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Offline Koen1

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2008, 11:09:37 AM »
Now I bet this has been suggested before,
but would it not be possible to "simply" use
antennae and panels to absorb energy in the form of
cosmic and solar radiation to charge batteries,
and use that to power electrokinetic thrusters?
That would reduce the weight as a lot less rocket
fuel would be needed...

And we could surely build an electromagnetic railgun
on the moon to launch craft with?
Surely we do not necessarily have to launch every
bit of thrust in the form of a huge fuel tank before
we can consider shooting off to Mars?
Only getting back would require either fuel brought along,
or another railgun on the Mars end...
But it seems to me that would at least save half the fuel...

The biggest problem is probably how to break when you
get there, which might be solvable (thinking of using slingshot
effect and cutting of magnetic field lines there to both produce
decelleration and provide power for the batteries once again),
and the "chunky salsa" effect of high speed accelleration in the railgun.
;)

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2008, 03:25:32 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

I just can't believe no one has mentioned the SEG here.  When a Searle disk is spun at a low speed it generates electricity.  When you spin it at higher speeds it becomes a anti-gravitational device.  If we build a high performance SEG we could generate an anti-gravitational field around a significant ship.  The SEG also is generating electricity when it is running in antigrav mode so you could use the electrical power to charge some Bifield Brown Nacelles to provide the thrust via high voltage elastic cohesion with the air, like a lifter.  John Searle may be one of the few true geniuses left in the world.

Now lets get more sophisticated.  Lets take a look at alien technology.  They use an inertia canceling devices that creates an independent gravity system for the ship.  This includes navigational gravity and shipboard gravity.  The system is two large counter rotating disks which have a large amount of weight around the periphery of the disks.  The two disks are in close proximity on the same axis and spun at a great velocity.  This is like a double gyroscope with each wheel spinning in the opposite direction.  An electromechanical control system allows the spacial proximity between the two disks to be altered by the pilot of the ship.  By mechanically altering the symmetry between the two disks the "down" side of the gravitational field is changed, and the ship "falls" toward the "down" side.  Keep in mind that the "down" side can be in any direction of the X, Y, and Z axises.  This enables the ship to "fall" up.  Within the ship the gravitational forces are rectified to maintain an environment that is free of the tremendous gravitational forces used to navigate.

I have investigated this concept to the limits of earthbound knowledge.  There are far more sophisticated systems I am sure.  I have read about ships that can traverse the planes of existence.  A ship that normally exists on the etheric plane, and can come into the physical plane at will.  Theoretically there are ships that travel at the speed of intangible light, which moves far more rapidly (maybe a thousand times) than visible light.  Then there is the teleportation phenomena.  Supposedly the whole human DNA includes the code for powers that we only dream of.  Unfortunately, our DNA is damaged and we cannot access our "higher" powers until we have evolved to a point where we can repair our own DNA.  These powers include telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, egoic knowledge, and freedom from death.  When man masters DNA we will be able to teleport ourselves to another planet at will, no ship required.  Of course we will probably come up with a Stargate before then.

So the next time you see an alien who had to make a pit stop on our puny, little, backward planet to take a wizz, go jump in his ship and take off with it.  Then come over to my place, and we will reverse engineer the technology.  I am sure that will only take a couple of hours, then we can return the ship to the alien, and he can get on his way.  Hopefully he won't raygun us, and we will have the secrets of interstellar travel.  Then we will build a cool antigravity ship and go cruising the galaxy for space chix...

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2008, 03:09:25 PM »
Right.

Well, unconventional huge gyroscope setups are nice ideas but will need
large amounts of energy and you need to bring that somehow...
The only versions I know of that have been tested used earth-based
launch platform where an earth-based motor spun it to a high enough
speed, then it could lift off and fly and as the rotation slowed down it
would come down again. But it took a huge lot of power and it needed
the launch pad to fly...
The Searl disc is interesting but as far as I know nobody has been able
to replicate it on anything but a smaller scale, and even then it did not fly.

There are several interesting technologies that normal humans have
invented that are usefull for propulsion, we really don't need aliens for that. ;)
Of course standard electrokinetics and electrogravity (Biefeld Brown effect etc)
come to mind, as well as the Jeff Cook coil...

The main problem of manned spaceflight at very high speeds is, in my opinion,
a twofold one: On the one side we will need quite a lot of energy to accellerate
and decellerate the craft, which leads to its own problems of either using internal
propulsion and needs a fuel tank or fuel collection, or external propultion (launch
system) that also still needs fuel, and that needs to be on both ends of the trajectory
in order to get both there and back. On the other side we need to keep the people
inside the craft in one piece during accellerations that would normally reduce a
person to ketchup.
So, what we need seems to be a significant decrease of inertia of the craft and
its occupants, so that it does not take as much energy to achieve accelleration,
and the people inside don't experience the high accellerations.

The TR31-B "flying triangle" comes to mind, it was claimed (by people who
came forward in the disclosure project I believe but am not certain) that
contained a large circular mercury plasma accellerator, the effect of which was
that everything inside that circle decreased in effective inertia quite a lot,
and this lowered the effective weight of the craft so much that it could
easily lift iself and its crew, mercury ring, fuel tanks, machinery, everything,
with just three relatively small jet engines and could achieve phenomenal speeds.
The Belgian airforce chased one of those for a while back in the '80s, and
have the radar footage to show it. Thousands of citizens witnessed the
triangle being chased by 2 F16 jets and simply shoot off to the horizon
as if the F16 were standing still. :)

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 05:28:31 PM »
Now lets get more sophisticated.  Lets take a look at alien technology.  They use an inertia canceling devices that creates an independent gravity system for the ship.  This includes navigational gravity and shipboard gravity.  The system is two large counter rotating disks which have a large amount of weight around the periphery of the disks.  The two disks are in close proximity on the same axis and spun at a great velocity.  This is like a double gyroscope with each wheel spinning in the opposite direction.  An electromechanical control system allows the spacial proximity between the two disks to be altered by the pilot of the ship.  By mechanically altering the symmetry between the two disks the "down" side of the gravitational field is changed, and the ship "falls" toward the "down" side.  Keep in mind that the "down" side can be in any direction of the X, Y, and Z axises.  This enables the ship to "fall" up.  Within the ship the gravitational forces are rectified to maintain an environment that is free of the tremendous gravitational forces used to navigate.

No, that's not true.  Everybody knows that the Zorkons use interdimensional travel.  Inertia canceling/artificial gravity is so obsolete now.

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 06:44:49 PM »
Well, unconventional huge gyroscope setups are nice ideas but will need
large amounts of energy and you need to bring that somehow...
The only versions I know of that have been tested used earth-based
launch platform where an earth-based motor spun it to a high enough
speed, then it could lift off and fly and as the rotation slowed down it
would come down again. But it took a huge lot of power and it needed
the launch pad to fly...

This sounds interesting. Do you have any links?

The Searl disc is interesting but as far as I know nobody has been able
to replicate it on anything but a smaller scale, and even then it did not fly.

It was replicated back in 2000 by Roshin and Godin.
 http://ether.sciences.free.fr/acrobatfiles/Searl-Roshin-Godin.pdf
The first few paragraphs don't work for me (probably in a language that
I don't have fonts for) but the rest is okay.

While we're at it, there's also David Hamel's device consisting of metal
cones and magnets. There have been claims of replication but no proof
given.

And then there's Podkletnov's gravity shielding, rotating superconductor.
Hmmm... the list goes on.
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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 08:50:19 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

That TR3-B is using the mercury inside tubes that spin the mass of the mercury around the periphery of the ship.  There are two circular tubes, donuts, that pump the mercury in opposite directions.  This is their inertia canceling device which works in the exact same way as the two oppositely spinning flywheels.  The mercury inertia canceling device doesn't have the axle and spokes to hold the wheels to the ship.  So, as a result, there is more space inside the ship that has a mercury drive, than the ship that has the mechanical drive.  Both these systems accomplish the same thing, canceling inertia.

In ancient India, or the Raman Empire, their Vimianas used the mercury inertia canceling device.  So we are basically trying to replicate something that existed 20,000 years ago, of which all written knowledge has been lost.  The only way we will get any information about the Vimiana is to read the Akashic Record.  So is anyone out there astral clairvoyant?  We could really use someone like that right now...

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 11:35:20 PM »
Lakhovsky coils may offend some people but they are in the literature as being effective and no matter where we go in the universe it pays to be able to live off the land.So I am serious about looking at these coils as a power source.A constant 1-g acceleration space drive would get us to most places .Cosmic rays are said to be everywhere in space.Never mind the low power of these coils,their power would last forever(or at least as long as the universe does).Triffid

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2008, 03:26:52 PM »
This sounds interesting. Do you have any links?
Not off the top of my head, but I'll look them up for you.
If I recall correctly, it was patented as an "entertainment machine" for fear of suppression
if patent application was done under "gyroscopic flying saucer".
I'll search for some solid info over the weekend. :)

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It was replicated back in 2000 by Roshin and Godin.
 http://ether.sciences.free.fr/acrobatfiles/Searl-Roshin-Godin.pdf
The first few paragraphs don't work for me (probably in a language that
I don't have fonts for) but the rest is okay.
Hmm well yes, there are one or two claims of the basic Searl disc setup
having been replicated in models, but I was actually talking full scale
large Searl disc vehicle that can carry at least one person. The claims
of it self-powering are also vague, some claim it did and does, some claim it
can but doesn't always, and some claim it never did...

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While we're at it, there's also David Hamel's device consisting of metal
cones and magnets. There have been claims of replication but no proof
given.
Hehe I happen to have been involved in that, on the fringes of
the Hamel group, but still I got quite some good info from those guys. :)
Some claim they actually got a couple of the Hamel devices to self-run,
but as far as I know nobody has managed to get one to shoot off into
the sky besides old man Hamel himself. ;)

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And then there's Podkletnov's gravity shielding, rotating superconductor.
Hmmm... the list goes on.
:) Yes, and the Jeff Cook coil, etc. ;)
But still interesting eh? :)

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2008, 04:32:39 PM »
At the very least we could use chemical rockets to orbit,then use solar power to heat up gases and or liquids.I have heard of one company working with rockets that run on steam.Triffid

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2008, 08:25:05 PM »
Howdy Stefan,

The answer to your propulsion problem is Vril Levitators.  Developed in Germany.  Look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUjNNS8hU8&mode=related&search=

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2008, 08:51:21 PM »
Stefan, I am sorry if I am in the wrong thread, I am not sure where to put this.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71329

OK, what could be the exciting news besides water there. Bacteria, maybe?

Assuming they find bacteria on Mars (and it's not just from us smelling our own armpits because of transfer from all the probes sent there) how would that influence human habitation?

Would exploring Mars mean that humans could only make a one way trip? Think about it. Would we want to risk transferring alien bacteria back to earth? So would that mean humans that go there would have to go with the mindset that they cannot go back to good old earth. Just like explorers of old that left everything for a new life in a new country (United States for example) with no intention of returning.

Could we be sure our decontamination procedures would fully destroy any alien bacteria if an astronaut wanted to return?

This is interesting and very important to consider. Thoughts anyone?
« Last Edit: August 04, 2008, 09:37:28 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2008, 09:36:52 PM »
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71329
OK, what could be the exciting news besides water there. Bacteria, maybe?
Assuming they find bacteria on Mars (and it's not just from us smelling our own armpits because of transfer from all the probes sent there) how would that influence human habitation?
Would exploring Mars mean that humans could only make a one way trip? Think about it. Would we want to risk transferring alien bacteria back to earth? So would that mean humans that go there would have to go with the mindset that they cannot go back to good old earth. Just like explorers of old that left everything for a new life in a new country (United States for example) with no intention of returning.
Could we be sure our decontamination procedures would fully destroy any alien bacteria if an astronaut wanted to return?
This is interesting and very important to consider. Thoughts anyone?

There are quite a few different types of anti-bacterial methods that could be used, but all depend on a lot of investigation into the bacteria (if they exist).

UV irradiation is one, but depending on the atmosphere shielding of Mars, a bacteria could have a pretty good dose of natural resistance to that.

Then there's steam autoclaving, but that assumes that (and the above) persons are wearing suits.

If what we're told is true in regards to Mars atmosphere, it would take significant conditioning (natural or medical) to be able to breath the atmosphere without at least aid of some type and to withstand atmospheric temperatures as they do not reside in usual norm.

That points to suits. ;)
Sort of like the necessity of your hazmat suit in the iconage. ;D

We have many different protocols and procedures already devised for hazardous chemical, biological, and pressure differential (deep sea exploring) so I don't see why they can't be adapted to space exploration.

A "way station" for decontamination could be set up on the moon (since we're assuming we can travel to Mars, moon travel should be relatively inconsequential) for observation and quarantine should it prove necessary.

I think there will be quite a bit of suit exploration before non-suit traveling on Mars can be contemplated and so it should be fairly easy (assuming again that "waste" water and air can be recycled since that would be necessary for any worthwhile exploration of Mars) to set up a few positive pressure biospheres to introduce the bacteria and observe the interaction with earth flora/fauna without jeopardizing the earth.

Hopefully............................. ;)

We'll never know until we get there.

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« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2008, 10:20:17 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Found this on the Velvet Rope Forums...

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/aldebaran-mystery.html

The Aldebaran Mystery: The Nazi/ET UFO Connection

Dr. Hermann Oberth who pioneered rocket design for the German Reich during World War II and later advanced rocket technology for the American manned space launches, cryptically stated: "We cannot take the credit for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone; we have been helped."

When asked by whom, he replied: "The people of other worlds."

Oberth's fellow associate space pioneer, who also served the Third Reich, Wernher Von Braun, echoed similar knowledge of the extra-terrestrial reality when he stated in 1959, "We find ourselves faced by powers which are far stronger than hitherto assumed, and whose base is at present unknown to us. More I cannot say at present. We are now engaged in entering into closer contact with those powers, and within six or nine months time it may be possible to speak with more precision on the matter. "

[From "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good, William Morrow and Company, Inc. 1988.]

Just who were "the people of other worlds" that Dr. Oberth spoke of so blithely?

And were both of these esteemed German scientists making oblique reference to one of UFOlogy's most pervasive and tantalizing 'myths'- the alleged link between the Third Reich of pre-World War II Germany and? EXTRATERRESTRIALS?

Following military defeat of the First World War, certain occult secret societies emerged in Germany intent upon discovering clues to the existence of ancient lost civilizations that once flourished on this planet; civilizations that reportedly possessed remarkable, almost magical technologies that allowed them mastery of the seas and the skies and even inter-stellar space travel.

Inspiration to rediscover such technologies were to be found in a novel published in 1871 by Rosicrucian author Edward Bulwer-Lytton, entitled, "THE COMING RACE".

Lytton tells the tale of an intrepid explorer who discovers an advanced race of humans living within a vast subterranean world who call themselves "Vril-ya". These beings had formerly been surface dwellers until a global catastrophe not unlike the Old Testament flood, forced them to take refuge deep in the Earth.

The survival of this marvelous society was facilitated by their application of a force they referred to as "Vril". As Bulwer-Lytton wrote in "the Coming Race":

"?An explanation of which I understood very little, for there is no word in any language I know which is an exact synonym for 'vril.' I should call it electricity, except that it comprehends in its manifold branches other forces of nature, to which in our scientific nomenclature, differing names are assigned, such as magnetism, galvanism, etc. These people consider that in 'vril' they have arrived at the unity in natural energetic agencies, which has been conjectured by many philosophers above ground?"

It was supposed by some that Lytton's book was not altogether a work of fiction, and in fact, he was privy to secrets that lost Lemurian and Atlantean artifacts still existed in clandestine caches hidden in the Gobi Desert and Tibet. And during the lull between the First and Second World War, rediscovering these forgotten technologies became the primary focus of two secret German societies, both the 'Thule' and the 'Vril'. Mastery of an occult force such as 'Vril' would not only assure German technical dominance-it would ultimately liberate Germany from any crippling co-dependence upon the international petroleum cartels dominated by Germany's conquerors-the United States and Britain.

Initiates of both the Thule and Vril societies were determined to develop an 'alternative science' and 'alternative technologies' based on principles possessed by the great 'lost' civilization of Atlantis; a "spiritual "dynamo-technology" superior to the mechanistic notions of modern science". Thus to rediscover this source of universal free energy and make it readily available as a benefit to the modern world became their goal.

Thule member, Dr. W. O. Schumann of the Technical University in Munich, declared "In everything we recognize two principles that determine the events; light and darkness, good and evil, creation and destruction-as in electricity we know plus and minus. It is always; either-or?

Everything destructive is of Satanic origin, everything creative is divine? Every technology based on explosion or combustion has thus to be called Satanic. The coming new age will be an age of new, positive, divine technology?"

Hence, the goal to harness 'Vril', Prana, the fundamental, limitless, cosmic life-force energy-a power source that would function harmoniously with our natural world-became an integral focus of these German secret societies.

The medium Maria Orsic was leader of the 'Vrilerinnen', the beautiful young ladies of the Vril Gesellschaft. Characteristically they all wore their hair in long horsetails, contrary to the popular short bobbed fashion of their day, claiming their long hair acted as cosmic antennas that helped facilitate their contact with extraterrestrials beings from beyond.

According to the legend of the German Vril society, a fateful meeting was held in 1919 at an old hunting lodge near Berchtesgaden, where Maria Orsic presented to a small group assembled from the Thule, Vril and Black Sun Societies, telepathic messages she claimed to have received from an extraterrestrial civilization existing in the distant Aldebaran solar system, sixty-eight light years away, in the Constellation of Taurus. One set of Maria's channeled transmissions was found to be in a secret German Templar script unknown to her.

second series of transmissions appeared to be written in an ancient eastern language, which Babylonian scholars associated with the Thule group, recognized as ancient Sumerian. Maria Orsic along with Sigrun, another of the Vril Society's female mediums, began the task of translating these transmissions and discovered they contained instructions for building a circular flight machine.

However, it should be important to consider the possible motivation behind the Aldebaran civilization's offer to assist the Vril Group and Germany. Researcher Wendelle Stevens tells us that, rather than a militant gesture of aid to aggressive Nazis, the Aldebarans perceived an economic disparity in Earth cultures that fueled perpetual wars and conflict. To alleviate this disparity the Aldebarans reasoned that by offering 'free-energy' technologies, used to create affordable mass transportation devices, a new innovative generation of industries, promoting prosperity and greater peaceful interaction between nations might result; thus diminishing violent wars.

Clearly such a plan resonated with members of both the Thule and Vril Societies and their dream for a New World based on 'alternative science'.

Upon studying these otherworldly, esoteric designs, Dr. W. O. Schumman and his associates from the University of Munich realized the channeling actually contained viable physics, and over the ensuing years construction was initiated to make this flying machine a reality. By 1922 development of a working prototype was underway.

Meanwhile, Germany saw the inception of the National Socialist Party and Adolph Hitler's rise to power, fueled in part by the utopian visions of a new world order inspired by the Thule and Vril Societies. By 1934, the first manned test flight of the RFZ-1 took place. However, the results were less than auspicious. Flown by intrepid World War I ace, Lothar Waiz, the craft wobbled to altitude of 60 meters and upon landing, the pilot, managed to escape from the craft just in time before it spun out of control, ripping to pieces like a drunken top.

Before the end of that year a much-improved version, the five meter RFZ-2, was test flown successfully and eventually flying disc development was taken over by Division SS E-IV of the Nazi military. The fundamental physics were as simple as a child's spinning gyroscope-circular discs spun in counter-rotation create an anti-gravity effect; an effect as timeless as that described by the Old Testament prophet Ezekiel and his 'fiery chariot'-"a wheel within a wheel. " Had he been witness to a flying machine from Aldebaran?

Contrary to his professed aim to create a world of cosmic harmony, Hitler sent his Panzer tanks and infantry into Poland in 1939, thus precipitating the altogether destructive Second World War. And despite the fact that he also outlawed all secret societies in Germany, the Thule and Vril Gesellschafts maintained their autonomy, and development of Vril levitating saucer craft continued, despite funding competition from conventional Luftwaffe war-production imperatives.

Aero-Technical Unit V-7 designed a number of hybrid saucers that combined both exotic anti-gravity and conventional turbojet propulsion systems, creating vertical lift craft that were essentially precursors to modern helicopters.



However, the distinctly separate SS E-IV Unit, bore the sole responsibility of developing Hitler's dream of free-energy propulsion. By 1941, the successful Vril-2 levitation craft was employed for transatlantic reconnaissance flights. The RFZ-2 craft employed the "Schumman-Levitator" drive for vertical lift and when activated, the craft displayed effects commonly described in many UFO accounts; blurring of visible contours, and luminous ionization colors relative to the craft's engine acceleration; varying from orange to green, blue to white. As well, the craft made radical 90 degree turns characteristic of UFO flight.

Tragically, the Reich diverted the peaceful intent of the Aldebarans's levitation technology. Following the success of the RFZ-2, a single pilot combat model was designed. The advanced Vril-1 Fighter was capable of 12000 km/h with full speed right angle turns with no adverse G-effects on the pilot. Since the craft flew in a self-contained envelope of its own gravitational field, the pilot experienced no sense of motion or inertia.

Subsequent levitation-craft advances between 1941 and 1944 spawned the "Haunebu" series, the 'heavy hitters' of Reich's saucer fleet. Development of powerful tachyon magneto-gravitic drives-"Thule-Tachyonators" (speculated to be large spheres of vertically rotating mercury)-allowed design of 75 foot diameter armored saucer ships equipped with armaments such as Panzer-tank cannon turrets mounted to the underside. Other craft were equipped with klystron laser cannons.

By Christmas of 1943, medium Maria Orsic of the Vril Gesellschaft, claimed that subsequent transmissions from Aldebaran revealed there were two
habitable planets orbiting that star and that the ancient Mesopotamian civilization of Sumeria was linked to earlier colonies of Aldebaran explorers. The seers discovered that the Aldebaran written language was identical to that of the Sumerians and was phonetically similar to that of spoken German.

It was also revealed that a 'dimension channel' or 'worm-hole' existed connecting our two solar systems. Thus in January of 1944, possibly aware that Germany's war efforts were faltering, Hitler and Himmler authorized an audacious plan to send a Vril-7 saucer ship into the dimensional channel, perhaps to secure assistance from the Aldebaran civilization. The venture resulted in near disaster, the Vril-7 returned with its hull reportedly aged as if it had been flying for a hundred years and its surface damaged in several places.

Meanwhile, the Allies sampled an unpleasant taste of the deadly weapons potential of German saucers. In 1944, a massive bombing raid was launched against the critical ball-bearing plant at Schweinfurt. Within a matter of hours a squadron of ten to fifteen Nazi discs managed to shoot down as many as one hundred and fifty British and American bombers-one quarter of the entire bomber contingent. Still, facing overwhelming odds, the crumbling Reich lacked sufficient saucer squadrons to turn the tide.
With the military fate of the Reich in doubt, an ambitious, energetic General rose within the SS inner circle elite to a level of power that rivaled perhaps that of even the Fuhrer himself. Hans Kammler, a prot?g?' of Heinrich Himmler, had earned a reputation with his skills for rapid development and implementation of underground manufacturing facilities, and vast mobilization of slave labor consignments from concentration camps.

By 1945 Kammler had secured control over all top secret SS projects that were missile or 'aircraft' related. Certainly, Vril projects would have been one of his foremost priorities.

Cunning and shrewd, Kammler easily bore the qualifications to mastermind construction of 'special projects' facilities at the South Pole. And as of April 17, 1945, Kammler disappeared from Germany, presumably escaping capture aboard a lumbering, six-engine Junkers 390 cargo plane bound for an unknown destination.

Neither was military assistance forthcoming from Aldebaran, but perhaps safe haven was offered instead, as a massive 250-foot diameter Haunebu III dreadnaught armed with four, triple-gun, heavy caliber naval turrets and capable of space flight was allegedly completed by April of 1945.

With the specter Russian, British and American armies all relentlessly advancing on the German heartland, supplies, scientists, and saucer components were being steadily evacuated from Europe by U-boats to secret enclaves in Germany's Antarctic colony-Neuschwabenland.

Just one month prior to the Haunebu III's completion a cryptic message was sent by Maria Orsic to all members of the Vril Society, simply stating:

"None are staying here."



The psychic medium Maria was never heard from again, perhaps having escaped -like Kammler- to South America, the Antarctic, or possibly even? Aldebaran!

The question remains, was she Kammler's collaborator or captive?

By inevitably seizing the rocket facilities and personnel at Peenemunde, the advancing Allied Army leadership was only too well aware of how dangerously advanced German technology had become. Despite the Third Reich's unconditional surrender in 1945, a potential Nazi threat still haunted Allied intelligence.

Had the German High Command sacrificed its European operation to buy time for installation of a 'fall-back' position in the Antarctic, capable of launching future retaliations from its South Polar redoubt? Post-script to this legend is the account of "Operation High-Jump".

In January of 1947, an American military task force, "Operation High-Jump," complete with thirteen ships including, an aircraft carrier, seaplanes, helicopters and 4000 combat troops was dispatched to the Antarctic under the command of Admiral Richard E. Byrd for the stated purpose of 'mapping' the coastline. This task force was provisioned for an eight-month polar stay, but after eight weeks and an undisclosed loss of planes and personnel, Byrd withdrew his forces.


Rumor was Byrd encountered overwhelming hostile action, he described as, "fighters that are able to fly from one pole to another with incredible speed. " He also intimated that he had in fact engaged a German contingent being assisted as well by an 'advanced civilization' with formidable technologies? Whatever occurred with Byrd's expedition at the South Pole remains shrouded in mystery since all reports, including Byrd's personal log entries, remain classified.

Also, it should be noted that Operation High-Jump was originally organized by Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal. But later, in 1949, then Secretary of Defense Forrestal was sequestered and sent to convalesce for a nervous breakdown at Bethesda Naval Hospital.

However, after allegedly ranting to hospital staff about the Antarctic, UFOs and an underground Nazi city, Forrestal was denied all visitors and shortly thereafter, died in a fall from his hospital room window. His death was labeled a 'suicide'.

But again, considering the question posed at the outset of this essay, could the 'advanced civilization' suggested by Byrd be the same extraterrestrials alluded to by both Von Braun and Oberth? Could these "people of other worlds" be Germany's mysterious allies from Aldebaran?

Such is the legend of 'Vril' and the Third Reich's levitating disc projects. Of course, had all discussion of 'flying saucers' ended in 1945 it would be perfectly simple to dismiss the whole myth as preposterous nonsense. However, as we well know, persistent reports of UFOs and circular flying craft have remained a ubiquitous enigma worldwide for all the decades since World War II. And as long as this mystery goes unanswered the riddle of Nazi saucers will remain an urgent paradox that spins a kaleidoscope of demanding questions.

Viewed from the aspect of classical physics, the whole myth is easily dismissed as fanciful rubbish; the fairy tale notions of occult channeling with space brothers from Aldebaran, and Nazis armed with flying saucers and ray-guns sounds like the most outrageous science fiction!

However, this same legend reconsidered from the radically altered view of Quantum physics takes on dramatic plausibility!

Was the Vril Society simply making practical application of the 'Unified Field"?

Is Vril or "the unity in natural energetic agencies" that Edward Bulwer-Lytton described, far from pulp fiction, but a remarkably accurate description of Zero-Point Energy that pervades the entire universe?

Did ancient lost civilizations of Earth share understanding with extraterrestrial civilizations among the stars that the universe is in fact a single consciousness and simultaneously an ocean of limitless energy? Could it be that a handful of daring German visionaries discovered secrets of harnessing this energy?

And ultimately, who were the REAL victors in World War II?

Did a contingent of German physicists and engineers and military personnel successfully drop off the grid in 1945 and establish a new colony, totally self-sufficient and independent of the global petroleum cartels? And are the fundamentals of free-energy production fully known and deliberately withheld, at the cost of destroying our environment, merely to serve the greed of multi-national corporate and banking interests to this day? And is this 'free-energy' propulsion the ultimate secret behind the UFO cover-up?

Of course, in the years immediately following World War II, the German saucer mystery compounded even more. In June of 1947 a private pilot named Kenneth Arnold reported a formation of nine shiny objects speeding along at an unprecedented speed of 1600 mph in the vicinity of Mt. Rainier, Washington. In Arnold's words, the craft flew "like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water."

Hence the press seized upon his words and launched the public fascination with "Flying Saucers". However, Arnold actually described the craft as more crescent shaped, like 'flying wings'-which coincidentally was another air form perfected by the German Horton Brothers, during the war. It was suspected that captured German aircraft were being studied in a joint U. S. /British facility in western Canada close to Washington state.

Four months later, in September of 1947, just eight months after Admiral Byrd's aborted mission to the Antarctic, the Strategic Air Command undertook a detailed mapping and reconnaissance mission of the North Pole. An extensive B-29 support base was established at Ft. Richardson, Alaska.

But aside from cameras, these bombers were crammed with state-of-the-art, electro-magnetic scanners, sensors and magnetic emissions detectors. And, just as Byrd described, 'high-speed craft capable of flying from pole to pole', were again encountered at the Arctic as well. Debriefed flight crews reported seeing metallic vertical lift saucers parked on the ice packs, flying in and out of the water as well as dogging the B-29s.

All evidence, tapes, film canisters and documentation were immediately classified and rushed back to Washington D. C.

According to the captured records, the Germans also had plans to build a 'Zeppelin'-sized levitating cylinder ship called the "Andromeda" machine. This 330-foot behemoth was capable of carrying as many as three of the smaller Vril and Haunebu scout ships. In the early 1950's a California man named George Adamski photographed a UFO remarkably similar to this design.

Later, Adamski claimed to have contact with a 'Nordic' looking extraterrestrial near Desert Center, California, who claimed to be from the planet Venus.

However, it should be noted that photographs of the little scout craft this alien flew show a design virtually identical to the German Haunebu II. Though Adamski was later debunked as a fraud, reports of UFOs identical to the 'Venusian scout ship' continued to surface worldwide.

n 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower was allegedly secreted away to a meeting with Extraterrestrials at MUROC airfield near Palm Springs, California. One particular group was reported to be 'Nordic' looking and they offered Eisenhower Free-Energy technology in exchange for nuclear disarmament-Ike declined! And as the story goes, these 'Nordic' ETs subsequently met with Pope Pius XII at the Vatican as well.

And of course it remains common knowledge that during the war Germany had cordial relations with Argentina and other Latin American countries, and by a curious coincidence even today UFOs are commonly reported the full length an breadth of South America, along with tales of hidden German bases in the ice peaks of Peru and the vast jungles of Brazil.

But perhaps the most blatant inference of a German connection with UFOs comes from the famed Billy Meier case in Switzerland.

In 1975, thirty years after the disappearance of the Vril Society leaders, a Swiss farmer claimed to have contact with a girl from the 'Pleiades', who bore the pseudonym, "Semjase" and a striking resemblance to the 'Vrilerinnen' from 1919.

This space girl also wore long blonde hair, spoke in fluent Austrian-German and candidly shared comprehensive knowledge about the German saucer projects of World War II.

Were Semjase's 'beamships' actually contemporary versions of the old Haunebus?

And yet, the riddle remains that, were the surviving modern remnants of the Third Reich to actually possess such vastly superior technology, why then would they not simply flex their muscle and conquer the world in one final swift stroke?


Or did they realize such a victory might ultimately be a futile gesture?

Suppose the Reich survivors learned from their Aldebaran mentors the secret the ancient Sumerians possessed-that, in a regular 3600 year cycle, the surface of planet Earth is devastated by the passing of a dwarf-star which is companion to our solar system. And that this Dark Star was calculated once again to swing through the inner planets during the early years of the 21st Century. Such a monumental event would grant the "Thousand Year Reich" a meager seventy years or so life span. Thus might the Reich survivors not wisely choose to disappear from the surface world and develop hardened underground 'shelters' in the remote wastes of Antarctica, patiently preparing to safely ride out the Dark Star's passing?

Do we dare suppose that a contemporary generation of subterranean Reichskinder secretly continue to advance their limitless scientific wonders, content to allow the ignorant, expendable 'surface dwellers' to choke in the poisoned atmosphere of their internal-combustion, junk-technology, automobiles, airplanes and industries?

Could it be that all the incredible levitating machines and free-energy technologies envisioned by the Thule and Vril Societies are being carefully held in reserve for the promised 'New Age'; a future time when Earth has recovered from the agonies of its Dark Star's encounter?

We may discover the answers to these questions sooner than we realize!

Meanwhile, the quest to solve the mysteries of Nazi saucers and the secrets from Aldebaran, certainly has gained more relevance to our present world here in the first decade of the 21st Century. It seems an irony that, much like pre-World War II Germany, we find Western Civilization dangerously dependent upon foreign petroleum sources dominated by hostile Muslim nations. Is there a free-energy/anti-gravity answer to this dilemma?

[Author's Disclaimer: The preceding text is virtually all 'legend'.

There is little or no hard evidence to fully verify the authenticity of such a tale. I've cobbled this together from the writings of Jan Van Helsing, Vladimir Terziski, Nick Cook, Wendelle Stevens and a website called 'Grey Falcon', as well as the video, "UFO Secrets of the Third Reich."

The bottom line has two options; either the whole story is pure fantasy, or Nazi secrets of anti-gravity were gobbled up at the end of the war by Allied Intelligence and given a security classification "Above-Top-Secret" with all evidence meticulously hidden or destroyed. However, it should be noted that anti-gravity propulsion systems, such as the Vril legend suggest, would make all aerospace and avionic technologies obsolete overnight-and these are huge multi-billion dollar industries directly tied to the international petroleum cartels. Surely these combined military/industrial interests would possess the means and the motive to obliterate any conclusive history of German anti-gravity research.

For a comprehensive 'one-stop-shop' overview of the entire Nazi UFO mystery I recommend a visit to: Disc Aircraft

http://www.discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/index.html

Blessed Be Brothers...
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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2008, 08:17:44 PM »
Hey z.monkey

As much as I appreciate the historical lesson on the third reich and saucers, I was wondering if you had any insight into how the saucers work as that would be of penultimate importance to this topic (in fact, if continually spinning "supports" for a beanstalk could be used, we could have such a structure within a few years instead of 50 years. Or even negate their necessity)?

As much as we need new methods of energy production, we also need to start looking beyond this rock for living space as if we keep multiplying like rabbits within this small space of the earth, it will end up the same way that allowing rats to breed uncontrolled within a finite space turns them into cannibalistic, waring factions that are doomed to live amongst the carnage and filth they generate until the "living space" is degraded to the point it will not sustain life (as we know it).

Got any good reading as to how to replicate this saucer effect?

Just curious bud....... ;)

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2008, 09:16:08 PM »
Howdy exxcomm0n,

I believe I have sighted several examples.  I'll reiterate.

Antigrav Technologies:

1.  Mechanical configuration like the early Vril, two counter rotating flywheels spinning in opposite directions generate an independent gravity field.  This is a Vril Levitator.

2.  Advanced mechanical configuration incorporated more gyroscopes for additional control.  This is the Schumann Levitator.

3.  Circulating mercury configuration eliminated many mechanical components.  It pumps mercury through tubes at a high velocity to achieve the same effect as items 1 and 2.  This is called the Thule Tachyonator.

4. The infamous SEG, Sir John Searle has been preaching this for a long, long time.

Propulsion Technologies:

1.  Still can use rockets, ha ha, effective not practical.  Combined with the Antigrav system even a rocket can make the ship go a lot faster.

2.  Bifield Brown Thrusters, like on the toy lifters.  A serious Biefild Brown Thruster can theoretically propel a ship up to the speed of light.  These are also called Ion "Rockets" by the orthodoxy.

3.  My favorite propulsion technique is to use the Antigrav system as the propulsive force.  This requires a more complex system to have the Levitator act as a propulsion unit also, but I think it is the most elegant solution.

Powering the ship:

1.  The SEG produces an abundance of electrical power.  Good for running the ships systems and propelling the ship with Biefield Brown Thrusters.

2.  I haven't got to play with the German technologies but I suspect they generate a Free Energy Effect just like the SEG.

Once we have these advanced technologies I believe that the world will seem a lot bigger.  We will be able to inhabit places that were not assessable before.  People can commute a lot farther in a Levitator ship, so we won't feel so cramped and overcrowded.  Plus some of us can go live on Venus, Mars, or elsewhere.

Just say NO to cannibalism.

Blessed Be Brothers...

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Re: MARS and back in 2 days...
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