@all, I found this link to a patent for a "Plasma Arc Ignition System" designed in 1993. It describes the concept of a combined high voltage, high current system. Although this was designed for gasoline there are some parallels to the work being done here. The diagrams even suggest some spark plug designs that may work best with a plasma arc. I wonder if it's inventor ever thought to try the system with water?

Click on 'Documents' to view the 45 page pdf

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=CA1992000510&DISPLAY=DOCS

RD

From the paper from Graneau, he mentions that a fog of water vapor can become explosive, I am thinking that this is the key in combination with the plasma arc. Thus we would need to create a mist of water then hit it with a discharge to really get the full effect. a closed chamber will be required to contain the mist and use an injector or other similar device to spray the water into the combustion chamber wouldn't you think?

The other method that comes to mind is to hit the water two or more times in quick succession, one to create the fog and the other to ignite it.

@gotoluc

You MUST get Moderator authority so you can delete the 'crapsters' else this will just be another multi-page joke that goes no-where.

Yes Dr. Stiffler, you are correct!... I did ask Stefan but he has not done that wet. I also need to make changes to the first page and I cannot do anything here. We may need to move to another site to make this work.

Luc

Hi Luc,
I have moved the thread to a new board and put you as the moderator.

Now you can remove the non-fitting posting, if you want.

Look beneath the thread for the additional options as a moderator.

Regards, Stefan.

starcruiser,

The other method that comes to mind is to hit the water two or more times in quick succession, one to create the fog and the other to ignite it.

 That?s just what Myers had done. His injectors created a fog "energized steam" and then was ignited. This process has to be done instantaneously so that the hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen don?t cool and become one again.

 What is being done now, with the plasma, is just energizing the water and exploding the hydrogen at the same time. When water is energized, the water splits in to hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen, but the hydrogen and nitrogen clings to the oxygen. If they are allowed to cool, they become one again. The plasma can energize more water then the common spark can, the more voltage applied, the more water can be energized and therefore ignited.
 This is why week plasma can not explode very much water. Myers energized the water in the injector before the injector created the plasma spark. I believe he used the HV energizing process as a capacitor to create the plasma spark.

 Using just the plasma to explode water may just work in two stroke motors but I don?t believe it will work in 4 stroke motors. The amount of plasma it would take would blow a whole in the pistons of a 4 stroke motor. I believe this why Myers designed and used the energizing injector/sparkplug.
 I believe that the spark from the distributor cap would fire the injector which would spray energized water into the energizer and then create the spark. This would have to done within milliseconds of each other. Spray, energize, spark.

  Myers has done all the work for us, all we need to do is replicate what he has done and simplify it in a form that anyone can build. We all know that big money would never allow these injectors to be mass produced. Therefore, we must design and build them ourselves.

 

This water arc technology could probably also be good very well
for boat and ship?s propulsion systems.

Have a look at this:

http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/7/29/0355/45526

Regards, Stefan.

@nightlife,

I think you may be correct, and appreciate the logical extension of the concept however I was simply providing the next possible testing idea, to take the enhanced discharge of the spark plug and use a pressurized water source thru a nozzle or injector and create a fine mist to test the ignition out come. I believe one step at a time is required to understand the principle and then further the design to make a usable device.

I have all components available to me and will engage in testing over the next week when I am on vacation, work just does not allow me the time to do these projects any longer it seems.