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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 1405363 times)

Super God

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #105 on: June 29, 2008, 03:32:34 AM »
I think we are very very close to getting to an all water ICE.  An idea I am tossing around right now I got from the waterfuel1978 group, use a transformer to combine signals and boost voltages.  Think about it, this could fit in that little tuna can and work very well!!!  Could it be this easy?  Why hasn't anyone found this out yet besides s1r and us?  Are we on the verge of a truly remarkable technology?  I THINK SO!!

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #106 on: June 29, 2008, 03:36:56 AM »
I think we are very very close to getting to an all water ICE.  An idea I am tossing around right now I got from the waterfuel1978 group, use a transformer to combine signals and boost voltages.  Think about it, this could fit in that little tuna can and work very well!!!  Could it be this easy?  Why hasn't anyone found this out yet besides s1r and us?  Are we on the verge of a truly remarkable technology?  I THINK SO!!
Hi Super God, glad you came by ;D

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #107 on: June 29, 2008, 04:05:11 AM »
Hi,
here are the 2 videos from the Youtube user s1r9a9m9,
who got his motor
already to run on water and this special spark plug system:

http://www.youtube.com/user/s1r9a9m9


The question is,
how much power he needs to run it.
As Ossi can run his system on 12 to around 20 Watts
of electrical input power, I wonder how big the mechanical output power is.

Looks good so far ! ;)

nightlife

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #108 on: June 29, 2008, 04:21:31 AM »
I have been studying s1r's video's which are provided as followed.

 Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb3d_hf7R10

 Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBCl3OdM9Y4

 In the first video it shows his setup to be quite simple. It shows the coil wire going in to the container and then another lead going to the container coming from the inverter. I am assuming the wire coming from the inverter is a positive. There is only one wire coming out and it goes to the spark plug.

 The spark plug is shown having the one wire, coming from the container, attached to the spark plugs positive nipple and it has one wire attached to the negative base of the spark plug that is coming from the other wire of the inverter. I am assuming the wire attached to the spark plugs base is a negative from the inverter.
 
 It does show a third wire and it is coming from the positive nipple of the spark plug but after many replays, I find it to be short with the end bared but not attached to anything.

 After reviewing these videos many times, I believe there is only one component in the container and I believe it is some sort of a capacitor. I am not seeing anyway his setup can energize the water so that leads me to believe he has energized the water first. If you watch the beginning of the 2nd video closely, you will see him acting as if he is opening a "new" bottle of drinking water but if you look closely enough you will see that there is no way that bottle was new. It had been opened before and you can tell by the way he opens it. New bottles have a seal that has to be broke. Then if you notice, he is a little shy about taking the first drink. I believe that is because of the atheric affect that water gives off after being highly charged and it comes in to contact with other charges such as the ones our body's put off as seen in the next video.

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/WFCprojects/Joe%20Cell/Shock%20Group.wmv

 After seeing s1r's videos, there is a more simple way then what has been provided thus far. The component s1r has in the container is the key to being able to simply Luc?s circuitry but even that may not be necessary when using a high voltage coil like most all the new vehicles use.

 Charging water can be done by running a positive and negative lead from a battery into a body of water. I am not sure if that charges water enough but I will experiment with it Monday when I get to the shop.

I maybe wrong but I have yet to come up with a better theory to support what has been discovered.

 All in all, we must figure this out and keep it open source so that all can benefit from it.
 

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #109 on: June 29, 2008, 05:25:22 AM »
According to s1r's comment on the yahoogroup the third wire coming from the top of the spark plug is to kill the engine, shorting out the spark when grounded.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #110 on: June 29, 2008, 05:52:31 AM »
Luc, please don't get upset if we discuss s1r's setup here because I feel it has a lot to do with this topic as well as what can be figured out about his setup can contribute to yours and this topic. The way yours setup is designed, it will take a extra timing sequence to energize the cap and I don?t see s1r?s set up having a second timing setup. This tells me that there must be a easier way and we should all study s1r?s setup to find out what it is.
 If you prefer, we can start a new thread and discuss his setup there. I just feel it would best to discuss them both here so that we can all stay on the same level.
 

carbully,
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According to s1r's comment on the yahoogroup the third wire coming from the spark plug boot is to kill the engine, shorting out the spark.

 Do you have a link to the comment you speak of?  As for a third wire coming from the boot, I have yet to see a "boot" and there are only two wires attached to the nipple of the spark plug. The wire that comes from the nipple that is bared, may just be used to kill the motor. The only three wire configuration seen, are those attached to what ever is in the container.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #111 on: June 29, 2008, 05:57:20 AM »
What's the differance between http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3977.new.html#new , two differant subjects .  ::) ???

Why new subject ?

See This It is same, but more powerful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBkqNc0GrQ
 

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #112 on: June 29, 2008, 06:20:20 AM »
gotoluc,
  Thank You for being so generous in sharing all of the information to make this new source of energy available to everyone.
s1's post on waterfuel1978 recently spoke of 3 coils.  One primary and 2 secondaries.  Let' examine what he said.  Here is the post:


There are three windings on the coil, one main winding, one on each
side with deferent number of windings in each, the two windings on
each side are wound through the main winding , as 1 being a winding
and 2 being a winding and 0 being the main winding, it will look
like this 1-0-1_2-0-2. the windings are not touching each other but
they are wound through the main (0) winding, this replaces the double
coil set in the relay system. I will post the number of turns on each
winding as soon as I have all the info put together. None of the
windings have the same number of turns so the harmonics deffer when
current passes through them. This also is helping to block the 110v
from the 12v. This coil does not replace the HV coil on the vehicle.

S1R.


Maybe seeing this here will help some of you with sharp electronic skills to decipher what s1 is describing.

It shall not be long before many, many people will be converting their cars over to run on WATER! ;Dhttp://

Is there a complete circuit diagram and a component list for all of us to view?

HATS OFF TO YOU GOTOLUC!!!


nightlife

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #113 on: June 29, 2008, 06:22:03 AM »
capacitor70, the two threads may be alike but I think more is being accomplished here. Neither of the two are replica's of s1r's and both are only attempts to duplicate what he has done. Lets all work together seeing that we all have the same goal.


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #114 on: June 29, 2008, 06:37:45 AM »
Nightlife,
 
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Do you have a link to the comment you speak of?  As for a third wire coming from the boot, I have yet to see a "boot" and there are only two wires attached to the nipple of the spark plug. The wire that comes from the nipple that is bared, may just be used to kill the motor. The only three wire configuration seen, are those attached to what ever is in the container.

You are right there is no boot. I have edited my last post to delete the boot comment. Here is the link you asked for: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WaterFuel1978/message/5547

The black wire was for a cut off, if you look it dont go no where it
just hangs there, just touch this wire to the block and it kills the
spark to the plug. The hose was in the bottle about 2 inches.


This is post #5547 in the waterfuel1978 Yahoo group.

-carbully

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #115 on: June 29, 2008, 09:35:42 AM »
Hey guys

I've been a silent reader of this site on and off for a while now. This one really has got my attention. When I first saw the vid, I thought 'so what? it's just a spark. Electricity does that with any spark gap' but then seeing how different it behaves without water did make me wonder.

I've got a couple of questions.

1) Is energy 'released' with the explosion? If so, is the amount of energy released greater than that fed into it by the battery?

2) How do petrol engines get the power for their spark? I'm guessing it's not the battery, since you can have two-stroke lawnmower engines that you start by hand and obviously have no battery. In these examples, it appears that current has to be constantly fed into them. That makes me wonder whether we're not just converting electricity into kinetic energy. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this.

3) (and this is the big one). If this is so simple, why has it not been done in the history of the ICE? I know it's a pretty naive way to be, but I've always found it impossible to create cool inventions since there's always someone who has beaten you to it. I can't believe that nobody else has discovered this before now. I know there are always stories about guys who built water-powered engines then died mysteriously, but surely at an industry level there must be companies who can figure this out.  We can put increasingly powerful computers on decreasingly small chips; we can design robots; build bridges bigger than people ever imagined, and yet we can't discover how to do this until now?

I'm not a skeptic at all. These are just questions I have come up with after following this thread lately. I really like how this is becoming an open source project.

Cheers
Richard

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #116 on: June 29, 2008, 09:46:11 AM »
Luc, please don't get upset if we discuss s1r's setup here because I feel it has a lot to do with this topic as well as what can be figured out about his setup can contribute to yours and this topic. The way yours setup is designed, it will take a extra timing sequence to energize the cap and I don?t see s1r?s set up having a second timing setup. This tells me that there must be a easier way and we should all study s1r?s setup to find out what it is.
 If you prefer, we can start a new thread and discuss his setup there. I just feel it would best to discuss them both here so that we can all stay on the same level.
 
Hi nightlife and everyone, please do fell free to discus the s1r's system since the circuit I posted is a replication attempt of his. The circuit I suggested is not like his but it does show a good effect.

I have noticed in s1r's (video 1) that one lead of the inverter output is going directly to the ground base of the plug and the other to the container, which would mean he is only rectifying one side of the inverter output. I have been testing a setup like this and was able to get it to work for a while with no capacitor, just a coil, also the spark light was very bright. I'll play around with it tomorrow since it is past 3am now, so that is it for me.

I'll post if I find anything new.

At everyone, please keep this topics only on s1r style replication, which would mean no capacitive bank discharge system since we know this is not in his system.

Thank you all for your input.

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2008, 10:29:38 AM »
gotoluc and all,

First time,Don't know what to say.
Accept check this ruff drawing and see if it lines up.
didn't take time to draw properly, I will if y'all want.
Also s1r original drawing attached maybe the poles
of the coils are touching the contacts when energized and giving
your pulsesing magnetic effect. that's how he drew it.
that makes it special. easy to duplicate.
Really neat stuff !

thanks,
mrock

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #118 on: June 29, 2008, 10:35:13 AM »
Forgot this also.

thanks again,
mrock

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #119 on: June 29, 2008, 10:47:32 AM »
mrock 
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