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Author Topic: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE  (Read 880428 times)

Offline JuBragg

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2760 on: March 20, 2011, 08:15:19 AM »
I have read about ten hours of this thread including much of the earliest pages with diagrams. I see the goal of producing a plasma and following up with a heavier amperage to more completely burn water vapor in the cylinder.

Has anyone considered that flame is a plasma so if we run on conventional fuel and conventional timing, then introduce the high amp spark in a plasma environment at 35° or so after top dead centre it should not need high voltage to bridge the gap.?

Admittedly this would not be running solely on water but it would be far simpler to experiment on existing engines, and various ways of water introduction could be tried.

Many years ago I ran an old (1918?) Amanco hit and miss governed stationary engine that ran first on gasoline to start with, switched over to Kerosene when warmed up, and then had a water regulator that allowed  water to be introduced via a needle valve that increased the power and let the engine run cooler, without of course any follow up spark.

When "Firestorm" plug details became available, I reformed the points of conventional plugs to form a dome on the central electrode and a cup on the side electrode that covered the dome, and even though the cup was only about twice the diameter of the electrode material the resulting spark was quite different to a normal one.  The spark was reddish, and covered the whole area under the dome.

Tests on a four stroke push lawnmower seemed to show increased power, letting me cut tussock grass clumps that stalled the mower before. Unfortunately it ripped the center out of the cutting disk after an hour or two of that ! Then made a set of plugs for my 1992 1800 FWD Subaru and it allowed me to come up a 9 hairpin mountain road on my usual town route in one higher gear, third.

To convert the plugs you need a high speed hobby drill, a set of diamond bits, a hardened steel Phillips metal screw to make the dome former which is hollowed with a diamond bit  then put in a drill and pressed and moved around on the central electrode to 'spin' and form the dome. A slight depression on an anvil metal piece and a domed end punch and a few taps with a hammer forms the bent out side electrode into a cup, tricky balancing act as you have to hold the punch and plug in the same hand. Then bend the electrode back centrally over the center electrode, gap with wire the right diameter bent to go under the cup as a flat gapper will not work.

Not very scientific I know , but if it helps those with the capabilities of making the ignition set up get to use it on a vehicle and show substantial fuel saving it will be one step along the way.

I'm working on an old (1928) 4HP stationary engine with 18" heavy flywheels for a generator, if I can get it going on mainly water it should rival grid power now at 22 to 28 cents a KWH !

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Offline diehostusxana

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2761 on: March 23, 2011, 11:47:51 PM »
Hello, dear gentlemens,
here some update from my side:
.) the schematics - easy to build, it sparks every 2 seconds, when plugged in
.) some photos (more here: https://picasaweb.google.com/101524908390124389939/PlasmaSpark?feat=directlink )

things to note:
.) to avoid circuit switching with hand, I use gas discharge tube. I understand, it takes some energy away, ok, but I feel it to be comfot-giving option
.) the small copper wire is swinging after the hit with HV flow (? is there some classical physics explanation)
.) the spark is jumping also to reverse-oriented diode (? strange, right, but showcases Aaron's correct, reference: panacea-bocaf water spark plug)
.) I don't get a reason of that side-jump of the bight light (see the picture)


That's it about input.
Now about wished output.
0) I previously posted my enging photo, asking for some comments on how to change it to plasma. If there are some practical tips, I would appreciate.
1) can please somebody, who has checked, comment on pulstar.com plugs? Are they giving the FireStorm equal effect or not?
2) does somebody have idea why the pulstar.com has that bright spark?
3) If I would say, the eather, which binds with electrons, is like "uncompressible gas" and current is like "a little bit compressible gas", and therefore, in gotoluc circuit eather is the first who excapes to the spark gap and gives that bright light. Will I be right? (reference book: "The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity").
4) About aquapulser.com - is it generating the big spark with the same amount of energy or it consuming more than classic spark-plug?

Best regards,
myself


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2762 on: May 09, 2011, 05:40:27 AM »
Hey Guys

Check the plasma ignition system I have built.
http://www.youtube.com/awatch?v=peO1afaBX5E

I have put it  up on ebay for any one interested who wishes to purchase a kit. I am sure many you have seen the earlier posts by aquapulser.com, ecoignition.com etc  Its way more cheaper than the over priced plasma ignition modules sold there which I believe is a total rip off. $450 for the smallest twin cylinder engine you gotta be kidding  :o  :o  :o

So I decided to build my own plasma kit much more reasonably priced module with more features for researchers and those running hho systems  and those just wishing to save some gas.

I have listed the module on ebay...search for gorilla plasma ignition and you should see it. Here is the link also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/GORILLA-PLASMA-IGNITION-HHO-FUEL-SAVER-RACING-MPG-GAIN-/260781025211?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb7c2a7bb#ht_2846wt_1139

If you have a genuine research project that requires this system, let me know I would be more than happy to give members of this forum a discount. Send me a PM or send me a message through ebay or youtube.

thanks guys.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2763 on: May 09, 2011, 04:04:48 PM »
Hey Guys

Check the plasma ignition system I have built.
http://www.youtube.com/awatch?v=peO1afaBX5E

I have put it  up on ebay for any one interested who wishes to purchase a kit. I am sure many you have seen the earlier posts by aquapulser.com, ecoignition.com etc  Its way more cheaper than the over priced plasma ignition modules sold there which I believe is a total rip off. $450 for the smallest twin cylinder engine you gotta be kidding  :o  :o  :o

So I decided to build my own plasma kit much more reasonably priced module with more features for researchers and those running hho systems  and those just wishing to save some gas.

I have listed the module on ebay...search for gorilla plasma ignition and you should see it. Here is the link also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/GORILLA-PLASMA-IGNITION-HHO-FUEL-SAVER-RACING-MPG-GAIN-/260781025211?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb7c2a7bb#ht_2846wt_1139

If you have a genuine research project that requires this system, let me know I would be more than happy to give members of this forum a discount. Send me a PM or send me a message through ebay or youtube.

thanks guys.

Hello Plasmagorilla,

thank you for bringing our attention to your new plug and play product design.

I wish you all the best with your business.

Please keep us updated with user results if you can.

Thanks for sharing

Luc


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2764 on: May 10, 2011, 12:21:38 AM »
good luck plasmagorilla with the beautifully designed plasma kit. I wonder how it would work when coupled with an HHO system. Has anybody tried to see how much more gas savings can be accomplished by combining the two?

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2764 on: May 10, 2011, 12:21:38 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2765 on: May 12, 2011, 12:52:15 AM »
good luck plasmagorilla with the beautifully designed plasma kit. I wonder how it would work when coupled with an HHO system. Has anybody tried to see how much more gas savings can be accomplished by combining the two?

I personally have not tested this with an HHO system however just plain plasma ignition increases mileage from 22mpg to 30mpg. That is quite significant...but yes I would like to partner with any professional HHO system sellers or those who have a decent working system already installed to try this out.

Thanks

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2766 on: May 12, 2011, 03:01:43 AM »
I personally have not tested this with an HHO system however just plain plasma ignition increases mileage from 22mpg to 30mpg. That is quite significant...but yes I would like to partner with any professional HHO system sellers or those who have a decent working system already installed to try this out.

Thanks

Plasmagorilla, have you tested with a better spark plug like Torque Spark Plug, they are doing better then a standard crappy plug http://www.extremespark.com/videos.html

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2766 on: May 12, 2011, 03:01:43 AM »
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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2767 on: May 12, 2011, 05:25:38 AM »
I personally have not tested this with an HHO system however just plain plasma ignition increases mileage from 22mpg to 30mpg. That is quite significant...but yes I would like to partner with any professional HHO system sellers or those who have a decent working system already installed to try this out.

Thanks

Do a search on ebay "HHO Dry Cell" and contact a few that you like but that are making their own HHO cells. Maybe one of them would want a partnership. You will find all kinds of interesting guys making their own Dry Cells on eBay.

That's what I would do if I was already selling my product on eBay.

Let us know how it works out

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2768 on: June 17, 2011, 02:42:59 PM »
I personally have not tested this with an HHO system however just plain plasma ignition increases mileage from 22mpg to 30mpg. That is quite significant...but yes I would like to partner with any professional HHO system sellers or those who have a decent working system already installed to try this out.

Thanks
I can test it on my car with HHO installed  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIXsKfGVHEY

sorry for my english ;-)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2011, 07:07:45 PM by cky_cleaner »

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2769 on: August 06, 2011, 01:01:13 PM »
I can test it on my car with HHO installed  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIXsKfGVHEY

sorry for my english ;-)

You've tried to rev the engine more than idle?
Thanks for sharing

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2770 on: April 26, 2012, 07:29:49 PM »
You've tried to rev the engine more than idle?
Thanks for sharing
yes , of cource! I drive 1 year with HHO.

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2771 on: December 03, 2012, 04:52:42 AM »
Hello all,
From that I see in the video the heat of the electric arc occuring at the sparkplug causes the water to split into hydrogen and oxygen which then burns.
There is no question a lighting bolt (ie arc across the plug points) will split the water and burn the seperated gasses. However that tiny mist to the spark plug would need be greater in volume if greater forces are to be acheived.
Water powered engines work on the same principal of splitting water.  I would much llike to see how much wattage is required to do the split, and what pressures are obtained from the burning gases, so they can be calculated to KW or Horsepower.
Cheers Peter
 
 


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2772 on: December 03, 2012, 07:59:38 AM »
 
Hello all,
From that I see in the video the heat of the electric arc occuring at the sparkplug causes the water to split into hydrogen and oxygen which then burns.
There is no question a lighting bolt (ie arc across the plug points) will split the water and burn the seperated gasses. However that tiny mist to the spark plug would need be greater in volume if greater forces are to be acheived.
Water powered engines work on the same principal of splitting water.  I would much llike to see how much wattage is required to do the split, and what pressures are obtained from the burning gases, so they can be calculated to KW or Horsepower.
Cheers Peter

this is very HV  and 500HP
 
look at this
http://www.overunity.com/11814/luxury-hydrogen-fuel-cell-boat-draws-electricity-from-sea-water/msg308596/#msg308596
 
Quote
- he was using "dry cells"
 - he could produce an huge quantity of HHO (you bet he should).
 - he generated 50.000 volts but that the use of this voltage was "complicated"
 - he got his idea partly from the Internet
 - he was OK to receive me and to "take me for a ride" but that I would not
   be able to see the engine (even from a long way off...).


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2773 on: December 03, 2012, 08:31:55 AM »
Hello Tagor, Ive been through all the posts and videos but cant get more information than uses X voltage which means nothing. Watts be the thing.  Real easy to use sea water and CO2 to make electricity. Royal Navy in the 18th Centuary trialed Ammonia, we replaced the Ammonia with CO2.
If you can score the wattage from his highly complicated thing. I shall post the generator, using no more than sea water and CO2.
Cheers Peter


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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
« Reply #2774 on: December 03, 2012, 08:46:43 AM »
Hello Tagor, Ive been through all the posts and videos but cant get more information than uses X voltage which means nothing. Watts be the thing.  Real easy to use sea water and CO2 to make electricity. Royal Navy in the 18th Centuary trialed Ammonia, we replaced the Ammonia with CO2.
If you can score the wattage from his highly complicated thing. I shall post the generator, using no more than sea water and CO2.
Cheers Peter

 
yes this very secret until now
 
look at PESN , we have to wait until january or february to get more information
 
 PS :
 
looking at the batery will be a good thing , but we can not !!
 
or buying a boat = 300 000 euros

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Re: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE
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