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Offline z.monkey

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2008, 01:56:51 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Broli, we only need a warehouse of industrial equipment...

Sprocket, Electrinium is a real thing, it is already in batteries, just not in the crystallized form.

Nievesoliveras, I am not finding batteries in that *.pdf.

Broli, A regular oven is not going to do this.  Working with crystals is like glass manufacturing.  We'll need a kiln.  To form semiconductor Silicon you basically take sand and Carbon then heat them to 1900 degrees Celsius to release the Oxygen from the Silicon Dioxide.  The remnant is Carbon Dioxide.  Allow it to cool a while and then seed it with silicon crystal.  Then you "pull" the crystal out of the molten mixture.  Usually this is done in two processes, one to purify the silicon, and in another you remelt the silicon and make an ingot, or large crystal.  Not a trivial task.  Not a cheap task.  Here is a product brochure for a silicon ingot growing furnace.

http://www.kayex.com/kx150.asp

The Silicon in the mix is going to provide the structure for the Electrinium (Silver Iron molecules) so that they can hold their form permanently.  Noting that Silicon is one of the most abundant elements on the planet you would think that it would be easier to work with.  When craftsmen work with Silicon Dioxide to make glass they basically melt sand reform it, temper it and let it cool.  When you want pure Silicon it is a much different process.  The Silicon by itself is not going to bond with the Electrinium by itself.  Mr. Summera suggested we could add Borozon to the Silicon to aid in bonding the silicon to the Electrinium.  This is theoretical it would require a significant amount of experimenting to determine if this is actually feasible. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor, albeit worth it if we can get it to work.  This is why it hasn't been done yet.  It is risky and expensive.  The ingot growing machine in the link above is easily $500K, if not more.  So, this little project is a little out of my reach right now.  I would love to try this, just don't have the resources.

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Re: Electrinium
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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2008, 03:38:30 AM »


http://www.kayex.com/kx150.asp

The Silicon in the mix is going to provide the structure for the Electrinium (Silver Iron molecules) so that they can hold their form permanently.  Noting that Silicon is one of the most abundant elements on the planet you would think that it would be easier to work with.  When craftsmen work with Silicon Dioxide to make glass they basically melt sand reform it, temper it and let it cool.  When you want pure Silicon it is a much different process.  The Silicon by itself is not going to bond with the Electrinium by itself.  Mr. Summera suggested we could add Borozon to the Silicon to aid in bonding the silicon to the Electrinium.  This is theoretical it would require a significant amount of experimenting to determine if this is actually feasible. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor, albeit worth it if we can get it to work.  This is why it hasn't been done yet.  It is risky and expensive.  The ingot growing machine in the link above is easily $500K, if not more.  So, this little project is a little out of my reach right now.  I would love to try this, just don't have the resources.

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

One of the  sites  said  that a piece the size  of  a fist  could   produce enough  power to be lethal .

The  machine  in your link mkes 8 inch ingots .    Is there  something  out there  that could be used to make  small ingots  maybe  2 or 3 inches ?


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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2008, 03:56:09 AM »
Howdy Resonanceman,

Of course, you can pull a smaller ingot by pulling it faster.  The slower you pull the crystal the wider it gets, so if you pull it faster then it will be thinner.  But that is not relevant because the individual crystals are not aligned until the crystals are activated in the final process.  When the crystal initially comes out of the process its Electrinium molecules are randomized and not conducting.  When the crystal is in this inert state it can be machined into the individual wafers required for manufacturing the batteries.  Then after the batteries are manufactured they go into an activation process where the batteries are reheated to 1200 to 1400 degrees Celsius and current is applied to them in order to align the Electrinium molecules.  After the Electrinium molecules align then the batteries can be cooled with a resistive load attached to retain the alignment of the Electrinium molecules.  After the batteries cool off all the way then the Electrinium molecules are set permanently and will continue conducting on their own.  Mr. Summera was very specific about this process like he had personal experience.  I suspect that this is a suppressed technology that is in use somewhere (secret military, etc.) already and he was involved in this process.

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 04:26:12 AM »
Howdy Resonanceman,

Of course, you can pull a smaller ingot by pulling it faster.  The slower you pull the crystal the wider it gets, so if you pull it faster then it will be thinner.  But that is not relevant because the individual crystals are not aligned until the crystals are activated in the final process.  When the crystal initially comes out of the process its Electrinium molecules are randomized and not conducting.  When the crystal is in this inert state it can be machined into the individual wafers required for manufacturing the batteries.  Then after the batteries are manufactured they go into an activation process where the batteries are reheated to 1200 to 1400 degrees Celsius and current is applied to them in order to align the Electrinium molecules.  After the Electrinium molecules align then the batteries can be cooled with a resistive load attached to retain the alignment of the Electrinium molecules.  After the batteries cool off all the way then the Electrinium molecules are set permanently and will continue conducting on their own. 


Z Monkey

Sorry   I might not  have worded  my question  very well .

In my opinion  if you have the equipment to make  8 in  ingots  then  8 in  ingots would be the way to go .

I am asking  if there is  a  way to get around  the large scale  equipment   for  some  test runs .

I am not asking   about what  would  be ideal  for the process .......more like   what  could be used to   prove the concept in a cost effective  way . 
 

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 Mr. Summera was very specific about this process like he had personal experience.  I suspect that this is a suppressed technology that is in use somewhere (secret military, etc.) already and he was involved in this process.

Blessed Be...

I have a feeling that you are right about this .

That kind of worries me .

If one person  or  group  gets the money together to  get the right equipment  to  get this  going .  They would  be  like  a sitting  duck  for whoever   suppressed  this  before.
If it was suppressed once  I see no reason to  believe that there would not be attempts to suppress it again.
 
I think the key to  getting this out into the public is to find  ways to get it done  cheep ...... so  many  can   try it .

gary

 


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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2008, 05:25:06 AM »
Z-monkey I'm very sure we can think of something to keep it as cheap as possible. Buying an oven would be insane unless you want to mass produce it. Aren't there people on here who already own one or know a company that could do this on demand for a fraction of the price? Surely that would be much cheaper. Even it's only one battery, as long as it does what it says any other company out there wants to get on the bandwagon. Which is fine as long as they respect the open license it has.

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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2008, 11:53:24 AM »
Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,

Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment.  Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible.  I don't think this will be cheap any way round.  Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort.  The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet.  They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"

We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least.  I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process.  This will not do well to be done by hand.  We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal.  A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO2 Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals.  At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.

For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries.  From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries.  This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.

About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress.  As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that.  As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium.  Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth.  Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries.  This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.

Blessed Be...

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2008, 12:01:28 PM »
in electrinium it is possible to create a device with many pairs of two molecules of different density, you may get heat instead of electricity

i propose to create micro electrinium, then you'll have to cristallize a little piece of for example iron-carbon (steel) it will not produce a lot of electricity bur will proove the valid concept of electrinium

anything can be crystallize, almost everything, many pairs of compound will destroy themselve if the frequency is not harmonic (by overheat)

create a micro electrinium is like create a little cristallization while putting a lot of volt

tha main principle of electrinium is that you oriented and compressed together two differents atoms or molecules so near that this compressed etheric zone will shine Super Light convert in electricity

ortherwise any crystalized things will shine polarized Super Light , as if it is normal light through a normal crystal

i known, i think i understand it well but still experiment difficulty to tell it

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2008, 12:27:37 PM »
Howdy Drannom,

I agree there are many different atomic combinations that can produce this effect.  I am fixated on the Iron-Silver-Silicon-Borozon combination which Mr. Summera wrote about.  If you think about it this mixture would produce a blue gray crystal.  I am thinking that Mr. Summera has experience in this technology.  Like he said in the Electrinium document this is all based on Tesla's research and Super Light and the possibilities are grand.  Many different technologies are possible and the Electrinium Battery is just a starting point.  But it is a good starting point that is beneficial to the world.  The Electrinium Battery Company could be a starting point to reactivate Tesla's research.  If would could pry the entirety of Tesla's research out of the hands of the US.Gov we could continue the work that he started.  This could continue to produce many wonderful technologies that the world was deprived of nearly 100 years ago...

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2008, 01:12:58 PM »
yes blue crystal, like those one in the secret underground basements (from projectcamelot) giving them all power they need to travel underground from one city to an another underground cities !

in the Hutchison topic we have learned (heuuu i have ) that Hutchison began with military diode, military secret technology allow to create diode like a little electrinium (i think)

probably Hutchison read some volts from one of those secret military diode (i think)

then i look to a simple way to cristallize two atoms of differents weight like iron-carbon (steel) in a micro electrinium, of about 1/10 milimeter !

i do not know if will perform it, in electrinium he said that it is very easy with steel and i like what is very easy

we can manage to convert steel electrinium without cutting it in plate, instead we can convert it in heat (short circuit through resistance) ! so easy heat

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2008, 04:13:24 PM »
Zmonkey

Exactly on page 851 of the Pjkbook.pdf There is a formula of the ingredients.  Check it again.

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2008, 05:59:57 PM »
Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,

Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment.  Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible.  I don't think this will be cheap any way round.  Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort.  The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet.  They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"

We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least.  I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process.  This will not do well to be done by hand.  We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal.  A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO2 Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals.  At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.

For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries.  From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries.  This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.

About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress.  As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that.  As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium.  Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth.  Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries.  This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

I  think  "scrapyard ingenuity" is the way to go .
Anyone   can  come up  with an answer if they  have unlimited bucks to throw  at the problem .
It takes brains to  come  up with a solution   that requires  few bucks . 


I can't find the exact  drive I was thinking .
This  drive is  similar  and a good starting  point for  explaining  the differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive

In  the  animation on the link  the  output  of the  drive  moves   1 tooth   with an input of 1/2  revolution .   
This is  good   but  as I understand it  red gear is metal and all the  usable  torque has to go  through  the connection.   It is not easy to  transfer  torque through  something  with that much  freedome of movement .

The  drive I was thinking  about  works with the same principle   except  the yellow "wave generator plug"  is replaced by a gear .   The  red  gear is replaced with toothed belt  with teeth on both sides .

The inner  gear  is sized  to  be as large as possible,   with the  outer gear,   the belt and the inner  gear all meshed on one side, there  would  be   just enough room on the  other  side for the  belt to  slip between the  gears.

If the  inner  gear is  driven around  the outer gear by an eccentric  ( a  drive shaft  with  the driving part intentionally  off center )  and the  inner gear is allowed to rotate the  belt  will slowly  rotate .
If  2 or more matching eccentrics  are used to drive the   inner  gear  it  will follow a circular path around the  outer gear  but will not rotate.   The  outer gear with then rotate at  the difference in circumference  of the  gears per  revolution.

I am not  sure how  small they make  drive belts  with  teeth on both  sides . 
I am pretty sure  we can find one small enough to be usable .

As far as the inner and outer gears .  I am sure that they  will have to be custom  made .
With this  design the  force is spead out across many teeth .
Using  a larger  belt spreads the  load even more.
I see no reason  that at least the tooth  part of the inner and outer  gears  could not  be  made of plastic .
I have seen  posts  with  very  nice  looking  plastic parts   made with  homemade CNC machines.
Maybe  one of those people could help with the gears.   

I was thinking that the  outer gear  would   have a metal  disk   attached to the  bottom and it would  be attached to a ball screw .

The  whole thing  could be driven by a stepper motor  .... I  would suggest that  the  drive  be  belt  driven  and geared  down enough that   the stepper motor  runs  at is max speed to  have the  ball screw pulling at the  fasted expected growth rate. 

Another  little detail .    If the  outer  part  of the  outer  gear of the drive was  round  the drive could be  " clamped " in place  during  use  .   ( possibly by air cylinders )   
After a pull  the  drive could be unclamped  and  it would rotate at the speed of the stepper motor  drive .    This  would  allow  the system to be reset for another pull in a short period of time. 


As I see it   oven  would be  fixed near the bottom  of the machine.
It would  have a hole in the top  to pull the crystal through .
There  would  also be a " cooling  chamber "  that rises as  the  crystal is pulled. 
This  cooling chamber  would trap and hold much of the heat escaping  from the oven. 
The  ball  screw and  drives would all  be  above this cooling chamber .  in open air .


If   someone  on this  site  has  a CNC  big enough for  the gears and is willing to help  then  the only parts I can think of that  need machining   are the  eccentrics  and their mounting hardware .  and the metal  disk  that will make up the center of the  outer  disk and connect to the  ball screw.
The  rest  of the  stuff I would classify as basement  tech .    anyone  with  a real desire to  build could  get it done . 

I  am not  including  the  heat  source for the oven  in this  post .   I am assuming   resistance  wire or natural  gas .   but  I have no experience  with either .  so I  will leave the heat to those  that  understand it .


gary

 

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2008, 02:07:19 AM »
resonanceman

your link does not resonate at all with this topic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive

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A harmonic drive is an input/output gearing mechanism. It is typically used for gearing reduction, but may also be used to increase rotational speed or for differential gearing. Very high gear reduction ratios are possible in a small volume (100:1 is possible in the space that Planetary gears typically only


are you doing some marketing here for something else ?

what are you doing ? start a topic on that somewhere else!

what is the fuck is this, i do not understand the relation, why read that while studying electrinium ?

there are no gear in any electrinium, so start something else
or go to sleep right now

why shall we look to your link and loose some time, we are suppose to study anything but not gears

are you loose in this forum ? or shall we talk about fuel, or my cats ?








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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2008, 05:20:06 AM »
Howdy Drannom,

Yeah, we do need a gear drive to manufacture Electrinium.  We need a precise geared mechanism to pull the crystal out of the molten mixture in the crucible.  Unlike organic crystals which grow submerged in a salt solution, silicon crystals grow at high temperatures (1900 degrees C) and need to be very precisely pulled out of a molten silicon mixture at precisely the right temperature when it starts to solidify.  If you pull the crystal too quickly it will crack.  You need a constant, persistent, and very precise pull.  This gear mechanism needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the crystal, and also rugged enough to resist the high temperatures of the process.  I think Resonanceman's contribution is valid and useful.  This Electrinium idea is useless as information alone.  We need to be able to manufacture it for it to be useful to mankind...

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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2008, 05:34:37 AM »
Maybe he was drunk or high  ::). Btw don't local glass formers (if you have a local one at least) have high temperature ovens? Maybe some deal could be done to make this under some personal science project disguise  :P.

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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2008, 07:14:55 AM »
Z Monkey   

How  far  would we need to pull the crystal?

The  way  you  described  the process  needing just the right speed and temperature
I am wondering  if it would work  pulling  it out of a crucible It seems to me that  all the contents  of the crucible would  cool at the same  time  making for a very short pull


How  viscus  is  the melted silicon? 
If it  is pretty viscus  it might be an idea to cast  it into  rods then  have some kind of tube in place of a crucible
The  silicon  would have to be heated  through the tube ......it would be a slow process ..........but  heat would be controllable

We would need  a drive on the bottom  as well as the top .    so we  could accurately  control the speed  and  crystalization process.



As far as heat goes ......I was planning on keeping  the ball screw the  drive and  motor out of the heat .   
I was thinking that  we would need  a  fixed  high temp  oven  section.
We would then need  a larger  " traveling  " box  that would  trap the heat escaping  from the  high temp section 
The temprature  difference  between the  inner  oven and the outer box would  control  the cooling rate for the crystal.
This  box could be  built in sections and telescope

If  we melted  the  silicon in a tube instead  of a crucible   we would need  2 moving  boxes.




I guess that is enough  for now .




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