, He did actually teach that this fire came from the base metal itself in the case of the alchemist's process.

In terms of physics and chemistry, I take that to mean that the spin of the electrons (Hydrogen atoms in the base metal, perhaps) would increase, bringing internal heat to the substance of attention.

Turning once again to Brown's gas,it could also be that the H2 coming from the flame gets added to the metal and compresses into the bands making heat within.

Yull Brown attests that although the flame of HHO is not at all hot, it produces remarkable heat in the metals it touches. And that heat is variable and specific to the metal. You can even weld 2 dissimilar metals together. And of course, it isn't just metals, as I mentioned before, it is rocks and glass too. In my searches I found a Japanese company uses only HHO for welding, because it needs such precision. I think it is making glass parts that can't be blown. I should find it again, because it is a testament to the excellence of the HHO welder.

jeanna

I am trying to figure how to move things around my shed to safely use a HHO welder.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 10, 2008, 03:00:04 AM
I see the  trash  has  come to  this thread .

Please  just ignore  him

All he wants  is  to argue and ridicule .

If no one  feeds his need  for  conflict  he  will get board and  go away .


gary 

I reported your personal insults to the moderator. It just goes to show what a person you are. And as for your "technical" comments, these are pure garbage, just like you, because you  have no idea what are you talking about.

Magnetic sludge from used up batteries.

Yeah. Great science and discoveries. Go on, invent more. I wonder why you bother when your "aliens" are coming in a couple of days and will give you all this technology on the plate.

I was told that you have a few different profiles to make more noise with your nonsense. This is now being checked out, just in case. or should I just say: hi pink floyd?

The fact that wizardofMars has eloquently demolished this subject and only received similar treatment from you and monkey, instead of some answers on his quite relevant and pertinent questions shows how little you have to say about any subject. As soon as someone asks a good question or competently points out at things that are pure nonsense from elementary scientific point of view you and alikes start personal insults and trashing.

Ok, pink floyd, or monkey, or resonanceman, or whatever are your names in this forum. Show us more of your colorful language. That is all you have to contribute anyway.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 10, 2008, 03:12:42 AM
@jeanna

You are fabricating an HHO welder?

Make sure
1.) you generate enough LPM of gas to get through at least 1 bubbler/flashback supressor AND create a steady flame... those sputtering tiny needlepoint rock melters on youtube probably won't cut it for this application.
2.) Bubblers are filled and checked regularly (they not only prevent flashbacks, they also filter out much of the inevitable liberated electrolyte)
3.) you wire in an emergency stop button to KILL gas production by cutting power,and place it where you can punch or stomp it quickly while welding/melting.

I was kicking around the idea of an "end-stage" small bubbler/flashback supressor built into the handle (like an airbrush gun has a place to screw in a paint canister, albeitwith different "plumbing") that would offer some protection from a spark reaching the dangerous amount of HHO gas going from the handle to the primary bubbler...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 10, 2008, 03:13:44 AM
Hi!

@All
Maybe you have seen it already. But there is a couple of links of a guy that made something with rods that relates to electrinium I think.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-635987818295327978&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" ;Video 01

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4298347669641896403&hl=en&fs=true"%20style="width:400px;height:326px"%20allowFullScreen="true"   ;Video 02

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 10, 2008, 03:41:52 AM
The power of any chemical reaction is expressed when the electrons are being transferred from one atomic neculei to the other.  An endothermic reaction draws heat in from the surround.  An exothermic the opposite.  In either case there is energy flow either to a condensed field or expanded field.  Why should we care which way it is going as long as it results in a flow of energy going through our systems that are setup to experience this flow.  Oxidation of hydrogen results in more energy in less space.  It is an implosion.  Yet while the electrons are being exchanged their kinetic energy is expressed on the field resulting in electromagnetic heating of the unreacted oxygen and thermal expansion of the gas.   You take hydrogen and ignite it in a test tube with mostly hydrogen in there and it sucks air into the tube.  The point being is that you imparted energy into the surrounds.  You run a car too rich and you lose power.  
   Unfortunately I am not wired or do not know how to control my nervous system electrical pulses to influence anything beyond the normal muscle contractions.  If I could first thing I'd do is make everyone some free food housing clean fuel and let everyone know their life is important and needed.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on October 10, 2008, 03:42:43 AM
@jeanna

You are fabricating an HHO welder?

Make sure

3.) you wire in an emergency stop button to KILL gas production by cutting power,and place it where you can punch or stomp it quickly while welding/melting.

I was kicking around the idea of an "end-stage" small bubbler/flashback supressor built into the handle (like an airbrush gun has a place to screw in a paint canister, albeitwith different "plumbing") that would offer some protection from a spark reaching the dangerous amount of HHO gas going from the handle to the primary bubbler...

good ideas.

Actually I am still just trying to figure out how to rearrange the shed so I have a safe way to do this.

I was planning to make it with a double bubbler (sounds a little like Macbeth)

I like the foot switch idea.

I contacted one company to sell me a welder because I really like to weld, but I got no reply. I don't want to force anybody to scam me, so I tread lightly with this.

I have a 9 volt battery proving the concept on my kitchen table. I don't know why I need to get a high LPM. It seems as long as I have some in reserve in the first bubbler, I can spot weld a little and get the rhythm of it.

jeanna

@Sparks, those are kind sentiments in the end. I am not sure I follow what you are saying about Oxidizing Hydrogen. I was actually thinking it was reducing (hydrogenizing - I think) Oxygen?? but, I will accept what you say. I didn't think burning H2 was implosive, just burning HHO as "Brown's gas".

But, whatever it is, the point I was trying to make is that it is the internal atoms of the base metal that fuel the fire for the transformation. Maybe you are saying the same thing and I just don't understand.

But, I think this is off topic. I apologize to the thread.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 10, 2008, 03:48:47 AM
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?

5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).

1. Your guess is as good as anyone's... my guess is it's a pen name for someone who had an idea but lacked the ability to see it through. If the document was written in 2080, I would be more concerned...

2. Google maps/satellite pic shows it as a tree... Did something exist there 28 years ago?

3. Obviously someone re-typed it, maybe stripped out useful formulas and/or interjected their own spin on some of it.

4. Possible likely candidates for who re-typed it and added their own stuff.

5. Where's the question here?


Seriusly, who cares where it came from, the REAL question is what are we going to do with it?
Some who has the means may try it as written, most will just go back and forth trying to decipher it.
I got something of value from it, probably not what the author intended, but enough to send me on my way to chase down my version of the concept...

Whenever you read a document that mixes "beliefs" and science, BLOCK OUT THE SPIRITUAL STUFF AND RE_READ IT !!!, The same goes for the people more into the spiritual side of things, block out the science and re-read it...

You obviously read at least some of the document, if it didn't give you an "a-ha" moment, drop it and move on to the next thing. :)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 10, 2008, 03:59:58 AM
Quote from: jeanna
I have a 9 volt battery proving the concept on my kitchen table. I don't know why I need to get a high LPM. It seems as long as I have some in reserve in the first bubbler, I can spot weld a little and get the rhythm of it.

Spot welding with low pressure is ok for a demonstrator or proof-of-concept, but to do what you want regarding electrinium will require a steady flame. intermittent heat does not promote uniform internal crystal structure (think voids, lattice mis-matches and fissures)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 10, 2008, 03:30:22 PM
Hello all

sorry, i have not read yet this topic (and all the others) since 29-09-2008, i will do that soon with a lot of excitement !! keep going !  :D

i will be back on the track in the next days, i will get much free time in winter with many feets of snow outside

don't worry i am ok

 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 10, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
Hi!

Forgive me for asking and forgive my ignorance on the matter. But, does anybody know where to get the electrinium rods this guy is talking about?

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-635987818295327978&hl=en&fs=true
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4298347669641896403&hl=en&fs=true

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 10, 2008, 04:16:07 PM
Howdy Nievesoliveras,

Isn't that the elemental rod guy?  I think I have seen his video before.  Don't know where to get the rods, I think he made them...

Edit:  Yeah found the videos, here you go...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 10, 2008, 04:29:01 PM
  Again a little off topic but light going through a prism and falling on gold creates plazmoids.  This technique is used for dna analyses.  It seems that the charge seperation as a result of this technique lasts significantly longer than the exposure of the gold to the light.  It's like charging a capacitor with light.  Now if this happens with infrared wavelengths we could have a nice infrared to voltage converter.  For some reason those copper clad pyramids come to mind.
  @Drannom

  welcome back!

    Have you ever tried introducing a magnetic field during your crystal synthesis?
Possibly a pulsed torroidal coil to replace the mixer. 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 10, 2008, 04:33:52 PM
Hi!

@Zmonkey
Thanks!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: ramset on October 10, 2008, 04:39:09 PM
Sparks do you think Infrared can be collected in an antennae system-[parabolic ?] and focus to a collector ?
          Chet
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 10, 2008, 06:23:54 PM
      The problem with shortwavelength conversion to electrical is the antennae size.  The creation of these plazmoids is interesting in that it represents a direct conversion of wave energy into electrical energy.  I believe that the impostion of the "demodulated" light wavefield onto the metal results in wave interference on the surface of the metal that is condusive to electron release from the metal atomic lattice.  The ionized atoms stay in the surface of the metal while the electrons form a seperated electron cloud outside of the metal.  This electron cloud seperated from the ionized metal atoms lasts up to 4times the length of the light signal.  This charge seperation could act as a voltage scource to drive an external circuit designed at much lower frequency.  This is basically the disintegration of the plazma which stored the light catalyzed energy.

    If the same mechanism is employed but optimized for the infrared spectrum we have a continual heat to electrical converter.  I invision pyramid crystals grown on the surface of a gold foil then an n substrate and second conductor foil.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: wizardofmars on October 10, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
2. Google maps/satellite pic shows it as a tree... Did something exist there 28 years ago?

Seriusly, who cares where it came from, the REAL question is what are we going to do with it? Some who has the means may try it as written, most will just go back and forth trying to decipher it.....You obviously read at least some of the document, if it didn't give you an "a-ha" moment, drop it and move on to the next thing. :)

Google shows no match with "850 north 28th street springfield oregon 97477" for me. There is a 850 28th St Springfield, OR 97477 however. Maybe someone could pull the records on that propety.

As for not caring where it came from - by your criteria, there are millions of random documents out there and you'll never get through them all. Figuring out if they came from a credible source (or some anonymous writer who was then 'reinterpreted' by a second anonymous writer) is important.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 11, 2008, 12:09:07 AM


As for not caring where it came from - by your criteria, there are millions of random documents out there and you'll never get through them all. Figuring out if they came from a credible source (or some anonymous writer who was then 'reinterpreted' by a second anonymous writer) is important.

Wizard

Who is it important to ?

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 11, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
Hello

in fact a agree for sure that Brown's Gas seems a perfect way to melt easily two metals, a furnace might not be required anymore ! yeah

like steel-gold or steel-platinum, the steel and the (gold or platinum) is the body as well as the compound, so it's a molecule with an atom ! remember the easy way : the compound is the body !


i imagine to use Brown's Gas and then let the 2 metals crystallized while cooling slowly and putting a lot of volts at low current, and, hit them with physical shocks to turn the compound in the right direction while crystallizing, in electrinium there is an analogy of that with magnets


Z-Monkey has said


Quote
Drannom has said that the Alum Crystals that he grows convert the super light into visible light.

in fact alum pyramid convert super light in ASTRAL lights, not visible, those astral lights look like 3d shape geometric forms around the crystal, and there is bleu and green astral light coming out like a smoke over it, and much more....

my point is that all crystals are reflecting super light in astral light, very few are converting super light in electricity

Quote
Drannom, try altering the shape of one of you alum crystals mentally. Grow a sphere instead of a pyramid.

to get half of a sphere a have to let dissolve a pyramid under a vortex propeller, it work, and that will not help us in electrinium at all, hahahaha

to get electrinium, i am better try the easy way than the mental way, try and try again....


koen1 has said

Quote
Mr. Summera seems to think that a compound molecule made of two
atoms which are relatively positive and negative valence-wise, has a
constant input and output of charge as in that the 'positive' atom puts out
a positive charge and the 'negative' outputs a negative charge, and that
this makes the compound molecule behave as a sort of electron pump,
absorbing electrons on one 'end' of the molecule and emitting them at the
other 'end'. We know this is not the case in reality.


thinking like this proove that you have not understand the electrinium at all, cause it's the compression of 2 atoms or molecules in a space shorter than normal that cause the electrinium to emit more super light than normal matter, normal matter is all in equilibrium, compression break the equilibrium

breaking this equilibrium produce electricity and fire in the universe

koen1 it is not the electrical charge of the atom, it's the difference in the weight of the atoms compressed in a shorter space.....

so the iron will not be the same with silver than with gold or platinum,

iron neg gold pos, or, iron pos and silver neg

i will not comment everything i read up to now, i hope to focus only on the electrinium

there is many easy way to find, for example if the compound is not harmonically tune the electrinium may produce heat instead of electricity

i think that egyptian used electrinium in water to produce torch with no smoke !

now i go to sleep with my dear wife and dream about how to find gold or platinum, and then ask to one of my friend to provide me some Brown's Gas



 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 11, 2008, 05:12:14 PM
Hi!

@All
I know that you are a very special kind of people and very intelligent.  But my question is:
Besides showing that you are a knowledgeable person. Anyone has made any experiment with the fabrication of the electrinium?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 11, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
Hi!

@All
I know that you are a very special kind of people and very intelligent.  But my question is:
Besides showing that you are a knowledgeable person. Anyone has made any experiment with the fabrication of the electrinium?

Jesus

We are a special kind of  people? 

Does that mean we get to compete in the Special Olympics?

 ;D ;D

Just kidding
I know  that   the  what you  said was said with respect .


To answer  your  question .
I  don't have the money right not  to  spend on   testing any of these ideas .   

I would  hope that  by the time my money  situation  gets better we have a  good plan for a proof of concept  experment that won't take  a $500k machine   to  test .


So far my plan  is to test my power bead that I  posted  a while back.

As far as HHO   if  it can  be shown that it  cooks  the oxygen out of  quarts  it would  be a good way to  get  silicone  ready for  combining  with other stuff .........but I don't see a good way to   run  lots of  curent through  the  material  while heating it with  HHO


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 11, 2008, 09:13:42 PM
   I believe that nature assembles macro atoms.  They are called plasma.  This is basically huge #'s of ions and electrons that have formed a structuring whereby the electrons circulate about the assembled proton mass.  I think Drannom assembles one when he makes his pyramid crystals.  I believe what we know as atoms are just plazma children.  And the Universe is still giving birth to plazma balls like the Sun from halo shaped plazma fields of immense proportions near the assumed center of the Universe. 
   Anyway the creation of a substance that allows for a vectored flow of electrons not atomically entrapped would radiate high energy electromagnetic waves.  As soon as electrons are moving in a vectored fashion faster than light is able to pass through the same field different forms of energy are manifest.  Like the light around an atomic reactor vessel filled with heavy water.  Drannom's crystals are cool anyway you look at them.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 11, 2008, 09:27:42 PM
While I am fully immersed in my particular area of exploring this concept on the cheap, I may have come across a particular reason for the high voltage needed for electrinium...

Now I know I am dealing with a completely different crystal structure (Rochelle Salt) but... in any of the known piezo-electric crystals out there, compression releases electrons... there is a reverse reaction that will deform a crystal when high voltage is applied, it's known as "Electrostriction", and that's actually common to ANY dielectric material, to varying degrees of deformation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostriction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostriction)

The resultant strain is irreversible. (even if you change voltage polarity).

Right now my biggest challenge is finding a cheap, readily-available source of boron nitride (expensive stuff based on preliminary searches... best so far is $40 USD for a 1lb sample of 98% pure hexagonal BN powder)

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 12, 2008, 02:53:36 AM
I think I will let this electrinium thing continue on without mixing in my own crystal cell idea...
but since I don't have a working prototype yet it's going in half-baked ideas for now.

thanks A.P. Summera for the inspiration!

good luck
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 03:01:08 AM
Quote

PVDF has a glass transition temperature (Tg) of about -35oC and is typically 50-60% crystalline. To give the material its piezoelectric properties, it is mechanically stretched to orient the molecular chain
s and then poled under tension. PVDF exists several forms: alpha (TGTG'), beta (TTTT), and gamma (TTTGTTTG') phases, depending on the chain conformations as trans (T) or gauche (G) linkages. When poled, PVDF is a ferroelectric polymer, exhibiting efficient piezoelectric and pyroelectric properties. These characteristics make it useful in sensor and battery applications. Thin films of PVDF are used in some newer thermal camera sensors.


Isn't this  starting  to sound a little like  plastic  electrinium?

gary

Edit

OOppps   
It looks like I hit modify  rather than  quote . ......and modified my  post out of existence .

It looks like this  could be  ideal  for the  Piezo capacitor  thing .



I found this  by following links to wikipedia  piezoelectricity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity


In 1969, the strong piezoelectricity of PVDF was observed by Kawai et al. The piezoelectric coefficient of poled thin films of the material were reported to be as large as 6-7 pCN-1: 10 times larger than that observed in any other polymer.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 12, 2008, 04:44:23 AM
Hi!

@Gary
I have an information that I bought on Ebay about a plasma hydrolyzer and because I dont have any money I will help you with that information in order that you can get the energy that you need for your HH0.

Jesus

The file is too big for this site standards. I tried Mediafire but it freezes and stop responding. Please advise.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 05:23:32 AM
Hi!

@Gary
I have an information that I bought on Ebay about a plasma hydrolyzer and because I dont have any money I will help you with that information in order that you can get the energy that you need for your HH0.

Jesus

The file is too big for this site standards. I tried Mediafire but it freezes and stop responding. Please advise.

Jesus

Thanks  but I am not  ready to work on a HHO generator   ..... It is on my to do list  but it is not near the top .

gary     
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 12, 2008, 07:35:27 AM
Hi!

It Is ok. Just wanted to help.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 02:46:57 PM
   I believe that nature assembles macro atoms.  They are called plasma.  This is basically huge #'s of ions and electrons that have formed a structuring whereby the electrons circulate about the assembled proton mass.  I think Drannom assembles one when he makes his pyramid crystals.  I believe what we know as atoms are just plazma children.  And the Universe is still giving birth to plazma balls like the Sun from halo shaped plazma fields of immense proportions near the assumed center of the Universe. 
   Anyway the creation of a substance that allows for a vectored flow of electrons not atomically entrapped would radiate high energy electromagnetic waves.  As soon as electrons are moving in a vectored fashion faster than light is able to pass through the same field different forms of energy are manifest.  Like the light around an atomic reactor vessel filled with heavy water.  Drannom's crystals are cool anyway you look at them.

Thank you Spark, i do not deserve so much, your theory seems to be ok for me !! crystals are a more perfect space in the chaos ! so a sort of plasma among chaostic micro plasma !


this morning i wake up with the feeling, that we have to find an easy way, without gold and platinium, so i agree with those one using the silver-iron compound, to produce that compound is not so hard, or find and old batterie silver-iron too,

Quote
Throughout this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure
Electrinium Compound.

i have the feeling that we can find a lot of way to compressed an alingned this compound, and Resonanceman is on the right track to find it !!

the easy way must be the cheap way too, so iron-silver yeah


and this quote to explain why an electrinium is not like an electret

Quote
Electrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 04:08:40 PM
We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately.


I remember  reading that but it  didn't  fully sink in .

Doesn't that imply that  we need to get  the electrinium from batterys or make  batterys to get it ?
I can see how  melting  2 metals  could make some of it  but for the most part I don't think that the 2 metals would combine atom  to atom  like that


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 09:25:09 PM
Hello Resonanceman

i think the easy way is to make the iron-silver compound by ourselves, with a peice of iron a piece of silver and Sodium Cyanide in water, everyone will find it easy to do, just read the texts below


then you'll get an exact iron-silver compound from a kind of chemical battery to transfert one atom to join the other

that is the very first step, and when we will get our iron-silver compound we will have to play with it

the compression is done by the high voltage as well as the alignment, we need to put this iron-silver compound in something like epoxy, or whatever to play with it

Quote
Chapter 10

THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT

Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side. We will assemble them in a standard battery form using separators cut to size from and old battery. A five inch square glass refrigerator jar could be the case. We can compound our electrolyte from distilled water and Sodium Cyanide, compounded to a density to provide a circuit of conductivity of two and a half volts resistance reading on the voltmeter mounted within the circuit. This battery can be fabricated very easily at a very low cost. A few hours of use will produce enough Electrinium Compound to make one or more Units.


Chapter 11

ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL OF A UNIT

The first question you will ask is, “What is the electrical potential of an Electrinium Unit?” That
cannot be answered truly until a test is run on the Unit for voltage and amperage. However, we
do have some figures from which an estimate can be made and a study of the storage battery will g ive them. We are using the same materials that were used in the storage battery, the only difference is in the way they are put together and used. During the process of producing the Compound through the discharge-charge process did your battery really get discharged or charged? Every bit of energy that left it had to return to it. Every bit of energy you passed into it passes out of it. How could it become discharged? What really did happen during this process ? By using a glass case you could watch the buildup of Silver-Iron molecules on the surfaces of the plates as it discharged, and as you charged it by forcing a current through it backwards you could see the Silver-Iron molecules as a milky substance being forced from the plates and sinking to the bottom of the case.When the plates have been cleaned of the Silver-Iron molecules in the charging cycle the battery is fully charged. This first cycle of discharge charge has completely used up the top layer of atoms on the positive and negative plates and has exposed a whole new layer of atoms ready for the next cycle, and so it goes from cycle to cycle until your plates are used up in the production of compound molecules from single atoms.
When your circuit was closed, a Silver atom, using the electrolyte as a pathway of conductivity went over the gap between the plates and united with an atom of Iron and became a Silver-Iron
molecule. This molecule is a greater force surrounded by a lesser force. This force moved out,
traveling the full circuit and returned to its Silver-Iron body. The newly exposed Silver atom
which did lay beneath the first is now exposed for action but it now faces a compound molecule
of much greater force than it contains and this greater force blocks passage and further action cannot take place until the compound molecule is removed by a so-called charging action. When the force of every Silver atom is blocked by a compound molecule the battery is fully discharged. To find a basis from which to figure the electrical potential of an Electrinium Unit let us observe a single Silver atom of our Silver-Iron battery as it makes its circuit. As it crossed the gap to join the Iron atom it used the electrolyte as a pathway which had two and half volt resistance in electrical conductivity. If the energy flowing in the circuit had been used it could have lit a two volt bulb before it re-entered the battery and returned to its metallic body. The energy expended by this Silver-Iron molecule is equal to seven volts, of which five were expended within the battery because the electrolyte must have more resistance than battery output and this force crossed the gap twice.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 10:30:25 PM
Hello Resonanceman

i think the easy way is to make the iron-silver compound by ourselves, with a peice of iron a piece of silver and Sodium Cyanide in water, everyone will find it easy to do, just read the texts below


then you'll get an exact iron-silver compound from a kind of chemical battery to transfert one atom to join the other

that is the very first step, and when we will get our iron-silver compound we will have to play with it

the compression is done by the high voltage as well as the alignment, we need to put this iron-silver compound in something like epoxy, or whatever to play with it


Drannom

I know that the  PDF says Sodium Cyanide

Any idea if other things  could be used for electrolight?

I know that  if handled wrong  Sodium Cyanide can  give off cyanide gas.


 I don't think that epoxy  is hard enough or  able to take  high enough temperatures .
The  epoxy I am familure  with  can't handle anything over 180 F
Iron  by itself  is not hard enough  to make  a  strong permanent magnet ......

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Quote
I don't think that epoxy  is hard enough or  able to take  high enough temperatures


Sure it will not, i try to imagine, cement , or whatever to maintain the compress aligment, the body must keep the compound (silver-iron) in place, so we will have to play a lot to find some easy ways to do this

this might be done without cristallizing and without heating, isn't it ?

i am pretty sure that someone somewhere will find an easy way to mixt some iron-silver in a sort of epoxy-cement (or whatever) and put high voltage with low current on a very thin part of the mixture, (1 milimeter) and release the voltage after the solidification of the mixture

we may be able to get some compressed aligned connection with the compound inside a solidifation, a cristallization or whatever else

i just say that the first step is to get iron-silver and we need Sodium Cyanide and now the question is where can we find or make our Sodium Cyanide ?

and we will have to take care to know exactly how safe it is, Summmera said that it is very easy to make the compound, so we will have to find a sort of body to get the unit completed

i have already a silver spoon ! and iron is everywhere around me, now Sodium Cyanide!  yeah
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 12, 2008, 11:15:45 PM
this stuff is not exactly cheap

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLS3736
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 12, 2008, 11:54:07 PM
this stuff is not exactly cheap

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLS3736

well expensive indeed, 185 $ for 2.5 kilo

is the formula correct ? NaCN ? then there is some eminence here to find a way to make our own NaCN, there must be a sort of chemical reaction to do NaCN

thank you resonanceman, not cheap yet, we may find a way to synthetise it, heuu i hope
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 12:11:37 AM
well expensive indeed, 185 $ for 2.5 kilo

is the formula correct ? NaCN ? then there is some eminence here to find a way to make our own NaCN, there must be a sort of chemical reaction to do NaCN

thank you resonanceman, not cheap yet, we may find a way to synthetise it, heuu i hope


check  in your local  phone book  for  electroplating  shops
maybe  you can  get  just enough  to run some tests .
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 12:17:12 AM
check  in your local  phone book  for  electroplating  shops
maybe  you can  get  just enough  to run some tests .

Wikipedia  answers  a few questions .
Why  only sodium cyanide  is  named and  why  care must be taken  when using it . 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyanide

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 13, 2008, 12:32:03 AM
Thank you Resonanceman !

HCN + NaOH → NaCN + H2O

in fact we want just to do a little mini electrinium to proove the concept, so, i will need indeed just a few of NaCN, some grammes, i understand almost perfectly the way electrinium use NaCN to create the iron-silver compound

now we are all at the first step to create the iron-silver compound, then the body will be to imagine, and i have a lot of imagination

in few days i hope someone will tell us the way he realise it, and when many will get iron-silver compound then thre will be many many experiment to do with that, i have already all the ability to generate high voltage at low current,

someone said before in this thread to try to use glass to be the body of the compound, if the body is not a cristallized body then it may be possible to make some connection to compress and align iron-silver inside any type of mixture, imagination will help
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 13, 2008, 01:16:09 AM
ok Resonanceman, i have a new feeling ! we better buy directly a silver-iron battery if there still some one to sell

many of us wonder how to find and old silver battery in the way to extract from it the silver-iron compound, and, i have the idea to simply buy one of them, so i will perform a search and probably find nothing, someone else may provide us a link to order those ordinary silver-iron battery

and then we will get for sure our compound, here i have a lot of old battery, i have no way to know which one get silver in it, may be someone else will find such a battery and show us a picture, M Summera seems to say that there is a lot of those silver-iron battery, so just buy one of them, then discharge completly it, then collecte the coumpound inside, this will be the cheapest sure way to go

so, instead of  Sodium Cyanide, i will try to find a link....

and...i have found notihng, research still in progress

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 01:42:49 AM
Hi!

There is a process for obtaining cyanide from algae or from hard shells. I dont have the link. But I read it somewhere on the internet.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 01:47:54 AM
ok Resonanceman, i have a new feeling ! we better buy directly a silver-iron battery if there still some one to sell

many of us wonder how to find and old silver battery in the way to extract from it the silver-iron compound, and, i have the idea to simply buy one of them, so i will perform a search and probably find nothing, someone else may provide us a link to order those ordinary silver-iron battery

and then we will get for sure our compound, here i have a lot of old battery, i have no way to know which one get silver in it, may be someone else will find such a battery and show us a picture, M Summera seems to say that there is a lot of those silver-iron battery, so just buy one of them, then discharge completly it, then collecte the coumpound inside, this will be the cheapest sure way to go

so, instead of  Sodium Cyanide, i will try to find a link....

and...i have found notihng, research still in progress



I found  lots of  silver zinc batterys       

I  don't think that  anyone  makes  silver iron batterys .   
If  you are willing to pay the extra  money for  silver you are going to  also pay the  money for  the other metal that  will give the highest  performance . 

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 01:58:08 AM
Hi!

Cyanide can be gotten from a lot of sources.
"Cyanide is used in tempering steel, dyeing, explosives, engraving, the production of acrylic resin plastic, and other organic chemical products (eg: historically: formic acid). The less toxic ethyl acetate (C4H8O2) has now largely replaced the use of cyanide in insect killing jars. Hydrogen Cyanide is also being used for capital punishment in gas chambers in six US states, all of which have other options available.[citation needed].

Fruits that have a pit, such as cherries, apricots, apples, and bitter almonds from which almond oil and flavoring are made, contain small amounts of cyanohydrins such as mandelonitrile (CAS#532-28-5). Such molecules slowly release hydrogen cyanide.[4][5] Some millipedes release hydrogen cyanide as a defense mechanism,[6] as do certain insects such as some burnet moths. Hydrogen cyanide is contained in the exhaust of vehicles, in tobacco and wood smoke, and in smoke from burning nitrogen-containing plastics.

100 g of crushed apple seeds can yield 219 mg of Amygdalin which can generate ~10 mg of HCN"

The article that I read talked about how to poison fish with cyanide made from crushed sea shells.

One way of obtaining the silver salt is by chemically disociating the silver from the Tin/Silver solder and joining it to iron salts.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 13, 2008, 02:11:26 AM

so let's go with Sodium Cyanide or with old silver battery, i was talking about iron-silver battery and i may be wrong, i do not know their name, the iron-silver compound is the result of the discharged battery

here the master Summera

Quote
Throughout this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure Electrinium Compound.

so what was the exact name of the battery he is talking about ?



Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 02:23:37 AM
so let's go with Sodium Cyanide or with old silver battery, i was talking about iron-silver battery and i may be wrong, i do not know their name, the iron-silver compound is the result of the discharged battery

here the master Summera

so what was the exact name of the battery he is talking about ?





he seems to be talking about all of them

But he also  says that  the  elements in the  electinium must all  be in harmony   so most  of the  batterys are probably  not  usable .........   

I do think  you  had a point  when you said OLD silver battery ......the  battery industry   looks to  have become  a little to standardized .


gary       

gary   
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 03:03:03 AM
Quote
 
If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery
and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery
need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets
of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side.


He says  IF  we could find  a worn out Silver-Iron battery

then he  goes on  explaining  how to  make one.   

 gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 13, 2008, 03:06:26 AM
Quote
Throughout this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure Electrinium Compound.

Resonanceman

from my point of view you are right, a lot of them are ok, the good one will get iron-silver compound as the result of discharging the battery (i suppose?)

2 easy way to get the iron-silver compound, the most sure should be with the Sodium Cyanide method

so i will go to sleep, and may be tomorrow we will find some Sodium Cyanide easily, or with great luck and old silver battery

good night

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 13, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
He says  IF  we could find  a worn out Silver-Iron battery

then he  goes on  explaining  how to  make one.   

 gary


yes, thank you Resonanceman, so now let's create a silver-iron battery !

with many heads there are much more ideas to understand the electrinium better

 :D
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 05:12:16 PM

yes, thank you Resonanceman, so now let's create a silver-iron battery !

with many heads there are much more ideas to understand the electrinium better

 :D

Anyone know how to tell  if a ring is made of silver ?

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 07:16:04 PM
Hi!

The silver almost always has a number inside the ring. 404 I think.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 07:38:41 PM
Hi!

It seems that Im not welcome here. From now on I will just be a reader.
But befor ikeep quiet I would like to let you know that I had a success with an energy receiver that gives 59volts.
I cant use the energy because I dont know how to tap it. The energy is just a spark of 59volts when I try to run a small 12v motor.
The picture is included.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 13, 2008, 11:40:56 PM
Hi!

The silver almost always has a number inside the ring. 404 I think.

Jesus

Jesus

There is a  number   
It is hard to read    it looks  like 920
Do you know  if there is  a  place I can look up  what the numbers mean ? 

Quote

It seems that Im not welcome here. From now on I will just be a reader.
But befor ikeep quiet I would like to let you know that I had a success with an energy receiver that gives 59volts.
I cant use the energy because I dont know how to tap it. The energy is just a spark of 59volts when I try to run a small 12v motor.
The picture is included.


Why do you  think   you  are not welcome? 
 
I am not  sure that this is the best  place to  post your  energy reciever .  ..  but  I  would  like to  see  more about it ..


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 11:48:45 PM
Hi!

@Gary
I think that the number must be sought on the internet it coul be right but I am not shure.
There are many aleations. But must always when it has a number inside it is silver.
Just recheck on the internet.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 13, 2008, 11:59:47 PM
Hi!

The capacitors are 100uf 100v and 473z 25v. The diodes are 1N34. The antenna is a ferrite rod with about 15 turns of bifilar 22awg. Only one side of that antenna is connected and from it there is a connection to the clamp of an aluminum lamp I use on my desk. The ground is attached to the aluminum window with a 26awg.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 14, 2008, 12:04:56 AM
Hi!

@Gary
I think that the number must be sought on the internet it coul be right but I am not shure.
There are many aleations. But must always when it has a number inside it is silver.
Just recheck on the internet.

Jesus


Thanks  Jesus

I  would  have already tried to run a search  but I have no idea  what  to search for   other than "numbers inside a ring "

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 14, 2008, 12:21:40 AM
Hi!

The capacitors are 100uf 100v and 473z 25v. The diodes are 1N34. The antenna is a ferrite rod with about 15 turns of bifilar 22awg. Only one side of that antenna is connected and from it there is a connection to the clamp of an aluminum lamp I use on my desk. The ground is attached to the aluminum window with a 26awg.

Jesus

Jesus 

Does it work in a similar way to one of these  on this link?

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/reac.htm

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 12:52:03 AM
Hi!

I took the idea from this video:
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 12:55:12 AM
Hi!

I took the idea from this video: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0
And modified it to get energy. But I cannot use it for the purpose I made it. It just fill the capacitors and when you try to use it it just gives a spark with the volt value stored and nothing more. Then you wait a few minutes and it replenish.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 14, 2008, 01:07:50 AM
Hi!

I took the idea from this video: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0
And modified it to get energy. But I cannot use it for the purpose I made it. It just fill the capacitors and when you try to use it it just gives a spark with the volt value stored and nothing more. Then you wait a few minutes and it replenish.

Jesus

Jesus

I remember  seeing that video  before .
There  is at least one thread  that talks about it here
I don't have any idea where it is.

If  you  enjoy  playing  with it .......try  longer antenna wires .


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 14, 2008, 01:36:06 AM
This was so interesting, I thought it would be good to post- not exactly "Sun" energy, more like Central Sun Energy.
Tell me what you think...
 http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf


Hello All, i know there is a lot of skeptics about the Central Sun, in the electrinium.pdf there is a way to convert some super light from this Central Sun, up to now we are only at the beginning, trying to make the Electrinium Compound, we have learned a lot, we have to reread electrinium.pdf again and again to fully understand it, the link on the Super Light complete the theory

this quote explain where we are right now

Quote
In the first step in producing this new source of energy two elements must be alloyed
into a compound substance and this substance shall be called “ELECTRINIUM COMPOUND.” In the second step when the Electrinium Compound is encased within a very hard body and the electric bodies aligned in a series to produce an electrical unit similar to the magnetic unit the unit shall be known as the “ELECTRINIUM UNIT. “ The finished Electrinium Units will then be cut and sawed into platelets and the platelets ground to a thickness to produce a standard voltage: then assembled into batteries of various sizes to fit all occasions. All these batteries regardless of size shall be known as “ELECTRINIUM BATTERIES. “

i just want to make the Electrinium Unit, in fact just a little one, less than one milimeter long, it will be much more easy

i think it may be possible without cristallizing, and i can be wrong

anyway, we have to wait that someone find some Sodium Cyanide to buy somewhere

Gary found a link, we may find others links

this is all i find today

CyPlus Canada vend et distribue les produits de cyanure (NaCN et KCN) qu’au Canada et majoritairement dans un rayon de 500 km du terminal de Cadillac. La matière première, le NaCN en briquette est fournie par une usine de Degussa aux Etats-Unis. Degussa adhère aussi à la Gestion responsable. Cy Plus Canada n’a pas d’activité hors frontière.


NaCN Cyanure de sodium


CyPlus Canada Inc.
Cadillac, Quebec
CANADA

the good part is that is in Québec, so i might be able to order it by phone !




Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 14, 2008, 02:18:59 AM
Hi!

It seems that Im not welcome here. From now on I will just be a reader.
But befor ikeep quiet I would like to let you know that I had a success with an energy receiver that gives 59volts.
I cant use the energy because I dont know how to tap it. The energy is just a spark of 59volts when I try to run a small 12v motor.
The picture is included.

Jesus

Howdy Jesus,
Sure your welcome here.
All opinions are valid on a public forum.
I built that circuit with the germanium diodes.
Mine didn't get close to that voltage...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 03:57:32 AM
Hi!

@Gary
Using longer antenna cables will only make that the spark get bigger and will destroy the components on the circuit that it were connected. Just imagine a 1000volts across a small motor of 12volts. Even though the electricity will be just a momentaneous spark. The motor will be destroyed.

@zmonkey
Thank you zmonkey. I built the circuit as the video said and only gave 0.15volts. Then I saw other circuits and saw the ground and the antenna connections. It ocurred to me that the antenna could be the way that a joule thief is made. So I added a ferrite rod with approximately 15 turns of bifilar and the circuit produced all that voltage, but no current.
I saw your hubbard coil presentation on another thread. Good work!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 14, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Hello

the next video is suppose to be on the electrinium, this is the only one on youtube, someone gave us that link in the Hutchison topic

he start with alkaline battery  ???, can we get other compound than iron-silver in old battery ? i do not think so

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNZNoNPI3hc

i have not see it completly yet, and the comments may help us to see where we are

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 14, 2008, 02:44:49 PM
Hi!

That is the original video with a different name. But it seems to be that the electrinium is formed by any compound used inside a battery and has been used up by the reaction to get aoutside voltage or current.
That makes our task easier if it is true!

Jesus

I decided to keep pursuing my original goal.  !!!!The electrinium battery!!!!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 15, 2008, 12:39:40 AM
Hi!

This information talks about the
PREPARATION OF SEED CRYSTALS

The idea is to grow a small perfect crystal around which you will later grow a large crystal.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED

Substance to be crystallized
Distilled or demineralized water
A shallow dish (e.g., Petri)
Heating plate or stove
Fishing line (1 to 2 kg strength)
A small wood rod (e.g., popsicle stick)
Optional:
a magnifying glass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW

How much substance you have to work with (weigh on a balance).
The solubility of the substance in water at room temperature. (Obtain from a chemistry reference book.)
It would also be useful to know the solubility of the substance at elevated temperatures.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU DO

Warm about 50 mL (1/4 cup) of water in a glass container.
Dissolve a quantity of the substance to produce a saturated solution at the elevated temperature.
Pour the warm solution into a shallow dish.
Allow the solution to cool to room temperature.
After a day or so, small crystals should begin to form.
Remove some of the crystals.

With a magnifier select a beautiful and transparent small crystal.
Tie the seed crystal with the fishing line by using a simple overhand knot.
Suspend the seed crystal in a shallow (1 to 2 mm deep) small volume (about 1 to 2 ml) saturated solution (for example, in a cover or a Petri dish) for some time (1 to 2 days).

Check with the magnifier that the seedling crystal is well fixed to the line by its beginning growth. This step is very important because one can lose several days of growth if the "beginning growth" is not regular or not along the structure of the seedling crystal. It is worth checking properly before going on with the regular crystal growth.

this information is taken from: http://www.seawhy.com/xlseed.html

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 15, 2008, 07:59:13 PM
Hi!

I found a simple process of doing a battery called electret and I thought that it could be used by us to make an electrinium battery. I can be wrong though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 16, 2008, 12:28:39 AM
Hi!

That is the original video with a different name. But it seems to be that the electrinium is formed by any compound used inside a battery and has been used up by the reaction to get aoutside voltage or current.
That makes our task easier if it is true!

Jesus

I decided to keep pursuing my original goal.  !!!!The electrinium battery!!!!

Hello Jesus

i have try to put 4 messages in the youtube video (electrinium), they appears only today, then i have answer 4 reply and the replies are not yet on the youtube

i do not think that any battery will give some compound, may be some of them, it is a long way to try others compound, he talked about cadium nickel

i think we have to try the easy way, and the easy way is to produce our iron-silver compound by ourselve, and then we will be sure to have something working, we have to build a silver-iron battery in the way to create silver-iron compound, this is the first step to do

i think that only few people can really focus long enough to understand electrinium.pdf, for myself i will have to reread it for the sixth time, and now i am sure to know where i want to go

just a little of silver, a little of iron and a little of NaCN and i will get enough iron-silver compound to create a mini micro little electrinium without crystallization
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 16, 2008, 12:40:55 AM
Hi!

This information talks about the
PREPARATION OF SEED CRYSTALS

The idea is to grow a small perfect crystal around which you will later grow a large crystal.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED

Substance to be crystallized
Distilled or demineralized water
A shallow dish (e.g., Petri)
Heating plate or stove
Fishing line (1 to 2 kg strength)
A small wood rod (e.g., popsicle stick)
Optional:
a magnifying glass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW

How much substance you have to work with (weigh on a balance).
The solubility of the substance in water at room temperature. (Obtain from a chemistry reference book.)
It would also be useful to know the solubility of the substance at elevated temperatures.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT YOU DO

Warm about 50 mL (1/4 cup) of water in a glass container.
Dissolve a quantity of the substance to produce a saturated solution at the elevated temperature.
Pour the warm solution into a shallow dish.
Allow the solution to cool to room temperature.
After a day or so, small crystals should begin to form.
Remove some of the crystals.

With a magnifier select a beautiful and transparent small crystal.
Tie the seed crystal with the fishing line by using a simple overhand knot.
Suspend the seed crystal in a shallow (1 to 2 mm deep) small volume (about 1 to 2 ml) saturated solution (for example, in a cover or a Petri dish) for some time (1 to 2 days).

Check with the magnifier that the seedling crystal is well fixed to the line by its beginning growth. This step is very important because one can lose several days of growth if the "beginning growth" is not regular or not along the structure of the seedling crystal. It is worth checking properly before going on with the regular crystal growth.

this information is taken from: http://www.seawhy.com/xlseed.html

Jesus


thank you Jesus , that might help, only at room temperature, i do the same in my youtube videos, i have put all my technics to grow perfect potassium alum crystal pyramid

and the first step to play with the electrinium is to create a silver-iron battery to collect our iron-silver compound, after this i do not expect me to cristallize silicon at very high temperature !

so i will create an electrinium unit with glue or cement or whatever else, and it will be just less than one milimiter, so it will be easier like that, the concept is to compress and align 2 atoms or molecules with high voltage at low current and keep them permanently like this

Superlight come from all around us, with the compresse zone you catch more superlight, the alignment will convert some superlight (not all) in electricity

we are at the first step iron-silver compound
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 16, 2008, 12:54:29 AM
Hi!

I found a simple process of doing a battery called electret and I thought that it could be used by us to make an electrinium battery. I can be wrong though.

Jesus

Hello Jesus, studying electret is interesting, the theory is well known, and we know exactly where the static electricity come from, it may help someone to understand electrinium.....electrinium does not collect static electricity, electrinium is collecting superlight

the youtube video on the electrinium show me that nobody seems to have gone far away in the process to create iron-silver compound with a silver-iron battery

i may be the first to produce this video, and then the electrinium concept will progress

first ? : do the iron-silver compound, and make a video to show to the other how to do it

second ?  play with the compound and try many experiments with it

why i am repeating myself ? heuuu i do not know hahahha

see you soon, i wonder how far they are in their own forum on the electrinium, i bet that they are not far away as the youtube video, and this youtube video is not the beginning at all, it is a speculation on the cadium-nickel compound !!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 16, 2008, 01:18:14 AM
HI!

@drannom
I like to help others to achieve their goals. Because, helping others, I help myself. If someone succeed makes the world better and by some thing I dont understand yet, I am inside the world.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 16, 2008, 01:34:29 AM
HI!

@drannom
I like to help others to achieve their goals. Because, helping others, I help myself. If someone succeed makes the world better and by some thing I dont understand yet, I am inside the world.

Jesus

Hello Jesus

i respect your positive mind, we need a lot of good will to overcome the NWO itself

many inventors have been killed or threated, and a lot of disinformation is going on

so, as a good warrior, i have to take part in this war for the freedom of humanity

JFK himself as a prim minister has been killed ten days after calling for the people to fight against secret societies, so, i obey, i go to war, i have gone through many french forum, and the destiny bring me here, with my poor english, and this time,  i do know why, there is a need for more soldiers to fight in the war for the true truth, in memory of JFK and all killed inventors.



i am like you, i keep good intention, and try to serve for the human race
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 16, 2008, 02:56:10 PM
Hi!

I found a simple process of doing a battery called electret and I thought that it could be used by us to make an electrinium battery. I can be wrong though.

Jesus

Electret is not a battery, it is a capacitor. And "electrinium" is not a battery either. It is a joke. Silver (or any other, for that matter) sludge cannot hold any charge because it is a result of discharge in a battery. It would need to be recycled or converted back to it's original state in order to be able to produce electricity.

You are wasting your time on this.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 16, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
Hi!

@drannom
Keep being as good as you are!!!

@drtesla
I have read somewhere that electret is so good that it recharges itself.
About the electrinium.
The electrinium even if it is not true, it can be done.
The world is made of something that when you desire to build a new creation, it just needs quorum to allow you to get what you and a group wants. That matter or substance or whatever name it has is so powerful that some people have invented some incredible stories about the existance of some situation that at the moment are not true, but it is desired by a group and that force just allow it to become a reality.
So, even if the electrinium is not a reality now, with group desire an experimentation it can be done.
From now on just bring positive thoughts if you are addressing me.
Thank you for your comments.
In this one about that force I cannot be wrong though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 17, 2008, 03:39:56 AM
Hi!

That is the original video with a different name. But it seems to be that the electrinium is formed by any compound used inside a battery and has been used up by the reaction to get aoutside voltage or current.
That makes our task easier if it is true!

Jesus

I decided to keep pursuing my original goal.  !!!!The electrinium battery!!!!




Hi Jesus, the elctrinium is formed by the atoms bonding to form molecules during the electrolysis process. What I am suggesting us that elctrinium sludge has been used in standard batteries (alkaline etc) for years, only the molecules are not in alignment and that is why the battery only produces a small voltage 1.5v . When the molecules are completely in dissarray the dipole collapses and the battery becomes "flat"...most standard batteries are also open circuit when the alkaline solution (conductor) dries and is absorbed by the carbon.


Drannon it's me from youtube! Glad you like my video :) do you mean there is another video going around with a different name? It is the only one I made, if it doesn't have my handle someone copied it lol

Great to see so many "electrinium students" all lining up to create a continuous stream of thoughts!

Stop by mytube and say "hi" if you get a moment...



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 17, 2008, 03:45:56 AM
I found  lots of  silver zinc batterys       

I  don't think that  anyone  makes  silver iron batterys .   
If  you are willing to pay the extra  money for  silver you are going to  also pay the  money for  the other metal that  will give the highest  performance . 

gary


I read that any atomically bonded pairs of metals will do the job, certain pairs are suited to certain applications thats all, maybe silver-zinc will work just as well and is cheaper than silver!



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 17, 2008, 03:58:53 AM
thank you Jesus , that might help, only at room temperature, i do the same in my youtube videos, i have put all my technics to grow perfect potassium alum crystal pyramid

and the first step to play with the electrinium is to create a silver-iron battery to collect our iron-silver compound, after this i do not expect me to cristallize silicon at very high temperature !

so i will create an electrinium unit with glue or cement or whatever else, and it will be just less than one milimiter, so it will be easier like that, the concept is to compress and align 2 atoms or molecules with high voltage at low current and keep them permanently like this

Superlight come from all around us, with the compresse zone you catch more superlight, the alignment will convert some superlight (not all) in electricity

we are at the first step iron-silver compound



Hi Drannon, I think you will need more than two atoms! The voltage drop across each molecule is typically about 1 (one) volt. Having said that, atoms are pretty small theoretically (since no-one has actually ever seen one) so 1mm of electrinium might still produce a reasonable voltage.

The radiant energy is direct electrical energy that comes from our sun!

I think "superlight" comes from God ;)


Regards,


Matt


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 17, 2008, 04:03:00 AM
Electret is not a battery, it is a capacitor. And "electrinium" is not a battery either. It is a joke. Silver (or any other, for that matter) sludge cannot hold any charge because it is a result of discharge in a battery. It would need to be recycled or converted back to it's original state in order to be able to produce electricity.

You are wasting your time on this.


You would think someone going by the name of "Tesla" himself would know better!

lol


Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 17, 2008, 04:06:22 AM


Hey! If no-one makes a silver-iron battery maybe now would be a good time to start....?


Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 17, 2008, 05:35:49 AM
Hello all !

welcome mrcharisma  !

in less than one milimeter there will be near to 1000 or more of iron-silver layers

it will need 7000 volts and more to aligh and compress this little electrinium

i wish that you'll create a silve-iron battery to collect your iron-silver compound

that is the sure easy way

the problem with the silver-zinc is they are not harmonically tune, so the device may self destroy or produce heat, heat and electricity, or electricity if you are lucky

get an heating device is not bad at all !

in the electrinium the Central Sun is described as a black hole, it is not all true, black holes are reemitting the Super Light from One Central Sun (the source, god, whatever)

there are as much black hole as galaxies,  the real Central Sun is out of our galaxy and transfert energy to black holes hyperdimensionnally, black holes are in fact vortexes, and vortexes can transfert energy from any place, and as easily for each black holes

i see my 4 others comments on your youtube ! good



To Dr. Tesla : yes it sound foolish, exept for those one knowing the existence of superlight, then if you compress (with high voltage) 2 atoms together then they will get more superlight than all the molecules all around them (in equilibrium), they will look like shining superlight, then if you can align 2 of such atoms and compressed them (with high voltage), they will transform a part of super light in electricity, it will work only if the 2 atoms allow the flow of electricity in their normal form



Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 17, 2008, 06:26:20 AM

Hey! If no-one makes a silver-iron battery maybe now would be a good time to start....?


Matt

Welcome mrcharisma

Its nice to see another person here .


gary

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 17, 2008, 09:15:46 AM

I have read somewhere that electret is so good that it recharges itself.
About the electrinium.
The electrinium even if it is not true, it can be done.
The world is made of something that when you desire to build a new creation, it just needs quorum to allow you to get what you and a group wants. That matter or substance or whatever name it has is so powerful that some people have invented some incredible stories about the existance of some situation that at the moment are not true, but it is desired by a group and that force just allow it to become a reality.
So, even if the electrinium is not a reality now, with group desire an experimentation it can be done.
From now on just bring positive thoughts if you are addressing me.
Thank you for your comments.
In this one about that force I cannot be wrong though.

Jesus

Sorry, I'll ty again, with all the positivity I have, but you must work with me here too. It's no use being positive and constructive if the listener isn't understanding you: Electret is a capacitor. Electrinium is a joke. Sludge of any material is not a charge holding material. Sludge in this case is a spent material and as such it has given away its charge, and by default it cannot hold charge any more.

You cannot use sludge to make a battery. Might as well use a handful of mud. Playing with cyanide will only reduce you to a dead corpse. If you manage to squeeze it from apples in the first place...that one was a good one. Made me laugh a lot. Cyanide from apples...Try almonds or better yet, peach kernels. You won't succeed because cyanide evaporates quickly and you would need large quantities of kernels pressed to capture some of cyanide in a liquid before it evaporates and makes you sick, or even kill you (subject to quantity used).

But good luck. Experimenting is sometimes better learning process than listening.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 01:48:24 PM
Hi!

@all

Believe it or not. We have a great group of believers now. Even drtesla is important in this great process. Because he will point out some realities that are important.
Everybody is welcome to unite our thoughts to get the greatest force of the universe moving on the right direction, and that direction here is to obtain an electrimium battery. Specifically we want a battery that is energy as a magnet is a magnet.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on October 17, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
Sorry, I'll ty again, with all the positivity I have, but you must work with me here too. It's no use being positive and constructive if the listener isn't understanding you: Electret is a capacitor. Electrinium is a joke. Sludge of any material is not a charge holding material. Sludge in this case is a spent material and as such it has given away its charge, and by default it cannot hold charge any more.

You cannot use sludge to make a battery. Might as well use a handful of mud. Playing with cyanide will only reduce you to a dead corpse. If you manage to squeeze it from apples in the first place...that one was a good one. Made me laugh a lot. Cyanide from apples...Try almonds or better yet, peach kernels. You won't succeed because cyanide evaporates quickly and you would need large quantities of kernels pressed to capture some of cyanide in a liquid before it evaporates and makes you sick, or even kill you (subject to quantity used).

But good luck. Experimenting is sometimes better learning process than listening.

Finally, another sane person. ;)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 04:36:20 PM
Hi!

@koen1

I know that you love to experiment with electrinium like batteries!!
Good Job!
You are a very sane person!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 06:04:08 PM
Hi!

@all
On my search through the internet I have found that the major types of portable rechargeable batteries currently in use are Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) and Sealed Lead Acid (SLA).
I think that I need to get an old non sealed acid battery to make experiments with the sludge to see if I can harden it and If I can, then I need to build a high voltage unit to align the molecules on or in the hardened sludge.
Ideal would be to get a cristall already formed inside the sludge and to use the methods of growing a crystal already mentioned on this site, being the best one drannom's method.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 17, 2008, 06:11:24 PM
Hi!

@all
On my search through the internet I have found that the major types of portable rechargeable batteries currently in use are Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) and Sealed Lead Acid (SLA).
I think that I need to get an old non sealed acid battery to make experiments with the sludge to see if I can harden it and If I can, then I need to build a high voltage unit to align the molecules on or in the hardened sludge.
Ideal would be to get a cristall already formed inside the sludge and to use the methods of growing a crystal already mentioned on this site, being the best one drannom's method.

Jesus

Jesus

In my opinion  a lead acid battery might be  the  worst  choice .
Both positive and negative plates  are lead.
The  stuff that they add to the lead  is what is actually making  the battery  work

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 17, 2008, 06:31:38 PM
sm0ky

Are you assuming that  what you  know about these things is completely accurate?
Do you think you know all that there is to know about these things? 
Is there any possibility   that  what you were taught  about these things was in any way influenced by big energy interests?

One of the things that  I like about the " theorys " in the PDF is that they  strongly imply  the unity  of all .   
I have found  in my own life that there is an invisable  connection  between all things .   
Much of  humanitys  problems  are because  in general  we don't  believe in that connection.


 gary

@ Gary,
                  im not saying that the ideas suggested in the .PDF are not "possible".  Some of the things said there "can happen" under the right circumstances.  I'm just saying the guy that wrote that doesnt know what hes' talking about, yet he seems overly motivated to present this nonsense to the world. i can't help but wonder why..  it does get us thinking along a different track, so in that sense its a good thing he wrote it.
It's apparent that he has not much more than a basic textbook understanding of the atomic structure and is misleading in the way he tries to describe it.
It is likely that this writer 'borrowed' the ideas from someone else, to create this .PDF file,
 if that were to be the case, then seeking the original theory on the subject would be much more benificial than reading this obscure FE propeganda - which in and of itself does nothing to further our cause.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 17, 2008, 06:46:12 PM
Hi!

@all
On my search through the internet I have found that the major types of portable rechargeable batteries currently in use are Nickel Cadmium (NiCd), Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH), Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) and Sealed Lead Acid (SLA).
I think that I need to get an old non sealed acid battery to make experiments with the sludge to see if I can harden it and If I can, then I need to build a high voltage unit to align the molecules on or in the hardened sludge.
Ideal would be to get a cristall already formed inside the sludge and to use the methods of growing a crystal already mentioned on this site, being the best one drannom's method.

Jesus

@ jesus,       
               growing the crystals in a permanent magnetic field may achieve the same result, without the need for a live coil running for several hours.
also, an EMF through the metal compound will perform 2 additional functions - 1 it will charge the compound,   and 2 it will produce a non-constant magnetic influence throughout the substance, as a result of minute fluxuations in the current flow. Both of these factors will affect the electron alignment of the crystal structure.

To overcome these effects, you would need to have a rediculously large field strength (depending on the mass of the compound)  say:   0.87T AT the point of the compound, which would be a 2T electromagnet placed rather close to the project. (which creates its own problems...)
This is why perfect crystals are so expensive...

while not 100% perfect, the crystals COULD BE grown in side a cylinder magnet, or a stack of ring magnets for a much safer / cost effective result. Think about the polarity of the magnetic field with respect to the direction of electron orientation that you want to achieve
additionally this would allow you to control temperature/humidity factors that are also necessary part of crystal formation.


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 17, 2008, 07:45:20 PM

 I'm just saying the guy that wrote that doesnt know what hes' talking about, yet he seems overly motivated to present this nonsense to the world.



SmOkey

The part of  your  post that I quoted   is  exactly the  wrong  kind of thing to  write  if you  want me  to  respect  your  views . 
I am sure  you have a  good education in  these areas  .   
 I am sure you believe that  you    know  enough  to  make these kinds  of statements  with   with convection .
It is not  your  intelligence  or  your honesty  that I question  .  I question  the  education that you  received .
Are  collages   supported by big energy ?  my answer is  YES .
Does  big energy  use  there influence  in collages to have the  curriculum " tweaked ?"  My answer is YES .

If   the  curriculum is tweaked   to explain away  the possibility  of  OU   would you know it? 
My answer is NO .    They have been  doing this sense at  least Teslas time .  The curriculum  has been fine tuned over many years . 

Has  technology  related to energy  grown at the same  rate as other technologys?    My answer is NO .    The tweaking   of the truth  has made  progress almost non existent .



The fact that you  say it is nonsense  or impossible  means nothing to me.
In my opinion a small part of your education was actually  brainwashing .   
It may take  someone like me that you  can  honestly think of as ignorant  to  see the real  possibility's .



As  far  as the PDF .
My opinion  of it  is that  it was probably written  by someone that  worked on  Electrinium  in some way  in the past .   The  technology  was  suppressed or   used only in  secret  areas .

The  first part of the PDF  tells me that the author   looks at the  bigger  picture  about life.
He  would  have felt  very bad about  electrinium  being  kept secret .
It may  have  seemed to him  that it was his  biggest  sin.
An anonymous PDF  placed on the internet  might have been the best he could  do to  relieve the guilt .     I know that if I  had  proven  energy technology    and  wasn't sharing  it  with  the public  I would feel like I was killing my grandchildren .


I might  be  wrong  about  this  stuff .   My education is not  that good  , but I have learned  a few things  outside of school . 
I will continue to work on Electrinium   no matter what the " experts "  say .



gary


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 17, 2008, 09:14:55 PM
Hi!

@gary
Thank you for the information about the lead batteries. I will need now to make another decision about the electrinium source chosen.

@sm0ky2
You said that "growing the crystals in a permanent magnetic field may achieve the same result, without the need for a live coil running for several hours." and "...the crystals COULD BE grown in side a cylinder magnet..."

My question is:
I will put magnets aligned north(+) south(-) for the compound molecules to get aligned as the earth alingment of poles. I mean the compass north, points to the earth magnetic south, and the compass south points to the earth magnetic north.
Am I correct? Or the magnets go the other way around?
I am self taught and did not study theories.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hypersoniq on October 18, 2008, 12:05:14 AM
seriously look into filtered respirators and Cyanide Antidote Kits (Sodium Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate ) before continuing on the Cyanide path...

cheapest antidote kit I have seen was over $400.

and don't work alone! have someone far enough away to be clear of the cyanide (in ANY form) but near enough to come administer the shots if needed.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 03:29:25 AM
the zero point energy molecule !


copper atom collects/stores positive charge.

iron atom collects/stores negative charge.

polymer MAGNETICALLY connects copper and iron.
but ELECTRICALLY disconnects them.
so that coper/iron may charge up, but not short each other out.


two ZPE molecules connected in parallel, increases amperage.
two ZPE molecules connected in series, increases voltage.


if you place a stick of copper,
and a stick of steel,
into a cup of elmers school glue,
than EVERY ATOM on the surface of the copper/steel, counts as a ZPE molecule!


but since the above ZPE molecules are connected in PARALLEL, only amperage stacks!
while voltage stays the same.

that is why i get mroe amperage, for more metal surface area. yet nothing, for more metal mass.



what someone NEEDS to do, is make a crystal lattice.
where each molecule in the crystal lattice, has 1 copper, one iron, held apart by a third atom.
(carbon or silicon?)


to melt glass, ancient people just built a brick/stone oven, and fed fule into it.
the heat built up inside the oven, just like electricity builds up in a capacitor.

until there was enough stored heat in the oven, to melt silicon dioxide into glass.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 18, 2008, 05:23:47 AM

You would think someone going by the name of "Tesla" himself would know better!

lol


Matt

And what are you refering at? Can you be more speciffic?

Kiddo, make sure you get me on something real. I am happy to take the flack for my errors. No one is perfect. At least, if I say something stupid, 'llI admit it. Those "working" on a battery reconditioning process here (and call it so esoterically electrinium...how passe'...) would never do that.

'Coz in essence this whole electrinium thing is about re-conditioning the sludge to hold the charge again. In case you and them haven't noticed. And that has already been discovered and studied by scientists long time ago.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 18, 2008, 05:50:05 AM
I mean, have you experimenters actually noticed that all this "electrinium" biznis is simply about re-conditioning the sludge to re-charge it again?

And what the rat's hat is new about that? In fact, why are you even bothering opening an alkaline battery and playing with the chemicals (which could harm you as well and almost all of enthusiasts here admit not being educated even in basics of sciences needed for such games advocated here. I mean cyanide...come the flack on. Like it is a simple affair to get it, let alone protect yourselves against it...)

Just re-charge the darn thing. Alkaline batteries can be recharged several times over. And if you use a weekender solar panel for that, after a couple of years it will be for FREE ( the recharged energy).

Safely, simply and quick. No messing around with apples to get the cyanide (hell, I cannot stop pissing into my pants on that one!!!!! ), collecting the sludge into cans, growing tomatoes and crystals (hydroponically I gather) and so on.

And after all these great tips, I can still see some sob giving me hard time for "being negative or personal".

One just can't make happy everyone I guess...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 07:33:24 AM
.......the irons atoms magnetic field,
is conducted through the "covalent bond chain" of the polymer/glue.

the iron atoms magnetic field, then "interacts" with the copper atoms diamagnetic field?


how does the "electron magnetic field" of the iron atom,
interact with the "diamagnetic field" of the copper atom??????????


kosol ouch said something about this.

but i think he used a powerful magnetic field from a sinoid coil,
to interact with bismuths strong diamagnetic field?


bismuth works much better than copper.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 07:52:44 AM
......the copper atom has more "etheric pressure", than the iron atom?


so the coppers higher ether pressure, is conducted through the polymer/glues covalent bonds, into the iron atom?


is the coppers diamagnetism, and the irons ferromagnetism, related to etheric pressure????
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 18, 2008, 08:56:31 AM
And what are you refering at? Can you be more speciffic?

Kiddo, make sure you get me on something real. I am happy to take the flack for my errors. No one is perfect. At least, if I say something stupid, 'llI admit it. Those "working" on a battery reconditioning process here (and call it so esoterically electrinium...how passe'...) would never do that.

'Coz in essence this whole electrinium thing is about re-conditioning the sludge to hold the charge again. In case you and them haven't noticed. And that has already been discovered and studied by scientists long time ago.




Dr Tesla!

What you are saying can be easily done (recond. the sludge to hold charge again) by replacing the electrolyte and putting the batteries back on a charger...

NO, the whole electrinium "thing" is about realinging the bonded pairs of atoms in the sludge in series so that the voltage stacks up to produce a continuous charge, and fixing those pairs with a hard permanent substance to create a permanent battery that never needs charging (once it is aligned) and never discharges.

The energy for this charge is garnered from the electrical eneregy the sun emits constantly.

Which it receives in turn from a larger central sun at the center of our galaxy!

The electrical energy from the central sun acting at "right angles" to the energy of our solar sun interacting with the earth's natural magnetic fields is what we call "gravity". It seems to me that the technological understanding in the PDF surpasses our current understanding of technology which is why some people are struggling to come to terms with it. I know this is true because at present not every household has their own working antigravity model yet. Although without a doubt these things will be not only possible but commonplace in the near future.

I learned at college that to be a good student was not to "reproduce" the things I was being taught but to keep an open mind so that learning could be facilitated easily. A closed mind just limits one to the current set of "facts" being presented to it. Of course these facts are not really facts they are just what we have been led to believe is the truth.



If truth is your goal then at least we are on the same team specifically eh kiddo ;)



Matt

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 18, 2008, 08:59:44 AM
I mean, have you experimenters actually noticed that all this "electrinium" biznis is simply about re-conditioning the sludge to re-charge it again?

And what the rat's hat is new about that? In fact, why are you even bothering opening an alkaline battery and playing with the chemicals (which could harm you as well and almost all of enthusiasts here admit not being educated even in basics of sciences needed for such games advocated here. I mean cyanide...come the flack on. Like it is a simple affair to get it, let alone protect yourselves against it...)

Just re-charge the darn thing. Alkaline batteries can be recharged several times over. And if you use a weekender solar panel for that, after a couple of years it will be for FREE ( the recharged energy).

Safely, simply and quick. No messing around with apples to get the cyanide (hell, I cannot stop pissing into my pants on that one!!!!! ), collecting the sludge into cans, growing tomatoes and crystals (hydroponically I gather) and so on.

And after all these great tips, I can still see some sob giving me hard time for "being negative or personal".

One just can't make happy everyone I guess...


...because it is fun to learn new things I guess LOL



Matt :)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 18, 2008, 09:02:44 AM
the zero point energy molecule !


copper atom collects/stores positive charge.

iron atom collects/stores negative charge.

polymer MAGNETICALLY connects copper and iron.
but ELECTRICALLY disconnects them.
so that coper/iron may charge up, but not short each other out.


two ZPE molecules connected in parallel, increases amperage.
two ZPE molecules connected in series, increases voltage.


if you place a stick of copper,
and a stick of steel,
into a cup of elmers school glue,
than EVERY ATOM on the surface of the copper/steel, counts as a ZPE molecule!


but since the above ZPE molecules are connected in PARALLEL, only amperage stacks!
while voltage stays the same.

that is why i get mroe amperage, for more metal surface area. yet nothing, for more metal mass.



what someone NEEDS to do, is make a crystal lattice.
where each molecule in the crystal lattice, has 1 copper, one iron, held apart by a third atom.
(carbon or silicon?)


to melt glass, ancient people just built a brick/stone oven, and fed fule into it.
the heat built up inside the oven, just like electricity builds up in a capacitor.

until there was enough stored heat in the oven, to melt silicon dioxide into glass.



Dear nitinnun,


I love your work and your theories on the copper iron battery. Maybe you are on your way to producing an simplified elemental rod generator? One rod charging positively and the other negatively to produce a natural potential difference...


Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 18, 2008, 09:13:09 AM
I mean, have you experimenters actually noticed that all this "electrinium" biznis is simply about re-conditioning the sludge to re-charge it again?

Just re-charge the darn thing. Alkaline batteries can be recharged several times over. And if you use a weekender solar panel for that, after a couple of years it will be for FREE ( the recharged energy).



Dr.T, how does one go about recharging a crystal?

http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 18, 2008, 09:21:00 AM


And after all these great tips, I can still see some sob giving me hard time for "being negative or personal".

One just can't make happy everyone I guess...


ha ha that's life! what you give is what you get....

at least you are erring on the safe side, lol

(just my little joke)



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on October 18, 2008, 03:13:38 PM
mrcharisma,

If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor. Sludge cannot serve that purpose because you have already taken the charge (free electrons) out of it and forced the molecules to bond with molecules of other material into a new chemical material. Sludge is inert electrically.

And no cental sun in a galaxy far far away, or around the corner, can change that.

Think of an acid and a caustic liquids. Both "charged" with strong abrasive/ dilluting characteristic, but if you mix them together, they cancel each other out and combine into an inert, harmless compound.

Sludge doesn't have any free electrons to move around and as such cannot produce electricity. Electricity is a flow of free electrons, not of aligned atoms and/or molecules. You can only get those back from your sludge if you re-condition it. If you turn it back into the original state - separate the two chemicals used to produce the flow of free electrons and return them into their pre-charge state in order to combine them again in the battery to produce electricity.

If you make electrinium work, or think you can, show us the chemical reaction formula for that proces. If it is possible, it can be expressed as a chemical reaction. And none of methods in the pdf make any sense from that point of view. Cyanide won't create surplus of electrons in sludge. Growing cristals either.

Just as adding water or beer won't separate caustic and acidic liquids.

I do not remember seeing any of these in the pdf file. Surely there will be a good reason for that.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 18, 2008, 03:59:21 PM
Hi!

This thread has become very interesting now that we have a good quorum.

Thank you nitinnun for joining us!

I have a question for mrcharisma. Are you a relative of mattblythe?

Thank you all for being trying to solve the elctrinium mistery.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 18, 2008, 04:05:06 PM
Quote
If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor

align and COMPRESS

Quote
Cyanide won't create surplus of electrons in sludge. Growing cristals either.


NaCN is only to get the first compound of iron-silver

Dr. Tesla please reread the electrinium, obviously you have not get it

from electrinium

Quote
The rule of electrical balance is so important that I am going to repeat It. “The electrical
charge of the atom is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume.” Study this law because what
you read further on will not be understandable otherwise.

Quote
The only difference between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron, the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then the Iron would be the positive.



Quote
Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units.


this topic is for those one believing that superlight can be tune in 2 atoms compressed and aligned with high voltage, and maintain like this with cristallized process, skeptics are welcome to receive the quotations i will provide to them from the electrinium



hey Jesus, magnets will not help doing electrinium unit, it is the high voltage
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 18, 2008, 04:14:15 PM
Hi!

@drannom
Thanks.  Did you see the work of nitinnun?
He says that a crystal lattice is needed. Do you know how to make that?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 18, 2008, 04:46:09 PM
Yes i appreciate very much whatever Nitinnu said

there is many inventions to study, crystal Reid, elemental rods, glue cell, and pyramid power, all of this seems to be a way to catch some superlight

for the skeptics, how to believe in super light

begin with this and and answer your questions then

 http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html

Skeptics are welcome, except for those who have not reread electrinium, and except for trolls, agents of disinformation, and all other name we call them, they work to keep humanity enslaved, the NWO kill inventors, Illuminatis and hybrid-reptilians are among us, most of them are human, claim to know everething and fake to know nothing, they will replace any inventor or mind-controled them

so, the first step is to create a silver-iron battery in the way to collect iron-silver compound, and then play with it

Jesus ! i will focus only on electrinium

and many posts are just, out of topic, even if there is a correlation with electrinium

i will strat a new topic, probably, only to focus on the iron-silver battery and get the silver-iron compound

or i will move back to the steel(carbon-iron)- (gold or platinum) compound, cause in this case the compound is also the body of the electrinium unit


the first step is to create silver-iron battery

and reread electrinium, and reread electrinium, and reread electrinium, and reread electrinium,

if you not, you will look like an idiot, still talking about everything but not about electrinium

i will not get NaCN soon, i will not get an old silver-iron battery as well

so i will take 2 rods, one silver and the other of iron, and shoot a lot of great sparks through them, and try to align some iron-silver molecule

the Reid crystal proove that we are on a good path, the Reid crystal is not enough powerfull as an electrinium will be

so i focus on the electrinium





Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 18, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
Hi!

@drannom
Among other things SuperLight is the prime activating energy in the universe.

I did not know that it was called Superlight.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 11:50:59 PM
my biggest scientific asset, is not my logic.
it is not my linear thinking ability.
i am too right brain dominant, to be good at those two things.


my biggest scientific asset, is my intuitition.
my ability to think in non-linear.
my ability to understand the general picture.
my ability to make connections between 2 important pieces of information.


the things that i type, are sometimes from my personal research/experience.
but most of the time, are from a "feeling" that i get.
a feeling that it is somehow very "important".

what i say is "likely" to be correct on the general, and incorrect on the specifics.
in my experience, the general is usually what inventors have the most trouble solving.



if "you" can recognize the true things in what i say, than you might just have the information that you need, to solve that unsolvable problem that is in your way.
and complete your invention.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 11:54:43 PM
why do you want to use silver-iron, instead of copper-iron?

is it only because silver-iron, is what the author used?


copper is much easier to get.
much cheaper.


i got much more amperage, and even more voltage, from bismuth-iron, than copper-iron.
yet copper is so much easier to work, that i use copper.


by the way. for some reason, steel (iron-carbon), works better than an iron nail (iron).

it is because the carbon in the steel, is diamagnetic? while iron is merely ferromagnetic?
i assumed that diamagnetism and paramagnetism had something to do with it.

because bismuth is more diamagnetic than copper.
and what was why bismuth worked better than copper?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 18, 2008, 11:57:37 PM
atomic weight is set.
so i take it there is no way to increase atomic volume as well?
to increase electrical charge?


if the lighter element is always positive,
than why is bismuth the positive, and steel the negative????

bismuth is atomic weight freaking 83. while iron is only 26 !
so why is the bismuth positive, and the iron negative??????????
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 12:05:15 AM
....running electricity through the crystal lattice, forces copper atoms and iron atoms to align with each other?

such as:

Cu-C-Fe-Cu-C-Fe-Cu-C-Fe-Cu-C-Fe ?



john hutchison said that he ran electricity through his cells, when they were still molten.
he must have done it, to force the positive elements to align with the negative elements!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
.....is that "superlight" really "anti-light"?


do blackholes emit anti-light?
and this anti-light is sucked into suns?

like the light of the sun is sucked into a blackhole?


the negative on a battery, is not an energy void.
the negative on a battery, is full of negative counter-clockwise spin.
this negative energy leaks out of the negative terminal, and into the positive terminal on the battery.



positive energy (clockwise spin), and negative energy (counter-clockwise spin), seem willing to go right through each other.
they only mix together when they are both inside a 3rd thing.
inside physical matter.

the ZPE molecule "catches" both light and anti-light?
and the insulating polymer keeps them from mixing?

what material in the ZPE molecule, catches the light and anti-light?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 12:45:59 AM
Hi!

@nitinnun
Your thoughts are to profound for me. But you are right. I need to grasp the meaning of your words in order to get the answer to the problem that is stopping the progress of my invention.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 19, 2008, 01:38:13 AM
atomic weight is set.
so i take it there is no way to increase atomic volume as well?
to increase electrical charge?


if the lighter element is always positive,
than why is bismuth the positive, and steel the negative????

bismuth is atomic weight freaking 83. while iron is only 26 !
so why is the bismuth positive, and the iron negative??????????

Hello Nitinnun !

the questions in the quotation above can be answer by reading the electrinium.pdf, in your theory you expose 2 different metals not melted, in the electrinium the 2 different metals are melted, so it might not react the same, or just at the opposite

about your other posts: wowwwww, you brain must be supra conductive, well done !

a lot of questions, i can barely answer half of them

so let's take them one by one

you can find many answers by reading all this topic, all the electrinium, and the Superlight link, and some of my previous post since 3 months

the tricks with the lectrinium is to align and compress, compress is very important cause if the 2 molecules are at the same density as before, then it is not good at all

your idea to use copper is good, we just not know if it will work cause of the harmonic between copper and iron, or copper and steel, if the molecular frequency of the pair sounds bad like a bad harmonic then the compound may heat or destroy itself

to catch superlight you have to melt the 2 atoms or molecules in a shorter space as normal in a normal melting, then you break the equilibrium existing among all other atoms or molecules of this universe, so the compound will get more density than normal and create is own pressure

Quote
what material in the ZPE molecule, catches the light and anti-light?

anti-light is superlight according to the superlight link, i will not repeat the quotation from the link, every atoms or molecules catch superlight, it comes from everywhere

according to electrinium when there is a breaking in the equilibrium then the universe create a flow of electricity or a flow of heat to regain equilibrium, so all the atoms and molecule are constantly trying to exchange energy to regain the equilibrium, superlight come from all black holes and there is a lot of black holes, so superlight come from all around us with a pressure, this pressure create gravity by pushing all things together

Nitinnun, you have pointing out a lot of intelligent questions, i am proud of your theory cause your theory can be explain easily with the superlight theory !

let's say that copper have a different density than iron, while each of them received superlight they catch only a part of it, that is the reason why there is a molecular frequency

if you create your glue cell then each metal will shine different frequency of the superlight, you have to use a resonating system to take advantage of the difference in the frequency, that explain why a glue cell is not very powerfull, it is because of the equilibrium ! copper and iron or whatever are all in equilibrium

is you choose 2 atoms harmonically tune and put them together in a shorter volume than normal, then this compound will shine more superlight than all other things around it

Summera said that a lot of combination will work, why not cu-fe !

the problem is to create the copper-iron compound as the same way the silver-iron compound is done

and do not forget to align and compress, the compound is not align neither compress, all of this is done with high voltage, and create something that the nature itself can not do, i means a forced higher density in the combination

i will try to answer you other questions, for now is all i got

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 01:52:04 AM
Hi!

@drannom
You can find nitinniun's thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5851.msg132738#msg132738

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 19, 2008, 02:23:51 AM
Hi!

@drannom
You can find nitinniun's thread here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5851.msg132738#msg132738

Jesus

Jesus !!!  thank you...., i read all the Nitinnun's topics, i have post many time in his topics, so you have not read them all at all, i have always try to explain him the frequency of the CW vortex and CCW vortex, from my point of view those 2 vortexes are a second consequence of the superlight hitting them, the molecular frequency of the atom is the same as the vortex coming from this atom, when 2 fields are opposed then there is vortex between each of them, one vortex spin clock, the other sin counter clock, up to me it look like exactly the superlight theory, in our universe energy exchange by vortexes

and, in electrinium, the first step is to choose the compound we want, M. Summera give us some of working combination

silver-iron is the main compound, to create it we have to create first a silver-iron battery

i keep my mind open to other combinations
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 19, 2008, 03:23:53 AM
mrcharisma,

If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor. Sludge cannot serve that purpose because you have already taken the charge (free electrons) out of it and forced the molecules to bond with molecules of other material into a new chemical material. Sludge is inert electrically.

And no cental sun in a galaxy far far away, or around the corner, can change that.

Think of an acid and a caustic liquids. Both "charged" with strong abrasive/ dilluting characteristic, but if you mix them together, they cancel each other out and combine into an inert, harmless compound.

Sludge doesn't have any free electrons to move around and as such cannot produce electricity. Electricity is a flow of free electrons, not of aligned atoms and/or molecules. You can only get those back from your sludge if you re-condition it. If you turn it back into the original state - separate the two chemicals used to produce the flow of free electrons and return them into their pre-charge state in order to combine them again in the battery to produce electricity.

If you make electrinium work, or think you can, show us the chemical reaction formula for that proces. If it is possible, it can be expressed as a chemical reaction. And none of methods in the pdf make any sense from that point of view. Cyanide won't create surplus of electrons in sludge. Growing cristals either.

Just as adding water or beer won't separate caustic and acidic liquids.

I do not remember seeing any of these in the pdf file. Surely there will be a good reason for that.



Hi MrT,

I hear what you are saying but you are sounding like a text book lesson in electron theory! There is no thinking outside the box. You are saying "if this thing works then make it fit the old model" but the reality is... if this thing works then YOU will have to change your model!

Or change your current way of thinking anyway.

First time I read the PDF I found it very strabge, although I had a good feeling about it. Second time I read it made perfect sense...until I went out into the world and I realised my current thought system could not support this model of thinking. Now having been familiar with the PDF for some time, neither my world nor my thiking are in conflict and YES it still makes sense. Maybe you could try reading it again a bit more carefully? And open your mind to some new ideas...

I do not believe how the "electrinium battery" describes atoms is a chemical reaction.

All atoms have electrons, protons and a natural energy regardless of whether they have been "charged" or not. Bond two atoms of different energetic properties and there is a natural voltage potential (difference in energies) that exists in the relationship between those pairs. Don't tell me ALL molecules therefore cannot have free electrons!!

"Growing crystals!" is just an expression for the way silicon is manufactured for the purpose of integrated circuits! They are not really crystals, just have "crystalline similar" properties. Growing a crystal of silicon is a good way to arrange the atomic pairs into a lattice where they can be "aligned" using a strong current during the molten stage and then fixed in position as the silicon solidifies.

That is my understanding of it anyway, why argue about the theory, why not just go and build one and see if it works? The "permanent crystal battery" suggests that it might. I havn't made one yet so I couldn't tell you if I wanted to...

Water or beer or even piss might help but probably only in the short term :D

Either way it will not stop my research!


LOL



Matt ::)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 19, 2008, 03:27:59 AM

according to electrinium when there is a breaking in the equilibrium then the universe create a flow of electricity or a flow of heat to regain equilibrium, so all the atoms and molecule are constantly trying to exchange energy to regain the equilibrium,

This is how I understand it...well summarised thanks


Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 19, 2008, 03:30:17 AM
mrcharisma,

If you align the atoms to hold the charge, you end up with superconductor.

I do not remember that being how superconductors are made? Certainly not a room temperature anyway? Do you have a new theory you would like to share with the group?



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 19, 2008, 03:34:12 AM

john hutchison said that he ran electricity through his cells, when they were still molten.
he must have done it, to force the positive elements to align with the negative elements!


Sounds familiar doesn't it?


Hi Jesus hows things with you?



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 04:01:06 AM
Hi!

@drannom
By the way. The link I put is not the piramid one he had. It is his new one about molecules and lattices. And yes I read most of his postings. For that I dared to invite him to join us on our quest. That is why he is among us now.

@mrcharisma
I am very well, thank you. By the way. I am still waiting for your next video and information. Matblythe you are the best.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 04:42:11 AM
eventually i decided that there was some critical part of the pyramid, that i was missing.
and i couldn't figure out what it was.
(likely hitting it with the right frequency. or getting 2 copper coils to resonate, like drannon said).

so i lost interest, and did other things.



now i'm facinated with producing a solid state ZPE cell.

and ironically, some of the energy physics that i discovered while contemplating the pyramid, seem to apply to the projects in this thread.


the instant i heard about john hutchisons work, i knew that its energy physics were related to my glue cells.

i think that what he did, was form a "covalent bond chain", that magnetically connects 2 metal atoms.
but does not electrically connect them.


but i think that he made this "covalent bond chain", with silicon atoms.

because in a video i saw, he said that he hunted for "rocks with silicates in them".
which he "mixed with metals".

and mixed with an other unknown substance. which i suspect was calcium atoms and sodium atoms.


(the calcium atoms, would give the cell cement-like hardness.
and calciums paramagnetism, might disrupt the copper atoms protons)

(the sodium atoms, might "cap" the edge of the lattice. making the lattice stable.
and the sodiums paramagnetism, might disrupt the copper atoms protons)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 04:45:19 AM
what i REALLY want to do, is use silicon in place of carbon.
to make something similar to this:

     O
      I
Cu-Si-Fe


this would form a crystal lattice. which would most likely have a very high electrical resistance.
yet would most likely still conduct "magnetism", though the "covalent bond chain" of the lattice.

allowing the above alttice, to work just like a glue cell.



i suspect that calcium atoms and sodium atoms would have to be added to the above lattice.
to "stabilize" its lattice structure.
(to make all the atoms have all of their covalent bonds filled up!)


that special feeling tells me this:

that the more covalent bonds filled up in the lattice,
the more "covalent bond chains" connecting the 2 metals,
the more magnetic conduction between the 2 atoms,
the better that ZPE molecule works!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 04:51:04 AM
remember that even the romans could melt glass, but dumping fuel into a simple brick oven.
until enough heat had "built up" in the oven, to melt even sand into glass.


bricks are VERY resistance to heat. especially if you have a thick enough wall of bricks.

i was thinking of a 2 foot long by 2 foot wide by 1 foot high oven. with a small opening inside, to hold the metals and sand.

and a hand held propane torch, dumping heat into the opening.
and a brick or 2 sealing up most of the opening, when the metals and sand are melting inside the oven.



if you moved quickly with thick metal tools, you could remove the brick lid, and remove the molten copper sand sand.
without your metal tools melting.

you would also have to be wearing a leather welding jacket, and a transparent welding mask. to protect your body from the intense heat., for the few seconds that your body is exposed to the heat.


if spear throwing, phalanx marching, providence conquering romans can do it, than so can we!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 05:01:56 AM
the iron atoms electrons, generate a magnetic field.
the copper atoms protons, generate a diamagnetic field.



.......in the ZPE molecule:

the irons magnetic field, disrupts the coppers protons?

and the coppers diamagnetic field, disrupts the irons electrons?

one atom is disrupting the other atom, as long as the ZPE molecule is whole?


the disrupted copper and the disrupted iron, share each others density/weight?
causing even more disruptance-generated-electricity?

and what did you mean about these disrupted atoms creating their own pressure?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 05:04:04 AM
or could i say that the coppers clockwise spin, is disrupting the irons electrons?

and the irons counter-clockwise spin, is disrupting the coppers protons?


does light from the sun, energize the protons?
causing them to spin clockwise?

and anti-light from a blackhole, energize electrons?
causing them to spin counter-clockwise?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 05:15:05 AM
.....i put 2 sticks of copper into an empty plastic glue bottle.
(there was some residual glue on the bottle)

i filled it most of the way with clean ground water.
(no chlorine or flouride-poison in this water!)



i hooked the 2 copper sticks up to a 9 volt battery. and left it that way for an hour or so.

i just checked it. and the water has turned a vived green color.
which tells me that lots of copper atoms have broken off into it.


i disconnected the 9 volt battery, and checked the multimeter.
this litte "monatomic copper vat", was holding voltage and amperage.

so i shorted out the 2 copper sticks for a few second, and checked again.
and the monatomiccopper vat, is recharging itself!


i think there might be a ZPE molecule-like reaction, between the copper atoms, carbon atoms, and the oxygen/hydrogen atoms in the water.

but i'm leaving the vat shorted out for awhile, to see how long it takes this living-dead recharge rate, to go away.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 19, 2008, 10:11:43 AM
this is the atom allocation that i had in mind.


ironically, the electricity will not be able to travel through the glue, from one terminal to the other.
because the glues electrical resistance will be too high.

it will be the magentism that draws the metal atoms towards the terminals.
only the magnetism of the "charge-up electricity" will travel through the glue, from one terminal to the other.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 05:08:52 PM
Hi!

At the moment I do not have any new information. I am just reading old posts and seeking for a spark to ignite my inventive mind.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 07:47:51 PM
Hi!

@nitinniun
Pardon my ignorance. My question is: What is a ZPE molecule?
I ask because I am trying to understand your posts.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 19, 2008, 07:52:44 PM
Hi!

My mistake. I just found out what does it mean. It is Zero Point Energy.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 19, 2008, 10:51:29 PM
  What is proven is that a crystal has the ability to demodulate visible light into it's constituent frequencies.   So it acts like a radio demodulator circuit for light,  sorting out the different frequencies.  If these sorted frequencies are caused to interfere with each other and produce a frequency or interference pattern at a frequency that is very low and is imposed on an antennae that resonates at this lower frequency, we get direct conversion of light to electricity without relying on hit or miss photon collisions with electron collisions as occurs in photovoltaic cells.
  I am sure that the same mechanism could be used to demodulate and reconstruct lower frequency wavelengths like infrared to microwave or even megahertz or lower frequencies where resonant circuits are employed to charge capacitors.  These crystals would work night and day on any scource of infrared radiant energy like warm sand or warm ocean water.  One guy wrote a book about the Bermuda Triangle and believes that crystallized methane gas converts warm ocean water to microwaves that screw around with compasses and forms a mini aurora borealis effect.  Another guy believes that the pyramids were used to change infrared into sonic oscillations to send the Pharohs to oblivion.   
  I know this isn't electrinium but while you guys are trying to make crystalline structures it would be worth a thought.  Two different crystals.  One to demodulate and the other to hetrodyne the demodulated highfrequency emwave into a lower high intensity frequency that is focused on an input antennae to an electrical circuit caused to resonate at the hetrodyned frequency.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 20, 2008, 12:03:24 AM
i feel tht the people in this forum, make their plans unneccesarily complicated.

their over-complexification sabotages their results.
it makes the results inefficient and harder for others to understand.
and sometimes keeps the results from being discovered, all together.


the best method, is simplicity.
to make something as simple as possible, without losing any of its meaning.

if it is too simple, than add just enough complexity too it, to make it complete.


like this drawing.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 20, 2008, 12:04:58 AM
  What is proven is that a crystal has the ability to demodulate visible light into it's constituent frequencies.   So it acts like a radio demodulator circuit for light,  sorting out the different frequencies.  If these sorted frequencies are caused to interfere with each other and produce a frequency or interference pattern at a frequency that is very low and is imposed on an antennae that resonates at this lower frequency, we get direct conversion of light to electricity without relying on hit or miss photon collisions with electron collisions as occurs in photovoltaic cells.
  I am sure that the same mechanism could be used to demodulate and reconstruct lower frequency wavelengths like infrared to microwave or even megahertz or lower frequencies where resonant circuits are employed to charge capacitors.  These crystals would work night and day on any scource of infrared radiant energy like warm sand or warm ocean water.  One guy wrote a book about the Bermuda Triangle and believes that crystallized methane gas converts warm ocean water to microwaves that screw around with compasses and forms a mini aurora borealis effect.  Another guy believes that the pyramids were used to change infrared into sonic oscillations to send the Pharohs to oblivion.   
  I know this isn't electrinium but while you guys are trying to make crystalline structures it would be worth a thought.  Two different crystals.  One to demodulate and the other to hetrodyne the demodulated highfrequency emwave into a lower high intensity frequency that is focused on an input antennae to an electrical circuit caused to resonate at the hetrodyned frequency.

Sparks

Using  your  ideas   about  demodulating  energy 
Isn't  a diode  often used to demodulate  a radio signal?
In  electrinium   couldn't  the  electrinium  compound  be  a demodulator  and  the  silicon/boron  the  hetrodyning section ?   
It seems to me that you  are talking about  resonance  and  frequency  where the  electrinium PDF  talks  about harmony .   

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 20, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
i just realized something important!


i have 2 sticks of steel, sitting in water.

the resistance is a few k-ohm's.

when i charge the 2 sticks with a 9 volt battery, the resistance becomes so high, that it is unreadable!


when i remove the battery, the resistance becomes SEVERAL m-OHM'S!
and then SLOWLY drops back down to a few k-ohms!


polarized water has increased electrical resistance??????


this is very important too me.
because an electrically resistant substance, allows my ZPE molecule to work.

i think the middle-substance would retain its electrical resistance, if its molecules hardened while in the polarized configuration.



john hutchison's cells cooled off while they were polarized by electricity.
so HIS middle substance would harden into the polarized configuration too!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 20, 2008, 02:32:57 AM
when i used graphite powder instead of glue, there was a much lower resistance between the 2 terminals.
because graphite powder is a conductor.


the voltage was lower.
but the amperage was higher.

the graphite powder was NOT packed tightly. so i was surprised that the amperage was that high.



if lower electrical resistance means more amperage,
than i could get more amperage out of a ZPE cell, by adding conductors to the middle substance?

to sacrifice voltage, for more amperage?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 20, 2008, 02:59:49 AM
Hi!

@nitinnium
I dont know what is happening because:
I was experimenting with two galvanized screws to see if even being the same would be polarity among them. The thing is that if you use a battery charger and put the two screws inside a cup with a pinch of baking soda, one of the screws will keep the negative polarity always and the other the positive polarity always.
The question here is: Will it be posible to align the atoms on the electrinium battery with a battery charger instead of using high voltage to do it?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 20, 2008, 03:15:16 AM
Hi!

@nitinnium
I dont know what is happening because:
I was experimenting with two galvanized screws to see if even being the same would be polarity among them. The thing is that if you use a battery charger and put the two screws inside a cup with a pinch of baking soda, one of the screws will keep the negative polarity always and the other the positive polarity always.
The question here is: Will it be posible to align the atoms on the electrinium battery with a battery charger instead of using high voltage to do it?

Jesus




i would think that even a little voltage, would polarize.

but the more voltage/amperage you have, the "higher the quality" of the "polarized configuration", of the atoms.


learning that polarized molecules have greater electrical resistance, has caused me to came up with an improved explanation, for the polarized-configuration that i want, in my ZPE cell.

i'm still deciding on the best way to express it, in a drawing.

this improved understanding has me very excited.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 20, 2008, 04:07:15 AM
Hi!

@nitinnium
Thanks!
Did you know that there is already a postulate for the prize given by the forum?
This is the link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5864.0

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 20, 2008, 04:23:37 AM
Hi!

@nitinnium
Thanks!
Did you know that there is already a postulate for the prize given by the forum?
This is the link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5864.0

Jesus

Jesus !!

it's only a simulation, why are you saying that!!??


Quote
the best method, is simplicity.
to make something as simple as possible, without losing any of its meaning.

it must be simple to be spread more easily to the world

Nitinnun, you are going at the speed of light, congretulation, you got your fe-cu compound, and yes , has ia said , crystallization may be avoid and replace with a solidification, cement, glue, melted glass, etc ...

Nitinun, if you succeed, then you'll get a more easy way than electrinium itself ! hahahaha

good night
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 20, 2008, 04:30:41 AM
Hi!

@drannom

I said that because under the thread title is wrtten "in overunity prize"
There is another here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5839.0

Jesus
I could be wrong though!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 20, 2008, 04:43:00 AM
Hi!

@drannom

I said that because under the thread title is wrtten "in overunity prize"
There is another here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5839.0

Jesus
I could be wrong though!


jesus !! what are you doing ??

the first link is only a simulation

someone said:
Quote
If this device works for you and you are feeling generous you can donate money to me through Stephen Hartman.

someone said:
Quote
A waste of time for sure

i agree

someone said:
Quote
If you perform simulations - I would suggest that you use more sophisticated models
for the relay coils containing C´s and R´s.
In a relay, part of the input energy is used in the switching process - the simulation
program doesn´t account for that.

i agree


Jesus, and now you give us another topic, what are you doing ???


why are you constantly moving us away from electrinium ?

so, i will look at your second link, and i do not know why......................








Edit: i saw the second link, and it was very very dull, all the secret is keep, it seem just to be a lost of tiime, there are many lost of time in this forum

and you Jesus, have make me loose my time....again

ther are some members paid just to make us loose our time, so Jesus !! please take care

and btw, there is many ways to make a topic dull, talking to say nothing, or talking out of topic, etc



Nitinnun !! keep going, you are a very productive member, you make experiment !!

it's much more than only theorize

hope to reproduce your work soon, if you get some result

good night again

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 20, 2008, 04:49:33 AM
Hi!

@all
Forgive me..
I just was trying to share the joy of finding an overunity device, that is supposed to be of concern to everybody.
I was making experiments a few hours ago, with the electrinium in my mind.
Again, forgive my enthusiasm with the idea of having free energy so close in the near future.
From now on I will only post things related to electrinium.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 20, 2008, 05:17:05 AM
Hi!

@all
Forgive me..
I just was trying to share the joy of finding an overunity device, that is supposed to be of concern to everybody.
I was making experiments a few hours ago, with the electrinium in my mind.
Again, forgive my enthusiasm with the idea of having free energy so close in the near future.
From now on I will only post things related to electrinium.

Jesus


you can post things not related to electrinium, if you want, you take the risk that i ignore you

and i do not believe you anymore, look at all your posts from the beginning, you promised to stop , and, here you have done it again

i am happy that Nitinnun post here twice, cause there is a relation with the electrinium

good night, again, and i hope to not see another lost of time
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 20, 2008, 06:32:48 AM
here is my updated diagram.


if you add many copper/iron atoms, and mix the middle substance VERY well,
than SHEER PROBABILITY will place the copper/iron atoms, where they are useful.



then you charge up both terminals with electricity.

this polarizes the atoms.
so that all of their positive poles are facing towards the negative terminal,
and all of their negative poles are facing towards the positive terminal.

this way, when the copper/iron atoms "harden" into ZPE molecules, the ZPE molecules will send the right charge to the right terminal

this also causes the molecules in the middle substance, to harden into a pattern that increases electrical resistance.



is it or is it not brilliant?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 20, 2008, 12:15:56 PM
Hi Nitinnun

so, all you need is to test some way to keep your fe and your cu in place !

the 2 atoms in the solution are free to move, so that is not a compound in the electrinium mean, it is free atoms in the solution, in electrinium the 2 atoms are fixed together in a shorter volume than normal

it is brillant, and Jesus is brillant too, he show me his intelligence in the potassium alum pyramid.....

the only difference with electrinium is that your fe and cu will not be compressed, only aligned, it may work ! with less power than electrinium, and your solution fe-cu is so easy to do, than the less power will be compensate by the big size of the cell, and the easy way may be just like this

so, it will perform as well, if it is working, many experiment to do

anyone can try any combination, any , this model will not need to be harmonically tune, brillant, indeed

i wonder to know, Nitinnun, if you have read the electrinium.pdf ?

with your system you take advantage of the difference in the molecular frequency of cu and fe to produce energy, those two metals are in equilibrium, in the electrinium we want to break the equilibrium in the etheric field with a compressed compound

you do not need to compress, so it will be easier



Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sirmikey1 on October 20, 2008, 12:40:37 PM
nievesoliveras,
   Try a resonator with diode to your antenna device to see if
this will create a recoil or flyback effect, to charge the capacitors
very quickly, pull energy from the vaccum on demand.  Tesla
demonstrated this effect with his "Tesla Switch", and so this
may work with condensors as well. 

CREATE A VACCUM!

SM 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 20, 2008, 02:00:28 PM


i'm hoping that the copper/iron atoms will be light enough, that they will stay stuck in their place, in the glue.
sort of like feathers floating on and in water, without sinking to the bottom.



i expect the copper/iron atoms to be locked into place, when the glue hardens.

until then, they just need to float in place, in the glue.
while i expose the glue with heat, to dry it quickly.



......does glue compress when it dries?????
ESPECIALLY when the glue dries from heat?????
could THAT be putting pressure on the metals, as long as the dried glue is whole?????


because the water molecules are exiting the drying glue,
and the carbon/hydrogen atoms are COMPRESSING into polymer strands?

so copper/iron atoms in the glue, would be compressed by the glue?????



one of my key concepts here, is that the atoms are connected by covalent bonds.

     H
      I
Cu-C-Fe
      I
     H

that the magnetic energy is EXCHANGED THROUGH the covalent bonds.
that there is an unbroken chain of covalent bonds, connecting the 2 terminals together.

or would the cell work best, if there was compression AND covalent bonds?

or would the compression disrupt/destroy, the covalent bonds?



i skimmed over the electrinium PDF.
but i am very right brain dominant. so asking me to read a MASSIVE amount of words, is as slow, painful, difficult, and boring, as asking me to look for a needle in a haystack.

while moving one straw of hay at a time.
with pliers.....


a left brain dominant person seems to move the hay one large bucket at a time.
and they instantly know when the needle enters in their bucket.
because they can hear the needle clink on the metal bucket.

where i can only SEE the needle with my eyes, when i am holding it in my pliers.
after i have purposely picked the needle up.



when most of the atoms covalent bonds are filled with electrons, you have CRYSTALIZATION.

wouldn't it be better to have a stable crystal, that is at peace?

instead of having a compressed mass, that is waiting to burst like a water balloon?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 20, 2008, 04:08:20 PM
Hi!

@drannom
Seems that I am in too many forums at the same time and I get confused and post things from one into the other.

@sirmikey
I already answered to you on youtube and sent you a booster circuit by email.

@all
I need to straighten up my posts to avoid misunderstandings and to learn what is needed to help others and myself.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 20, 2008, 07:15:46 PM
 @resonc

     I would have to study the PDF to answer your question.  I do know that crystals will create resonant mechanical vibrations due to electrical wave energy input.  These vibrations then alter their resistance to a bias voltage at the resonant mechanical frequency.  The original crystal radio sets exploited this.
   Perhaps electrinium as described in the PDF does convert infrared to a very low frequency output that appears as a dc pulse.  It could be that the PDF is describing neutrino kinetic energy conversion to electrical.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 20, 2008, 10:19:38 PM
@resonc

     I would have to study the PDF to answer your question.  I do know that crystals will create resonant mechanical vibrations due to electrical wave energy input.  These vibrations then alter their resistance to a bias voltage at the resonant mechanical frequency.  The original crystal radio sets exploited this.
   Perhaps electrinium as described in the PDF does convert infrared to a very low frequency output that appears as a dc pulse.  It could be that the PDF is describing neutrino kinetic energy conversion to electrical.

I am  leaning  toward  believing that  the  superlight  theory is  correct .   
I  can't explain  my  understanding  yet .   I tried  a couple of times  and  ended  up  making  very little sense .....  My understanding  is normaly based on  SEEING  the  connections .
My mind is mostly  visual . 
Unfortunately  it looks like the more I learn about  the electrinium  PDF the more  I see it as a shorthand  version  of  the information .   So much is mentioned but not explained. 

One thing I am  getting from it is that  everything  is in perfect  balance .......every  planet  atom  and electron

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 20, 2008, 11:22:14 PM
Howdy Y'all

How did we get to a copper iron battery?

Element   Symbol   Atomic Number
Lithium         Li               3
Iron              Fe              26
Copper         Cu              29
Silver           Ag              47
Gold            Au              79
Plutonium    Pu              94

Didn't Mr. Summera say that the difference in mass of the elements making an Electrinium molecule determines its potential difference?  If you go with a copper iron battery the difference is only 3 protons.  A silver iron battery's difference would be 21 protons.  It would be better to go with a larger potential difference, mo voltage.  A gold iron battery would have a difference of 53 protons.  A gold lithium battery would have a difference of 76 protons.  A plutonium lithium battery would have a difference of 91 protons.

It would take experimentation to see if we can get any of these elements to create a stable molecule.  I think we need to go for a bigger difference in the atomic weight.  I think this is what is determining the potential voltaic difference of the battery function.  Also I have made a molecular arrangement which I think is what Mr. Summera was envisioning.  Remember that he had stated that the silver iron molecules will not bond to the silicon by them selves.  Borozon has to be added to the mixture to convince the silver iron molecules to bond to the silicon atoms.  This arrangement is not scaled, I would like to draw it with a 3D CAD program to help people visualize this molecular arrangement.  Si=Silicon, Bz=Borozon, Fe=Iron, and Ag=Silver...

        +++            +++             +++                     Positive
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
         ---                ---                 ---                    Negative

The borozon atoms are a buffer between the metals and the silicon.  Remember that silicon is a semiconductor and it needs to be isolated from the conductive stacks of metal atoms, otherwise the battery will be internally shorted out.  This is the reasoning for using borozon.  Boron is a nonmetalic element which when combined with nitrogen produces a super hard insulator crystal.  The borozon will bond with the metals and the silicon.  The metals will not bond with the silicon.  This creates an insulated corridor for the Electrinium stacks to reside, and the silicon crystal structure is only structure.  I would love to do this with atomic scale construction techniques.  Build the thing molecule by molecule.  Unfortunately we have to work on a larger scale...

OK, Mo Later...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 20, 2008, 11:30:40 PM
  Superlight could well be pure dispersion force or that force which expands all.
Contrasted to that is concentration force or that force which seeks to unite all.  These two primordial forces creating reality.  Both just as powerful both just as necessary for the survival of the other.  For without the light there would be no dark and without the dark there would be no light.  Here we are stuck in the middle knowing very little bit about the nature of either.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 21, 2008, 01:02:31 AM
  Superlight could well be pure dispersion force or that force which expands all.
Contrasted to that is concentration force or that force which seeks to unite all.  These two primordial forces creating reality.  Both just as powerful both just as necessary for the survival of the other.  For without the light there would be no dark and without the dark there would be no light.  Here we are stuck in the middle knowing very little bit about the nature of either.

Sparks

I am kind of stuck here

I can see that  there is a  force  pushing  the planets and atoms  out to a certain  point.
I can also see that there is an inward pushing .   The  PDF  seems to  describe it  pretty  well . 
I can't  explain  the difference  between the inward and outward forces .

I do see that the  balance  between these 2 forces   has  created  all the universes
all  the solar systems  even all the atoms .
The fact that electrons  jump  from  one orbit  to the next  is  controlled by  the changes in  these   forces . 




Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on October 21, 2008, 03:19:22 AM
But don't forget the observer.

I think especially when you are talking about forces as fine as these you are referring to, you must remember the observer.

IMHO, of course.

I am not suggesting that you should be thinking your electrinium to create itself, it is just that as you are talking about these ultrafine forces and things like superlight, this is the arena of the observer and very delicate.

jeanna
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 21, 2008, 03:19:52 AM
Howdy Y'all

How did we get to a copper iron battery?

Element   Symbol   Atomic Number
Lithium         Li               3
Iron              Fe              26
Copper         Cu              29
Silver           Ag              47
Gold            Au              79
Plutonium    Pu              94

Didn't Mr. Summera say that the difference in mass of the elements making an Electrinium molecule determines its potential difference?  If you go with a copper iron battery the difference is only 3 protons.  A silver iron battery's difference would be 21 protons.  It would be better to go with a larger potential difference, mo voltage.  A gold iron battery would have a difference of 53 protons.  A gold lithium battery would have a difference of 76 protons.  A plutonium lithium battery would have a difference of 91 protons.

It would take experimentation to see if we can get any of these elements to create a stable molecule.  I think we need to go for a bigger difference in the atomic weight.  I think this is what is determining the potential voltaic difference of the battery function.  Also I have made a molecular arrangement which I think is what Mr. Summera was envisioning.  Remember that he had stated that the silver iron molecules will not bond to the silicon by them selves.  Borozon has to be added to the mixture to convince the silver iron molecules to bond to the silicon atoms.  This arrangement is not scaled, I would like to draw it with a 3D CAD program to help people visualize this molecular arrangement.  Si=Silicon, Bz=Borozon, Fe=Iron, and Ag=Silver...

        +++            +++             +++                     Positive
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si-Bz-Fe-Bz-Si
Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si-Bz-Ag-Bz-Si
         ---                ---                 ---                    Negative

The borozon atoms are a buffer between the metals and the silicon.  Remember that silicon is a semiconductor and it needs to be isolated from the conductive stacks of metal atoms, otherwise the battery will be internally shorted out.  This is the reasoning for using borozon.  Boron is a nonmetalic element which when combined with nitrogen produces a super hard insulator crystal.  The borozon will bond with the metals and the silicon.  The metals will not bond with the silicon.  This creates an insulated corridor for the Electrinium stacks to reside, and the silicon crystal structure is only structure.  I would love to do this with atomic scale construction techniques.  Build the thing molecule by molecule.  Unfortunately we have to work on a larger scale...

OK, Mo Later...







copper/iron works well.

bismuth/iron works very, very, very well.

silver is too expensive to be practical. and we NEED it to be practical/simple/cheap.


bismuth is 83.
bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all the stable elements.
(i strongly suspect that diamagnetism and paramagnetism have something to do with the energy physics).

with bismuth, i get about 25% more voltage, and A LOT more amperage.


i still have to try the monatomic sepperation technique, on some of my bismuth.
first i need to wait for the monatomic iron and monatomic copper fats to dry.
and then mix those together.



.......the resistance still decided the amperage?

last night, i had a realization.

that voltage is magnetism that is standing still.
and amperage is magnetism that is moving.

so increasing the resistance in my middle substance, would increase voltage but decrease amperage.

and decreasing resistance in my middle substance, would increase amperage but decrease voltage.



that stuff about the difference in atomin number causing potential, reminds me of my theory about different etehric pressure.
that one metal has more etheric pressure than the other. and this difference causes electricity to form.


what if in my glue cells, there is a little pressure from lots of atoms?
a little etheric pressure due to atomic weight difference?
and a little pressure on the atoms, from the  constructing polymers in the glue?


bismuth/iron sounds exactly like what you want.
bismuth is cheap. only $26 for a very pure pound of it.



the author of that PDF is not perfect.
he was giving us "the best that he knew how to do".

it is less constructive to focus on building his limited goals,
and more constructive to focus on improving on his work.
on finding newer, simpler, more effective goals.

and i definitely feel that there is plenty of room for simplification, in the exotic chemcial concoctions that he talks about.


partly because the best things in the universe are simpler things, and partly because i cannot trust the efficiency of a man who cannot effectively communicate his idea's to other human beings.

he could write on and on about smaller details, yet not find the words to fully explain important things?????????
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 21, 2008, 04:43:49 AM

 it is just that as you are talking about these ultrafine forces and things like superlight, this is the arena of the observer and very delicate.



Jeanna

yes  it is very delicate .

The  hard  part is keeping  my focus  beyond  my physical mind .

gary   










Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 21, 2008, 01:18:50 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Nothing like a crash course in metallurgy...

Element   Symbol   Atomic Number
Lithium         Li               3
Iron              Fe              26
Copper         Cu              29
Silver           Ag              47
Indium         In                49
Tin              Sn               50
Gold            Au              79
Lead            Pb              82
Bismuth       Bi               83
Plutonium    Pu              94

Nitinnun, the bismuth iron battery would have a difference of 57, that's good.

I was thinking about something that is already this type of alloy.  Tin Lead solder might provide a experimental starting point.  A solder battery?  Tin Lead would have a difference of 32 which is even better than the silver iron battery (21).

I have been thinking about how we could polarize the alloy.  We make a small wooden trough with two solder terminals.  This trough is going to hold a slug of solder.  Use a soldering iron to melt solder into the trough, and fill the trough attaching to both solder terminals.  Then we apply a current through the slug, remelt the solder while the current is flowing, then allow the alloy to cool while the current is flowing.  This should make the solder polarized.  If the theory is correct, then the polarized solder should generate a voltage.

I am visualizing a wood trough with solder terminals that are secured to the wood so they don't move when the solder slug is melted.  We would have to make sure that the current is uninterrupted during the remelt process.

This method will not produce a product, but it may give us experimental proof of concept...

I am good at soldering, and have the right tools so I give the solder battery a try...

OK, Mo Later...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 21, 2008, 01:30:49 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Nothing like a crash course in metallurgy...

Element   Symbol   Atomic Number
Lithium         Li               3
Iron              Fe              26
Copper         Cu              29
Silver           Ag              47
Tin              Sn               50
Gold            Au              79
Lead            Pb              82
Bismuth       Bi               83
Plutonium    Pu              94

Nitinnun, the bismuth iron battery would have a difference of 57, that's good.

I was thinking about something that is already this type of alloy.  Tin Lead solder might provide a experimental starting point.  A solder battery?  Tin Lead would have a difference of 32 which is even better than the silver iron battery (21).

I have been thinking about how we could polarize the alloy.  We make a small wooden trough with two solder terminals.  This trough is going to hold a slug of solder.  Use a soldering iron to melt solder into the trough, and fill the trough attaching to both solder terminals.  Then we apply a current through the slug, remelt the solder while the current is flowing, then allow the alloy to cool while the current is flowing.  This should make the solder polarized.  If the theory is correct, then the polarized solder should generate a voltage.

I am visualizing a wood trough with solder terminals that are secured to the wood so they don't move when the solder slug is melted.  We would have to make sure that the current is uninterrupted during the remelt process.

This method will not produce a product, but it may give us experimental proof of concept...

I am good at soldering, and have the right tools so I give the solder battery a try...

OK, Mo Later...




you say that copper-iron are only 3 atomic numbers apart.
yet they have worked very well for me.

bismuth-iron works better. but not THAT much better, than copper-iron


it works better with some elements, than other elements.
my experience has been that degree of diamagnetism, and degree of paramagnetism, are important factors.


tin-lead solder would not work. because rin-lead does not have enough electrical resistance.
.
the middle material has to have enough electrical resistance, to keep the positive and negative terminals electrically sepperate.


it is true that polarizing something, increases electrical resistance.
but i doubt polarization would give tin-lead enough resistance, to allow it to work.

i doubt that polarization could give ANY metal alloy enough electrical resistance, to make it work.



that is another reason why we need a substance with a crystal lattice. because a crystal lattice usually has more electrical resistance.

in addition to the greater chemical stability of the crystal lattice.

and all the covalent bonds, through which to conduct magnetism from one terminal to the other terminal.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 21, 2008, 01:36:39 PM
Howdy Nitinnun,

Well as far as the crystal lattice goes, there is nothing more common than silicon, or silicon dioxide.  Glass, quartz, regular sand, or pure silicon all require high temperatures to work with.  Drannom is using salts, what about sugar.  The melting point of sugar is not that far off from the melting point of soft metals.  Candy battery anyone?  Well, anyway maybe we can find some insulator which is easier to work with than silicon.

Mo Later...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 21, 2008, 01:55:09 PM
i'll try making sugar-cells in my kitchen oven, later.



if we built a small brick oven,
and heated it with a hand held torch,
than we might get materials hot enough, to covalently bond.

maybe 1 substance with a lower melting point, could bond to 2 other substances with a higher melting point?


i don't know how that type of chemistry works. i'm just throwing out idea's.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sparks on October 21, 2008, 04:44:46 PM
    @Drannom

    Did you ever employ sodium chloride?   Electrodialysis equipment can give you a pretty concentrated stream of sodium and chloride ions.  Now you take these solutions and put a thin glass wall between the two solutions and slowly evaporate the water, the ions should be attracted to the glass wall.  Problem being is that the elements are so strongly charged they will react with the oxygen or hydrogen in the water and burn at some concentration.   Burning saltwater. Hmmmm  Well anyway the two cells should become strongly charged as the water is removed.  Can this charge resulting from ion seperation pump some electrons around?  Anyway this unit starts to look like Electrinium.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 21, 2008, 09:25:09 PM
Hi Spark

i have never try it, it seems very interesting, sounds like electrinium without alignment and without compression, sounds much more like Nitinnun's theory !

Sparks, i have a clear picture of the electrinium theory cause i have understand this link on superlight




 http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/milewski_describes_magnetoelec.html

also i have read many books talking about Central Sun, spiritual book


hi  z_monkey


according to the electrinium, that is not the difference in weight that we are looking for, we are looking for a difference in density

from electrinium.pdf

Quote
The rule of electrical balance is so important that I am going to repeat It. “The electrical
charge of the atom is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume.” Study this law because what
you read further on will not be understandable otherwise.

Quote
The only difference between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron, the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then the Iron would be the positive.

@all

i agree that Summera is not perfect with the theory, he is a follower of Tesla, Summera is good  to create an electrinium, like many inventor he is not fully understanding where the energy come from, but knowing how to make it come

Nitinnu

the electrinium is not so long to read, just very long to figure out or imagine

hey, Nitinnun, i suggest you if you fail to try to evaporate the solution with your fe-c-cu-h compound to get sort of sludge, get out the water first

then mixte this sludge with some glue, sugar, or whatever else

then put a high voltage on that mixture while cooling or solidification of the mixture

it's the high voltage that can compress and align  to atoms of different density in a smaller space, and something to keep it like this



wellllll in conclusion


so it's the difference in the density , and no matter the atomic weight

best choice are, silver-iron, steel-gold, steel-platinum, and i agree to try to chose anything else !

hahahah see you


 

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 22, 2008, 11:13:38 AM
i need to know what frequency each element emits.

specifically the frequencies of copper, iron, cobalt, nickel, bismuth, lead, carbon, oxygen, and silicon.


it is very important.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 22, 2008, 11:59:44 AM
Hi Nitinnun !

i think you are right to use iron-copper cause

from electrinium

Quote
But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then the Iron would be the positive.


when he says ''lighter'' he was talking about the lighter density, in fact that is not density at all, cause he multiply weight by volume !!!


i can not provide you the frequency of each metal, i can only repeat that you need to calculate the volume of the atom or molecule, and then multiply it by the weight, so from my point of view you need the density of iron and compare it to the density of copper, cause that is the difference that gives the potential, i suspect copper to be less in electrical charge than iron

we know all the weights, then we need to calculate the atomic volume !

(weight x volume) does not equal to the density, but something else ! the electrical charge !

when i was talking about difference in frequency i was not refering to electrinium, i was refering to your theory, now i think that if fact, the same rule of electrical charge (weight x volume) shall be apply to your theory



welll in conclusion, i was wrong talking about density, sorry
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 22, 2008, 02:21:12 PM
Hi!

@all
For the time being I am just the observer.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 22, 2008, 02:35:53 PM
Hi!

Just for reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: gyulasun on October 22, 2008, 03:57:47 PM
Hello Folks,

Sorry to chime into this thread but I have seen an interesting patent application mentioned in Naudin's yahoo group and maybe it is of interest for you too.  It is US patent application 20080246366:

ELECTRIC GENERATOR

Abstract
Methods, compositions, and apparatus for generating electricity are provided.
Electricity is generated through the mechanisms nuclear magnetic spin and
remnant polarization electric generation. The apparatus may include a material
with high nuclear magnetic spin or high remnant polarization coupled with a
poled ferroelectric material. The apparatus may also include a pair of
electrical contacts disposed on opposite sides of the poled ferroelectric
material and the high nuclear magnetic spin or high remnant polarization
material. Further, a magnetic field may be applied to the high nuclear magnetic
spin material.

You can download from here: http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20080246366.pdf

All the Bests, 
Gyula
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 22, 2008, 04:08:19 PM
Hello
i have quoted some sentences from the electrinium while i was rereading it, just to think about


COSMIC RADIANT ENERGY
and the
ELECTRINIUM BATTERY
The solid state, high voltage
battery that is electric, like
the magnet is magnetic.
First Printing July 1980
Second printing Aug. 1980
Copyright © 1980
By
Arthur P. Summera
850 North 28th Street
Springfield, Oregon 97477


Chapter 1
COSMIC ENERGY AND NIKOLA TESLA


We will see that the Earth is a living entity and is controlled by the natural laws of the Universe through the four forces of Cosmic energy which are electric, magnetic, gravity and gyroscopic; all of which are products of the Central Sun of our galaxy.


It reveals new laws of the Universe and basic principles which allow man to completely
change in every field of life. This invention is the Electronic Shield by Nikola Tesla. Through new laws of the Universe and new knowledge of Nature discovered and demonstrated by Mr. Tesla has come and will come inventions of greater importance than The Shield. He has laid the basis for the Electrinium Battery, the Gravitational Shield, the Multiple Wave-Length Generator, the life Force Scanner....

Our Earth receives AC current from the Central Sun and DC current from our Solar Sun at right angles to each other. These two forces meeting at right angles to each other create the magnetic field and the force of gravity.

meeting at right angles to each other

This has been further proven by our astronauts who report that outside our atmosphere there is not only weightlessness but that the Sun has no heat nor light and that heat and light occur only after the radiance of the Sun contacts Earthly matter.


Chapter 2
THE POWER OF THE ATOM

The rule of electrical balance is so important that I am going to repeat It. “The electrical
charge of the atom is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume.” Study this law because what
you read further on will not be understandable otherwise.

Chapter 3
NATURE’S USE OF ENERGY

We know that each atom is alive with electrical force and radiates that force in all directions.

We know that heat causes expansion of atoms which under the law of electrical balance throws the heated atoms out of electrical balance with cool atoms. This will cause electrical force to flow from the cool atoms to the hot atoms. The force given up by the cool atoms must he replaced by their neighbors. This becomes a chain reaction and a circuit of flowing
electricity is established.

This has happened many times in far past ages and ancient records tell of great cataclysm, of walls of water sweeping from pole to pole. Of the Earth shaking the ice fields free from the poles and washing it down over the lands to sweep all life clean of the Earth. There are records of great general earthquakes, the slaking of entire continents and the raising of new ones. Just outside Mexico City are three burled cities built on top of each other. Each was destroyed by a water cataclysm and the following city built atop the old. This shows that the land at that time was near sea level. Today it is seven thousand feet above sea level.

These catastrophes have been accredited to an act of God, but they were acts of nature working
under the natural laws of the Universe. A cataclysm is caused when the magnetic attraction
between the Earth, the Solar Sun and the Central Sun become out of balance. Our Solar Sun being
the closest, pulls the Earth towards it. At the point of twenty-three and a half degrees from the due
north the balance again changes, the Sun loses its power to hold the Earth off center and the Earth
lurches back into position. It is this quick lurch that spills the oceans over the land and swoops it
clean of all life for a new start. The last time it happened it broke all the ice deposits loose around
the North Pole and washed them down over North America. The great Ice Age that was supposed
to have, occurred twelve to sixteen thousand years ago wasn’t an ice age at all. It occurred almost
instantaneously by a cataclysmic action of the Earth. At the same time a great wall of water rushed
from the South Pole over the other side of the Earth, washing all life ahead of it into the Arctic
Ocean. The Arctic Ocean is a graveyard of past life and it happened so quickly that many of bodies
were quickly frozen and when dug up today are in perfect preservation.


Mother Nature is a wonderful mother, but when her laws are consistently broken ski can become
a terrible destroyer. These great catastrophes were not direct acts from the Solar Sun, the Sun only
activates the natural forces stored within the Earth and it only takes a small amount of force from
the Sun to set these forces into action.
The energies stored within the Earth and its atmosphere are electric, magnetic, gravitation and
gyroscopic, all originating in the Central Sun.

Chapter 4
SOLAR RADIATION

Heat and light are both products of electrical energy flowing through a field of resistance,

T h e
Central Sun radiates AC current and our Sun acts as a converter and radiates DC current to our Solar
System. Each element of the Sun will radiate energy in its own particular wavelength. An atmosphere
made up of a particular set of elements will have various resistances to various wavelengths.


T h ey believe it to be a substance not yet discovered and defined. The Greeks called
it orgone energ y, the Europeans thought it some kind of a etheric fluid and the Hindu philosophers

called it prana. Today we know it to be AC electrical current pulsating in an extremely high kilocycle
range. The Central Sun is the heart, and its radiance is the blood vessels of our Galaxy.
Through this radiance comes all life and energy for the entire Galaxy.

Chapter 5
NATURE’S STOREHOUSE

Nature has stored great quantities of solar radiation within the crust of the Earth. Each atom carries
its share but certain atoms will give up or exchange energies faster than others. Carbon and other
related elements will hold great quantities of heat energy. Iron and other related elements will h o l d
great charges of magnetic energ y.

Earth that utilizes Carbon Dioxide as a life force receives their
energies directly from solar radiation. All life that utilizes Oxygen as a life force receives their
energies from Nature’s storehouse within the crust of the Earth.

The actual burning process did not produce the heat. The heat was produced by the
freed and escaping electrical forces passing through a field of resistance which was the air that
surrounded the log. Light a candle and watch it burn. The light, heat and flame are out a considerable
distance from the wick. The radiance of any object is a considerable distance out from the object.
Nothing is ever quite as large as we see it because we can see only its radiance. If an object ceased
to radiate we then could not see it.


The tank warms considerably as it is filled to a hundred and twentyfive
pounds of pressure, but when full and the liquid spills out of a small valve, it immediately
frosts up the va l ve. As the tank is filled and the contents come under pressure there is a considerable
flow throughout the tank because each atom under pressure needs greater electrical charge to
maintain its electrical balance. The valve is frosted by cold created by escaping atoms giving up
an electrical charge they no longer require.

Chapter 6
THE MAGNETIC FORCE


For every force in one direction there must be an equal force to the opposite. However, in the
electromagnetic field the two forces are at a ninety degree angle to each other rather than a hundred
and eighty degree angle. This electro-magnetic force is stored in the Earth in great quantities and
both operate under the same laws of the Universe. Up to the time of the demonstration of the
Electronic Shield by Nikola Tesla and his revelation of the true nature of electro-magnetic energy they
were regarded as two separate forces consisting of unrecognized and undefined substances.


The AC radiation of the Central Sun penetrates the Earth in a north to south direction and also
produces a magnetic field within the Earth and this force is stored within the Earth’s core and
becomes the force of Gravity. An AC current alternating at an extremely high cycle will create a
magnetic field that is different from a magnetic field created by direct current. In a bar magnet the
energy flows from one end to the other and then out over the air space to its starting point. In a
magnetic field created by an ultra-high cycle AC current the force of the field is within the center
of the field. Any point on the outer perimeter could be designated as a south pole and the center
of the field the north pole. This phenomena was described by Mr. Tesla as a hysterical magnetic
field. This field is the force of gravity which shaped and formed a cloud of atomic dust into what
is know as the. Earth.


In our galaxy we have nine planets circling the Sun on an eclipse pathway. The pathway for each
planet is set and governed by the law of “attraction-repulsion,” and the pathway is the center of
balance between the two. Each planet has its own magnetic field and the force of that field is governed
by the law of electrical balance. It is equal to its weight multiplied by its volume. Being
magnetically charged in this manner each planet has a magnetic field with “attraction-repulsion”
properties which forces it into a pathway that is different from any other planet. The nucleus of
an atom contains the pattern for its size, shape and nature. All bodies of the Universe have a nucleus
and from that nucleus each body is formed and no two are exactly alike. The nucleus of our
solar system is within the Sun and the nucleus of our galaxy is within the Central Sun which lies
in the center of the Milky Way. In every one of these bodies, be it the atom, the Earth, the solar
system or the entire Milky Way, the same laws of Universal balance prevail and through those
laws of Universal balance the harmony of the Universe is established.


Chapter 7
WAVELENGTH AND HARMONY

This may seem quite complicated but it really isn’t. If we look upon the Earth as one grand
s y m p h o ny orchestra, consisting of atoms and molecules, of which each is perfectly tuned to a
p a r t i c u l a r vibration. The director of this orchestra would be the nucleus of the Central Sun who
selects the score of music to be played. The Central Sun would control the time or beat through
the magnetic fields of all heavenly bodies, the movement and change of position and the timing
of each event in the music score. Our solar sun furnishes the energy for each atom and molecule
to respond in perfect harmony. The music pours forth from the heavenly bodies in harmonious
heavenly music.

Chapter 8
MAN’S USE OF ELECTRO-MAGNETIC ENERGY


The energy from this same storehouse is available to man free of charg e
in vast quantities by a simple method of changing the electromagnetic balance.

Iron is the best known magnetic element and it is to the magnetic fi e l d
c o m p a r a b l e to Carbon in the electrical field. T h ey will both trade energy fast and easy.

The physical construction of a unit that is electric like a magnet is magnetic is just as simple as
making the magnet. The finished unit will be similar to the magnet in all physical ways. It can be
made of many different materials in any size, shape and form It will be of solid state, extremely
hard, never get discharged, never wear out-just like the magnet. Its manufacture is so simple a n d
easy that within most cities, states, and countries of the Earth there will be found citizen technicians
who could form a small group for production in the immediate future.


Chapter 9
THE ELECTRIC UNIT

To produce a Unit invo l ves two steps. In the first step we must produce a compound that is electric
like Iron is magnetic. Within this compound the electric forces must be like the magnetic forces
in Iron, complete forces consisting of electrical forces with both the positive and negative in each
and every molecule. Within the mass the electrical forces will follow the law of “like poles repel,
unlike poles attract,” and form small circles of electrical energy going around and around in small
circles, like the magnetic forces in Iron.
The second step would be to encase this electrical material within a very hard body, similar to
the body of a magnet and align the electrical bodies in lines of a series with the positive in one
direction and the negative to the opposite in the same manner as in production of the magnet. The
first units will no doubt be of high voltage until a rigid system of proportioning is developed in
producing the second stage. Then units can be made to be cut into slices or platelets of a definite
voltage and assembled into batteries for all different usages of today.


If you have studied these chapters to the point of understanding how life and energy is a
product of Solar Radiation, the following chapters will be easily understood and the construction
of an Electrinium Battery simple and not too hard to make.


The only difference
between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical
charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and
their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron,
the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then
the Iron would be the positive.


Electrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.


There are ove r
one hundred elements of the Earth and in time many combinations will be formed and bodies found
for them, but at this time only a few can be considered. One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord. The great violence of some chemical
r e a c t i o n s is really the electrical reaction caused by the vibrations in great discord.


The vibrations
of the positive and negative elements must, when compounded, yield a Compound that will be in
harmony with the life vibrations of the material selected for the body of the Unit.

The expansion
contraction factors must be near enough to each other that in the finished Electrinium Unit the
Electrinium molecules are tightly encased. If, in the cooling process, the Electrinium Molecules
contract more than the unit body material leaving the Electrinium molecules loosely held, the
compound must be discarded.
In a finished successful unit the Compound molecules will be held
within the Unit like in a straight-jacket. The Unit will be of an extreme hardness and of good to
excellent conductivity. A Unit of poor conductivity will heat and destroy itself.

When combining two diverse elements of positive and negative material the first problem we
encounter is the force of grav i t y. Although there is great attraction between the positive and
n ega t ive and the negative to the positive the force of attraction is slightly less than the force of
gravity. In a simple mixture they will separate and the heavy will sink to the bottom with the
lighter on top. This same problem occurs in other processes of making various compounds and is
overcome in many ways. By using a flux, by adding a catalyst, through homogenization, the
electro-plating process and others. In the electro-plating process an outside force is used. This same
process can be altered so as to operate without outside force and is known as the electro-chemical
process. It is a slower process because its action is governed by the forces within. In many cases it
is known as corrosion but the operation of a storage battery is an electro-chemical process.
In the storage battery of today a positive atom must unite with a negative atom to change the
electrical balance before a flow of electrical current can take place. When this happens there has
been produced a compound molecule that is Electrinium Compound if it is of a physical nature
that it could be straight-jacketed within an Electrinium body and aligned in a series. Throughout
this past century millions of storage batteries have been made of a great variety of materials and
many of these old worn out batteries contain in the bottom of the case a sludge that is pure
Electrinium Compound.

The body of the Unit could bc made from a number of materials such as steel, Silicon,
Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit
designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage,
so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to
m a ke. By using the steel as the nega t ive and Gold or Platinum as the positive, to make the
c o m p o u n d the compound becomes the body. All that remains to be done is to shape the body,
harden it and organize the electrical forces in a series. Both Silicon and Germanian could be used to
p r o d u c e Units for battery construction of all types.

Chapter 10
THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT

Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units.

We are now ready to make our first Electrinium Unit. Our goal is to produce a Unit of any size
and of any Electrical capacity that is a success and is electric like a magnet is magnetic. We have,
through the use of the battery process, made a sufficient quantity of Silver-Iron Electrinium
Compound. The next step is to combine it with the Silicon and from this mixture grow a Silicon
Semi-Conductor crystal.

In melting ore so as to separate the Gold, Borax crystals are used as a catalyst and in the
fi n i s h e d smelt all of the Iron and other minerals other than the Gold are interspersed within the
Borax crystals with the Gold lying on the bottom. Gold and Silver are a harmonious pair of
e l e m e n t s and their life vibrations in harmony with each other.We could use Borax crystals but in
the finished Silicon crystal the electrical lines of conductivity may be broken by the Borax which
runs counterwise to the Silicon. To correct this we will add another element which is found and
mined in a natural combination with Boron and that combination is Borozon. Borozon is a Boron-
Nitride mineral, of cubical crystallization, hard as a diamond and is mined in South America.
When uniting the Silver and Iron into compound molecules, each molecule is no doubt composed
of one silver atom and two or more Iron atoms. The electrical attraction between the Silver and
Iron atoms is so great that once they are united heat will not separate them except in an extreme
case where the Silver becomes vaporized. If it becomes necessary to go to a much higher heat in
the latter part of the project than is now planned, Gold could be substituted in the place of the
S i l ve r. How eve r, the Silve r-Iron molecules can be combined with the Borozon crystals and the resulting
Silver-Iron-Borozon molecules will then, when added to the Silicon, produce a homogenous
solution.

Chapter 11
ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL OF A UNIT

By uniting all the positive-negative atoms into compound molecules the entire Unit is
composed of a compound that is of a greater force surrounded by a lesser force. There is no way
this force can be blocked by a greater force because it is greater than any natural force used in
electrical circuits and it is being constantly reinforced by Solar radiation and therefore cannot be
diminished or discharged.

In the Electrinium Unit all of the electrical producing material is Silver-Iron molecules and each
and every one of them will have seven volts of energy. When the Unit was organized electrically
they were organized into lines of a series. These lines will stretch from one end of the crystal to
the other and every molecule within each line will furnish seven volts of energy. If the crystal is
ground square, one inch by one inch by five inches and we have incorporated within it enough
Electrinium Compound to enrich it to a density of one thousand molecules per line in each inch
of crystal, each line will have five thousand molecules and the crystal will operate at thirty-five
thousand volts. If we have attained perfect homogenization through our Borozon and heating
process and the molecules are interspersed in a perfect density pattern, there will be as many lines
of a series in the crystal as there are molecules in a line per inch. Therefore, the crystal has one
million lines consisting of five billion molecules operating at thirty-five thousand volts.


Chapter 12
OTHER FACETS OF A GEM

This demonstration by Mr. Tesla is like a huge diamond and it has many more facets than any
one man could investigate. Electrinium Energy is only one facet. Next to it is the gravitational
shield and energy for interplanetary travel. Lying just beyond is the wavelength-vibration scanner
along with the multiple wavelength generator and many other facets not yet identified. Most all
of the knowledge which this most wonderful man left with us now lies in limbo, but during the
new century we are preparing to enter, it will come into use and completely change life for future
generations to come.

Since gravitation is created by the two Cosmic Forces crossing each other at a ninety degree angle, if one were shielded gravitation could not exist. The shield could be made in an umbrella shape shingled with semiconductor material that collects radiation and defects it out over the edge of the shield.
Everything below the shield, down to the point of where the defected lines of energy conve rg e
would become weightless.


I wonder how long it will be until some young man makes one of these weightless machines
and learns to fly it with Cosmic Energy. By using the cosmic shield in a manner somewhat like
the sails on the old time schooners, the force of the Cosmic energy would be quite strong on a
weightless object. In a hovering position the shield would be held to a ninety degree angle to radial
e n e rg y, but when tipped to a forty five degree angle to the radiant energy would give strong pushing actions towards the sixty degree angle and an equal force from the magnetic side would give an equal force against the shield. These two forces applied against a weightless object should give it great speed and maneuverability. I wonder if the pyramids and other great monuments of the ancient world weren’t made with the use of the shield mounted upon some kind of an aircraft. With this shield we too could build monuments.


Chapter 13
CONCLUSION


nothing to report
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 22, 2008, 07:16:23 PM
Hi!

It seems that the must applied students on the electrinium process are you!!!

@gyulasun
You must present the information in another way or they will ignore you.
You have a good point about the semblance of that generator to the electrinium battery the only thing that I find difficult is the materials and the fact that that battery needs an LC circuit to work.
But for the group to know what you are talking about I made an edited graphic so the members can see the idea you brought. Maybe it is important.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 22, 2008, 07:42:20 PM
Howdy nievesoliveras and gyulasun,

OK, you have a battery sandwich made from rubidium oxide and platinum.  That sounds expensive.  What is the ferroelectric?  Iron?  Maybe the inductor is to choke the high frequency oscillations from the stack.  Moray's radiant energy receiver would fluctuate with the electromagnetic "tide" as he called it.  This "tide" was high frequency oscillations that came in waves.  There is a link to a chapter of a book by Moray somewhere in this thread.  Both Moray and Tesla toyed with capturing cosmic rays as an energy source.  This is what I think Gyulasun's device from the patent, Electrinium, the Crystal Power Cell, and the Elemental Rods are doing.

If you think about this concept in a more mundane sense every plant on Earth is solar powered.  That means all our fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds are produced by solar energy.  If you eat any of these things YOU are solar powered.  So why should it be such a difficult thing to produce electricity directly from solar energy...

OK, Mo Later...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 22, 2008, 07:42:55 PM
Hi Jesus

Quote
It seems that the must applied students on the electrinium process are you!!!

i guess you are talking about me, well thank you

in fact i am interest in everything looking like an electrinium, but i focus only on the electrinium

my english skill is not allowing me to be the leader of this topic

my lack in english has forced me to read the electrinium at  the slowest time possible

taking my english dictionary in most of the sentences of this little book

and i know that the way to understand someone like Summera, we have to pronounce all the words, this way we can almost hear him, feel his vibrating level

i am here since one year, soon i will be able to communicate much more easily

each time i have to post, i can just not stop me to do that

so i am NOT the best student that Summera got, in fact due to the monkeeness of my brain, i have to read electrinium 6 times

i am a poor specimen of the humanity

see you
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 22, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
Hi!

@zmonkey
You know that I offered to buy a battery from you. I still think that you has the knowledge to accomplish the task of replicating the electrinium battery, it is just the lack of funds that stops you. And I think that that is what is happening with must of the other members.
Another thing is that if you send for some metals the goverment does not allow them to pass through mail. I am sure that you are a knowledgeable peson.
I tried to build an electricity generator with a couple of ounces of radium and I sent for the radium metal, and after my payment was accepted by the chemicals company, they sent me an email that my purchase had to be approved, that i had to wait 12 days for the answer. There was no answer. The money was refunded to my card. Meaning that it was not approved.  The graphic or photo of the device was so clear and understandable that I jumped to make it. I understand.

@drannom
I also learned english by trying to understand processes written in english with an english dictionary. The only problem i still have is with the spoken english. I can write it and read it almost to perfection, but when comes the spoken part must of the time I cant understand the first time, I have to rerun it several times to grasp what is being said.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 22, 2008, 08:18:27 PM
Hi!
@zmonkey
You know that I offered to buy a battery from you.
Jesus

Howdy Nievesoliveras,

Yeah, that was on page one of this thread.  Were still looking for a cost effective way to produce the Electrinium.  Either that or get a whole lotta funding.  I saw that Radium generator also.  I think it was Pese that brought it to this website.  That looked simple to build.  This is how the forces of darkness keep us down.  Deny the knowledge, deny the materials, and of course make their power very easy to get, just plug in and let the meter run.  Blech...

Persistence in this matter will payoff eventually...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 22, 2008, 11:20:29 PM
Hi!

@zmonkey

I know that we will find something. I will keep looking.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 23, 2008, 12:59:32 AM
everyone. i made one hell of an important discovery.


i placed bismuth and iron in glue.
i got 0.780 volts, at 400 uA.
as usual.


i stuck a small piece of copper into the glue. and connected it to the positive terminal, with the bismuth.
so that it looked like this:

  -              +
steel ---glue--- bismuth
                 --- copper


the moment the copper touched the positive terminal, the amperage AND voltage started increasing!
and stopped at 0.820 volts, and 480 uA.

the voltage increased by 0.04, and the amperage increased by 80 uA.
(it was a very small piece of copper. the gains likely would have been more, if there was more copper surface area  added.)


amperage goes up with surface area. but voltage ONLY goes up, depending on the element used.
before now, i have NEVER increased voltage, by sticking in more metal !



i think that when multiple metals are added like this, their frequencies merge.
causing even more disruption, than just 2 metals.


the bismuth and the iron were punching each otehr in the nose.
and kicking each other in the teeth.

then i aded the copper. and now the copper is beating up both the iron and the bismuth!
yet the iron and the bismuth, are both beating on the copper as well!


if i added aluminium and connected it to the negative terminal, than would it jump into the fight? hiting the others with its bat? making those pinging noises?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 23, 2008, 01:32:58 AM
everyone. i made one hell of an important discovery.


i placed bismuth and iron in glue.
i got 0.780 volts, at 400 uA.
as usual.


i stuck a small piece of copper into the glue. and connected it to the positive terminal, with the bismuth.
so that it looked like this:

  -              +
steel ---glue--- bismuth
                 --- copper


the moment the copper touched the positive terminal, the amperage AND voltage started increasing!
and stopped at 0.820 volts, and 480 uA.

the voltage increased by 0.04, and the amperage increased by 80 uA.
(it was a very small piece of copper. the gains likely would have been more, if there was more copper surface area  added.)


amperage goes up with surface area. but voltage ONLY goes up, depending on the element used.
before now, i have NEVER increased voltage, by sticking in more metal !



i think that when multiple metals are added like this, their frequencies merge.
causing even more disruption, than just 2 metals.


the bismuth and the iron were punching each otehr in the nose.
and kicking each other in the teeth.

then i aded the copper. and now the copper is beating up both the iron and the bismuth!
yet the iron and the bismuth, are both beating on the copper as well!


if i added aluminium and connected it to the negative terminal, than would it jump into the fight? hiting the others with its bat? making those pinging noises?

nitinnun

It looks  like that is  an important  descovery

I wonder  if  those elemental rods  have  something in them  that  works like   your glue .

I wonder if  some  metals   raise  the  voltage and  current  when connected to the +    and  other metals  raise  the  voltage and current   when connected to the - 


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 23, 2008, 01:47:29 AM
amperage goes up with surface area. but voltage ONLY goes up, depending on the element used.
before now, i have NEVER increased voltage, by sticking in more metal !
Howdy Nitinnun,
What about layers?  Stack it up, like an electrolytic capacitor, paralleled layers...
OK, Mo Later...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 23, 2008, 02:17:15 AM
i think that all metals have to be touching the same body of glue.
and all metals need to be touching either the positive or negative terminals.


the glues polymers, are all covalently bonded.

when 2 atoms share the same covalent bond, the magnetic fields of both atoms MERGE TOGETHER, into one big magnetic field.



so when the 2 metals touch the glue, the magnetic fields of both metals MERGE TOGETHER, into one magnetic field.

the 2 different metal-frequencies conflict inside this magnetic field.
generating electricity within the magnetic field.

the more different metals, the more frequencies, the more disruption, the more electricity.



i have lead and aluminum too. i'll throw those in with the copper, bismuth, and steel.
to make a 5-metal rumble.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 23, 2008, 03:20:24 AM


the 2 different metal-frequencies conflict inside this magnetic field.
generating electricity within the magnetic field.



Why  do you  think that there is  conflict?

From  what I  have gotten from    the PDF   the  right metals  should harmonize with each other .
The  wrong  combination should  do nothing or  create heat .........maybe  lots of it.


I clicked  the  wrong  thing  navigating   back here.  I ended up at  the   end of page 1 in  this  thread .
That   device  that  is radioactive is there  .
It makes me wonder    if  cadmium  phosphorous and cobalt  might   work in  glue 


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 23, 2008, 03:51:24 AM



my intuition tells me that the power is generated, from some kind of "difference" between the metals.

i don't know if this difference is a conflict between frequencies.
or if it is one atom conflicting, with another atoms natural frequency.

i just feel that the electricity is caused from a "difference".
because 2 identical metals, produce nothing.



when i realized this difference, the first thing that came into my mind, was what drannom said about different atoms having different frequencies.

the second thing that came into my mind, was what he said about 2 atoms disrupting each other, to generate electricity.

the third thing that came into my mind, was torroid overunity devices.
that generate excess power, from one frequency of electricity kicking another frequency of electricity.



what is causing copper, bismuth, and iron,
to produce more voltage and amperage,
than bismuth and iron????????


where is this extra voltage and amperage coming from, if not from conflict between different elements?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 23, 2008, 03:55:11 AM
by the way.
i have stick many kinds of atoms together, into glue.


all of them generate at least some electricity and amperage.

so whatever is generating the electricity, exists in all atoms?
but more in some atom combinations, than others.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 23, 2008, 12:36:46 PM
Sparks

I am kind of stuck here

I can see that  there is a  force  pushing  the planets and atoms  out to a certain  point.
I can also see that there is an inward pushing .   The  PDF  seems to  describe it  pretty  well . 
I can't  explain  the difference  between the inward and outward forces .

I do see that the  balance  between these 2 forces   has  created  all the universes
all  the solar systems  even all the atoms .
The fact that electrons  jump  from  one orbit  to the next  is  controlled by  the changes in  these   forces







I  have been  trying to understand  the difference  between  the   energy   that pushes   electrons   and 

planets  away  from   the  central  core and the   energy that   pushes  them  toward  the  core .

I came to my own  understanding  then  realized  it is already in the PDF .

The  energy  that  flows out  from the  nucleus and pushes  the  planets   or electrons   out to there proper

 orbits    is the same   energy that   pushes   them  closer  to  the  nucleus.  It is   just  a  slightly  different

 " flavor "   

According to the rule of balance   if  the  balance  between  atoms  is disturbed   a flow of  energy in

some form is  released  to  reestablish  balance . 
When  an energetic  particle   hits an atom  it  will  release energy according to  its own  unique makeup .
in other  words   when  struck  Iron  atoms  will emit  Iron " flavored" rays

Other than  direction    the only  difference  between the  energy  pushing  out and the energy  pushing in 

is  that  in the case of a planet    the energy pushing in  is  " universe  flavored" .   The  energy pushing

out  is  "planet  flavored" 
   

Quote

page 6

In Mr. Tesla’s demonstration and explanation of these generators he showed the following new
principles and laws of the Universe: That the Central Sun which lies in the midst of the Milky
Way radiates a great force of ultra high kilocycle AC current to the entire Galaxy. This current
activates our Solar Sun and it acts as a converter and radiates a strong force of DC current to our
Solar System. These rays of DC current come in many wave lengths because each element

will
radiate e n e rgy in its own wavelength as shown by the spectroscope.

Quote

Chapter 3

NATURE’S USE OF ENERGY

In a study of the way Nature uses its electrical forces we should he mindful of all the things man
has learned about the characteristics of electricity. We know that light has no heat, that heat

has no
light, that there are hundreds and possibly thousands of different electrical rays, each with its ow n
function. We know that an electrical force in one direction will have an equal force of magnetic energ y


to the opposite. We know that each atom has an electrical force equal to every other atom and is in
electrical balance with every other atom when under equal heat and pressure. We know that each atom
is alive with electrical force and radiates that force in all directions.


Quote

Chapter 5

NATURE’S STOREHOUSE

Nature has stored great quantities of solar radiation within the crust of the Earth. Each atom carries
its share but certain atoms will give up or exchange energies faster than others. Carbon and

other
related elements will hold great quantities of heat energy. Iron and other related elements will h o l d
great charges of magnetic energ y. These special elements charged with special

energies furnish the
e n e rgy for daily use in Nature and under certain conditions furnish great quantities almost
i n s t a n t a n e o u s l y.



gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 23, 2008, 12:48:55 PM
Hi Nitinnun

everythings must be simple, even if you find something complex then it will be anormal, the reason why it is like this is because the universe is simple

so simple that the only thing really existing are the eather and the Source, so find OU must be simple

simple as your chaostic cell glue battery, you try to create a very bad harmonic and then there is some energy to collect from this chaos, this is correct according to the superlight link, every atoms or molecules are in equilibrium exept for the molecular atomic frequency, every atom or molecule are shinning superlight with the frequency atomic modulation

in electrinium we look for harmonic compound of 2 metals, and align and compress them, in the way to get an etheric pressure from the inside of the compound

your theory is to use the difference in the frequencies to create an etheric pressure, this pressure will be lighter than electrinium, this will create 2 vortexes as well, those vortexes will resonate in the interference of your different frequencies

it is amazing that the power is better with a third element ! you might be able to create some harmonic device as well, placing 2 metals in the glue and get a frequency out from it permanently !

the perpetual resonator !!


all is simple, as the oneness








oneness

is there something wrong with me ?
or is it the only way it has to be ?
the universe seems so improbable
my mind can not find it possible

my heart feel the reality of the existence
my intelligence can not see in it any sense
then the nothingless is much more probable
my consciousness proove me that's impossible

the mystery of time at the very beginning
make me feel crazy in my understanding
how can something coming out of nothing?
except if the nothingless in fact is everything

does the oneness still exist in the nothingless ?
as the mystery of the mysteries and nothing less ?
my conciousness still proove me that is real !
the oneness in the nothingless that's the deal !

so everything must be simple
overunity as well for example
all is made of the same thing
and it's still look like nothing

the Central Sun is out the universe
and both of them are still oneness
the unity of all the creation
could only done one reaction

all is eather under the super-light rays
the infinity of time look like eternal days
souls are standing waves with consciousness
going from the nothingless to the oneness




by Normand Boivin ( my first poem in english done last evening )

 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 23, 2008, 01:13:27 PM





what is causing copper, bismuth, and iron,
to produce more voltage and amperage,
than bismuth and iron????????


where is this extra voltage and amperage coming from, if not from conflict between different elements?

nitinnun

An  anology  of what I think  is going on  can  be seen in waves .
In the  ocean when the wind blows  it creates waves
These waves tend to travel  in that   direction  until  stopped by something.

Wind in  another location    blowing in  another  direction  does not  fight  with   or replace   the  waves from the other  places  .   the  waves interact   as they pass each other each going  its own way.
Waves don't  interfear with each other , they simply add or subtract  from themselves   according to  what other wave they hit .



I am saying that   adding   more metals   to the mix is like  adding   more wind   above the ocean .
If  we add wind  to a  different  ocean  we won't notice a change .
If   we could  add  more  waves in the  right  place  at frequency's that harmonize  we could see   very big changes .
To me this means that  the location   of the  different metals  in the  glue might  be an important  factor .    maybe a better  way to   say it .   the  geometry  of the metals may be  important. 
An  example     if   a weaker  ray is to be added to  what seems to be a stronger ray  it might be helpful to  place the  weaker  metal in a ring around the  stronger metal



gary




Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 23, 2008, 04:01:18 PM
Hi!

@nitinnun
I am proud of you!!!

@all
The sensible thing now would be to increase the power of nitinnun battery with the energy gathered by drannom's piramid. I mean I suggest to grow a crystal piramid around the battery in order to increase its power.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 23, 2008, 04:36:51 PM
Hi Jesus

positive idea as usual from you !

talking about potassium alum crystal pyramid and the Nitinnun's theory seem to me out of the topic, i will only focus on the electrinium and whatever looking like that

if the Nitinnun's theory is right then it will be much more easier to create a very big battery than using a crystal growing process

there are very few people growing potassium alum pyramid in the world, i was the first, so it will be not possible to spread it to the world as your idea state, too complex

is that you wish, i think not, we wish someting simple, easily spreadable

too complex will fail to save the world

sorry for posting something looking like talking to say nothing







 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 23, 2008, 04:42:10 PM
Hi!

@drannom
Dont get me wrong, I am just trying to help and solve the electrinium problem.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Drannom on October 23, 2008, 05:01:05 PM
Hi!

@drannom
Dont get me wrong, I am just trying to help and solve the electrinium problem.

Jesus

 :)

no problem, i will not talk about that, you can, and everyone can

if you want to talk about electrinium ! wowwwww super !!!  ok

i am ready.......


in the electrinium we are about to find the atomic volume of all atoms, then we will find some difference in the total electrical charge

electrical charge = weight x volume

density = volume divide by weight

so i was not wrong talking about density

so, we are looking the way to get the compound, and to find an easy way we have to find the density of each atoms, and then match them with that difference

Summera give us many combination possible, the less expensive seem to be the silver-iron compound

then we will align it and compress it with high voltage in any hardener or crystal process

and, to get the silver-iron compound

as you know

we have to CREATE a normal silver-iron battery, with NaCN

so, Nitinnun propose to use iron-copper, good

let's try it, all i need is the receepe to create the iron-copper compound

and i have not understand it pretty well, in the Nitinnun's theory the iron and copper atoms are free, in the electrinium it has to be create


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 23, 2008, 07:26:40 PM
Hi!

@drannom
I am a visual person, meaning that for me to understand something I need to have a graphic or somethig to visualize the idea.
When you used graphics to explain the great job you did with growing pyramid crystals. I understood quickly the process you were trying to explain. When you use a graphic and just a little words, the graphic itself talks for you and is understood. I am based on the saying that a picture has the value of a thousand words.
Remember, I can be wrong though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 24, 2008, 03:39:01 AM
i put copper, steel, lead, bismuth, and aluminum into a contaner with glue.

but there is VERY LITTLE room between all of them. so i am slowly putting in thin layers of glue, and drying them.
to lock the metals in place, before i touch any of them.


in a few days, i'll be able to test the 5-metal beatdown!
though it will take tinkering to see which metals work best on which terminal.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 24, 2008, 03:59:57 AM
THIS was taken from an old tesla patent.
i think that it works EXTREMELY SIMILAR, to my cells, and to electrinium.


heat excites the iron. increasign its paramagnetism.
(ferromagnetism is just a stronger version of paramagnetism. the different name, is to confuse us!)


the increased PARAMAGNETISM of the iron, attracts clockwise spin generated by the air.
the sheet catches this clockwise spin. charging up the positive half of the battery.


the diamagnetic spin, attracts coutner-cklockwise spin generated by the ground.

this CCW travels up into the metal and up into the negative half of the battery.
because the CCW wants to climb as high as possible, towards the diamagnetic sky.


the CCW in the hot iron, attracts even more CW from the sky.



it works EXACTLY like how i tried to make the pyramid work.

the only differences are that i didn't excite any iron like that, i didn't have anything over iron to catch CCW, and i didn't purposely connect 2 metals to the negative battery terminal.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 24, 2008, 04:43:09 AM
Hi!

@nitinnun
You and drannom are the most active members of this thread!!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 27, 2008, 01:40:35 AM
Hi!

My first goal when I joined this forum was to promote the electrinium battery so we all could take advantage of its qualities, but at the beggining I was talking to myself I think, then I waked up and tried to help. Some opposition came up and I almost quit. Then I invited people from other threads that I deemed would be of help and the ball was running for a while. But now I am thinking that if we do not do something to keep this thread alive it will die soon.
I have not found anything about electrinium. The only thing that I found was another battery called the electromagnetic battery. But i was just a photo, too small and with no description.
If I cannot find anything to keep me here I will migrate to other threads, in the meantime the lord put some good idea into my mind directed to the making of electrinium or something with over unity that can be shared.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 27, 2008, 01:54:13 AM
i electrolyzed a piece of copper and a piece of steel, to make individual atoms break off.
then i mixed the water together, and got 6 milliamps.

the problem is that the water refuses to evaporate! even a little!


i think that the water refuses to evaporate, because its molecules are polarized.
polarized by the magnetic field!


mixing individual atoms together in either glue or a crystal, is likely the next step towards practical electrinium.

but for now, my interest has gone towards the last picture that i posted in this thread.

and towards the mini ro-mag generator, here:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/mromag0.gif&imgrefurl=http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm&h=415&w=482&sz=43&hl=en&start=25&um=1&usg=__GFeK30rvuN43-4ysMO6pE83yyfs=&tbnid=9Ad5zPV0ThU3qM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmagnet%2Bgenerator%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN


that badly optimized piece of crap puts out 3.5 volts at 7 amps!
and i know that i can build a more efficient one than that!
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 27, 2008, 02:50:54 AM
Hi!

Try heating it at a very low heat for awhile or put it over the house heater overnight.

Thank you for the Romag information.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: jeanna on October 27, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
i electrolyzed a piece of copper and a piece of steel, to make individual atoms break off.
then i mixed the water together, and got 6 milliamps.

the problem is that the water refuses to evaporate! even a little!

Nitinnum,

That is very interesting.
What if you added (painted) some of the water(s) onto sodium silicate or...

In fact, why don't you paint a little onto a plate of that glue as you think...

Please keep going with this.
I have been playing with a tiny HHO generator and a 9 volt battery. I think I will do this now too since I have the steel ions or atoms , all I need is another jar for copper.

Did you take a voltage reading?

jeanna
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 29, 2008, 05:45:55 AM
i have a new idea.


a very thin sheet of copper foil.
a very thin layer of dried glue.
a very thin layer of steel.

like this:


copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel


stack up 100 of each, in that order.
and compress all of them, with a vice!


the constant pressure of the vice, will keep them together, force them to connect, and likely cause the atomic disruption that drannom talked about.

it will last for as long as the vice can compress them.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 29, 2008, 06:21:04 AM
i have a new idea.


a very thin sheet of copper foil.
a very thin layer of dried glue.
a very thin layer of steel.

like this:


copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel
copper
glue
steel


stack up 100 of each, in that order.
and compress all of them, with a vice!


the constant pressure of the vice, will keep them together, force them to connect, and likely cause the atomic disruption that drannom talked about.

it will last for as long as the vice can compress them.

nitinnun

That  sounds  very similar to  something else that I remember

It  had the same  configuation  except it  had copper aluminum and acrilic layers

 I believe that  it needed  a magnetic field to work .

I was thinking that it was called an  electron cascade .

I will see if I can find  it tomorow .


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 29, 2008, 07:30:39 AM
acrylic glass is a polymer. just like elmers school glue!

it is mostly carbon and hydrogen. just like the glue.


but elmers school glue can be applied in very thin layers. which is what we need.
even if scrylic glass is tougher.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 29, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
Hi!

@nitinnun
How many volts does it have as output? How many milliamps?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on October 29, 2008, 03:00:17 PM





Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
i pressed together a very thin sheet of copper,
a very thin sheet of dried glue,
and a very thin sheet of steel.

all sheets were 1.5 inches long by 1.5 inches wide.

there was only about a 1.5 centimeters diameter, that was pressed with the vice.
the rest was unpressed.

the vice DID NOT electrically connect the copper and the steel.



the output was about half a volt, at 0.5 uA.
which is a little worse than a bunch of small wired dried in wet glue.

i think it would have worked much better, if the glue had dried onto the metals.
that way some of the glues polymers would have covalently bonded with the metal.
better integrating the polymers magnetic field, with the metals magnetic fields.

regardless, it shows something that none of us knew before.
and PROVES once and for all, that there is no freaking galvanization happening through rock solid glue!



i didn't try stacking together multiple layers.
because my interest is currently on the bedini motor.

in which i see vast potential, for my creative optimization skills.


but it would be easy as rancid firtilizer, for one of you to stack together and press dozzens of layers of copper foil, dried elmsers school glue, and steel sheeting.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on October 30, 2008, 11:07:09 AM
Yes, stacking different metals seperated by isolators, especially bad isolators,
will give you a voltage. And especuially when there is pressure on the stack.

You may want to check out the Zamboni or Duluc "Dry pile" in that respect;
those are basically Voltaic stacks of different metals (silver-copper for example)
that were seperated by pieces of paper, pressed together, and sealed in an isolating
layer. In contrast to the Voltaic and other Galvanic piles, they work
without having to submerge the pile in an acidic or electrolytic fluid, but on the other hand
they also produce mainly volts and very little if any amps.
It is classical electrical stuff, from way back in the 1800s or so.

I have recently made another version of such a "dry pile" to show a friend that the principle
works. The version I made consists of approximately 40 stacked layers of copper foil, kitchen
paper (the waxed kind), and aluminium foil, and measures 4cm by 4cm (by something like 2cm high).
The thing is nothing more than a stack of alu-copper-paper-alu-copper-paper-etc.
Wires are attached to the outermost aluminium and copper foil layers, and the entire thing is
squeezed together.
Last time I checked it, which was last week, it still did what it's supposed to do: after touching the
wires to eachother to allow the plates to discharge, and hooking up my multimeter, it read
a very low 0.01V which within a minute or two had risen to 0.5V, and then the self-charge speed
drops drastically and it takes another 5 minutes or so for it to reach 1V. Seems as charge increases
so does charge time, and after another 5 minutes or so, at approx 1.2V I decided I had been waiting
long enough.
This self-charge behavious is exactly what it did before, it is very similar to the same type of behaviour
as some of my past test showed, and it is exactly the type of behaviour said to describe the Duluc
and Zamboni dry piles. It is said that the electrostatic bell at Oxford is and has been powered by
such a type of dry pile since 1840 or so.
So yeah, these are electrostatic power sources. Zamboni style piles, it is said, could easily reach
the kilovolts.

But really, we've been over all this in the Crystal Cell thread. ;)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 12:02:07 PM
the electrical resistance between the 2 metals is SO HIGH, that my multimeter cannot read the resistance.
even though my multimeter can read up to several mega-ohms.

this cell does not start charging up when i connect the leads.
it is already charged up. and stays charged up forever.
until i either hsort it out or destroy it.

i seriously doubt that your0.5 volts of metals and paper, was 1/16 of an inch thick.



do you EVER type anything that is worth reading, koen1?

do you EVER type anything, that is not an attack on something?

do you EVER type a post, that is less than 80% useless-wordage?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 30, 2008, 01:01:29 PM
Hi!

@nitinnun
You are always occupied on something and that is good. There is a saying that states "Keep busy and youll be alright".
I have not tried the glue battery yet, because I am waiting for a good result to start spending more money on experiments. I have spent thousands and have not gotten anything OU, but has adquired some good knowledge in the process.
Keep being as you are!

I found a battery that seems to be made with just zink an carbon, but it is short on details. I know that this for jeanna and her friends would be great to find out. I forgot to jot down the link before the machine froze though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on October 30, 2008, 02:02:22 PM
the electrical resistance between the 2 metals is SO HIGH, that my multimeter cannot read the resistance.
even though my multimeter can read up to several mega-ohms.

this cell does not start charging up when i connect the leads.
it is already charged up. and stays charged up forever.
until i either hsort it out or destroy it.
Of course. And then you short it. And then, what happens?
Surely when you short it, the voltage drops?
And then afterward it rises again?
Well, so then it doesn't stay charged forever, but it re-charges itself
after you discharged it, right?
Right. That's what I'm saying.

Quote
i seriously doubt that your0.5 volts of metals and paper, was 1/16 of an inch thick.

Hey doubt all you want. Build a Zamboni dry pile and see for yourself.
Or call Oxford and ask them about theirs.
It's easy to doubt things when you never try them.
It's easy to claim you're right when you haven't tried to falsify your statements.
But it is a well documented phenomenon and setup, the dry pile.
Just look it up.

Quote
do you EVER type anything that is worth reading, koen1?
What kind of dumb remark is that?
Are you saying that your large number of posts in which you basically revisit
old ideas of others and act as if you're the one to "discover" them are worth
more than my simple remark that you might want to investigate the phenomenon
of the dry pile? Don't be silly.

In fact, you were the one who questioned the correctness of my statements
about the dry pile and my replication of one. That is quite silly. It is like
questioning the correctness of the Galvanic cell. There is no question,
they have been around since 1800.

Quote
do you EVER type anything, that is not an attack on something?
Yes, often enough. Like for example the entire post about the dry pile.
That was clearly not an attack on anyone, it was clearly intended to point out
the dry pile to those who don't know it. Like, as it seems, you.

Do you ever take the time to just evaluate a post and see the possible positive
value of it, instead of taking everything I post as an attack? It doesn't look like you do.
Well, be like that. But don't accuse me of attacking you when I don't.

Quote
do you EVER type a post, that is less than 80% useless-wordage?
Yes. Q.E.D.

Now get back to the subject; so you claim that you have a pressurised bimetallic
junction that produces high voltage potential
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 30, 2008, 03:46:22 PM
Hi!

@nitinnun and koen1
It seems that there is a very strong competence between you two. But that is very healthy. When you compete you try to excel in what you are doing. So the competence between you two is going to be beneficial to the world in the long run.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on October 30, 2008, 10:46:06 PM


there is nothing healthy about listening to koen1.
he couldn't type something USEFUL, even if you held a gun to his head.

and he doesn't realize that he can't do it, either.
which gives him zero possibility for improvement.

if he ever typed anything of value, than not only was it be an accident, but it was something that someone else came up with.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Dr. Tesla on November 02, 2008, 12:43:13 PM

there is nothing healthy about listening to koen1.
he couldn't type something USEFUL, even if you held a gun to his head.

and he doesn't realize that he can't do it, either.
which gives him zero possibility for improvement.

if he ever typed anything of value, than not only was it be an accident, but it was something that someone else came up with.

Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.

The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.

I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.

So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on November 02, 2008, 11:02:52 PM
Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.

The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.

I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.

So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.



his dry heap story is a heap of something all right.

it is a nasty piece of irrelevancy, that is NOT a constructive follow up to what i typed.
it seems designed more to sabotage and defocus, than to actually help anything.

and so do your words, "tesla". because there is nothing constructive in them either.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 02, 2008, 11:22:04 PM
Hi!

I just finished reading the electromagnetic battery thread and I am very disappointed about the end results.
I thought that because electrinium making requires cyanide, that making an electromagnetic battery would be easier, but I found that I was very far from the truth.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on November 02, 2008, 11:27:32 PM
it would be far easier to manually compress the elements you wanted.
by tightening together 2 flat metal plates, with nuts and bolts.

sort of like what i want to do with my 1/16 inch glue cell.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 02, 2008, 11:43:20 PM
Hi!

Do you mean something like this?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on November 03, 2008, 12:41:08 AM
yes. exactly like that picture.
those plates would provide all the pressure that you need.

so you could all focus on "only" the electricity producing atoms.
and not worry about making a chemical mess.


your best option, is to make a chemical compound that has most/all of its covalent bonds filled.
and is covalently bonded to 2 metal terminals.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 02:54:53 AM
Hi!

Pardon my ignorance in chemistry. I only know a little about pulsed motors.
Do you have any new recipe of those chemicals that will fill their covalent bonds?

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on November 03, 2008, 03:05:12 AM
chemical reactions are known for causing covalent bond changes, with VERY little heat and energy.


metals tend to have lots of covalent bonds. making them highly ideal.
the larger magnetic fields of metals, would also strengthen the overall magnetic field in the cell.

carbon and silicon both have 4 covalent bonds.
so they are ideal for making long covalent bond chains.
(silicon can likely form covalent bonds, without melting.)

hydrogen has 1 bond, and oxygen has 2.
they are often used to "cap" the ends of lattice chains.

i think nitrogen and sulfer both have 3 bonds
sulfer is required to form protein chains.


remember that nothing has to get hot enough to "melt".
things need to get hot enough, to "make them form covalent bonds".
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 03:22:11 AM
Hi!

An example recipe:
To take a break from reading at the computer, I prepare myself a hot cup of coffee.

1. Fill an 8 ounces microwave resistant cup with water.
2. Put it into the microwave and press the numbers to 1:30 minutes (on my microwave, yours could be different).
3. When the microwave finish heating the water, take it out of the microwave.
4. Add 1/4 teaspoon of instant coffe and stir.
5. Add a teaspoon of cream and stir again till the cream is well disolved, the mix will look clear brown.
6. Add two teaspoons of sugar and stir again (or sugar at your taste)
Your instant coffee is done at this point.

Enjoy it while reading in front of your computer or peacefully rocking on a hammock! Use creativity here.
It gives you sufficient energy to have working at your computer for hours.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nitinnun on November 03, 2008, 03:27:11 AM
i've found that the unsaturated fat in raw flax seeds, has given me much greater mental focus.

avoid heating food whenever you can. the heat damages the foods structure.
and the oxidization makes it much harder for your body to process.
(the body needs unsaturated fat, to dissolve oxidated materials.)


clockwise magnetism has shown to be healthy for living things.
which is part of why people desire to be around paramagnetic elements. such as gold, silver, and copper.

if you spin metal clockwise, the spin builds up its clockwise magnetism, and inhibits its counter-clockwise magnetism.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 03:51:00 AM
Hi!

What I meant by giving you my coffee break recipe is that, that is the best way to show someone how to make something based on a recipe.
I asked you on another post if you had a recipe to get those covalent bonds you are talking about.
In other words, Do you have a step by step instruction on how to set the battery you recommend making?

I have very clear that it needs to be compressed. But I dont really know what are the other steps on the process.

I know you gave this recipe:
i pressed together a very thin sheet of copper,
a very thin sheet of dried glue,
and a very thin sheet of steel.

But it lacks the process step by step.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 03, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
Hi!

I reread the page and found the answer to my question. It was my fault for not reading the page well.

I did an edited version of the information.

Again. My fault for not reading well the page.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on November 06, 2008, 11:57:54 PM
Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.

The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.

I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.

So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.


Hi Dr.T, the point is that no-one has successfully built an electrinium battery to date. There have been a few attempts but no-one successfully aligned the atoms and in so doing merely reproduced a slightly improved "permanent" version of the standard alkaline battery technology.

There is no way you can put your hand on your heart and say "this beats electrinium hands down" that is like saying Mc Cain won the election "hands down" !  Electrinuim when aligned correctly will produce something like 25,000v per sqare millimeter, hmmm I don't know the exact figure, but that information alone is enough to make me want to conduct some more research in this field.

So although you might consider yourself to be banging your head agaoinst a wall, the rest of us are having a fun time creating breakthrough with something that could potentially benefit the world greatly!

This is a thread about electrinuim batteries! Not about kincking around stories about already half understood and ineffective technologies....

Over to you Einstein!


Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on November 07, 2008, 12:05:15 AM
Hi Guys,

Reading through I am not sure where this thread is heading, so I just wanted to share a couple of things to maybe bring things back on track a little...

I found this on wiki which I thought was interesting:-

One of the problems with the plates in a lead-acid battery is that the plates change size as the battery charges and discharges, the plates increasing in size as the active material absorbs sulfate from the acid during discharge, and decreasing as they give up the sulfate during charging. This causes the plates to gradually shed the paste during their life. It is important that there is plenty of room underneath the plates to catch this shed material. If this material reaches the plates a shorted cell will occur.

I am thinking maybe this "paste" is electrinium sludge (bonded pairs of atoms) formed during the electrolysis process? Since....

At this stage the positive and negative plates are similar, however expanders and additives vary their internal chemistry to assist in operation when in use.

...basically additives are used to make the plates "dissimilar" otherwise there would be no negative and positive plate and no potential difference between them.


Has anyone tried collecting some of this sludge from the bottom of a spent car battery?



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 07, 2008, 12:29:31 AM
Hi!

@mrcharisma

I tried to make some experiments once but when I suggested it this was the answer:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5479.msg132645#msg132645

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on November 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
....and while I am on the subject, i remember earlier someone (drannon?) asking where we could find a silver iron battery? apparently "silver-zinc" batteries, aka "silver-oxide" batteries are quite common.

...from wiki:-
A silver oxide battery (IEC code: S), also known as a silver–zinc battery, is a primary cell (although it may be used as a secondary cell with an open circuit potential of 1.86 volts). Silver oxide batteries have a long life and very high energy/weight ratio, but a prohibitive cost for most applications due to the high price of silver. They are available in either very small sizes as button cells where the amount of silver used is small and not a significant contributor to the overall product costs, or in large custom design batteries where the superior performance characteristics of the silver oxide chemistry outweigh cost considerations. The large cells found some applications with the military, for example in Mark 37 torpedoes or on Alfa class submarines.

While I am not suggesting you approach the military and ask them for an MK37 Alpha Class Torpedo! It might be quite easy to find a silver-zinc "button" type battery (the type you find in watch batteries?) and extract the sludge from those?

apparently one doesn't need much of the stuff to make a really powerful battery (when the molecules are aligned correctly)  :)





Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on November 07, 2008, 01:00:08 AM
Hi Jesus,

well he has a point! But I am thinking maybe the sludge is electrinium, lead in its rawest form is full of impurities   http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PAFzq1l1ZlE  not to mention the additives! and that some more research as you suggest cannot but be of benefit to everyone...

Trust all is well with you too ?


Matt


Hi!

@mrcharisma

I tried to make some experiments once but when I suggested it this was the answer:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5479.msg132645#msg132645

Jesus


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 07, 2008, 02:32:46 AM
Hi!

@mrcharisma
On that video the person heated and cooled the lead glob several times and the lead turned to a color resembling gold, but that does not mean that it is gold. Piryte seems gold but it is not. Dont be fooled.

The only good thing is the hho instrument he used to heat the lead is what we need to experiment with the electrinium battery materials.

No, I do not trust all. Only the creator of all things I trust.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on November 07, 2008, 11:03:19 PM
Hi!

@mrcharisma
On that video the person heated and cooled the lead glob several times and the lead turned to a color resembling gold, but that does not mean that it is gold. Piryte seems gold but it is not. Dont be fooled.

The only good thing is the hho instrument he used to heat the lead is what we need to experiment with the electrinium battery materials.

No, I do not trust all. Only the creator of all things I trust.

Jesus


Hi Jesus,

well it does not mean it is not gold either! lead is full of impurities including bismuth, silver, zinc, copper and gold it is a well known FACT that these things can be economically exctracted from lead...

maybe it is bronze, an amalgum of copper and another element? or maybe the gold is becoming visible and floating to the surface during the roasting process? or MAYBE it is alchemy and the lead is transmuting into gold lol

try wikipedia for lead and see what you get ;)


in GOD we trust, everyone else pays cash lol


Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 07, 2008, 11:33:30 PM
Hi!

The faith is good in its right place. In chemistry just a scientific approach is valid.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 22, 2008, 05:04:43 AM

@sm0ky2

My question is:
I will put magnets aligned north(+) south(-) for the compound molecules to get aligned as the earth alingment of poles. I mean the compass north, points to the earth magnetic south, and the compass south points to the earth magnetic north.
Am I correct? Or the magnets go the other way around?
I am self taught and did not study theories.

Jesus

hmm...  i guess the best way to describe this is, if you hold a string with a rock on it, and you spin it around, and tilt your hand so the rock spins in diferent directions each circle::  This is the natural state of an element, and average electron orbital path with be spuratic when grown in the absence of a biased-field.

when you apply the field, its like spinning the rock while keeping your hand still, so it spins in the same direction each spin.  This is what happens to all the electron orbits when they are alligned, they assume parallel paths, and always spin in (give or take) that direction.

the magnetic "poles" if you can call them that, are formed @ 90-degrees to the direction of the electron.
and oriented by the 'left hand rule'.
for instance, if the magnetic poles were verticle, electron orbital-allignment would be in the horizontal plane.

the north pole of the earth attracts the magnetic south pole. (which is why south end of a compas points north)

and it is important to note that magnetic orientation of the crystals will be the opposite of the applied biased field.
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 22, 2008, 06:28:00 AM
@smoky2

It is very difficult to understand wat you are explaining without a diagram.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: xn9800 on November 22, 2008, 08:28:23 PM
I am buying the equipment to grow the crystals from Kayex, and am going to give this project ago.  I think it is worth the risk, and at least we can all know whether this works once and for all.  I am looking for 1 or 2 individuals to work with me on this, so if you are interested contact me.  Also, there is one thing I am having trouble figuring out.  When electrically aligning the molecules in the last step, so the molecules are no longer in disarray, the ingot must be heated up to a very high temperature with a kiln, so that the electrical charge will be able to align the molecules, but what kind of a device can be used to do this?  I was at first thinking of just running a few wires into a ceramic kiln and hooking them up.  Then sending the charge through the ingot while the kiln heats up, then gradual cool the kiln down while the charge is still running to prevent the silicon from going into shock from any sudden temperature changes, but the wires would melts that have the current running through it.  Anyone have any ideas on this?

Also, if this works.
I would like to keep to the creators original vision of how to distribute this battery.  However, what can be done about another company snatching up a patent on this or the process to create it and selling it exclusively themselves?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 22, 2008, 10:22:15 PM
@xn9800

Also, if this works.
I would like to keep to the creators original vision of how to distribute this battery.  However, what can be done about another company snatching up a patent on this or the process to create it and selling it exclusively themselves?


There are other members that are more knowlledgeable than me in this topic.
But if you develop a good process to make electrinium batteries. What is usually done is, that you put the working process inside a good envelope, seal it well and mail it to yourself.
When you receive it with the goverment mail post seal, you does not open it, you just store it away unopened and forget about it till the need to prove that you were the inventor. The document is sealed with a date and time from the mailpost, that ensures that it is genuine.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 23, 2008, 05:32:59 AM
@smoky2

It is very difficult to understand wat you are explaining without a diagram.

Jesus

im not very good at drawing, but i'll give it a try.....

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 23, 2008, 05:37:03 AM
The Magnetic Field will run perpendicular to the electric field, and look somehting like this::

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 23, 2008, 03:14:37 PM
@smoky2

Thank you for the explanation!!
I took all the information you gave us electrinium experimenters and put it all on a paint graphic for all to understand.
It is like so, because it is too difficult to read an explanation on another page and try to look at the pictures on another.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on November 23, 2008, 04:09:40 PM
What is so special about this? That's standard field theory, isn't it?
It applies to any dipole, be it a dipolar field configuration or a dipolar
particle.
So you didn't grasp these simple basic facts and you think you can make
electrinium? I'm sorry, but it seems you have a lot of study to do... ;)

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 24, 2008, 05:25:04 AM
What is so special about this? That's standard field theory, isn't it?
It applies to any dipole, be it a dipolar field configuration or a dipolar
particle.
So you didn't grasp these simple basic facts and you think you can make
electrinium? I'm sorry, but it seems you have a lot of study to do... ;)



i believe the intention was to APPLY the theory to the formation of a crystaline structure.
it has nothing to do with the composition of this alleged substance.

Electrinium, if it were to exist, would essentially be a self-reactive electret.
                  .


Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on November 24, 2008, 02:11:21 PM
You don't have to tell me what Electrinium is supposed to be,
I had studied the "theory" extensively before anyone on the forum
ever mentioned it.
The basic idea is good, but unfortunately most of the PDF info is not.
Yes, obviously if we want to make a solid block that produces electicity
as in electrical current, we're looking at two elements namely electrical
charge and flow of electrical charge. Electrical charges flow along electrical
"field lines", so we'll want those field lines in the material. Ergo: electret
characteristics that result in a fixed arrangement of electric field lines.
But that's only going to get us a field, and a field is not current yet.
We can quite easily make electrets, and they will give us static charges,
but the internat structure of the material must also accomodate migration
of electrical charge carriers (not necessarily electrons) so that we can actually
have a flow of these charges through the material, along the
field lines we already built into the electret.
And with electrets, that is a problem, as the typical electret is a polarised
dielectric material, which means it is not conductive.
If we were to use a conductive material, say a compound of two or more
conductive elements, then we might be able to arrange the molecules
so that their dipole moment is aligned somewhat similarly to the polarisation
of the dielectric electret material, and we might be able to get some weak
field line structure. Because of the internal conductivity however, the electro-
static charge buildup will not be nearly as high as in the actual polarised
dielectric. Also, the field lines will then be arranged in opposition to the
relative "p"-"n" layering of the conductive compound's constituent atoms,
in other words, the layering of the conductive atoms would just about in
all cases be such that the diode-like "one-way-flow valve" effect is opposed
to the electric field lines, which obviously means that charges inside the
material "want to move" along the field lines while they are simultaneously
"blocked" from moving in that direction because of the materials own internal
structure (and obviously the related ionisation/emission potentials and work
functions of the specific elements involved).
And that's only on the theoretical level.
Practically there are other problems with the Electrinium concept.
Just imagine what would happen if you'd add a 50/50 compound of
iron and well let's take silver for the example here, and try to "seal"
it in a body of iron. How would we do that? Looks like the idea is to
somehow arrange all the silver-iron compound molecules so that they
all "face the same way", as to get the desired electret-like polarisation.
Ok, well, let's assume we have made a deal with a tribe of nanites and
they've arranged all these molecules for us. ;)
Now we cast it in iron, right? So how would that work? We melt the iron,
then pour the molten iron over the so delicately arranged and obviously still
loose lying molecules, and we just hope and pray that our heavy liquid
metal goop will not disturb that arrangement in any way?
That's just a bit ubsurd, the molecules will obviously get washed along with
any liquid metal current, and the neat arrangement will be gone.
And that is assuming the molecules don't simply melt and become part
of a very nice iron-silver alloy block. Yes, that's another thing, metals when
contacted at melting points tend to form alloys, not nice compound molecules.
And alloy is one big block of crystalline structured solid metallic mixture.

It is very clear that mr. Summera who wrote the Electrinium PDF thought
that we must be able to replicate a similar arrangement of atoms as used in
semiconductor crystal diodes, but instead of using semiconductors he
thought we can use conductors and still get the semiconductive diode
"one-way valve" effect, but since conductors have a lot more "free" electrons
at room temperature than semiconductors do, the output would also be
a lot higher. It is also clear he had considered electret-like polarisation
of the material to attempt to produce field lines in this manner.
However, if one studies these fields, one will see that mr. Summera
appears to have only had a partial understanding of these fields, and
that it apparently never occurred to him that the field lines and
"n"-"p" effect seem to be oppositely oriented. He also seems to have
temporarily forgotten that molten metals tend to form alloys and not
neat bodies of molecules encased in one of the compounds constituent metals.
Also, and you may have noticed this, he seems to be confused as to
which implementation is best and easiest to produce as a prototype.
At first he starts explaining his "electrinium unit" using materials which
he swaps a page later for other materials, then he describes how the simplest
unit can be made using what, iron and silver? and then, when he finally
starts describing his step-by-step process for producing his hypothetical
unit, all of a sudden he uses completely different materials again, and all
of a sudden the process is a lot more complex than the entire easy and
simple iron-silve prototype he described the preceding pages. All of a sudden,
he is not using normal metals for the compound and body anymore, but now
he's using semiconductive crystal for the body, and he suggests a laughably
complicated alteration to a simple kiln, which if even affordable and achievable
for the home smelter, would certainly not be covered by any insurance company.
And the real clincher is of course the complete radio silence after his description
of this process. In the description he makes it sound like he has it all set up
and is ready to produce his prototype... But now, what, 20 years later, we still
do not know of any working Electrinium Units, and mr. Summera has also completely
disappeared from the radar screen, he's nowhere to be found.
Surely if mr. Summera had managed to produce a working Electrinium unit
according to the detailed description in his "theory" paper, he would have mentioned
this? If the style of his PDF is any measure, I would expect to see a last chapter
with a full and detailed, not to mention very enthousiastic, description of his prototype
and the output he measured.
Why would he not have done that? Because he either never even tried to build it,
or if we give him some credit and assume he did try to make it, it would seem
he did not manage to make a working version and instead of retracting his "theory"
he simply decided to keep quiet and focus on something else.
That's what is looks like.

Anyway, I do believe it is possible to produce a material that uses basically similar
concepts like the electret 'polarisation' and the "n"-"p" layering of compound materials
to produce output of a form that combines the electrostatic "electret" output and the
electrodynamic "diode"/"one-way-valve" principle, along with certain other aspects
(such as thermal conductivity relations, possible thermal/thermionic/background radiation
induced excitation, and possibly even anti-Stokes emission events).
I have been experimenting with various materials to this objective, and those interested
are welcome to check out the Crystal Cell thread to see some of that.
I don't think the Electrinium "theory" as described in the PDF is entirely correct nor
is the descriptions of the Electrinium units and their construction, but I do think
that mr Summera was starting to get close in his thinking. He just missed a few things.
:)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 24, 2008, 03:01:05 PM
@koen1

I do think that the pdf was altered by someone knowledgeable but with the intention of stopping the people to manufacture an "eternal" battery. It seems that he did it very swift, but reading it as you stated, the change on the way Summera is talking is noticed.

I do not abandon hope though.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on December 06, 2008, 12:59:19 AM
@koen1

I do think that the pdf was altered by someone knowledgeable but with the intention of stopping the people to manufacture an "eternal" battery. It seems that he did it very swift, but reading it as you stated, the change on the way Summera is talking is noticed.

I do not abandon hope though.

Jesus

couldn't  this be  similar to  electrinium?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.0

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on December 07, 2008, 05:58:31 AM
@resonanceman

I just dont know.
The arrangement is very expensive and it just gives .2 millivolts.

But it is a very interesting topic.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on December 07, 2008, 03:49:14 PM
couldn't  this be  similar to  electrinium?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.0

gary

Well yes and no. It is more similar to the Crystal Cells.

On a certain level the diode-like arrangement is similar,
but it does not accord with most of what is described in
the Electrinium paper at all.
It is in much better accordance with normal diode theory.
It is in fact exactly what is described on the site: an array
of a huge number of small diodes, which sort of rectify the
minute ambient oscillations.

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on December 08, 2008, 08:32:42 PM
Well yes and no. It is more similar to the Crystal Cells.

On a certain level the diode-like arrangement is similar,
but it does not accord with most of what is described in
the Electrinium paper at all.
It is in much better accordance with normal diode theory.
It is in fact exactly what is described on the site: an array
of a huge number of small diodes, which sort of rectify the
minute ambient oscillations.



Koen

I was  thinking that it is probably  more similar than different .
Electrinium seems to be working  like a rectifier in some way .

I was also wondering  if it might  be useable as a backup plan ........ if the funds were  raised to get the  equipment  to try to make  some  electrinium  it  would be wise to  have a few ideas for making  a profit  from  the equipment even  if  the electrinium project failed.


gary



 
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on December 08, 2008, 09:32:40 PM

from page 70 of  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.690

Talking about  room temp  superconducting  plastic

http://www.ultraconductors.com/primer.html

I would  agree that this guy  probably doesn't  have  anything  ready to show  people ......but he could have found  something .

It is my theory that  with the  right  materials it may be possible  to make  electrinium  by flowing  enough  current  through the materials to  form channels for the current,  then  removing  the current slowly and letting the  material harden .

Could this  be done  with plastic?
Could this  guy  be " burning" conductive  channels into plastic ?
These  channels might  in effect  be multiple microscopic  spark gaps.
I am pretty sure that  sparks don't always  follow the  laws of physics ......so  a long string of small sparkgaps  might  have some very interesting properties.
 
I am  not sure  if this  would  qualify  as electrinium but it might  be worth  looking into. .

 I am  thinking that  filling the plastic with very  small particles might help.
I am thinking that both  conductive and nonconductive  particles would be needed
The interaction  between the  current  the plastic  and the  conductive particles would  form the channels and create in effect anodes and cathodes.

gary

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Koen1 on December 09, 2008, 03:27:34 PM
Well, thing is, yes the idea of "electrinium" is similar
to rectification and diode structures, in a way...

But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.

Diodes are not like electrinium, the idea of electrinium
is roughly similar to diodes. The other way around.
The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.
And unfortunately the underlying theory is not in accordance
with the variations of diode theory. Superficially it is,
but on the deeper levels it is not.

Besides, as far as I know there is NO room temperature superconductive
material yet. Certainly not a plastic. That ultraconductors stuff has been
around for years and nobody has ever had the honour of actually seeing
a piece of the hypothetical superonductive plastic. It does not appear to
actually exist.
If we had room temp superconductors then yes, that could change the
entire story a bit, give it an extra dimension so to speak.
At least, I assume you see the similarities between room temp superconductors
and semiconductors in this specific context? I have a feeling you do,
otherwise why bring up superconds in the forst place? ;)

The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems. :D

Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.

Lol :) funny to see how the better "electrinium" posts are all Cell related,
and not so much "electrinium" as described in the similarly titled paper.
:)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on December 09, 2008, 06:47:30 PM
@all

I made a mistake???
I am reading too many threads at the same time.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2008, 09:19:12 PM
the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"

the substance should have both properties of an electret
 (static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.

chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::

(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.

Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)

the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
     Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.

i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.

Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
  60W - 100W  in various arrangement do work.  ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.

i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.

and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)

what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
 so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.


if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on December 10, 2008, 12:48:24 AM

But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.


Koen

I really  don't care much about  who has what  theorys  about  this and that .The  theorys  that you  describe  as good working theorys   are  just accepted theorys.   They are probably way  off the way that they actually work . The politics  of science  is  often stronger  than the evidence of science  when it comes to  what  theorys  become accepted . .....Anyone  with  a half way open mind  can see this .

Quote
The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.

How  can you  state that  electrinium  is a fantasy ?
Are you  saying that it is impossible  just because  you have never seen any ?
Is it  possible that it is   being  manufactured  and used  by  some  black  opps projects that the public may never  be told about?
Is it possible that it   has been  developed  then  suppressed?

Wouldn't it be something  if  us  fools  working on this  " fantasy  "  came up  with  an idea that helped you  improve your  crystal cells ?


Quote

The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems. :D


My  idea for the  gold/iron  cell that we talked about early in this thread always included melting  the  metals  with high  current  and burning  current paths through the material.
I was simply  relating  my understanding  of  a way  that might  work for making  a form of electrinium  to the superconducting  plastic idea.



Quote
Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.


As I see it the  non conductive particles  would  help define the  size of the channels ......and also  help dissipate heat.
I am not as sure of the conductive particles .
One  way that   conductive  particles could  be used is  if  one side of them  was made of a metal that  easily emitted electrons .....and the other side  did not easly emit  electrons .... it would work like a string of micro vacuum  tubes.

Another  way might  be geometry  of the particles
If  the  particles  were shaped  like a tear drop and all lined up in the same direction  the points would  emit  a lot more  electrons  than the  rounded ends.

in  both cases  the  channels  would  be  very narrow and  formed in the path of least resistance  between the non conductive  particles.

gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on December 10, 2008, 12:59:45 AM
the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"

the substance should have both properties of an electret
 (static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.

chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::

(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.

Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)

the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
     Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.

i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.

Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
  60W - 100W  in various arrangement do work.  ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.

i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.

and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)

what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
 so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.


if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)

Smokey

WHen I try to see  how this  would  work  it looks to me like  it is more than 3/4 quarts.  ...... 
I still think that  it would have to be  compressed while  the heating process goes on. 
I was thinking it would  take much  greater power  ....I hope that you  are right about that part.


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 10, 2008, 02:23:50 AM
Smokey

WHen I try to see  how this  would  work  it looks to me like  it is more than 3/4 quarts.  ...... 
I still think that  it would have to be  compressed while  the heating process goes on. 
I was thinking it would  take much  greater power  ....I hope that you  are right about that part.


gary

i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.

you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: resonanceman on December 13, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.

you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone


Sounds interesting

Back on  page 6 I  tried  to describe a way to  possibly make  Iron/gold electrinium  I like  the idea because it is fairly  simple  , the ceramic  bead  that  is the " container '  for  the  process also becomes the  outer  shell  of the  finished unit.   The process would  be fairly easy to test  on a small scale ..........but also  could  be automated without  to much  trouble.

I  made a few crude  drawings to help explain ....   Just go back to page  6 and  scan for the  big ugly  gifs   :)

I  was thinking that  your idea might  be able to  be made  in a  similar way .... perhaps  a plug  made  of the  right  components  between the electrodes.  The electrodes  would have to be made in  such a way to permanently fuse to the  main  core and provide the  proper electrical  conections.


gary
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on December 17, 2008, 03:09:20 AM
@all

I was browsing the forum as usual and I found this thread that on this specific link, the guy states that he has a shorted 12v battery and talks about a diode battery. I think that this is related with the electrinium.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.msg144295#msg144295

Greetings!

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 27, 2010, 08:08:20 AM


Magnetic sludge from used up batteries.




what's wrong with that, good place to start? you might have a job aligning the atom pairs though to make any sizeable voltage....

I take it everyone has seen my video on the subject? It got banned on youtube LOL  ::)


http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoId=27970157




Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 27, 2010, 08:25:03 AM
Without reading through every post, did anyone succeed in making any electrinium? Through electrolysis maybe? Or from the sludge inside an old alkaline battery?

Did anyone manage to get into an old car battery and found sludge at the bottom? Electrinium sludge....?

I was playing with the idea of making a battery by re-packing the contents of an old alkaline battery and re-aligning/re-charging the atoms with high voltage/current just to prove the concept. The pairs of atoms (Nickel-Cadmium) would be aligned fairly randomly in parallel so the voltage would always be that of one pair ie. 1.5volts and the current would drain with load according to how tightly they are packed? Just add water to make them conduct and make an "alkaline" solution (any liquid that conducts will do just as well)!

For the record we already have the technology to make electrinium it is virtually the same process they use to make permanent magnets ( a form of battery) by aligning the molecules in the magnet then packing them solid.




Just some ideas to play with?


It Works for me! 




Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 27, 2010, 08:28:26 AM
One last question for tonight! Does anyone own a furnace and crucible?


And has anyone approached an IC manufacturer/engineer to see if they would be interested in helping to grow an electrinium crystal the same way silicon crystals are grown?


That was two questions  ;)



Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 27, 2010, 08:46:25 AM
PS. I know Marcus Reid has some success with permanent batteries but  again the molecules were not aligned in series so the voltage/current drain was low even though they lasted for upwards of nine years (and counting) under test. There are even some crystals that display permament battery properties occuring naturally in rocks I understand :)



http://www.vakuumenergie.de/projekte/crystaline_unit.html


http://www.electra-energy-ag.com/ (in German)




Matt
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 27, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
Hi!

@gary
Thank you for the information about the lead batteries. I will need now to make another decision about the electrinium source chosen.

Jesus


hi Jesus I think you were mislead (pardon the pun!) a lead acid battery is "duped" with other materials/metals that make it work, it doesn't necessarily stop the electrolysis process that makes the sludge.


Or stop our research :)



Matt

Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 27, 2010, 03:41:04 PM
@mrcharisma

I abandoned trying to build an electrinium battery after I saw that the electrinium pdf seemed to be the invention of someone that wanted to play with the peoples desire to have free electricity.

There was no record of the origins of the paper was the last thing I was told.

Jesus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: mrcharisma on October 28, 2010, 04:31:24 AM
Well the paper comes in from a very high level of intelligence beyond, perhaps our current models of undertsanding. It didn't seem that difficult to understand to me... but then it is easy to say that... not so easy to build one? I notice today that the guy who started a youtube channel entitled "electrinium" promptly had it deleted. Why would the powers to be do that? Someone is taking the ideas very seriously! I havn't given up I just don't have any resources to build one, short of asking a silicon integrated circuit manufacturer to build one for me, which I think is probably the way to go in the long run. Back yard engineers are alwasy going to get competition from big companies so we might as well get the big companies on our side eh?

I pretty much stopped promtoing the ebook ;) when my video got banned... somone messing with my mind no doubt!

People gave up on Tesla's ideas too because they couldn't understand them. Does not mean he wasn't a genious though. Just means his ideas came from a system more advanced than ours at this time. Truth is a great pioneer! Time is a measure of our willingness to learn the new models. Time will tell...

Meanwhile I cannot see anything wrong or incorrect about any of the ideas/theories in the ebook. In fact I think perhaps Tesla wrote it himself ;) ;)

Good luck and much love to you Jesus my friend.



Matt :)
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: nievesoliveras on October 28, 2010, 08:58:13 PM
Thank you @mrcharisma
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 29, 2010, 12:26:38 PM
Meanwhile I cannot see anything wrong or incorrect about any of the ideas/theories in the ebook. In fact I think perhaps Tesla wrote it himself ;) ;)
Tesla gave impetus to the semiconductor revolution, but was gone about 10 years before the first mainstream semiconductors.  The Electrinium document is clearly the work of someone who had first hand experience in manufacturing semiconductor materials.  I don't know if Summera is his real name, what matters is the content of the book.  This material is just a feasible as a ceramic magnet.  Look at the progress we have made there.  Look at these new Neodymium N52s...

You're right that we don't fully understand this technology.  All that is lacking is the development process.  We have the theory.  We have a preliminary process for manufacturing Electrinium.  All that we need is to get the tools, get the materials, and start trying to make it work...

Science first discovered magnetism when miners found magnetite.  He he, look, these funny rocks stick together, LOL...  I'll bet there is an electric rock to be found somewhere, in fact probably has already been found, and its sitting in a nice little storage cell, on a black shelf somewhere.

And, its not just Electrinium, the Superlight Theory cracks open so many more things, even the secrets of physical life itself.  The way the Superlight Theory explains magnetism and electricity it also explains why a collection of seemingly random elements can form a uniform, animated structure.  We have life because of that Black Hole Sun.

Someday we will have the tools...
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: cmichaelcouch on March 07, 2012, 08:33:58 PM
I just wanted to let everyone interested in Electrinium know that an Hydroxy or HHO torch will sublimate almost any element; tungsten, steel, brass, etc. So, it might be easier to make electrinium with an HHO torch process of some kind.
 
I have no where to work on it. But what I would do is take the instructions from the book and see if I could figure out how to do the same things with an HHO torch somehow instead of with a kiln furnace.
 
Michael Couch
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: Arcus on April 12, 2012, 08:41:02 AM
Hydroxy is too hot to melt steel and will burn it. Using hydroxy you have no controll over temperature and heat distribution and it is not the best choice for this experiment.  I would recomend for you to purchase a 7Kw induction heater. That should give you sufficient power to melt anything you like in a controlled environment. Induction heaters are used in the making of silicon crystals and u can buy them from China for less then USD 1500. Before you start melting you need to read up on your metallurgy. Metalls may react with the crucible and you need to find out wich crucibles are suitable for wich metalls/alloys. You most probably will need to use catalyst/flux wich makes the melt even more complicated. The easiest way to combine two metalls without the use of a catalyst is by friction, it is called friction welding. How do you plan to organize the atomic structure once you have the desired alloy? Please be specific in you explenation.
Arcus
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: hawkiye on October 29, 2012, 09:31:27 AM
So has everyone abandoned this idea? This seems like something we should really pursue. It seems pretty simple and the drawbacks don't seem all that tough to overcome. Anyone from the treasure valley in Idaho want to get together on this?
Title: Re: Electrinium
Post by: z.monkey on October 31, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
So has everyone abandoned this idea? This seems like something we should really pursue. It seems pretty simple and the drawbacks don't seem all that tough to overcome. Anyone from the treasure valley in Idaho want to get together on this?
Howdy,

Haven't abandoned the idea, trying to gather up enough money to start a semiconductor fab...

Might be able to make this a reality in 10 years or so...