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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2006, 01:37:44 PM »
Hi everyone,

I took some pictures yesterday using a conventional camera (I couldn't locate my digital until today). They are not the quality I had hoped but enough to show the beaker, soln, electrodes, and wires.

You can see the tungsten welding rod on your left and the galvanized nail on your right. The cover is a plastic lid for a one quart container that i pierced with the electrodes. This held them securely in place. The second picture shows the wires connected together, initiating the reaction.

The gas collects in the dead space between the liquid surface and the plastic lid, but it can escape through the pour lip of the beaker.

« Last Edit: November 12, 2006, 02:06:11 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2006, 02:14:28 PM »
Hi mramos,

I would say that using Linnard's patent process to produce your hydrogen gas could be an alternative. I don't know if it would really be any safer but it is a new technology that needs to be investigated. That is why I did this experiment. I wanted to confirm its validity.

The patent is available for download in this thread, near the earlier posts.

Here is the link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=518.0;attach=1830

As I stated in the previous posts. I replicated experiment #13 of the patent. the procedure is outlined very clearly there. It does use caustic NaOH (10%) so there is still the danger of burns.

Good luck and PLEASE be safe.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2006, 03:46:56 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2006, 02:22:44 PM »
Hi mikestocks20,

I will be taking more observations but I am sorry to say I did not treat this as a true analytical experiment. I only wanted to put it together and see if it worked. I did not take careful weights like I should have. In this way I am embarassed because I have been doing research for a long time and I was very sloppy on this experiment.

I will try and get as much information as I can from what I have, letting everyone know what I am sure of and what I don't know for sure.

About Chemalloy, I've seen commercials for it in the past and it looked great as a welding substance. Maybe I'm thinking of allumiloy? I'm not sure. As an electrode potential it looks interesting and needs to be investigated. The combinations of metals looks very interesting. I have not made future plans for research in this area yet, but I will consider it.

I'm glad you got the joke of my handle, my colleague is ResinRat1 (lol)

Thank you for your interest.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2006, 03:59:53 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2006, 11:04:49 PM »
I will be taking more observations but I am sorry to say I did not treat this as a true analytical experiment. I only wanted to put it together and see if it worked. I did not take careful weights like I should have. In this way I am embarassed because I have been doing research for a long time and I was very sloppy on this experiment.

I will try and get as much information as I can from what I have, letting everyone know what I am sure of and what I don't know for sure.

ResinRat your excitement to replicate is much more appriciated here then proper analytical results, honestly as long as the tungsten carbide and nickel electrodes do not appear to have pores or plating from redux we'll know exactly what we need to know. I have also read recently that ionized metals are often sold as colloidal metals so that would explain the slight color chage that occured. I will also be replicating this in the coming weeks, and I am in the process of obtaining tungsten carbide rods at the moment. Stefan if you are still haveing troubles obtaining your tungsten carbide I will gladly ship you a care package of rods next week.

Resin please back to us with a discription of the electrode surfaces after apox 60 hours of use. I hope the normal tungsten worked well and I can wait to hear your results confirming the patent. I'm litterally giddy! ;D

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2006, 11:57:15 PM »
Hi ResinRat2,
I think someone once said to Thomas Edison, you failed 2000 times before you made a light bulb, and he replied, "No, I now know 2000 ways how not to make a light bulb".

I suppose your next step is to increase the electrode area in the solution and see how long the reaction will last for.

Keep up the good work, I am looking forward to your next set of results.

Regards

Rob

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2006, 01:48:59 AM »
ResinRat,
many thanks for posting the pics.
I am looking forward to see your next results.


Stefan if you are still haveing troubles obtaining your tungsten carbide I will gladly ship you a care package of rods next week.


Well until now I only have thoriated Tungsten rods over here.

I saw on Ebay a few auctions, that just only sell weddings rings and
bracelets made out of TungstenCarbid,
but no welding rods or other rods.

Where can one get these ?
Are also Tungstencarbid plates available, to get a bigger surface area ?

Many thanks.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2006, 02:01:49 AM »
Hello kingrs,
do you know that Mr. Edison bought a "light bulb"-patent from a
canadian inventor ?

S
  dL
p.s.: a search for "the greatest canadian inventors" gives more information

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2006, 03:05:02 AM »
Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the comments and encouragement. I am glad so many people are interested in this experiment. I was going over the posts and I made a list of the items I plan on looking for:

Examination of the texture appearance of each electrode. Looking for evidence of pitting or plating. I will compare these to a couple of unused electrodes. See if I notice any changes.

Measure the DC current across the shorted electrodes.

Give an approximate weight of water consumption (sorry but evaporation will have to be included in this weight. I needed the container open for venting.) This will be over a period of 40 hours when I actually took a weight of the apparatus.

I could run a solids test of the solution in the electrolysis unit and compare it to the solids of the unused solution, but the unused solution was stored in a sealed jar over the weekend. This may not be of much use. I could run it just for interest.

I will also try and add extra tungsten electrodes to see if the gas generation increases with the extra surface area. This one is probably a no-brainer, but I will do it anyway for information purposes.

I also need to remind everyone that I do have other work I need to do at work (lol) not just play time. So have patience. I may leave it going if I am adventurous, but we shall see. I hate to put it away too soon. It is starting to feel like a pet, if you know what I mean. Especially with everyone's encouragement.

That's the plan for Monday. We shall see how it goes as long as I get the chance to work on it between my projects.

Thanks everyone for making this experiment feel worthwhile.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2006, 05:28:25 AM »
ResinRat,
many thanks for posting the pics.
I am looking forward to see your next results.


Stefan if you are still haveing troubles obtaining your tungsten carbide I will gladly ship you a care package of rods next week.


Well until now I only have thoriated Tungsten rods over here.

I saw on Ebay a few auctions, that just only sell weddings rings and
bracelets made out of TungstenCarbid,
but no welding rods or other rods.

Where can one get these ?
Are also Tungstencarbid plates available, to get a bigger surface area ?

Many thanks.

I have a friend who is trying to obtain the rods for her welding supply shop for us, she will be sending me a package of sample rods in the next week and I can forward some to Stefan and resin and anyone else who is really serious about replicating and testing the assertions of experiment 13. Resin after close reading of the patent you are a pro, this is by far the most important experiment listed in the patent and I'm glad you help "catalyze" us in to build mode. I'll be posting more information about obtaining the components as I get it. About plates of Tungsten carbide, they could be used in this cell just like in any battery or electrolysis cell, but we would only need obtain plates plated in tungsten carbide. If indeed there is no loss in potential it means there is no loss in surface area, which means no redox! If our intial tests with these rods provide proof of 100 hours of life or more it may be even more power then we think, the second video claims 350ml per min electrolyzed water per minute, thats over 550 gallons in 100 hours. Wow, this thing absolutely will change the world if it even comes close to the claims.

Thanks again to all who are taking part,
~Dingus

Dont let us get you fired yet resinrat, there is more to test! LOL!!! :D

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2006, 12:26:08 PM »
Hi Stefan and Dingus,

I was doing further study of the patent this morning and paragraph 0116 states that this particular reaction (experiment #13) experimentally found that the production of hydrogen occured at a higher rate than oxygen (confirmed by my experiment), thus the reduction of the zinc did not occur at a rate fast enough to compete with the oxidation of zinc. The zinc anode would eventually deplete. So this will likely occur, as stated in the patent, and the reaction would stop.

However, paragraph 0117 states that the application of an external electrical potential in the direction opposite to the current flow, as outlined in experiment 15, would cause the zinc to reform on the anode and the production of oxygen to occur. So the anode can be regenerated or replaced. So maybe its use as a voltaic power source is limited but the oxidation of the zinc can be reversed. The removal of the power source (or its reversal, if you want to speed up the reaction), after regeneration, will allow the reaction to again produce hydrogen.

So, it's not all bad news. In fact, it's not bad news at all. The normal electrolysis requires electrical current anyway, this way maybe less than half the time it would require external current to be added; or simply keep the external power source applied and reverse it as each reaction slows. There will still be a net gain in energy due to hydrogen's high energy potential.  I will study the patent further, but I just wanted to add this information for everyone to see.

There is so much information in this patent, including using the reaction as a power source, that it will take a bit of time to study. I recommend you all take your time and read it further. It has many tidbits of knowledge that can branch out into other projects.

I wonder if we could have two cells going, one that had the zinc oxidized, the other starting fresh, and let them power each other???? Maybe just a crazy thought. It's early in the morning for me so cut me some slack on any goofey ideas I might be dreaming up at this point.

Thanks for your interest.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2006, 01:52:17 PM »
Hi everyone,

Well, sometime over the last 40 hours the reaction has stopped. When I walked in this morning no activity was seen in the beaker and the zinc electrode had a dark surface. The reduction of the zinc did not keep up with the oxidation, this confirms what I read in the patent this morning before I came to work. The solution in the beaker looks clear.

A total of 22 grams of water (with evaporation included) was consumed in the reaction before it died. This is over a 40 hour period since I weighed the apparatus on Saturday (for me here in the United States).  Three moles of gas for every 2 moles of water theoretically gives a volume generation of 22g water/18g per mole water x 22.4L/mole x 3moles gas per 2 moles of water  = 41 liters of gas generated over a 40 hour period. Of course it is most likely less time. I think this calculation is correct. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This is with a 1/16" tungsten electrode.

I brought the solution volume in the beaker back up to its original volume of 80ml with deionized water, then I took a AA 1.5 volt battery and connected the positive electrode to the zinc and the negative to the tungsten. Nothing happened. This was expected if the zinc oxidation had occured.

I then switched the connections and the zinc electrode began to vigorously produce gas. This must be the oxygen that was talked about in the patent. The reaction is vigorous. After 5 minutes it looks like the zinc electrode is beginning to lighten. I will allow this reaction to continue until I see a great slowdown. Then I will remove the battery and see what happens. Theoretically it should start producing hydrogen again.

This is a very interesting experiment. I will keep adding observations as it continues.

 

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2006, 02:54:33 PM »
Hi everyone,

Just a thought. Looking at it from an equilibrium point of view, since it is a combination of chemical reactions, I wonder if increasing the concentrations of the components that favor the reduction of zinc might shift the equilibrium of the reaction back toward the zinc reduction side. This would balance the reaction and maybe avoid, or slow the depleting of the zinc electrode. This would probably slow the hydrogen production but it might still proceed at an acceptable level.

I'm just brainstorming. Somebody give me your thoughts.

Thanks for your interest.

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« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2006, 04:38:38 PM »
Hello,

here some info about tungsten carbide, unfortunately only in german ( wikipedia ). Maybe it is also there available in englisch.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolframcarbid

It is not welding-rods. it is a very hard material used for drilling of hard metals or used as tank-cracking weapons ( supplement of uranium).

I am still doing further research. Hope you got the point.

Kator

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« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2006, 05:00:00 PM »
Hello,

here english information about tungsten carbide. This is a german website of a company in Austria which sells
tungsten-carbide powder:

http://www.wolfram.at/wolfram_at/wDeutsch/produkte/carbid/WC_eigenschaften.html

Research continues
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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2006, 05:03:25 PM »
Hi,

Here is the English language wikipedia on tungsten carbide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten_carbide

Gyula