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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405663 times)

gmeast

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2730 on: August 26, 2010, 06:16:06 PM »
Hi,

I, also, am trying to find the video he speaks of.

Hi all,

I viewed this vide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdrjkIZebtM

It shows THE SINGLE huge mistake researchers make.  In concluding, he uses the full rated load of the small ohmic (joule) heater can consume for his SFC estimation.  That would be accurate if the engine was producing/running at 50-60 Hz ... which it clearly is NOT.  One of his other videos showed a lamp being used as a load but it was producing 'dim' light.

Be honest with yourselves when drawing conclusions on this stuff.

Greg
« Last Edit: August 26, 2010, 08:08:03 PM by gmeast »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2731 on: August 27, 2010, 04:55:41 AM »
But the video is only 2:58 long!?

Sorry, this is the video I am referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYjmJYI4aJI&feature=related

Luc

gmeast

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2732 on: August 27, 2010, 11:40:05 PM »
This is pretty amazing! Sharing

...should have been around when the water sparkplug work was going on.

Greg

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2733 on: August 29, 2010, 02:53:57 PM »
Hello, guys,
I am newbee to this forum, although have been watching for a while.
The experiment from gotoluc, which is posted on the first page (power inverter + bridge + 10diodes + ignition coil + switch + sparkplug), I suceeded: I did attach to 220V, took 450v/100uF capacitator, the coil from Accel (high performance racing coil, the 140010, from ebay.com, told to be 50kV). The plasma effect was obvious. Fine :)
Then I look around to put it on some car.
My problem & question: within the ignition system, the distributor is giving pulses within '-' cable and not '+' (so '+' is always on and ground is pulsed). How should I adopt the gotoluc electronics, to apply the circuit to car? Should I use some MOSFET (?which?) to open '+' to diode's imput as soon as ground is on?
I tried to leave a constant '+'(220v) to the diodes and just pulsing (the capacitator + switch) input of ignition coil - all my diodes burned out with the second time of switch on (I observed also a bigger spark than before - could it be key also to even bigger spark?)
I haven't read full text of this forum - if somewhere the answer is already hanging, please give me a link.

another question - has somebody of you, dear guys, managed to make car working with pure water "burning"? Or else, maybe someone know max ratio up to which one should mix gasoline-to-water?
and the last question, has somebody tried using this ignition + HHO+ warm/hot WaterVapor?

hope somebody will help me :)
I am in Germany, Bremen - so if there are some "the guys" around, let me know :)

ramset

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2734 on: August 29, 2010, 03:03:56 PM »
Welcome,
Lots of good guys in your neighborhood
Here

http://www.overunity.de/

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2735 on: August 29, 2010, 08:36:29 PM »
Hello, guys,
I am newbee to this forum, although have been watching for a while.
The experiment from gotoluc, which is posted on the first page (power inverter + bridge + 10diodes + ignition coil + switch + sparkplug), I suceeded: I did attach to 220V, took 450v/100uF capacitator, the coil from Accel (high performance racing coil, the 140010, from ebay.com, told to be 50kV). The plasma effect was obvious. Fine :)
Then I look around to put it on some car.
My problem & question: within the ignition system, the distributor is giving pulses within '-' cable and not '+' (so '+' is always on and ground is pulsed). How should I adopt the gotoluc electronics, to apply the circuit to car? Should I use some MOSFET (?which?) to open '+' to diode's imput as soon as ground is on?............the answer is already hanging, please give me a link.
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and the last question, has somebody tried using this ignition + HHO+ warm/hot WaterVapor?

hope somebody will help me :)
I am in Germany, Bremen - so if there are some "the guys" around, let me know :)

Hi diehostusxana,

I did exactly that until attention shifted to the 'piggyback' form of the circuit.  The Panacea website has everything I did which was a full blown version of the ignition system using two Mosfet Relays.

Here are the ciruits I built and tested plus put into my VW Bug.  I will put more up on it if you like:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/distrib2.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/module.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/2hall.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/compl.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/chargepulse.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/install.jpg
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/plasma/sparkplug/clusters.jpg

When I changed to my Vexus circuit (piggyback version) I tested ratios and steam/mist.  If I can find the video of this running in my VW then I'll update my YouTube channel ... it is gmeast ... it shows my baseline replication too

Greg


OK I found the videos of this installation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwkaQFr_43A

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zhGTTW0q_o
« Last Edit: August 29, 2010, 09:45:36 PM by gmeast »

diehostusxana

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2736 on: August 29, 2010, 11:19:03 PM »
http://www.overunity.de/
Chet

Thanks, Chet,
I red about those two guys and ANTON Cell. Nice :) now doing some brainstroming...

diehostusxana

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2737 on: August 29, 2010, 11:49:10 PM »
I did exactly that until attention shifted to the 'piggyback' form of the circuit.  ...
Here are the ciruits I built and tested plus put into my VW Bug.

thank you gmeast for the nice suggestion :). I took look at the schematics. Seems you have continuous +120V switched to spark plugs throug those NTE517 diodes, right? I see, you have lot of txt in Panacea - I will get through those schematics&photos&videos first and post here, if have further questions.

gmeast

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2738 on: August 30, 2010, 04:38:23 PM »
thank you gmeast for the nice suggestion :). I took look at the schematics. Seems you have continuous +120V switched to spark plugs throug those NTE517 diodes, right? I see, you have lot of txt in Panacea - I will get through those schematics&photos&videos first and post here, if have further questions.

Hi,

Yes (about)145VDC+ (rectified 120 AC) is a potential (stress) on the spark plug 'gap'.  When the discharge mosfet fires the 47uF cap at the coil, a pathway is formed for a large DC current (coming from the 470uF cap at the FWB) to burst forth in the spark plug gap ... creating the ionizing energy needed for the plasma(?) to form.  The HV diodes 'FORCE' the current to stay in the gap (unless you have leaky insulators).  This is required because there are lower potentials everywhere else for this high energy discharge to go ... other than the gap ... hence the HV Diodes.  Since we have a very, very high voltage conduit formed by the coil, the entire package of energy might just follow the rules for high voltage/frequency such as skin effect, etc. and never get to the plug gap ... or it might back up like a sewer (doubt that ... but it will go somewhere).

Good luck,

Greg

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2739 on: August 31, 2010, 12:01:16 AM »
sorry Gerg, I am back with questions ...

When the discharge mosfet fires the 47uF cap at the coil, a pathway is formed for a large DC current (coming from the 470uF cap at the FWB) to burst forth in the spark plug gap

so you have a continuous stress of 145V on spark plags
and when distributor don't fire SPDT, then the 47uF is being charged and when on switch, then the 47uF passes '-' to the coil.
Why do you need the 470uF at all then (to boost power of transforme for the spark moment?)?
Why are you using MOSFETs at all? - don't you get the same when connecting SPDT to the coil? (why you insist on using capacitor discharge?)

hmm, I feel strange, that you are giving continuous 145V to the diodes (I understood from gotoluc that the '+' should be pulsed together with coil). Don't You have current between coil's output (+145V) and coil's +input (+12V)?

sorry for so much questions... but I want to understand the stuff.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2740 on: September 03, 2010, 11:53:10 AM »
Hi everyone,

it has been a while since I have shared new information.

I have been contacted by a YouTube user: theWIKWIPmaker of a new spark plug design that he has invented. He claims this would greatly help at solving the missing puzzle to make an engine work on water.

It looks promising to me :)

Here is his video demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xnX71ydGpU&feature=email

Please share your thoughts and or replication attempts.

Thanks

Luc

why not Water Focus Fusion?

http://www.jp-petit.org/science/Z-machine/FOCUS/principe_fonctionnement_FOCUS.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAzoNcPsQjE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVif4hUAJ8c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byf5_e2W8Hs&NR=1

Warning X-ray emmission!


Hope

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2741 on: October 05, 2010, 06:13:50 AM »
This link make all the other hho topics gain usage.
Safe easy HHO storage.   http://www.examiner.com/breakthrough-energy-in-national/ohmasa-gas-makes-water-as-fuel-more-feasible

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2742 on: October 08, 2010, 07:46:28 PM »
Hello gentlemen, I think this is my first post even though I've seen this website and many threads here for a long time. I just recently registered so that I could finally post info and talk to other members.

I'm very interested in gmeast's exus(v) circuit but although there are posts showing v62 I don't see anything showing that osc circuit, unless I'm blind.

After spending the last week trying to read everything (I think I've forgotten most of it) I think I would rather try the higher voltage route since it seemed people were saying that it has better effects, unless I misread it. But I can't remember where people started to notice bad plug wear.

I had already decided a long time ago when I first stumbled across the Firstorn spark plugs(intentional misspelling) that I wanted to do them, but I didn't want to delve into the bad health associated with that alloy of Cu. I had thought about using Ni, so I was very glad to see that it had already been done. Although I've seen the gap for the Cu one is supposed to be .090, I haven't seen any info on what the gap is supposed to be for the Ni ones since mr east said that the gap was considerably larger. I had thought of SS too, but luc mentioned that it would wear fast so I hadn't thought much of it since I saw that post.

After seeing some Kiker replications and knowing how they made them I'll do a set of those too since I think that will help in the long run.

I have a circuit that a friend and I put together long before seeing this thread so I might post it up, only problem is that I can't remember most of the part numbers. We had found some special diodes for the project we were doing but like I said I can't remember the part numbers. After we made the schematic I made a PCB layout for it so I know what they looked like for the most part though, lol. Another big difference with our setup was the it was not directly coupled with the HV output of the MSD coil I have. I wasn't sure if I applied the LV current through it if it would last longer than I would want it to and other charging reasons, so the trigger was setup through an inductive coil "pickup" trigger that would sense the HV spike and open the gate for the LV current to go through.

I'll post a schematic of it sometime and see what you guys think of it, though it's probably worthless considering east's and luc's.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2743 on: December 11, 2010, 01:06:58 PM »
Hello,
Iam also trying to replicate and i wondering what is the use of the inductor as the plan shows ?Is it necessary ?
Thanks

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2744 on: December 11, 2010, 08:54:26 PM »
That inductor is used to lighten the load on relay, ie, less peak-amp while charging.
The circuit is a 'mechanical-cdi', which requires relay.
Why don't you just use SCR instead?