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Offline onlov

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2008, 08:11:30 AM »
All,
please ignore user:
onlov

He is twisting the facts and is not reading.
Thanks.

Sorry but Herr Stefan Hartman itself are liar and dishonest.  

Please, read this link and you see part of his lies!  :(
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5215.msg117675.html#msg117675
« Last Edit: August 02, 2008, 08:41:50 AM by onlov »

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2008, 08:50:46 AM »
If you use the whole bobin ( 2 KOhm) you need to
have a higher supply voltage, which is okay.
You need to get around 2 to 5 mA current draw, when the motor is running
at full speed.
The more copper the better.

Use the most copper wire you can afford ( many turns of coil is import !)
and then use the right supply voltage by putting NiMH 9 Volts batteries in series
or better or bigger motors 12 Volts  lead acid cells in series.

So if you have 2 KOhm wire DC resistance you need for 50 mA
constant current without the commutator:
0.05 A x 2000 Ohm= 100 Volts supply voltage.

So if you use 2000 Ohm coil resistance you must use about 100 Volts
( so about 11 to 12 x 9 Volts NiMH cells in series)
and then with the commutator switches the input current will
go down to around 2 to 5 mA.

So if you want to have a safer suppy voltage, you need to get bigger wire
diameter to have the same number of wire turns for the coil and
then have a lower DC resistannce for the coil.

Would be good to have at least 10 Kg copper wire, so you have
enough turns of copper wire.

Hope this helps.

If you want to save money and use lesscopper, use my idea with the 5 LC tanks in series.

Regards, Stefan.



And if I use 200-250 Ohms coil will it work whit 12V L-A Battery? And what I understand that 9 V NiMH will not show "recharge" effect. I mean, if I start testing whit that 9V battery, his voltage would be let say 8,5V and then I run this motor for couple days, then measure voltages again, it will only drop, because it will not be able to take charge?

But will it still make OU-effect if I use 0,2mm wire and 200-250Ohms? I have countet, that in my bobin 1g = 3,6 meters. And 360 meters give me near 200Ohms, so it will be 100g of wire until I get near 200 Ohms, but that is small amount is it?

And what you think about that, if I use about 150g of wire for "motor coil" and rest of the wire I could wind too, but it could be like generator coil. What you think?

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2008, 09:56:03 AM »
Sorry but Herr Stefan Hartman itself are liar and dishonest.

Please, read this link and you see part of his lies!  :(



First learn english language, when you try to post name callings...

Offline onlov

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2008, 10:45:42 AM »
Still one example:

If you use a charge on the NiMH batteries for my upcoming scooter,
for instance I charge them up with
100 Watthours of energy and
normally the electroscooter will
only go 20 Miles with this energy charge on the batteries.

Then I will use the modified Newman motor
on the electroscooter and again I charge up the empty batteries
with 100 Watthours and then run the scooter with the modified
motor and I will get 150 Miles with the same driving habit and speed until the batteries are empty...

So that is, what I call  usefull overunity....

Maybe the batteries will even last for more miles.
We will see.

It's only nonsenses talk without proving. If Newman motors has efficiency 150/20 = 750% better as coventional motor, Newman will become a rich man. But all of this is talking of nonsenses without any kind of proves. With similar wishful thinking cows will be fly...  ;D

Offline onlov

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2008, 11:02:13 AM »
First learn english language, when you try to post name callings...
Yes, my english is bad. But I see, you understand me perfectly!
Maybe much worse thing is, you are studying at university of Berlin, but still you talk nonsenses of OU. :(
Herr Hartmann, Ich bin auch deutch in die schule gelesen, aber ich habe beinahe alles vergessen.

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
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Offline Careica

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2008, 02:37:38 PM »
Yes, my english is bad. But I see, you understand me perfectly!
Maybe much worse thing is, you are studying at university of Berlin, but still you talk nonsenses of OU. :(
Herr Hartmann, Ich bin auch deutch in die schule gelesen, aber ich habe beinahe alles vergessen.

My guestion about coil:

And if I use 200-250 Ohms coil will it work whit 12V L-A Battery? And what I understand that 9 V NiMH will not show "recharge" effect. I mean, if I start testing whit that 9V battery, his voltage would be let say 8,5V and then I run this motor for couple days, then measure voltages again, it will only drop, because it will not be able to take charge?

But will it still make OU-effect if I use 0,2mm wire and 200-250Ohms? I have countet, that in my bobin 1g = 3,6 meters. And 360 meters give me near 200Ohms, so it will be 100g of wire until I get near 200 Ohms, but that is small amount is it?

And what you think about that, if I use about 150g of wire for "motor coil" and rest of the wire I could wind too, but it could be like generator coil. What you think?

Onolov, why you dont build that motor? Is it so hard to you or what?

I can tell you why Newman motors are not powering our houses, because no one want to buy or investiment Newman machine, because people like you don't belive him. He has demostrates his machine many times, and no one want to buy it, so he are tired to demostrate it for dummies, who don't belive notin.

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2008, 03:00:47 PM »
100kb upload only. come on administration how the f.... am i going to be able to send any plans by this mouseshit size.
had an improvement plan for the newman motor. and now all my comment painstackingly written gone. ahhhhhssss.
 well i want to encourage you guys but onlove has good reasons to pose critics, i too see quite a normal engine here, plasma sparks on communitator, oh well. but i indeed believe overunity is possible. now i feel there are alot of blind amateurs hoping to find the bulls eye by luck, while i would love to see some insight and sharp minds comming up. like fusing you entusiastic right brained beloved brothers mind with onloves clever leftside.
Onlove have you not come across any interesting projects, we wont find new discovery by locking backward by old norms, there is no physics to describe culon forces, high spin atoms, meiznerfields, mind, consciousness. but i must agree in this one, i cannot see it either - just a simple generator.
but my posetive input plans and file was too big. get some f... construction going guys forget you "potplants" and get some efficiency going.
but again imagination is more important than knowledge. though a balance is ideal. also it is not the way to peace, the peace is the way.
love and light

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Offline onlov

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #82 on: August 03, 2008, 09:46:09 AM »
Still one example:

If you use a charge on the NiMH batteries for my upcoming scooter,
for instance I charge them up with
100 Watthours of energy and
normally the electroscooter will
only go 20 Miles with this energy charge on the batteries.

Then I will use the modified Newman motor
on the electroscooter and again I charge up the empty batteries
with 100 Watthours and then run the scooter with the modified
motor and I will get 150 Miles with the same driving habit and speed until the batteries are empty...

So that is, what I call  usefull overunity....

Maybe the batteries will even last for more miles.
We will see.

Stefan claims his motor is least 150/20 = 7,5 time more effective as coventional motor. If conventional motor efficiency is 0,9, it's means Stefans motor get least 6,75 = 675% time as input power. If Stefan connect generator to his motor. Generator efficiency is about 0,9. It means, he get over 6 (600%) time more energy as motor input. He own perpetual mobile machine, which get 6 time more output as input!
 ;D

So Stefan Hartmann is saving the world! Or he is the biggest crakpot on the World!
Meine Damen und Herren!
Is he the biggest iventor on the World or the biggest fool on the planet?    :-\

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #83 on: August 03, 2008, 12:03:43 PM »
100kb upload only. come on administration how the f.... am i going to be able to send any plans by this mouseshit size.had an improvement plan for the newman motor. and now all my comment painstackingly written gone. ahhhhhssss.
......
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Hi Onormanns,

The 100kB limit concerns attachments to posts/replies like we are in now,  and you may upload up to 5MB files at a time (and repeat it one by one) to this Forum here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=upload  and after upload you may find your files in the Download section and may inlude the link in your next post here for kind info to other members here, ok?  Thanks.


@Careica,   please take a look at a new member's excellent attempts on building a Newman motor here if you have not noticed it already: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5287.0.html and also a newbie here with questions: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2898.0.html 

My understanding on the coil you keep asking is that the more turns you make with the higher diameter of wire, it is the better.  Of course, more turns mean longer wire, hence higher copper resistance and the only 'cure' for reducing copper resistance is to use wire of higher diameter.  This involves higher rotary mass for the rotor, besides higher cost.
Quote from Stefan: If you want to save money and use less copper, use my idea with the 5 LC tanks in series.

And if you read the new member, Michelino experiment with this motor, it gets clear that the price for using smaller diameter of wire with many turns, you have to raise the supply voltage (because of the higher resistance of the coil).

Hope these are of some help. I do not know if you reach overunity with your present diameter wire that will give you "only" 200-250 Ohms resistance, who can foretell this? And do not bother in advance on the battery "recharge" effect, later with gaining more insight through experiments you will sure differentiate between a real charge and the "memory" effect...

rgds,  Gyula



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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #84 on: August 04, 2008, 09:50:50 PM »

Hi Stefan and all,

In my initial Newman Motor I used 2 coils 2500 turns each of awg 32 magnet wire (294 ohm total) and although it was best running under 18 volts (.025 ma) it could also run all day with a near depleted 9 volt battery without a recovery circuit.
 
It used 2 round speaker magnets mounted on a .25" steel shaft. They were well glued to prevent any fly off. We used the "no recovery circuit design" to tweak if for maximum rpm and we got it to close to 7,000 rpm but very low torque. I even contacted Jean Louis Naudin about it and his reply was: "J'ai visionn? la vid?o, mais je ne comprends pas bien la manip qui vous a permit de produire la rotation rapide du moteur ? 4000 RPM ?" (He didn't know why we could run it that fast).

***And we got it to run even faster with 2 simple tweaks: smallest possible contact (awg 32 size wire) and the addition of a contact enhancer "stabilant 22A".*** To late, I have told...  :) (A head scratcher for onlov)

If you want recovery, you must use a multi-segment commutator.

In my Version 2 of the Newman Motor, by just adding a 220vac 4uf cap across the coil and in parallel with the spark gap, the rotational speed of the motor doubles. When we have a big cap matched to the coil, the last Newman Motor built will use much less to run.

Take care,

Michel


***The picture is the scope trace of the motor running without hardware commutator as in the film I sent to JLN (he did not see this trace).***

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #85 on: August 04, 2008, 11:18:29 PM »
In my Version 2 of the Newman Motor, by just adding a 220vac 4uf cap across the coil and in parallel with the spark gap, the rotational speed of the motor doubles. When we have a big cap matched to the coil, the last Newman Motor built will use much less to run.

Hi Michel,

Do you mean making a parallel resonant circuit from the rotor's coil and the outside capacitor and find the frequency which will match to the frequency of the rotor?  (I think of the rotor RPM that corresponds to a frequency of course) 

This sounds a good idea to reduce further down the input power but in case the rotor's RPM changes due to any load change on it, then you would have to retune the parallel capacitor to follow the RPM too.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2008, 04:04:36 AM »

Hi gyulasun,

There is still a lot I don't know about this motor, coil optimum frequency, ramp up time for the coil, the peak potential of the bemf, etc...

The commutator I use for now has 24 segments so I pulse 24 times per turn, at 200 rpm I pulse 4,800 times per minute which might be close or near to the minimum ramp up time for the coil. That will limit the maximum revolutions per minute.

The capacitor in place is mainly to dissipate the BEMF during trial tests, I would hate to burn through my magnet wire and scrap a coil. I have saturated the spark gap once and that was enough for me. Seeing a plasma ball around the spark gap and the short-circuit that it induced burnt a few contacts on the previous commutator did slow my effervescence. The final capacitor will be matched to the coil with enough reserve capacitance to promote a self sustained run. Will itself run, possibly, for how long, there too I hope to close the loop but it's not done yet.

My part is done on the motor, now it's my son-in-law's job to fill in the recovery system (Bedini style) and the capacitor matching. I'am already drawing the plans for the alternator and a Stubblefield cell which is this week's project.  :) I did a brainstorming session with him today and the concept is clear but will it work?

Take care,

Michel

There is a lot I understand about the Joseph Newman motor but this thing still has a few secrets that few know.


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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2008, 04:20:43 AM »

Re gyulasun,

I almost forgot to tell you another secret of the Newman Motor that many don't know. You run the motor for an hour and the coils are cooler than before the run test.... JLN saw this too.

Supraconduction or peltier effect? We are still speculating on this one....

 ;)

Michel

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2008, 10:20:51 AM »
Josepf Newman claims his machine efficiency is 800%, maybe 8000% with better construction.
The Energy Machine of Josepf Newman, page 26.
(http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00804/2466490.gif)

Why he makes stupid and pathosfull demostration videos with nonsenses? Better way to demonstration is to connect generator to his overunitymachine as self running motor-generator, that produces electricity 8 times more as input power!

Maybe his motor is only scam. Is his motor really works as he says?
Propable not. If this is really working machine, it has been manufacturing and we can buy it from shops!


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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2008, 12:16:55 PM »
Yeah, hard to understand what causes such kind of uneducatedness.
Carbon fusion ...Supraconduction (au menu de la ...;-) ... what else?
Is it because The OverUnity Prize ?
I can unterstand our Moderator - this is just business - but some kind of limit about crass ignorance also need to exist - at least to allow free critique,
Any smallest critics will be beat the shit out of   - illiteracy, blither, bullshit and foolery be in flower,  Why???
I hope at least the same tolerance about dissenters,
With all my heart I do hope to see the overunity, I try myself as well,
My belief is that OU exist - but my understanding speaks that Newman motor is not overunity,
Why to interpret such kind of understanding as crime against OU community?
khabe


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