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Dr.Greenthumb

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water heated in a microwave oven
« on: August 23, 2008, 07:26:34 AM »
Has anyone tried heating water in a microwave oven and then sticking it in your hho cells?from what i have read distilled microwaved water has a higher boiling point then normal tap water. Look what happens when sugar is added to microwaved water! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqqpDF4bVw

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 03:47:00 PM »
DR for this to happen you need a very very smooth [new?] container the bubbles don't /can't? form it seems  Also anything [almost ] dropped into the glass would cause this dangerous result. However interesting point on the HHO
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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 04:59:08 AM »
They Claim or I read that the Water resonant Frequency is  43.8Khz and 925Khz.   It was also stated it to be somewhere around 2.4Ghz.
Supposedly  that is why that frequency was chosen for the the Microwave oven.
This is not necessarily my belief but that seems to be the general consensus.
My Point is if so,then one would expect to have disassociation ,producing Hydrogen and Oxygen as a result.
I have not come across anyone trying to light the boiling water in a Microwave oven to see if it ignites.
Further if Kanzius did this with saltwater and RF, producing just Hydrogen ( as it did not go pop just burned) it would be interesting to
see if there was a Flame, since most microwave Ovens produce an even higher RF level than that Kanzius had used.
Anyone brave enough to try this? I have a feeling it won't work but it is worth a try.
Perhaps a burning candle besides your water dish?
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Has anyone tried heating water in a microwave oven and then sticking it in your hho cells?from what i have read distilled microwaved water has a higher boiling point then normal tap water. Look what happens when sugar is added to microwaved water! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqqpDF4bVw

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 06:15:23 PM »
if you were to take distilled water and heat it in the microwave to boiling point it would not boil becuase of the lack of no impurities.....then if you were to add it to your cell the water would instantly boil and "explode" everywhere becuase of the impurities in the cell....even if the cell was 100 pure the steel tubes would add impurities to the water.

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 12:57:08 AM »
Hi kinesisfilm
I saw a Video of that on Utube where someone added sugar into a glass of hot microwaved Water, yes it literally exploded.
Well did it release hydrogen and Oxygen at the same time, that would have been my Question.
Also I stated using Sodium ie  saltwater and  being conductive, it should  come to a boil.
When it boils will it produce Hydrogen and Chlorine?
I was referring to John Kanzius Experiment using  a lower frequency RF.
I hope I did make myself clear this time.
Microwave-Saltwater - a burning Candle......... What happens?
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if you were to take distilled water and heat it in the microwave to boiling point it would not boil becuase of the lack of no impurities.....then if you were to add it to your cell the water would instantly boil and "explode" everywhere becuase of the impurities in the cell....even if the cell was 100 pure the steel tubes would add impurities to the water.
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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 03:24:21 AM »
electrolysis creates steam.....when hte production of steam is increased the production of hydrogen begins to slowly decrease......stanley meyers didn't like heat in his cell.....i would presume that since the water molecules are moving incredibly fast due to the addded heat energy that the voltage would ahve a hard time pulling hte molecules apart since the molecules seem to have more energy that that being applied......i think cooling water would be the smarter way to go.....going towards the point when molecules do not move.

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 06:14:05 AM »
In a Brute force Electrolysis and dont take my word for it ,look it up it has been confimed by many others  and I have proven it to myself by trial and error..
Heat speeds up the current flow in a Cell that means there is more Hydrogen and Oxygen Production.
I had a small Container with tiny electrodes almost boil and you were still able to ignite the Hydroxy.
Meyers was not using RF fields nor was he using Brute force DC electrolysis and therefore it is a complete different concept with different rules
He was not running immense amounts of Current through his Cell and running less than 500 Ma certainly will not cause the Heat of 10 to 50 amps that others are using.
I am going down the Path Meyers took as efficiency is my main goal.
I think there is too much theory flying around here which is unproductive ,experiment and report should be our motto.
In m,y Case I was hoping that someone braver than myself would try to follow up on my suggestion and report back his findings it was food for thought.
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electrolysis creates steam.....when hte production of steam is increased the production of hydrogen begins to slowly decrease......stanley meyers didn't like heat in his cell.....i would presume that since the water molecules are moving incredibly fast due to the addded heat energy that the voltage would ahve a hard time pulling hte molecules apart since the molecules seem to have more energy that that being applied......i think cooling water would be the smarter way to go.....going towards the point when molecules do not move.
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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 10:57:38 PM »
electrolysis creates steam.....when hte production of steam is increased the production of hydrogen begins to slowly decrease......stanley meyers didn't like heat in his cell.....i would presume that since the water molecules are moving incredibly fast due to the addded heat energy that the voltage would ahve a hard time pulling hte molecules apart since the molecules seem to have more energy that that being applied......i think cooling water would be the smarter way to go.....going towards the point when molecules do not move.

 I see what you mean. Maybe trying to make the water so cold, almost to freezing point or below jump keep a pump moving it so it will not freeze?has anyone ever tried messing with cooler then normal water temps? water has many stages through out...

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2008, 11:31:46 PM »
Has anyone attempted to stick electrodes into a block of ice and apply dc current?  Would any electrolysis take place at all?  I have always wondered about this.

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 02:35:13 AM »
Bill  A very cool suggestion  H20 in its frozen state  wonder what happens to the covalent bonds?
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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 03:36:01 AM »
I remember reading a while ago (few years now) that someone rigged a lawnmower to run on water by compressing it and them using a flash from some part out of a microwave. His problem was keeping the power to maintain the microwave component. Possible thought for a conversion or just to look it up... Movie on thetube more than likely. Still interesting... Interesting test (how the guy with the lawnmower said he discovered it) film canister with water in it (quantity unknown) in the microwave on high... POP!!!

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2008, 07:48:33 PM »
with reference to the idea of getting hho from ice..

this may or may not work, but what i would say is that it would probably use more energy that doing it in water. my take on this would be like this.

water in a liquid state is in constant motion, the molecules of water are also in motion, the molecules actually move in 3 different ways at the same time.  this way when we try to break it there is room for the bonds to move and break

however if the water were frozen and you tried to get hho from it first of all you will use energy melting the ice to liquid but in the very same instance it becomes liquid the bonds will break.

this leads to the conclusion that if we were to use water at 1degree c this would be the best bet.

now here is food for thought. lets just say that 1 degree turns out to be the magic temperature, how would we keep the temperature this low ???? refridgeration tends to use a lot of power.

i belive the key to be in the normal temperature range. 

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2008, 08:07:05 PM »
@ Hydro-Cell:

You may be correct.  But, what if, since the molecules are bunched together and less active in the frozen state, it turns out to take LESS energy to separate them?  You may not have to work as hard to overcome their bonds as their energy state is lowered due to the freezing?  This is just a thought, I have no basis in fact to support this idea.  I was thinking along the line of what happens in a superconductor.  When you reach the ideal temperature for that material, resistance goes to 0.  Like you said, the ideal temperature for water may be just a tick above the freezing level where it is still liquid, or, if I am correct, just below it.

Either way, you are correct in that unless it really increases production by an order of magnitude, any gains would be lost to the energy required for cooling to either just above or just below 0c.  Of course this may work well outside in the winter for producing gas for heating purposes but, I really have no idea if there would be any improvement or not.

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2008, 08:35:23 PM »
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High-temperature electrolysis

High-temperature electrolysis (also HTE or steam electrolysis) is a method currently being investigated for water electrolysis with a heat engine. High temperature electrolysis is more efficient than traditional room-temperature electrolysis because some of the energy is supplied as heat, which is cheaper than electricity, and because the electrolysis reaction is more efficient at higher temperatures

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water



Hope this helps.

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Re: water heated in a microwave oven
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 02:30:39 AM »
@ Hans:

Oh well, guess I was wrong then.  It isn't the first time.... ha ha.  Thanks.

Bill