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Offline wizardofmars

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #120 on: September 27, 2008, 02:07:31 AM »
Howdy WizardofMars,

Your questions are irrelevant.  Who wrote it and where it came from is totally irrelevant.  What matters is the content.  Which you apparently have not read.  I am not going to make an effort to argue with you since I already know the value of the content.  Don't bother us anymore...


Are you going to ignore my question on NESARA?

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Re: Electrinium
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« Reply #121 on: September 27, 2008, 02:19:41 AM »
Wow. You believe in NESARA? I've always wanted to meet someone who did. That explains a lot!

For those unfamiliar with the NESARA conspiracy theory -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA_conspiracy_theory

There is also a great documentary on NESARA believer groups in Utah called 'Waiting For NESARA' which will blow your mind.
Howdy WizardofMars,

You dump on everything else so I am not surprised that you would dump on NESARA also.  Yes I believe in NESARA.  I don't care what you think about it either....

Blessed Be...

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #122 on: September 27, 2008, 02:55:12 AM »
G'day all,

@nievesoliveras:  Have you had a look at the "crystal power cell by JH" thread. You may find it interesting.


Cheers

Ian

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #123 on: September 27, 2008, 04:56:07 PM »
Hi

@Ian
Yes I have seen the JH batteries. But I have not been able to replicate them.
I dont have the correct procedure and formula.

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #124 on: September 27, 2008, 11:54:12 PM »
Hi guys,

Most of you feel like friends from other threads. No surprise here. ;)

I read all the way through so I wouldn't be duplicating any ideas, and at the very end Jesus mentioned what I wanted say most.

But I would like to expand it a little.

In Gary's plan with the rods that need to be melted together, OR the spot welding, EITHER one could use the Brown's gas to weld or spot welt these non similar metals together so you can see if this is the right track to follow.

Earlier this summer, I enquired about purchasing a welder from one of those companies. Darn,  they never replied.

So, I will be making a small thing that will look like the HHO bubblers for cars only with a welding tip. This will be easy. (I just need to clear some space from other things - crystal battery included!)  ;D  ;D

Gary, maybe you could make one there where you are.
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@ Drammon
My other thoughts have to do with your experience with Alum pyramids.

Maybe you could produce a bunch of seeds??

I think you should ask the group about Aluminum again. After all this Crystal Alum Pyramid is made from saturated aqueous solution of potassium aluminum sulphate - Alum- that precipitates by landing on an alum seed and continuing to grow.

And it is the vortex flow of the water solution that seems to do the magic.

Oh, yes, and the heat of a light bulb to keep more alum in solution.

I'd call this low budget and easy. I think this may be a really good place to start.


The other thought/question I have for you Drammon, is would you be able to devise a way to make silicon crystals using sodium silicate?

It is very thick so it would be harder than the water you use for alum.
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Zmonkey,

What is it about silicon that makes it hard to make a crystal?

 Nature forms these crystals all the time.

I can't think of a method nature uses to draw out a thread to make a crystal.

Do you know what is required as a minimum?

Nature does have a lot of force and heat from time to time, but this manufacturing process seems way too complicated. I wonder if it is really necessary for this? OR really I wonder what parts are the necessary parts?

I have more questions, but I want to actually read the whole electrinium pdf first.

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Oh one more thing,

I came here to find out what those on this thread found out about electrinium, because I want to start a thread about the thought that keeps burning that the ancients used the baghdad "battery" to make HHO. I am wondering if that unit that was found was really filled with carbon or electrinium and connected as an electrolyzer to make a slow constant process of HHO; so, I am glad I am reading this thread, and may we will once again contribute to each other's ideas and experiments!

thank you all,

jeanna

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #125 on: September 28, 2008, 02:38:13 AM »

In Gary's plan with the rods that need to be melted together, OR the spot welding, EITHER one could use the Brown's gas to weld or spot welt these non similar metals together so you can see if this is the right track to follow.


Welcome  jeanna

It is nice to see you here. 

:)

About  melting  the electinium with  HHO   It might save energy and time .
But it might not . 
As  I said in a previous  post  most  of  my basic  plan  was " channeled" 
I  read a little and  picked up images .   I have to try to understand  the images  the best I can .

If  you hit some materials  with a high  voltage it will create  channels for sparks . 
The  channels are  inside the  material so  you can't see the sparks .  but you  have in effect  a multiple spark gap .

I am  thinking that  the  2 metals ( in the electinium compound ) should  form  similar  channels if the  current is high enough . 
I am  greatly  oversimplifying   it . I do think that  it  will form channels .  but  not hollow  channels  that a spark  moves through.
The  current  will find the  path of least resistance .
   
The   Electinium  compound  should  have almost  equal  resistance  throughout .  so  the  current should   choose  millions  of small  paths  from  molecule  to molecule  .
If the electrinium  compound  within those paths   is melted  and the  current  is  lowered slow enough  they should solidify  with the molecules  still in alignment. 

I am now thinking that adding  a  non  conductive powder might  be a good idea.    It would spread out the electrinium compound   and FORCE  the  current into  small streams

I just  got an image  about the  non  conductive  powder .
The  ratio  of   powder to  electriium  compound  would be important. 
There would be several times more powder than electrinium .   
The  channels  would  form  where  the current   would  find a low enough  path through the entire   junction.   
Electrinium  particles  that  were not in  a low resistance path  would in effect be  wasted ...they would  be held out of the circuit  by the  powder

I am thinking that  higher  current  would   create more channels .

I am thinking that  the voltage  applied  and the ratio of non conductive powder to electinium compound  would  at least roughly  set the  final output  voltage.. 
 Another  way to set the output voltage would be the  thickness of the junction

Jeanna
if the channels  are formed easily  then  melting the  mix first might  help .
I am still leaning toward  my  original  plan because  it would be  easy to  duplicate  ...............   or automate 
The  " crucible "  for the process  becomes the  body of the battery.   
The  electrodes  become the contacts .


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I came here to find out what those on this thread found out about electrinium, because I want to start a thread about the thought that keeps burning that the ancients used the baghdad "battery" to make HHO. I am wondering if that unit that was found was really filled with carbon or electrinium and connected as an electrolyzer to make a slow constant process of HHO; so, I am glad I am reading this thread, and may we will once again contribute to each other's ideas and experiments!



I am not  sure if  electinium  will do that ..........but the idea is interesting
I have found that  when an idea keeps popping up in my  head there is usually a reason for it .

gary

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #126 on: September 28, 2008, 03:17:55 AM »
Hi!

I am glad that Jeanna joined us. I have seen her efforts in other threads. Specially Earth battery coils.
Welcome!!

Jesus

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« Reply #127 on: September 28, 2008, 07:30:37 AM »
Thank you for the welcome Gary and Jesus,

I am unclear what this electrinium that you are using is. Do you have a consensus about it?

I thought it was the used sludge in a dead battery. (carbon - zinc?)

The crystal battery folks have been shooting high voltage into the cells and getting interesting results.

Especially Ian. He has one or 2 that even grow in "power" over time. Interesting stuff. I have a wimhurst machine, but I haven't zapped any of my cells. My cells are all silicate based.

Anyway, I would like to know what you are thinking this electrinium is. I have been rolling the idea around all summer.

I have been thinking in terms of silicates, but in the earth galvanic battery I had the best result using spent carbon filter granules and a zinc probe. I was thinking I'd get them into a mix with zinc or a galvanized pipe etc...

I just read the part about the actual building of the electrinium cell. He says to be very careful (as zmonkey does) in making the crystal from silicates, then he has you reheat it I think 2 more times. I wonder what the effect on the charges would be if you just made the silicon crystal once and included the other ingredients in it?? and then put the charge with the resistor as it cools.

I really like the idea of the HHO as welding gas to melt the whole thing. If you can weld a rock with this stuff It is the perfect candidate IMHO to use to heat the silicates into a mass to make the.crystal - a portable alchemical furnace.

So, really my first steps will probably be HHO welder.  And, I will keep watching this thread.

I love this kind of thinking, but I can't start for a couple of weeks!!  ;D

thank you,
jeanna

OOPS Drannom, I apologize, I misspelled your name.
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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #128 on: September 28, 2008, 01:46:58 PM »
Zmonkey,
What is it about silicon that makes it hard to make a crystal?
Nature forms these crystals all the time.
jeanna
Howdy Jeanna,

Most of the crystals you find in nature are silicon dioxide, an insulator (glass).  The pretty quartz crystals you see everywhere are silicon dioxide.  These are relatively easily formed, and don't need a perfect crystal form to be useful.  But pure silicon crystals are hardly ever found in nature, when they are found they are never semiconductor quality crystals.  You can find pure silicon in nature, albeit rarely.  In order for the silicon to be useful in electronics in needs to be a very high quality crystal which is totally free from cracks.  A crack breaks the lines of continuity and the conductor pathways are broken, you have open wires, doesn't conduct.  To make the silicon crystal form of the Electrinium Battery extreme care must be taken in the fabrication of the Electrinium Crystals but once they are in their final manufactured form they will be a lot more resilient because of the batteries packaging.  The crystal form is subject to cracking when it is being fabricated, but when it cooled and packaged it is hard as a rock, literally.  I still think the grown crystal form of the Electrinium Battery is going to work the best.  The problem is funding it, something I am working on...

Blessed Be...

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #129 on: September 28, 2008, 03:46:18 PM »
Hi!

I built an HHO hydrolizer with pieces of two stainless steel cups I had. The bottle to enclose the cell was plastic and the charger I used to put it to work had a steady 10A of current. I could not get a fluent stream of HHO gas and the bottle melted from the heat generated.
I bought a PWM and used it with another charger at 2A 12V and the Hydrolizer worked a little bit and one capacitor of it blew with a very big sound covering me with pieces of paper and scaring the hell out of me. Now I am stopped.

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #130 on: September 28, 2008, 09:46:10 PM »
@ zmonkey,
thanks. That is a great answer.

I may try the HHO thing just to see, anyway. I saw in a Yull Brown/HHO movie online somewhere, where he changes rocks with the welder and makes the surface get shiny and hard. Since I want it to work, I will see if I can get somewhere on it.

@ Jesus, I think there are lots of threads here at OU on HHO where the participants can help with the build. ( For instance, too much electrolyte makes too much Amperage and too much heat. etc.)

I only mention the HHO welder because I think it is a small and cheap way to possibly achieve this crucible effect with the Silicon and make a crystal.

Thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #131 on: September 28, 2008, 10:49:52 PM »


I am unclear what this electrinium that you are using is. Do you have a consensus about it?

I thought it was the used sludge in a dead battery. (carbon - zinc?)


Jeanna
Yes it is  the  sludge  left  behind  after a battery  has been used for a while.

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Chapter 10
THE FIRST ELECTRINIUM UNIT
Let us make a small model Unit. Let us use time-tested elements and processes already in use
today. Let us select Silver and Iron for our Electrinium Compound. Iron and Silver are being used
in many of the new and improved batteries of the world. Silver will be the positive element and
Iron the negative. If we could find a worn out Silver-Iron battery there would be enough Silver-
Iron compound in its bottom to make many Electrinium Units. Or, let us build a small storage battery
and compound our own Silver-Iron molecules through the discharge-charge process. The battery
need not be large. Four sheets of Silver, size three inches by four for the positive side, five sheets
of Iron for the negative using lead terminals for each side. We will assemble them in a standard
battery form using separators cut to size from and old battery. A five inch square glass refrigerator
jar could be the case. We can compound our electrolyte from distilled water and Sodium Cyanide,
compounded to a density to provide a circuit of conductivity of two and a half volts resistance
reading on the voltmeter mounted within the circuit. This battery can be fabricated very easily at
a very low cost. A few hours of use will produce enough Electrinium Compound to make one or
more Units.


I don't  remember ever seeing a  silver  iron  battery .....

He  talks about how important harmony  is in  chapter 9   but  the  only  electinium  compounds   he mentions in the  PDF are  gold silver  and  platinum  each  pared with iron


gary

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2008, 10:55:23 PM »
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...

I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).

I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...

is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?

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« Reply #133 on: September 28, 2008, 11:21:10 PM »
So you believe the Illuminati are involved? Very interesting.

Can you substantiate your claim that Tesla was removed from history books prior to the Internet?

Did the Illuminati overlook the following books which are pre widespread Internet use (~1995 by my reckoning)? Would I be able to find these books in a library or would they have been seized by the Illuminati already?

    * Anderson, Leland I., "Dr. Nikola Tesla (1856–1943)", 2d enl. ed., Minneapolis, Tesla Society. 1956. LCCN /L
    * Auster, Paul, "Moon Palace", 1989. Tells Tesla's story - among other's - within the history of the United States.
    * Cheney, Margaret, "Tesla: Man Out of Time", 1981. ISBN .
    * Childress, David H., "The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla," 1993. ISBN
    * Glenn, Jim, "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla," 1994. ISBN
    * O'Neill, John Jacob,"Prodigal Genius," 1944. Paperback reprint 1994, ISBN .
    * Ratzlaff, John and Lee Anderson, "Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography", Ragusan Press, Palo Alto, California, 1979, 237 pages. 
    * Tesla, Nikola, "My Inventions" Parts I through V published in the Electrical Experimenter monthly magazine from February through June, 1919. Part VI published October, 1919. Reprint edition with introductory notes by Ben Johnson, New York: Barnes and Noble,1982, ISBN; also online at "My Inventions", 1919. ISBN


yes you are right, Tesla was not erased, i read somewhere that Marcony is claiming to be the inventor of radio waves communication in some old hhistory book, in fact it was Tesla !, then many brevet patented from Tesla were used and no one mention that is coming from Tesla, Tesla's invention has been used illegaly, this is what i think and i may be wrong, i read that somewhere

@all

i am about to read the chapiter 9 and it is more wonderfull than ever cause i have a better understanding in english now, i have learned up to now what is the meaning of gravity from electrinium and it is different that the theory in the Super Light link, so which one is the real one gravity theory, my brain will brainstorm on it for a while

@Jesus yes i know all about Brown Gas, one of my friend have it ! but for my purpose i just want to get two metals heat up to a liquid state

anyway i have to finish to reread the electrinium again, hahaha

i am happy to see resonanceman read it cautionnally too

i will come back in few days with my new concept of the steel electrinium

now we have 3 type of electrinium to study, with iron-carbon, with iron-silver, and thanks resonanceman we have a third kind with old silver-iron battery

keep going studying




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« Reply #134 on: September 28, 2008, 11:33:47 PM »
@ Drannom... Whatif you were to layer what you need all in one "grow"? In such a manner that your constituent components (like flowing in the K Alum) could be switched midstream with a new substance...

I used to work with MOCVD reactors that grew laminated laser diodes on an indium substrate. THey would heat up the indium disc and flow different materials around it (cladding/active region[N/P regions]/cladding). The biggest concern was lattice matching (which they checked via X-ray).

I imagine it would take some research into the crystalline lattice matrices of each constituent component to get a close match at each phase without voids or the possibility of de-lamination,but it would be an interesting idea to just "grow" this whole thing in one operation and avoid any fusing/welding/torching operations completely...

is that possible? have you ever changed or added ingredients while making one of those pyramids?

hypersoniq

I think it  would be possible ..........but I am no expert .

I tried to  explain my ideas about it  back on reply 105.

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