Author Topic: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM) (Read 35370 times)

4Tesla · « **Reply #30 on:** August 23, 2008, 07:40:10 AM »

@CLaNZeR

Your design should work that I attached.. have you tried it yet? I am working on building a motor that is very similar to your design. I have attached it also.. the slants are where the magnets go.. I think filling in the triangles have confused a lot of people... sorry. I have decided to go with four magnets on the rotor like yours to give it more torque.

Jason

4Tesla · « **Reply #31 on:** August 23, 2008, 08:20:50 AM »

I was reading some of the earlier posts of people saying that this motor won't work.. I think they thought that the whole inner circle spun.. the triangles (one side of a gate) are all stationary.. the only thing that spins is the line (the rotor) which has two magnets at each end that were not shown in the graphic... now I going to use four magnets.

Jason

Edit: I just updated and attached my graphic to show the trigates with red lines and to show the four magnets on the rotor. The cross or "X" is the rotor and only thing that spins.. not the inner circle.

dieter · « **Reply #32 on:** August 24, 2008, 03:47:57 AM »

Any news? This is a pretty simple design, is there anybody who built it?

I think I have an idea on how this should work. There are several Gate Methods, like the trigate. Usually they work well from Point A to Point B, but as soon as I try to close a loop there will be a sticky point where it stops. So, no sticky point problems with this design? BTW interesting pictures of the magnetic flux. Maybe the one with the longer start and end magnets shows a possible solution to the problem?

4Tesla · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2008, 05:51:32 AM »

Hi Dieter,

Yep.. I'm building this.. I have ordered the supplies and should have a build to test within two months.

I believe the trigate configuration is the key to solving the stickies and walls.. also gaps to keep the magnets from a closed loop as that also causes problems. I may use eight magnets for the rotor.. I was going to use 2 and then 4, but now I link 8 would work best.. I probably will try all three.

Jason

4Tesla · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2008, 06:04:12 AM »

This video by CLaNZeR: http://www.overunity.org.uk/tri-gate/CLaNZeRSTri-ForceGate14.wmv proves that the extended entrance and exit does reduce the wall!

My first build will be without extensions, but I may add if I can't get it to work.

Jason

Attached is the flux simulation:

eavogels · « **Reply #35 on:** August 26, 2008, 09:39:05 AM »

Hello.

I have a thought about these gates as well:
I'm thinking about 3 tracks with gates parallel, with all the 3 runners on the same axis.
Since the wall in the entry gate for 1 track is just as strong as the kick in the exit; the force of 2 exit kicks is needed to help 1 runner through the entry wall. Now we have to set upp the gates so that 2 exists are always parallel with 1 entry.

Now I'm not sure I wrote this so clear and I will try to draw a picture tonight to see if this is physical possible.

Eric.

MODIFIED:
My first drawings showed already that the idea is not working. No mather with how many tracks I start; since I need 2 tracks to start 1 track, I have at the end only 1 track left. /Eric

4Tesla · « **Reply #36 on:** August 26, 2008, 09:30:32 PM »

Quote from: eavogels on August 26, 2008, 09:39:05 AM

Hello.

I have a thought about these gates as well:
I'm thinking about 3 tracks with gates parallel, with all the 3 runners on the same axis.
Since the wall in the entry gate for 1 track is just as strong as the kick in the exit; the force of 2 exit kicks is needed to help 1 runner through the entry wall. Now we have to set upp the gates so that 2 exists are always parallel with 1 entry.

Now I'm not sure I wrote this so clear and I will try to draw a picture tonight to see if this is physical possible.

Eric.

MODIFIED:
My first drawings showed already that the idea is not working. No mather with how many tracks I start; since I need 2 tracks to start 1 track, I have at the end only 1 track left. /Eric

I hope you continue to work on this.. the more the better. I think I'm going to use 8 magnets on my rotor which should give me a 3:1 ratio - 3 magnets going through an array as one enters the array (the wall). If that won't break the wall then I'll try the extensions at the beginning and end of each array.

Jason

Edit: I changed my mind.. I don't think 8 magnets will be better that 4... I still get 3:1 with 4.

4Tesla · « **Reply #37 on:** August 26, 2008, 09:40:29 PM »

I'm thinking instead of Tri-Gate Motor (TGM) we should call it Tri-Gate Permanent Magnet Motor (TGPMM)... What do you think?

Jason

gwhy! · « **Reply #38 on:** August 27, 2008, 10:17:40 AM »

Hi Jason,
Nice work, one thing to consider is the gaps. You may have to make the gaps bigger that is in you drawings. From what I found with putting the gates in a loop is that once you have gone past the 180 degree mark with the gates the walls appear to get even harder to break. But that being said your arrangement works out very well.

4Tesla · « **Reply #39 on:** August 27, 2008, 08:08:04 PM »

Thanks gwhy! I'll be building it soon and keep posting on progress and problems I come across.

Jason

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #40 on:** August 29, 2008, 09:49:02 PM »

Hi Jason

No I did not try this one, it was an idea that was meant to get tried but as usual loads of other ideas got tested instead

Look forward too seeing your results and have my Tri-gates at the ready if it looks promising!

Cheers

Sean.

Quote from: 4Tesla on August 23, 2008, 07:40:10 AM

@CLaNZeR

Your design should work that I attached.. have you tried it yet? I am working on building a motor that is very similar to your design. I have attached it also.. the slants are where the magnets go.. I think filling in the triangles have confused a lot of people... sorry. I have decided to go with four magnets on the rotor like yours to give it more torque.

Jason

4Tesla · « **Reply #41 on:** August 30, 2008, 04:01:51 AM »

My supplies for my build are in the mail and should be here around 9/5.. I'll build as soon as they come and post pics and video.

Jason

4Tesla · « **Reply #42 on:** September 05, 2008, 07:30:02 AM »

I have started building, but some of my magnets wont be here for a couple of weeks..

Jason

4Tesla · « **Reply #43 on:** September 06, 2008, 08:52:23 AM »

The website is broken today.. got here by looking at my latest posts through my profile..
I have my build half done.. I am using two sizes of magnets and order the wrong size for the other half.. I ordered the correct size yesterday. I will barrow my fathers camera and take some photos.. I should have some by next week.

Jason

eavogels · « **Reply #44 on:** September 06, 2008, 01:59:36 PM »

Quote from: 4Tesla on September 06, 2008, 08:52:23 AM

The website is broken today..

(This website is very often broken. Saving money by choosing a cheap host service is not a good thing.)

I follow your progress. Good luck.
Eric.

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