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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405595 times)


livingwaters08

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #331 on: July 03, 2008, 01:47:02 AM »
@livingwaters08
If the shoe fits wear it. Gee wonder why you are so taken back.

You answered what a 'crapster' post is and my answer to you waste of bandwidth also meets the definition.

Dr. Stiffler,

YOU ARE INCORRIGIBLE, AND VERY INCORRECT!! 
Are you for this water as fuel discovery to be shared by everyone? Just curious.

I was taken aback by your blatant lack of respect for a lot of us here....Clear enough?

Livingwaters08


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #332 on: July 03, 2008, 01:52:24 AM »
Hi All,

Because it seems that people, who may or may not lack experience in electronics, are having trouble building and replicating the exploding water effect in previously described and shown devices, I have designed, built and tested what I believe to be a very simple to build device that most people can construct themselves at home that is powered only by a small square 9V battery that is commonly used in smoke alarms. I believe even kids can make this. Please see my latest video here:

http://www.youtube.com/m1a9r9s9

The purpose of this device is not to be able to power your car on water with it but simply to allow everyone to see for themselves and show others how water can directly explode on demand with little energy input. The device produces the required discharge in the spark plug about every 1 second and uses about 100-150ma from the 9V battery. At this current level the battery won't last too long but it is fine for demonstrations. For longer and continuous runs, just use a small 12V sealed lead acid battery of say 2 A/Hs.

Please see the circuit diagram and some pictures attached below.

All that is required to build this device is the following.

- A 12V, 150ma Security Xenon Strobe Light. Available from electronic and security stores. Color does not matter!

- An old car ignition coil. Available from automobile wreckers.

- A non resistor spark plug. Available from auto shops. Must not have a resistor in it!

- Five 1N5404 diodes or five large rectifying diodes. Part number doesn't really matter. Avaliable from electronic shops.

- A 9 volt battery. The same as used in smoke alarms. Available from anywhere.

- Some hook up wire.

- Basic tools including a soldering iron and some solder.

- Handheld water sprayer filled with water.

That's all folks!!

Please build this and show it to your friends, family, your teachers, professors, work mates anyone and everyone who can't believe that water can explode. Help your kids build this as their school science fair project. Just build it for fun!

On another note, my very good friend Ben has been doing some great research on this process as there is surprisingly quite a bit in the internet about it. He has found some references claiming that the energy released, when the water apparently explodes, is one thousand times the input energy required to cause the explosion. He has found some great info out about what may actually be happening but I will leave it to him to share if he gets time.

Enjoy!

Regards,

Ossie



Wow

I believe this callanan has a very interesting point here ..... we tend to always put more and more = more energy input ... KISS (Keep It Simple Please)


Based on his strobe design I found a strobe light tube (from RedLine co.) that I had bough 2 years ago at wallmart for 40$ CAD.

This strobe tube has 5 strobe lights with are fired at a user frequency (variator included in the unit that can be adjusted for your needs). 

The strobe has also 2 modes , linear sequential firing or randomized. I was wondering to myself that If you put a coil to each strobe and adjust the frequency triggering correctly, this unit might be quite usefull for testing multiple coil setup... you may test up to 5 cylinders on your car (Sorry for V6 cars loll )

I was also thinking that you can buy a Stun Gun, rated at 350,000v would that be a workable design?
They sell them for 20$ on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/350-000-volt-RECHARGEABLE-Stun-Gun-Flashlight-STUNGUNS_W0QQitemZ180259879830QQihZ008QQcategoryZ79850QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #333 on: July 03, 2008, 03:33:04 AM »
@all, I was able to put together an Ossie C replication tonight using a strobe light. I recorded it with my Sony DSC-717. The circuit works great however the video turned out strange in that half or more of the very bright discharges are missing from the video, like they never happened  ???. The audio track is fine. Take a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktbaJpCdNx0

Props to Ossie for a very effective & simple demo circuit. BTW the plug was cool to the touch after all that sparking and noise  :)  Also noted that if the center wire was pulled from the coil an arc will come right out of the center of the coil and discharge to the coil side terminal, that's a lot of energy!

RD

xbox hacker

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #334 on: July 03, 2008, 03:42:06 AM »
KISS (Keep It Simple Please)
That spells "KISP" ...

LOL!!!!  ;D

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #335 on: July 03, 2008, 04:01:57 AM »
@all, I was able to put together an Ossie C replication tonight using a strobe light. I recorded it with my Sony DSC-717. The circuit works great however the video turned out strange in that half or more of the very bright discharges are missing from the video, like they never happened  ???. The audio track is fine. Take a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktbaJpCdNx0

Props to Ossie for a very effective & simple demo circuit. BTW the plug was cool to the touch after all that sparking and noise  :)  Also noted that if the center wire was pulled from the coil an arc will come right out of the center of the coil and discharge to the coil side terminal, that's a lot of energy!

RD

Hi retrod,

Thanks for replicating the circuit and confirming the result. But most of all, thanks for also letting us know how a video does not do justice in conveying just how much of an explosion it is when compared to the dry spark discharge when no water is present. It seems that the explosion is so fast that most digital video cameras do not capture much of it. So I just want people to know that so far, what they see in the videos provided is only a small extent of the real explosiveness that you will see on the bench in front of you, if you build it yourself.

Regards,

Ossie


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #336 on: July 03, 2008, 04:09:30 AM »
Add KOH of NaOH to the water

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #337 on: July 03, 2008, 04:31:59 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #338 on: July 03, 2008, 04:58:54 AM »
Tried steam tonight, it doesn't seem to do as good as just spraying water. I should have tried some electrolyte in it, didn't think about it til just now. Might try that tomorrow. I'll be hooking this up to a small engine over the weekend just to see what happens. I'm with the others on this, I don't see the point in taking this to a private thread.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #339 on: July 03, 2008, 05:03:24 AM »
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« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 05:38:41 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #340 on: July 03, 2008, 05:09:50 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #341 on: July 03, 2008, 05:55:22 AM »
Hi everyone,

first of all I am here and not abandoning this topic at Overunity. Second thing is Stefan has now given me moderator privileges and it will help very much to keep the first page (where the updated schematic will be posted) up to date. I have just spent over 5 hours updating the first page and also gone through all the 1st page post to clean out what is not needed or off topic to help new comers get to the correct information without spending too much time. So after spending all this time and 9 more pages to clean I'm not giving up here.

As for the other site mentioned by user: Haliburton which at first I also was thinking he was Stefan, he contacted me to ask if I would be interested to post my finding on his new site to which I agreed since I want this information to go out to the World asap. So it is nothing more than that for now. Having moderator previlages here is going to help!.... Thanks Stefan.

@Haliburton I think your last post was not the appropriate way to promote your new site, so I have deleted it and also have made some changes in your previous post on a better way to introduce your new site here. We need to all work together or this will fail. I will be in touch with you since I have made some new updates.

At everyone please continue this topic as usual and please have a look at the first page since I have updated my schematic and the text content . My circuit is very efficient now thanks to the diodes that user calanan has recommended. Before with the microwave oven diode much of the high voltage was bleeding through it and that is the reason I needed a 150uf capacitor to make the circuit work. With the new diodes I now use a 2uf capacitor and the circuit works great in fact better. So thanks to calanan for his suggestion to use these diodes in the circuit. With just this change I do believe now that both our circuits are giving the same results. I have also noticed with this change that if the input voltage is around 140 volts or more you don't want to look at the spark without UV protection glasses ;)

Play safe and please do not take it personal if I deleted or change some of the content of your post because it is not a personal thing here is is about helping newcomers getting to the information they need to quickly replicate.

Luc


 
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 07:07:20 AM by gotoluc »

LarryC

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #342 on: July 03, 2008, 06:42:23 AM »
Hi Luc,

Thanks for the additional info, went to the new site and a little confusing!

Anyway, wanted to report on my results using a variac to a FWB thru a lawn tractor spark plug.

I did have a problem with getting the spark plug resistor out of a tractor lawn mower plug, but after more heat and more pressure the spark plug cap did open. The only problem was that the spring and the resistor must have shot out so fast that I didn't find it. Added copper wire to the empty space and got no resistance.

Then ran a spark without water spray, good spark and no problem. Then ran with mister and what a orange firecracker! But it blew my 10 A fuse on the variac. Will use isolation transformer as you posted next time. Only had 4-1N5404 in series, will get more.

Regards, Larry

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #343 on: July 03, 2008, 07:07:58 AM »


http://www.myelectricengine.com/projects/mpdthruster/ignition/ignition.html



I am   having  some problems  understanding   figure 5 in the link above

I think it  would be perfect for a using  DC for the plasma  ......IF it works


As I understand it  .....if  our DC source was a  battery   the   entire   ignition pulse  would   go through   our battery

Even  if the  battery voltage floated on the   HV   ............the  HV would  still  be  affected by the  resistance of the battery

 

gary

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #344 on: July 03, 2008, 07:17:26 AM »
Hi Luc,

Thanks for the additional info, went to the new site and a little confusing!

Anyway, wanted to report on my results using a variac to a FWB thru a lawn tractor spark plug.

I did have a problem with getting the spark plug resistor out of a tractor lawn mower plug, but after more heat and more pressure the spark plug cap did open. The only problem was that the spring and the resistor must have shot out so fast that I didn't find it. Added copper wire to the empty space and got no resistance.

Then ran a spark without water spray, good spark and no problem. Then ran with mister and what a orange firecracker! But it blew my 10 A fuse on the variac. Will use isolation transformer as you posted next time. Only had 4-1N5404 in series, will get more.

Regards, Larry

Hi Larry, great work ;D I'm happy for you to have a quick replication with results. You do need to have a minimum of 10 x 1N5404 diodes. That could of been the reason of a fuse blow on your variac. Also notice that the capacitor is now a 2uf at 150v to 200v.

Give us an update once you get all your diodes. Also, you may have damage to your 4-1N5404 in series you tested it with. So if I were you I would start will all new ones. Unless you have a diode tester or know of a reliable way to test them.

Luc