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Title: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: GM on September 25, 2005, 10:19:40 PM
Hi all,   

today I tried to rebuild a device I saw on the website of Donald L. Smith (http://www.altenergy-pro.com/gallery.htm).
I rebiult device No. 4. Extracting useful energy from an plasma generator.
My setup was nearly similar to the setup shown on Don's page (http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device04.htm). 
The only difference was that I used a wire with smaller diameter (0.7mm) but more turns (10) for the coil on the top of the plasma ball.   

After switching on the plasma ball the gas into the spere glows, but I could not measure any voltage on the coil. :-(

Then I placed the antipole of the plasmagenerator on the top of the ball. So there was a bright plasma beam going through the middle of the big air coil. But nothing happens. 0 volt in the coil, meassuring was done with an analouge voltmeter (DC and AC mode).

I have to say that I am not fully convinced by Don's devices. He claims that some of his devices put out really high amounts of power, but I could not imagine that one gets 1000 volts from a single coil with max. 30 turns on a magnetic core.
And there is one more curious thing in the explanation text for his device 9 (http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device09-1.htm). He write: "...Note the coils in pairs, left and right. Each pair produces 1000 Volts at 50 Amps; 8 pairs = 8000 Volts at 400 Amps when output to a Buss Bar..."  But if you connect 8 coil pairs you got 8000 volt @ 50 amp OR 1000 volt @ 400 amp depending on the kind of connection. Is this a simple oversight?    Does somebody know one of Don's devices and can confirm the functionallity?

Bye Markus
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: hartiberlin on September 27, 2005, 05:03:07 AM
The devices of Don Smith seem to be a fake and he also could never prove, that
they worked as claimed. He is doing the free energy scene no good with his fakes...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: oouthere on September 27, 2005, 03:31:35 PM
I spoke with someone at a conference (Calvin Power Wheel builder) and he's certain Don simply mismeasured and there is no o/u.  It didn't seem to be intentional, just incorrect.

Rich
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: GM on September 27, 2005, 09:48:34 PM
Oh, it's a great pity to hear this. So I stop now tring to reconstruct Don's experiements.

But nevertheless I show you the pictures from my plasmaball setup.

Bye Markus
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Freedomfuel on October 23, 2005, 09:41:23 PM
If you try to copy so called 'overunity' devices from plans and photographs on the internet you are bound to be dissapointed.  In the case of Bedini , for instance, he conceals much of the details of how his devices work in the patents yet gets upset when sceptics point out that he does not publish reproducible experiments, performance data or allow independant testing of his devces by qualified engineers.  As far as I am concerned Bedini, Smith and others like them are BS merchants.

You should approach the work of Smith and others like him as a source of ideas for your own experiments based on your own ideas and on an understanding of basic principles.  The latter is hard to achieve because there are no experts on free energy on the internet.  There is also a lot of misinformation placed on the internet to throw people off the trail.  All the real experts are working for the US government in classified projects.  You might find my article in this section titled 'Free Energy Comes From Atmosphere, Not Vacuum' a helpful source of fundamentel principles for engineering these devices.  From various clues I have received from Disclosure Project 'insiders' and other sources on the internet this essay vaguely defines the engineering principles of overunity engineering design. 

Of all the Don Smith designs numbers 9-1 and 9-2 look the most interesting.  According to the design principles I have published a design like this should have a verticle axis of rotation for the magnet assemblies since such devices are supposed to beam a signal into the ionosphere.

Check out these two authentic designs for ideas to make your own designs:

Roschin and Godin. Experimental Research of the Magnetic-Gravity Effects
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/godin-roschin.htm
http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/roschin.htm

Mikell Device
http://www.fdp.nu/mikelldevice/thedevice.asp
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: GM on October 25, 2005, 08:22:09 PM
Freedomfuel,

yes, I try to go my own way of knowledge. See also my post here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,476.0.html) (formerly I was registerd as "gast" in this forum).

But unfortunattely my professional skill is inadequately today and I have also to purchase some better measuring instruments for further experiments.
In the meantime (I have to earn some money for that) I try to reproduce experiments from other researchers, who mean my ability and tools are appropriate.

And no, I am not dissapointed. If there is only one device which really produce "OU", then all other non functional plans and devices which are published on the net would be complete irrelevant. And I saw some very impressive and convincing things the last weeks and month. Okay, not in reallife but as movie, picture and text. So my "dissapointing-level" is not reached for a long time yet. :-)

Markus

This text was created using BabelFish translator
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Bruce A. Perreault on November 13, 2005, 02:55:35 PM
Marcus,

Don tried to tell everyone how his device works...

http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm (http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm)

You must walk before you can run.

            -Bruce P.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: r8rchris on February 03, 2006, 05:36:08 PM
Is Don Smith the inventor of the element rods, suposedly being made in Japan?? The 300 watt 73 and 74 element rod generator?? Anybody familiar with this product ???
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: pese on May 16, 2006, 10:30:15 AM
i have seen this. years ago.
iam wondering to find no more links
to descrition an
the sale-offers to thos maschine
i seen pics and video jears ago

any links avaiale now?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: johnnyfg on November 24, 2008, 09:18:16 AM
today I tried to rebuild a device I saw on the website of Donald L. Smith (http://www.altenergy-pro.com/gallery.htm).
I rebiult device No. 4. Extracting useful energy from an plasma generator.

His site have been down for some weeks now.
Before it went down, I got a feeling that I should copy the site ... I got it on my computer at home.
One wonders why the site is down? Have Don passed away?

Johnny Feelgood
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: johnnyfg on November 25, 2008, 07:38:00 PM
http://transenergy.tripod.com/index.htm (http://transenergy.tripod.com/index.htm)
Is a copy of Don L Smith's homepage. And no, it is not my copy.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on June 25, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
Marcus,
Don tried to tell everyone how his device works...
http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm (http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm)
You must walk before you can run.
            -Bruce P.
Thanks for that link, Bruce.

If Don Smith exhibited at, and was accepted by the International Tesla Society Symposium in 1996, then he is not a fake.

There is valuable stuff to be found here curtesy of the irrepressible
Patrick:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smith.pdf

The equipment does not look that difficult to build, but understanding
the physics is not so easy.

Paul-R.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: johnnyfg on June 25, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
http://transenergy.tripod.com/index.htm (http://transenergy.tripod.com/index.htm)
Is a copy of Don L Smith's homepage. And no, it is not my copy.
I got a rebuilt copy of the site that is much more accurate than the above.
It could before be found at www.archive.org but today when I tested again.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on June 27, 2009, 04:13:59 PM
I got a rebuilt copy of the site that is much more accurate than the above.
It could before be found at www.archive.org but today when I tested again.
Its gone. Can you share that site with us?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: johnnyfg on June 29, 2009, 01:39:50 PM
Its gone. Can you share that site with us?
http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/smith2005.htm (http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/smith2005.htm)
http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/ambientpower.htm (http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/ambientpower.htm)  (ads etc ugly)
http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/ (http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/) (cleaned but no info is lost or changed)
Do not expect them to be there for ever, copy them if of interest.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: TinselKoala on June 29, 2009, 10:18:37 PM
" The following is a radio photograph taken at 408 MHz, that is, all the energy visible in the photograph resonates magnetic flux at 408 MHz, far beyond the spectrum of visible light. (Photo courtesy of Radio Sky, Haslam 408 MHz; www.tuc.nrao.edu .

Our Milky Way Galaxy measures 150 light years, end to end. Red and Yellow indicate the actual galactic boundaries, outer radiated energy is displayed in green. Not visible in this photograph, the Earth exists near the left end of the central high energy area, surrounded by a soup of energy that extends in all directions."


408 MHz far beyond the visible spectrum? How about far BELOW...
Galaxy measures 150 light years end to end? Ummm....maybe it's just a bit bigger than that...

And that's just a randomly selected paragraph.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on August 01, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
today I tried to rebuild a device I saw on the website of Donald L. Smith (http://www.altenergy-
The only difference was that I used a wire with smaller diameter (0.7mm) but more turns (10) for the coil on the top of the plasma ball.   
Then you are doomed to fail.

Don Smith's seminal text is "Resonance energy methods", and RESONANCE is EVERYTHING

This is what I reckon:
You used the wrong wire which changed the resistance and used more turns which changed the inductance.
This circuit is like a figure of eight; two circuits with a common item, the capacitors. The first circuit
is driven by the plasma ball, which outputs voltage at a certain frequency. This frequency must resonate
with the inductor (on top of the plasma ball) and the capacitor.

The second circuit uses the same capacitor (more likely a bank of caps) and the inductance of the
output transformer, the secondary of which takes your load. This second circuit must resonate internally
but it must resonate with the first circuit also

       ------------------------------------
       !                        !                        !
       !                        !                        !
  transformer         capacitor                 coil (fed from plasma ball)
       !                        !                        !
       !                        !                        !
       ------------------------------------


Paul-R
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Yucca on August 01, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
http://transenergy.tripod.com/index.htm (http://transenergy.tripod.com/index.htm)
Is a copy of Don L Smith's homepage. And no, it is not my copy.

Waste of time, It is not a copy, it has been grossly altered, someones attempt at humour perhaps?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on August 03, 2009, 04:21:17 PM
Waste of time...
This is on the metal - copy it now:
http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/index.htm

Also, a reminder of two excellent Don Smith references:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smith.pdf

Paul.

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Yucca on August 03, 2009, 11:16:38 PM
Cheers Paul-R. I had read it before but forgot the URL, Making local copy now...
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Goat on August 04, 2009, 12:29:50 AM
Thanks Paul-R

The pdf files were a good read, but I now have some questions if anyone is interested in looking into them.

Concerning the drawings and descriptions from http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smith.pdf

Page 3/92 shows a 5 turn coil on the plasma globe.
Page 8/92 show the copper and aluminum plates as a capacitor on the plasma tube.

Drawing 2/4 on page 16/92 shows the capacitor plates connected to the battery then to the inverter.
Drawing 3/4 on page 17/92 shows the capacitor plates connected to a terminal block as in the picture on Page 8/92.

Is there drawback(s) or gain(s) from using either a coil or capacitor plates as shown?

If the coil on the plasma globe/tube is connected as shown on Drawing 2/4 page 16/92 you'd end up with a short across the battery.  If the coil goes to a terminal block, then to a load, it would depend on the load match as far as it being dead short or a nearly open circuit.

If the capacitor on the globe/tube is connected as shown on Drawing Drawing 3/4 page 17/92 the configuration wouldn't be a short on the battery but would the capacitor actually give back anything to the battery?

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on August 04, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
Dear Paul,

It is very important to realise that Don Smith is describing several different setups
and to keep them separate. There is the plasma tube with its huge capacitor
half way along - there is the plasma globe with its coil sitting on the top - there
is the wheel of shielding material rotating infront of eight pairs of magnets shrouded
in pick up coils.

The coil sitting on the plasma globe works a bit like two LC tank circuits that I
described above, EXCEPT that the left hand circuit needs an adjustable spark
gap. The plasma globe gives off a high frequency voltage which drives the
right hand tank circuit and MUST BE IN RESONANCE. And there is the left hand
tank circuit (with capacitors in common with the first circuit) with its output
transformer which must resonate along with the right hand circuit.

Anyway, that's what I think.

Paul-R
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on August 04, 2009, 05:10:37 PM
Sorry, folks, Message 16 is not right.
The left hand tank circuit needs an adjustable spark gap:

            ------------------------------------
            !                        !                        !
  <--- output                   !                        !
  <--- transformer       capacitor                 coil (fed from high frequency signal from plasma ball)
            !                        !                        !
            !                        !                        !
            -------o   o-------------------------



Paul-R
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Paul-R on August 04, 2009, 05:37:01 PM
Thanks Paul-R

The pdf files were a good read...

You might like to see this:
http://tinyurl.com/lvv62r
Paul-R
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 09, 2009, 05:07:25 PM
Sorry, folks, Message 16 is not right.
The left hand tank circuit needs an adjustable spark gap:

            ------------------------------------
            !                        !                        !
  <--- output                   !                        !
  <--- transformer       capacitor                 coil (fed from high frequency signal from plasma ball)
            !                        !                        !
            !                        !                        !
            -------o   o-------------------------


Paul-R
Have you, or anyone, tested this circuit for overunity?

--Lee
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: johnnyfg on December 09, 2009, 05:39:33 PM
Have you, or anyone, tested this circuit for overunity?
--Lee
I think Don Smith have said in his video's that he could test his devices in circuit simulation software, before he built them. That is something I very much would like to do also. High voltage and fine tuning of resonance, makes it tricky to get it right (for me anyway). Hopefully someone who is better in using circuit simulation than me, could share their files here on the forum perhaps?
--johnnyfg
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on December 09, 2009, 05:44:09 PM
I think Don Smith have said in his video's that he could test his devices in circuit simulation software, before he built them. That is something I very much would like to do also. High voltage and fine tuning of resonance, makes it tricky to get it right (for me anyway). Hopefully someone who is better in using circuit simulation than me, could share their files here on the forum perhaps?
--johnnyfg
@johnny
Simulation software is based on mathematical principles that should be accurate, but to be sure, the device should be built and tested by hand with accurately calibrated equipment.

--Lee
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Rosphere on January 22, 2010, 12:22:44 PM
The recent agentgates SNAFU attracted this post from -[marco]-:

Okay so i can answer this for you as it is a good question :)

The fat primary winding that all 3 devices have in common:

This fat few turn primary tickles the secondary "under the chin"
Mr. E Dollard explaind this, he said the charge generated by this fat primary coil was moving too fast for the electrons in the secondary to keep up with.
According to him this had a choking effect on the electrons and the flow of cold electricity was the result.  :)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8227.msg216241#msg216241

Marco's recent graphic, (from his quoted link above,) names Gray, Dollard, and Smith, all using the same concept, (as quoted above.)  This in late 2009.

However, Stefan had this to say about Smith back in 2005:

The devices of Don Smith seem to be a fake and he also could never prove, that
they worked as claimed. He is doing the free energy scene no good with his fakes...

Regards, Stefan.

As a result of this posting, user GM gave up:

Oh, it's a great pity to hear this. So I stop now tring to reconstruct Don's experiements.

But nevertheless I show you the pictures from my plasmaball setup.

Bye Markus

Today, ramset has this to say about agentgates:

Paul

I've seen some pretty fast operators in my day!

But buddy you jump to conclusions WAYYYYY to quickly!!

There is to much at stake to act this way!!
once this is analyzed [in progress] the rest will be obvious!
And the results shared with all 

No stone unturned!

Chet

Keep looking fellows !

Maybe we should give a Don Smith device another chance, like the one shown in marco's graphic.

Stefan, do you have some evidence of Don Smith fakery?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Dr Bob on April 23, 2010, 10:11:26 PM
Folks:
       I worked at a place that built parts that ran on 570 kv ac and had to last 120 years for special government projects. The problem is that things keep changing. Take the Monster speaker wire that Don Smith was using. They don't make it any more with 538 copper wires in the cable. I now have a plasma ball, the only place to get one is "Target" stores. I'm using 4 gauge welding wire because it has 538 wire strands. I can get Capacitors that take 100 kv and in almost any Microfarad i need. I have tracked 20 kv 600 amp diodes and am building a workshop to do the research work. I will build a wire winder for prototypes. I have tracked down a wire supplier for all kinds of transformer wire. I have a supplier for Neon Sign transformers that are 60 kv at 60 milliamps. All of this has taken 2 years. I am funding this from my own pocket, as all the gov't funding went to "Exxon". I'll update when all is together. If this works or not, i must try to find out. No reason not to.

Dr Bob
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: guruji on July 09, 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Nice Dr.Bob keep up the good work I am trying to replicate the plasma ball device but it seems that it's a bit complicated more than I thought. :-\
I still try it but be aware as Don always says it produce high voltages and are lethal.
Ok thanks
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: XS-NRG on July 10, 2010, 01:18:17 AM
That invention of Mr Smith should not have been on the same picture with Mr E. Dollard and Mr E.V Gray.

It is only on that picture because the set up shows simalarities.

Concider the following,
A demonstration is given to you in which a Don Smith type device is shown.
The device put's out a perfect 60 Hertz fixed frequency.

Now ask yourself the question, what would YOU think if i told you such devices will always have a frequency drift?
They will never be stable at EXACTLY 60Hz especially because a spark gap is used in combination with a frequency correcting resistor.

The device would have had more credabillity IF it showed a frequency drift and IF the output frequency was something else then 60 Hertz.

..
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: guruji on July 11, 2010, 09:12:53 AM
That invention of Mr Smith should not have been on the same picture with Mr E. Dollard and Mr E.V Gray.

It is only on that picture because the set up shows simalarities.

Concider the following,
A demonstration is given to you in which a Don Smith type device is shown.
The device put's out a perfect 60 Hertz fixed frequency.

Now ask yourself the question, what would YOU think if i told you such devices will always have a frequency drift?
They will never be stable at EXACTLY 60Hz especially because a spark gap is used in combination with a frequency correcting resistor.

The device would have had more credabillity IF it showed a frequency drift and IF the output frequency was something else then 60 Hertz.

..

Hi XS-Nrg yes you said correct but Don states that he used certain instruments to tune his devices to the correct frequency.
Thanks
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: XS-NRG on July 11, 2010, 12:14:50 PM
He would need alot of additional circuitry to stabilize the output frequency.

It has got nothing to do with tunning tools but all with monitorring and stabilizing.

You cannot simply use tunning tools to fix the frequency of a spark gap that is a bunch of nonsense it will always be irregular because of it's crude nature.
And beside, there ain't a tool in the world that could fix that.

The only case where the spark is seriously regulated is in ignition systems and this is not the case in the Don Smith example.
..


Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: sm0ky2 on July 11, 2010, 03:55:54 PM
He would need alot of additional circuitry to stabilize the output frequency.

It has got nothing to do with tunning tools but all with monitorring and stabilizing.

You cannot simply use tunning tools to fix the frequency of a spark gap that is a bunch of nonsense it will always be irregular because of it's crude nature.
And beside, there ain't a tool in the world that could fix that.

The only case where the spark is seriously regulated is in ignition systems and this is not the case in the Don Smith example.
..

this is complete and utter nonsense. Tesla was easily able to maintain discrete frequencies, with crude and simple feedback circuitry - using (yes) spark gaps.

It is the ability to charge and discharge the storage medium that can create a consistent frequency using this type of system.
The reason such complex control circuitry is used today, is because we inherently utilize storage medium with a higher charge-potential than the discharge gap. This results in inconsistent charge-rates and can lead to retarted or premature discharge patterns.

This is not "always" the case. With some mediums, there can be a consistent charge rate and subsequent discharge - even with the charge potential being higher than the potential between the spark gap. and in such an instance, the only thing required to have complete control over the frequency is an adjustment of the gap potential.( distance and impedance)

There are several other factors that contribute to inconsistent frequencies - for instance wether or not the spark gap is exposed to open air (and wether or not this air is moving), the distance of the charging current path (shorter distances can result in greater inconsistencies), the physicalities of the electrodes can affect the particular discharge-path which can also lead to fluxuations in frequency.

If you understand the mechanism of the charge/discharge, the frequency can be discrete, without the use of 21st century technology. Frequency-dependent experiments were being conducted as early as the end of the 1800's, using spark gaps.


Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: guruji on July 11, 2010, 09:29:44 PM
Smokey is right I saw an experiment on youtube with a plasmaball lighting a bulb. When gap was varied voltage varied. There's a relation with voltage and frequency with gap.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: XS-NRG on July 12, 2010, 06:39:17 PM
this is complete and utter nonsense. Tesla was easily able to maintain discrete frequencies, with crude and simple feedback circuitry - using (yes) spark gaps.

It is the ability to charge and discharge the storage medium that can create a consistent frequency using this type of system.
The reason such complex control circuitry is used today, is because we inherently utilize storage medium with a higher charge-potential than the discharge gap. This results in inconsistent charge-rates and can lead to retarted or premature discharge patterns.

This is not "always" the case. With some mediums, there can be a consistent charge rate and subsequent discharge - even with the charge potential being higher than the potential between the spark gap. and in such an instance, the only thing required to have complete control over the frequency is an adjustment of the gap potential.( distance and impedance)

There are several other factors that contribute to inconsistent frequencies - for instance wether or not the spark gap is exposed to open air (and wether or not this air is moving), the distance of the charging current path (shorter distances can result in greater inconsistencies), the physicalities of the electrodes can affect the particular discharge-path which can also lead to fluxuations in frequency.

If you understand the mechanism of the charge/discharge, the frequency can be discrete, without the use of 21st century technology. Frequency-dependent experiments were being conducted as early as the end of the 1800's, using spark gaps.

Nonsense back at you.
Show me one spark gap that measures a perfect 60Hz on the frequency counter.

You will fail.
Because the composition of air varies one spark to another, this alone makes it impossible to have no frequency drift.

Any body working with spark gaps know that air composition and humidity play major roles in frequency stabillity.

I could go into some in depth discussion about this subject but it is not worth my time.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Dr Bob on July 14, 2010, 12:12:06 AM
I have all the parts, but no place to assemble it yet. High voltages don't bother me. I use to test parts at 570,000 volts A/C at 1.25 amps. Been "Zapped" more than once by A+ and DC at 150,000 volts. You don't do it twice.
Please all, be safe and keep one hand in your pocket. Wear voltage gloves.
Use long Fiberglass poles and test leads.

Dr. BOB.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: sigis on January 16, 2011, 04:24:34 PM
Folks:
       I worked at a place that built parts that ran on 570 kv ac and had to last 120 years for special government projects. The problem is that things keep changing. Take the Monster speaker wire that Don Smith was using. They don't make it any more with 538 copper wires in the cable. I now have a plasma ball, the only place to get one is "Target" stores. I'm using 4 gauge welding wire because it has 538 wire strands. I can get Capacitors that take 100 kv and in almost any Microfarad i need. I have tracked 20 kv 600 amp diodes and am building a workshop to do the research work. I will build a wire winder for prototypes. I have tracked down a wire supplier for all kinds of transformer wire. I have a supplier for Neon Sign transformers that are 60 kv at 60 milliamps. All of this has taken 2 years. I am funding this from my own pocket, as all the gov't funding went to "Exxon". I'll update when all is together. If this works or not, i must try to find out. No reason not to.

Dr Bob
Hello Bob,
I try to replicate Don device already year. Still not success.
May I ask what type of diodes 60KV at 60ma you are using?
Regards,
Sigitas.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Dr Bob on January 17, 2011, 08:18:18 PM
The Diodes are from standard 188,000 volt transmission line equipment.
The 100,000 volt capacitors are from "High Energy Corp" that I use to work for.
I have see the designs, tested them, blown up a few defective ones and repaired some as well. The spark gap should be adjusted or selected from off the shelf product to "Limit" top voltage. This what Don Smith was trying to do so his 8,000 volt caps wouldn't fail at possible 10,000 volt levels. If you use 50,000 volt caps with a 40,000 volt Neon Sign power supply all will be OK.

Dr. BOB
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: baroutologos on January 17, 2011, 11:11:59 PM
Quote
Nonsense back at you.
Show me one spark gap that measures a perfect 60Hz on the frequency counter.

You will fail.
Because the composition of air varies one spark to another, this alone makes it impossible to have no frequency drift.

Any body working with spark gaps know that air composition and humidity play major roles in frequency stabillity.

I could go into some in depth discussion about this subject but it is not worth my time.

I rarely intervene in such threads, but the point here developed is valid enough. You cannot have "smooth" resonance with traditional spark-gaps.
Tesla striving into this direction developed wheels that were rotated by synchronous motors of fixed speed and were making the spark (or L1C1 ringing) at completely defined time intervals.

Also he has mastered the commutator wheel with brushes that at a fixed speed creates sparking at identical time intervals.
...

By the way, according my view, with contemporary means, the best and only method for attaining perfect resonance in all aspects is the Kacher device.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: XS-NRG on January 18, 2011, 12:48:36 AM
yes well you can have perfectly timed sparks but that does not mean your system will resonate.
Resonance usually involves a perfect sine wave and sparks create anything but that.  :)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: spinn_MP on January 18, 2011, 01:37:07 AM
The Diodes are from standard 188,000 volt transmission line equipment.
The 100,000 volt capacitors are from "High Energy Corp" that I use to work for.
I have see the designs, tested them, blown up a few defective ones and repaired some as well. The spark gap should be adjusted or selected from off the shelf product to "Limit" top voltage. This what Don Smith was trying to do so his 8,000 volt caps wouldn't fail at possible 10,000 volt levels. If you use 50,000 volt caps with a 40,000 volt Neon Sign power supply all will be OK.

Dr. BOB

Another Dr? Bob?
Chiropractics, eh?

What are the "standard 180kV diodes"?
Or, 100kV capacitors?
"40kV" Neon sign transformer?

What are those artifacts looks like?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: spinn_MP on January 18, 2011, 01:46:43 AM
I have all the parts, but no place to assemble it yet. High voltages don't bother me. I use to test parts at 570,000 volts A/C at 1.25 amps. Been "Zapped" more than once by A+ and DC at 150,000 volts. You don't do it twice.
Please all, be safe and keep one hand in your pocket. Wear voltage gloves.
Use long Fiberglass poles and test leads.

Dr. BOB.

Lol!
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: ramset on January 18, 2011, 02:30:21 AM



                                     Spinner
                                         :P
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: giantkiller on August 21, 2011, 02:49:13 AM
Spark gaps are broadband transmitters. The spew.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 22, 2011, 12:30:35 AM
Spark gaps are broadband transmitters. The spew.
You're correct.  I think they were outlawed by the FCC for that reason.  Lakhovsky radiating coils should be able do the same thing over an enormous bandwidth range.

I did see a schematic once awhile back that indicated that choke coils at the input were EMI suppressors.  Then I found this:

http://www.murata.com/products/catalog/pdf/c09e.pdf

They're designed, I imagine, for 50-60 Hz.  The question is:  Will these have any beneficial effect on a spark gap or Lakhovsky coil?

--Lee
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Dave45 on August 22, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
Thinking of spark gaps and the magnetic field watch the first few minutes of this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJvmsnQ1Z0
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Dr Bob on August 23, 2011, 12:07:37 AM
It is now 08/22/11. I have been at it sourcing parts for a second Don Smith type device. This is my own design. It is much simpler to do. The initial frequency can be anything necessary to generate maximum power with parts on hand. Then d/c it and use a standard  frequency circuit for 60 HZ. Most AC lines are 57-63 cycles all the time anyway. Not dead on 60 HZ.  The caps can be 600 volt units. This duplicates Tesla's spike generators he used. I'm having to build the Neon Sign transformer because all of a sudden you can only buy 4KV 60 HZ units. The 35,700HZ 30,000KV are no longer made by "Government" orders. Something about a danger to the public.

Never Give Up!!!

Dr. BOB.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: FatBird on August 23, 2011, 12:19:17 AM
Dr Bob,

Could you please post a schematic & parts list for your Don Smith unit?

According to all of the posts I have read through the years, nobody seems to be able to make a Don Smith work.
There are HUNDREDS of frustrated folks out there that have really tried to do it, but to no avail.

Thanks.

.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 24, 2011, 04:11:15 AM
...According to all of the posts I have read through the years, nobody seems to be able to make a Don Smith work. ...
... There are HUNDREDS of frustrated folks out there that have really tried to do it, but to no avail.
I read a long time ago in a (probably now-defunct) free energy magazine that the article author indicated only the genius inventors of decades past (e.g. Moray, Tesla) were born with the innate ability to tune their creations by mere "feel".  Daniel Pomerleau is a prime example.

Even I have a hard time getting some results from simple experiments.  The Joule Thief for OU (as such) is still elusive, is it not?  Has anyone claimed the OU.com prize yet?

--Lee
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 11, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
Dr Bob,

What happened with your Don Smith device replication efforts. Would you like to share your results with us.  ;D

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dieter on March 13, 2014, 02:53:53 AM
Good pdf on page 1 (chapter3 or so), other than thst, I think this thread was resting in peace.
Funny Smith Generator, 8 neodyms, couple o coils, 400 kilowatts :-) , just don't forget the neodym powder sprinkles... Well I wish it were so easy. Tho, basicly the designs and theories look good.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 03:31:04 AM
Dieter,

I am trying to replicate don smith device in which one primary is magnetically coupled to 4 secondaries and loading the secondaries doesnt load the primary due to pure magnetic coupling.

My one primary and 3 resonant secondaries are ready.

I am using a 12 V 7Ah accumulator for powering it. Battery is connected to an 18 watt CFL inverter circuit and inverters output goes to a flyback bsc25 t1010a.

Flyback is a latest fresh piece used in televisions. Flyback pin 1 and 10 are input and pin 6 and HV are output.

I have connected two homemade leden jars in parallel to flyback output. And these parallel  wires are connected in series via a spark gap to the primary. Not using earth connection anywhere.

However I have an earth wire to watertap and that wire when brought 1 inch close to HV output side gives loud earhuring blue clattering sparks.

But surprisingly when brought close to the other side of output there is hardly any spark, just a small soundless faint thin arc that dies when the distance is more than 4 mm.

Why so ?? Shouldnt both the sides of HV output give same spark while close to earth wire ??

Is it due to the inbuilt hv diode on the hv main output of flyback and no diode on other hv output ??

What is the reason of this anamoly ? Before I go further I want to resolve this.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 13, 2014, 05:07:23 AM
This is a great looking Mazilli driver that I'm building built with a TV Flyback. I've seen some good results from others that have built it. Should fix your small spark :)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dieter on March 13, 2014, 08:11:12 AM
Google, I can't answer your question, but you're scaring me with that HV thingie connected to the water tap... be careful. Some wrong wiring and a kid or so in an other room could be zapped, and caps+HV=pushing roses.


Some of smiths stuff sounds pretty good, plausible. But the fact that he said he always omits some info has made be keep on searching elsewhere. I hate to dig in the dark.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jeg on March 13, 2014, 09:49:34 AM
Hi@all
Google, you obviously use as a secondary, one coil taped in the middle to ground. As Don Smith says (and he is right), one side of the coil would be HV, and the other would be high current! Those coil ends should not be attached together and then to a capacitor as most of the circuits of zilano show. Your coil ends should be attached one to one leg of the capacitor, and the other to the other leg of the capacitor.

 If your secondary is two coils in series CW and CCW taped in the center, then you will take at both sides HV and then can easily connect them together through diodes to one leg of the capacitor, and the other leg of Cap to ground. In your case (first case), it is normal to see HV only to one side.

I am sorry for my poor English.
Tnks
Jeg
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 13, 2014, 11:15:28 AM
Hi@all
Google, you obviously use as a secondary, one coil taped in the middle to ground. As Don Smith says (and he is right), one side of the coil would be HV, and the other would be high current! Those coil ends should not be attached together and then to a capacitor as most of the circuits of zilano show. Your coil ends should be attached one to one leg of the capacitor, and the other to the other leg of the capacitor.

 If your secondary is two coils in series CW and CCW taped in the center, then you will take at both sides HV and then can easily connect them together through diodes to one leg of the capacitor, and the other leg of Cap to ground. In your case (first case), it is normal to see HV only to one side.

I am sorry for my poor English.
Tnks
Jeg


Can you explain how one end can have current and second one voltage ? Are they out of phase ? CW and CW with center tap?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 01:01:15 PM
You mean to say big spark side of secondary is high voltage and small spark side of secondary is high current ?

Its confusing please explain.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: TinselKoala on March 13, 2014, 01:31:58 PM
Flyback transformers have a lot of pins and it's easy to get the wrong one as the bottom "hv output".  When you use the correct pin.... and you do NOT use the flyback's own primary, but you put your own primary on the exposed part of the ferrite core.... you can get real results from your flyback.

If it's HV sparks with a lot of current you want.... examine your assumptions. Maybe they are leading you astray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jeg on March 13, 2014, 01:35:09 PM
Hi again
All the info about Don Smith resonance systems is disclosed in Don's Lectures on Youtube. No problem to say it again.

Everything in nature is consists of two particles that always goes together in balance. If you separate them through a coil, those particles are moving in a try to reunite again. You can call these particles plus and minus, or north and south magnetic currents (Leedskalnin terminology), or just electrons doublets the one being negative and the other more negative (Don Smith terminology). The more negative represents voltage and the other current.
If you take them from ground in to your system by taping in the middle a coil, then one kind of those doublets go right and the other left. The power that you take is because of their try to reunite again. If your secondary is just one coil being tapped in the middle, one side will give HV and the other side the current. If your secondary is two coils one being CW and the other CCW, then both sides of your secondary will be HV, and ground in the middle will give you the other kind of particles which are responsible for the current. When those two kinds find each other through i.e a resistance they give real VA power.

Tnks
Jeg
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: TinselKoala on March 13, 2014, 02:04:18 PM
Yep. Your assumptions are definitely leading you astray. Things don't quite work, actually, the way Don Smith says they do, and that's why you see people failing in their efforts to get their devices to work.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 02:11:40 PM
Attached is the schematic.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jeg on March 13, 2014, 02:31:03 PM
Yep. Your assumptions are definitely leading you astray. Things don't quite work, actually, the way Don Smith says they do, and that's why you see people failing in their efforts to get their devices to work.

I think the main problem is not in the given theory but in the lack of crucial details  for the complete understanding. ie resonating a coil to its natural resonance using lower frequencies. By the way did you check my waveform at hfsstc topic? 
Title: another anamoly observed
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
I did the experiment as attached here and found that there is no change in battery current draw when I shorted the secondary step down coil ends.

The system is not registering any load on it on shorting the secondary.

There is no earth connection used anywhere. Everything is on table and away from earth.
What is this supposed to mean.

Best
Title: Re: another anamoly observed
Post by: Liberty on March 13, 2014, 03:55:45 PM
I did the experiment as attached here and found that there is no change in battery current draw when I shorted the secondary step down coil ends.

The system is not registering any load on it on shorting the secondary.

There is no earth connection used anywhere. Everything is on table and away from earth.
What is this supposed to mean.

Best

If I may inject an opinion of the circuit: 

The circuit load consists of the flyback transformer and the two caps and the inverter.  As the caps charge up, they present a load to the inverter.  That is what determines your current draw in your circuit.  When the caps dis-charge after reaching sufficient voltage to bridge the spark gap, then the load to recharge the caps starts over.  So the load is really only recharging the caps after the spark dis-charge.  Therefore, shorting the secondary AB will have little effect on the current draw of the device.  I see no potential for OU in this type of circuit. 

The only way I have found to achieve OU (more power out vs. power in), is to be able to efficiently extract an external energy source or force that you don't have to pay back and add it to your device's output.  (Wind, sunlight, magnetism).
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 04:04:16 PM
I am not claiming anything at all. Just wondering if I add many secondaries and draw power out from them, will there be a load on the primary or not ?

Best
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Liberty on March 13, 2014, 04:15:45 PM
I am not claiming anything at all. Just wondering if I add many secondaries and draw power out from them, will there be a load on the primary or not ?

Best

I'm not concerned about what you claim as some seem to get quite excited if they hear OU.  You will know when you really have something if you study it completely. 

But to answer your question about the circuit, using the spark gap, you have effectively isolated a direct connection from the load to the input source.  However, you will only be able to extract or draw power out of the secondary AB at the rate provided by your cap/spark gap and driver circuit.  The load or current draw on the circuit is determined by how often you have to re-charge the caps after a spark dis-charge into the transformer and other circuit losses.

Hope this helps.

Liberty
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
Max energy draw cant be unlimited. ;D 

Does magnetic resonant coupling between one primary and many secondaries lead to OU ? Don Smith said so, I am not confident though.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 04:26:21 PM
@ Liberty,

In the Energy Amplification thread many people are shouting over the rooftops that they have working Free Energy OU
devices based on Teslas bifi coil and magnifying transmitter and lenzless trafo patents but they always talk in riddles and that thread is many years old.

Whats happening on this forum man.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Liberty on March 13, 2014, 04:39:30 PM
Max energy draw cant be unlimited. ;D 

Does magnetic resonant coupling between one primary and many secondaries lead to OU ? Don Smith said so, I am not confident though.

Best,

In my electronic experience, as soon as you draw energy from an oscillating series or tank circuit, you lower the intensity of the oscillation and change the frequency of the oscillation, due to the loss in the circuit.  There is no energy gain in resonance.  I think resonance can help with efficiency in the right application.  The resonance of a cap and coil are mainly used in radio circuits as a band pass or band frequency block.  I have not found any additional energy gain by using resonance.  Impedance matching is also very important in such circuits, as to the efficiency achieved.   But I have not ever seen in my experience, an OU increase in output due to any electronic circuit used.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 03:33:53 AM
Has anyone ever tried the enclosed schematic or someone aware of real results from a similar schematic or maybe some YT video ?

Best,

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 14, 2014, 06:46:26 AM
I think it would work if you work out it  ;)  This idea is correct but need modifications. See also Don Smith 2001 video about the same using metglas core
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jeg on March 14, 2014, 07:22:56 AM
I think that if you setup properly one secondary then it is easy to apply the same principals to more secondaries.
It is not an easy task though. The energy passage from primary to secondary needs to be flawless and that happens only if you match both sides in wavelength terms. i.e both of them have to have a 1/4, 1/2 or full wave relation.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 07:24:15 AM
Please suggest the modifiactions. Thanks.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 03:24:32 AM
Hi jeg and forest,

I will take .50 mm wire for primary 1 meter length and secondaries as 0.25 mm wire with 4 meter length.

Primary former will be 1.5 inch and secondary former will be 3.50 inch dia.

If in a room we have 1000 tuning forks of identical frequency and one of them is vibrated with some input energy, the rest 999 will also vibrate and produce more cumulative sound output compared to the one which we are vibrating.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Best,



Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 15, 2014, 03:58:22 AM
I got this -trumpet-wineglass- wave form from a setup I messed with or is it a swordfish or a sailfish wave form  ;D The secondaries were grounded by the center tap and there was no real load, I had a Gas discharge tube between the secondaries hot ends, the secondaries were tuned by a 3 nF capacitor across both. The no load situation is why the waveform increases in amplitude I think. I see nothing O.U. about it. A load would soon put an end to the increasing amplitude wave form I think.

Don Smith tuned his secondaries with capacitors as well, look at the pictures. And my coils are both wound the same way, just as Don Smith described. Not opposite, as he never mentioned that. He even described how he made his coils from one longer coil, which means they are both wound the same way.

Video of wine glass-trumpet wave form ( Sailfish is a better description of what I see.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjuE91-qXu0

Try it and see.

P.S scope probe is hanging in free air about 12 inches from the secondaries, in no particular orientation, I think it was closer to one side than the other.

..
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 04:29:55 AM
Farmhand,

I saw 2 spark gaps in your video, spark plug was for the primary I believe, where was the second one, tube type, connected and why ? I could not find that in the market at all. What is that and where originally its used ?
What is its function in your circuit ?

I read 123 page Don Smith pdf and made notes. Which circuit you have used ?

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 04:35:09 AM
Here is a good help while tuning the coils
 :)
http://radio-timetraveller.blogspot.in/2011_12_01_archive.html

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 04:48:02 AM
The primary in dons device acts as a tuned radio antenna and secondary as tuned radio reciever IMHO, if we somehow cancell the electrical part of the transmitted waveform and recieve only the magnetic component of the waveform to induce our multiple secondaries in close viscinity of 1/4 of the wavelegth.

What would be the result ? Any thoughts ?

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 15, 2014, 04:54:37 AM
That the second spark gap is between the secondary "hot" ends, it is a 2000 volt Gas Discharge Tube and I put it there to check the output voltage, as we can see the GDT discharges only once with every discharge of the primary spark gap.

The circuit is simply two 20 Turn secondaries joined to make a grounded center tap with the primary between, this makes one secondary side negative while the other side is positive, the two secondaries are ground potential in the middle and opposite alternating potentials at the ends, I tuned the primary and it's capacitance to the same frequency as each of the secondaries separately, I think or a harmonic, it was a while ago. I still have the setup on it's wooden frame, and I will use it for other experiments.

I am aware of how to tune things to resonance. It's actually quite easy.

Here is a 1 minute run of my over 700 khz Tesla transformer, it has only about 220 turns in the secondary and extra coils together and one primary turn 360 mm in diameter the secondary is 360 mm in diameter and the extra coil is about 120 mm in diameter. The power is restricted primary side and secondary side, the break rate of the rotary gap can go to well over 1000 BPS but works best at about 400 which is when the resonant charging circuit is in tune. Max input power is about 680 Watts, but I rarely use that much. I plan to remove the primary power restriction soon. I'll post the supply circuit for the Tesla coil soon.

Tesla coil 1 minute run, over 700 Khz res frequency. A bit high for a sparking coil. I vary the break rate during the run and we can see the rope type discharge is quite powerful and happens a certain break rates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg

Just have a look at the thread here http://www.overunity.com/13935/tesla-coil-build-comparison-proof-of-ability/#.UyPPb_mSwls

Tinsel is a lot more knowledgeable than me so I take it easy so I stay alive.  ;D Very dangerous is one way to describe these activities and experiments.

..
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dieter on March 15, 2014, 05:16:15 AM
Basicly Smith says, you can clone the receiver of wireless energy transmission without to draw more energy from the transmitter. Hi Voltage and Hi Frequency is required. Resonance prevents usual RF losses. Basicly you need a couple of identical tesla coils, one is the transmitter, surrounded by a ring of receivers. Sounds easy to me.


Speaking of sparks, there may be more things going on than mainstream theories say about it. For example the back emf has a higher voltage and so a sparkgap may show two sparks simultanously, the red one (fwd) and the blue (back emf spark), visually mixing to a violet color. However, you can block the back emf with diodes. But what is really interesting about it is his pulling force... imagine the sticky electrons at the other end of the circuit, when the back emf hits, then they will be stressed enormously. Plausible is, that you can pull electrons from the ground this way. All I know is, when I tried that with my 3V mosquito zapper sparkgap and ground, it destroyed my digital voltmeter after it showed some insane ampere readings...
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 15, 2014, 05:38:37 AM
All the attempts to replicate that claimed effect by Don Smith indicate that the input to the transmitter always exceeds the output of all receivers. Several were done and shown the the Don Smith thread on the EF forum. As far as I know all of the attempts showed the available output was shared between the receivers and was less in total than the input to the transmitter. I fail to see how such a setup could show more EDIT: "Energy" received than is transmitted.

The only thing Don showed was that multiple receivers could output the same power as one receiver, no input power (real power) was stated. Nor was the output power, he just showed it lighting NE 2 neons.

If you have the time you can watch this video belowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI (http://video below http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI) of two receivers with outputs and one transmitter using a small input power. Input was still more than output combined. But this was grounded receivers Don showed "floating" receivers, basically just four identical coils one powered the others lighting neons which in my opinion prooved nothing much at all. The power required to light up one neon is tiny as can be seen in my video.

One transmitter two receivers. 17 minutes long. Some mumbling, these video's of mine were not produced for any other reason than to show other like minded people, I never expected to show them to convince anyone of anything. People have free minds to use as they please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI

Just how I see it.

Cheers
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 06:46:16 AM
Dieter and farmhand,

Thanks 4 the replies.

● Back emf of the primary can be put to use by using a bifilar pancake primary coil, instead of blocking it with diodes. I just got 30 5408 diodes for the experiment but will use a bifilar for the primary. What do you guys think about it ?

● Instead of using the bifi in primary as one coil, we will split into two pancakes, one on top and the other on bottom, centre of top is connected to outer end of bottom panacke and centre of bottom and outer end of top become input.

● Secondary coils : Suppose we use 3 secondary coils, each in bifilar pancake configuration for pickup. There three pickup coils are sandwitched between the two split primaries.

● The primary and pickups have same resonant frequency, as per our design.

● After each pickup we have the same resonant step down trafo connected with bridge rectifier and dc caps to get the DC out.

● These 3 dc outs are connected in parallel go get higher current output at the fixed dc voltage.

● Instead of only 3 we can use 4,5,6 or more and see if the combined ouput increases with addition of each pickup.
   The pancake setup allows many pick up coils within the small space between two outer secondaries and keeps the     
    EMF well within reach of the pickups.

● We keep on adding pickups till output increase input.

★★  What do you say guys  ? Where do we use earth connection in this setup to pull extra charge ?

Please comment on each point separately.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 07:06:32 AM
 :)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 07:09:30 AM
. Since we are using back emf also, the output must be more than input. We are using energy of one kick but getting output of two kicks. These two kicks generate obviously bigger kicks in pickups, which inturn return part of kicks back to primary and their mutual kung fu at resonance decreases the input and increases the output. 
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 09:01:03 AM
What happened guys ?  8)

Everyone fell silent after a burst of posts and vdo's. !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 09:24:47 AM
Ok, I am posting a schematic of what I just said in my last post.

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 06:13:58 PM
A RUSSIAN NAMED RUSLAN MADE A FREE ENERGY DEVICE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIf9SZS0HF0
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dieter on March 16, 2014, 12:06:25 AM
Hi, I was busy winding...


Sounds good. So you can see if there is any gain byh says  additional receivers. Farmhand denies, I don't know, Smith says yes.


When I said blocking, I meant redirect to to some work. Maybe we should clearify something. The term "back EMF" is often used, but not everybody means the same by it. There is A:
Back electromagnetic pulse. This is electrical.
The pulse given by a collapsing field. It flows in reverse polarity and is a short and strong kick. The more immediately the fwd current stops, the higher this kick is.
Even with no coil this pulse can be seen, eg. when you disconnect a high voltage, it may try to maintain the connection by building large sparks during disconnection. And B:


The back electromotive force (this is magnetic) that is basicly Selfinductance of the induced secondary. The magnetism in the core induces a current in the secondary, but that current also causes magnetism in the core, but in the reverse polarity, reducing the efficiency of the primary in common transformers. The approach of preventing this counter force is often named "Lenz-less".


So I was talking about the first one. You should know that regarding to "accepted theories" there is no unknown source of this back emp, but it is the stored inductance in the circuit, stored as magnetic field, even around a single wire, but esp. in a coil. When you turn on the circuit, it takes some time until the coils have built their field. On the other hand, it  takes also a while until they are demagnetized after turning the circuit off.
However, the high accelleration that is a special feature of the back emp may be used somehow.


You may see Ground as the positive electrode during the back emp, and the circuit as ground. The stepup circuit must have an other ground, some Meters away at least.


Something like
+ ---o  o---eeeee---|<---bemfLoad-----Ground2
- ----fwdLoad---|


So the fwd circuit is sparkgap, storage coil, fwdLoad, ground1, the bemf circuit is then Ground2(+)  bemfload, diode, coil, sparkgap, stepup transformer. By allowing the bemf to flow back to the transformer, you draw less energy from there. Just make sure there ain't no semiconductors that cannot handle the spikes (easily 4 times the fwd voltage)  .


BTW a couple of 1kV diodes (standard si diodes) in series can act as HV diode, tho due to the bemf spikes, you need 5 in a 1kV setup. I used to fry several single ones due to the bemf in fwd voltage of about 900V...




BTW. DONT USE MAINS GROUND OR WATERTAP FOR GROUND2!!! the high voltage may jump right to the hot wire in mains grid, since you "draw" HV using your bemf high tension. Instead use a big metal piece in or on the ground as "ground2".
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 16, 2014, 01:52:33 AM
When the primary is tuned to resonance (with a tank circuit) the coil discharge (or what some call the back emf) is incorporated into the "sine like" wave form, as in my feedback oscillator which is not a true Armstrong oscillator in the way it behaves, most feedback oscillators I see for TC operation produce spikes on the primary, mine makes a "sine like" wave form (at full resonant frequency), as can be seen in the video with 12 volts input the primary can have up to 150 volts across it and it has very little DC resistance, the oscillating current is also quite high, this is "Activity" the uAmp meter is a field detector when the primary current is higher the meter is higher when it drops the meter drops. The regular supply amp meter doesn't change much. With less than 5 Watts input we can get hundreds of Watts of oscillating power (or Activity), which is not output, it stays in the system and is built up in a short period of time.

It works like this - the circuit runs from DC pulses, the mosfet has a capacitor across it, so when the primary discharges it fills the capacitor and that causes it to discharge back through the primary the other way, but due to the L/C of the primary and the capacitor the discharge coincides with the resonant frequency of the transformer secondary, the transformer secondary also reapplies it's oscillating power to the primary if it is possible but none goes back to the supply so no actual reactive power, only oscillating power, that is not output. See wave form below, it's the best screen grab I could get from the video. The primary is 10 turns of 1 mm wire so primary resistance is not much. 

There is nothing free about the coil discharge (or what some call back emf) and just to note ! Counter emf is developed to oppose the flow of current in real time (at the same time) as the input current flows in the coil, I consider back emf to be the same as counter emf, the energy released from the magnetic field of the coil is the discharging of the coil as opposed to the charging of the coil, nothing to do with counter emf or back emf in my opinion. The energy released from the coil when it discharges is provided by the supply as the coil is charged, it is input by us. Not free.

And just for the record I did not deny anything, I just said that all indications showed that any amount of receivers cannot receive more energy than is transmitted, that would be like saying the receiver manufactured energy.  :)

Cheers

P.S. Wave form in yellow shows coil discharge is incorporated into the primary "sinus like" wave form. And voltage across the primary peak to peak.

2nd P.S. I can use that Oscillator to "silence" a "Band"  of the radio broadcast at 840 Khz in my local area, if I tune it to do so. Which would be considered to be a bit naughty, hehehe.

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Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 03:46:50 AM
Dear dieter and famhand,

Back emf = counter emf = result of input and is definitely no free.

Think of damped waves oscillations instead of supplying the primary with a resonant (undamped wave oscillation). Damped wave oscillation gives huge explosive bursts of energy in milli/ micro/ nano seconds.

(Primary self resonance must = all secondary self resonance, for min energy consumtion or highest efficiency)

This momentary discharge by caps gives huge spikes of emf and back emf. Theses spikes of back emf are a result of energy supplied by us and are not free.

These huge spikes of back emf are successive to forward emf in every cycle.

Now here comes the exploitation of back emf : (I am theorising now, which needs validation)

Secondary 1 : Has a circuit at the output to capture almost full forward emf and feeds to a dc capacitor. The circuit is such that it doesnt capture back emf.
Secondary 2 : Has a circuit at the output to capture almost full reverse emf and feeds to another dc capacitor.this circuit is such that it doesnt capture forward emf.

In real time, first the forward emf is generated and captured almost say 95% with system losses and fed to cap.

Now the wave collapses and till its zero our cap is filled with energy of the forward wave. When the wave is collapsing forward emf dampens but simutaneously reverse emf wave amplitude increases.

Now comes the second pickup coil in picture. Second pick up coil captures only this counter emf, courtesy to the circuit connected to it and now feeds a second capacitor say with 5% system losses.


Now you have 2 caps filled up each with 95% of the inititially supplied energy say E, after the end of one cycle of emf and back emf in each completed oscillation of your damped wave oscillation.

As a result if you supplied 1 joule for creating one damped wave oscillation, you are in effect capturing 95% + 95 % by the end of one cycle. That equals 190 % total.

So input was 1 joule for each cycle but the output is 1.9 joule for each cycle.

Its upto us now how to design our output circuits of each secondary and how to design and place our primary and secondary to exploit this to our benefit.

It seems simple to think and understand to me but maybe I forgot to consider something, which may be added by you to develop on this theory or dump this theory.

This theory doesnt voilate laws of thermodynamics and there is no exotic aether involved either.

Best,





Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 04:09:29 AM
I forgot to mention that our input is pulsing DC only.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 06:44:11 AM
In the attached art Tesla probably very elusively describes turning back emf in "displacement current".

Will it lead to overunity ???  :-\ :-\ :-\

Comments please.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 16, 2014, 09:36:04 AM
I believe so.  :-\  If only somebody could explain me why Lenz law is harshing the resonance in transformer setup when primary is joined to capacitor to form tank circuit. Yes, I know that the load on secondary change mutual inductance of core, but it ONLY an EXCUSE - we don't understand it step by step and that's the REAL difference between us and the real inventors.
Judging on the patents amount there is a way to eliminating Lenz law from the device.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 09:54:46 AM
I believe so.  :-\  If only somebody could explain me why Lenz law is harshing the resonance in transformer setup when primary is joined to capacitor to form tank circuit. Yes, I know that the load on secondary change mutual inductance of core, but it ONLY an EXCUSE - we don't understand it step by step and that's the REAL difference between us and the real inventors.
Judging on the patents amount there is a way to eliminating Lenz law from the device.

You got me wrong, I want to use Lenz Law to be put to useful work. I want to add work done by my initial pulse and Lenz Law to combine and gimme higher output than input.

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jeg on March 16, 2014, 10:01:24 AM
Dear Forest
I also have the same question and i have read many opinions on this. I started to believe that the real resonance is not what we have been taught in school. At least not the OU or Lenzless resonance. For me, real resonance occurs when the resonant frequency has a harmonic that matches with the length of the wire so to make it oscillate at it's own frequency. If that happens to both primary and secondary, then we talk about Lenz law bending. To take an idea take a look at my latest approach in Radu Morisan oscillator circuit here...   

http://www.overunity.com/14197/sstc-changing-frequency-issue/15/

If this wire length/frequency relation is the same to both primary and secondary, the oscillation is constructive and not destructive which is the case in Lenz law.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 10:25:15 AM
Resonance between L1 and L2 can take place at Wavelegth, 1/2 Wavelength and 1/4 Wavelength.

For best loss less resonant effect keep frequency a bit low. About 25Khz.

Keep self inductance very high compared to capacitance of the L1 and L2 both. Your radiating losses shall be minimised to 5% if you follow the above.

Think think.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: DilJalaay on March 16, 2014, 10:46:42 AM
DonSmith Chines replication, by Mr.Tang.



Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 01:09:20 PM
DON SMITH WAS NOT A FAKE
;D ;D ;D

here is the proof :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MbtkAm5_J0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BsQxIoiwzg
http://youtu.be/4tHMtfbLBYQ

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 01:23:52 PM
DON SMITH WAS NOT A FAKE
;D ;D ;D

here is the proof :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MbtkAm5_J0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MbtkAm5_J0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BsQxIoiwzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BsQxIoiwzg)
http://youtu.be/4tHMtfbLBYQ (http://youtu.be/4tHMtfbLBYQ)
this is just half wave or full wave rectification,   this in it self does not prove he was not a fake, this is not free energy, 
if you dont understand ,  put a tin foil on a neon lamp or just an energy saving lamp, and connect a half or full wave rectifier and a caoacitor to the output and watch the voltage rise in the capacitor.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 02:11:46 PM
this is just half wave or full wave rectification,   this in it self does not prove he was not a fake, this is not free energy, 
if you dont understand ,  put a tin foil on a neon lamp or just an energy saving lamp, and connect a half or full wave rectifier and a caoacitor to the output and watch the voltage rise in the capacitor.

Replication of one of his experiments does raise some hope. How much power that youtube plasma tube might be using afterall. It shows charging a cap by induction. And electrostatic systems have a COP of 2 minus system losses.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 16, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
Right, but where to buy such plasma tube ?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 02:17:21 PM
Alibaba.com and 40 thieves  ;D ;D
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 03:17:52 PM
http://youtu.be/2JxunfyhtFI
http://youtu.be/ZNbZNlX4c94

Njoy,

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
http://youtu.be/GMPBJcGyO5I

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Replication of one of his experiments does raise some hope. How much power that youtube plasma tube might be using afterall. It shows charging a cap by induction. And electrostatic systems have a COP of 2 minus system losses.
that plasma is about 6-10 watts / hour,  it shows charging a cap by rectification of high voltage,   Electrostatic systems do not have cop 2 minus losses,   more like they are less than 70 % efficient.

i have done a very high power one before , 
see my video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpTeEP6zi0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpTeEP6zi0)

i made a version of this high voltage power rectifier where i could light up a 500 watt lightbulb to exploding brightness every 5 seconds.  only with 12 watts an hour input power.
The way you can do it is high voltage speed diodes and high voltage high capacitance capacitors,  the more you connect in series the more concentrated the power gets in them , and you get shorter and shorter but higher energy outputs,  in a very short period of time,  but very short rectification recovery time
But this is still not Overunity my friend ....  very very far from that
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 04:21:16 PM
Energia9,

I watched the video, interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. Input was 11.8 watts and did you repeat the experiment with many caps in series and bothered to measure the output as recitified dc after smoothening it and connected to a load.

I really appreciate your experiment but you left it half the way. Why not complete it and test input vs output.

Best,

Ps. If you get ou, please dont forget to share with us. ;D
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
Here is the Japanese version of ds device.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 05:03:19 PM
i measured how much current and voltage flew from the capacitors every 5 seconds when my 500 watt bulb lit to full,   it was 400V at 100 ampers, but for a fraction of a milisecond, thats why i was able to even damage 100 watt lightbulbs connected in series, the power goes up so high but just for a fraction of a milisecond at discharge,   when i connected a transformer in series with my bulb,  the transformer of course gave a very big humming noise, and i even damaged one.   
this thing is very dangerous btw,   touching 400V  at 100 ampers even in a fraction of a second can stop your heart.
if i would have time of a second worth of 400V at 100 ampers at discharge , i could light up  40 Kilowatts theorytically,  but i would need to scale up the  input to 90 watts,  and my number of capacitors would need to be 480 pieces in series.   so with this i could light forty thousand watts worth of lamps for just a fraction of a second.     but it would look as if it was lit for 1.5 seconds,   because it lights up, then it takes half a second to dim down.
dont play with this very dangerous.   
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 16, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
 :-\  Very high explosive burst from the caps 40,000 watts in one nano second. It can melt a screwdriver if used to short the caps.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: DilJalaay on March 16, 2014, 06:57:34 PM
ya i was blind and deaf for an hour for doing that... ;D
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 06:11:36 AM
★ I watched ds video of 2001 conf. He said that if you create a rippling magnetic field then you can tap it unlimited number of times. Was he true in saying that, what you all think ?

★★ Its like saying, take an induction cooktop of 1000 watts and place 10 pancake coils over it and take out 10,000 watts from an input of just 1000 watts, assuming each coil is resonant with the cooktop coil, also assuming no system losses.

★★★ Seems to good to be true.

Farmhand, dieter, forest, energia9... please reply. What does your best hunch and gut feel says about it.

To me it seems very funny. At the most you can place one coil over cooktop and take out max. 900 watts output. I have seen some video on it but only witha single coil as output. It was called GEGENE in the video. Let me search and I will post a link here soon.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 06:30:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgifXEOYx_U by Jean Lui Naudin of JLN LABS

Input from the grid was some 1150 watts while output was some 1900 watts.  ???

Measurement error or what ?

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 06:35:56 AM
Here are the video shots of input and output.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 17, 2014, 06:36:43 AM
★ I watched ds video of 2001 conf. He said that if you create a rippling magnetic field then you can tap it unlimited number of times. Was he true in saying that, what you all think ?

★★ Its like saying, take an induction cooktop of 1000 watts and place 10 pancake coils over it and take out 10,000 watts from an input of just 1000 watts, assuming each coil is resonant with the cooktop coil, also assuming no system losses.

★★★ Seems to good to be true.

Farmhand, dieter, forest, energia9... please reply. What does your best hunch and gut feel says about it.

To me it seems very funny. At the most you can place one coil over cooktop and take out max. 900 watts output. I have seen some video on it but only witha single coil as output. It was called GEGENE in the video. Let me search and I will post a link here soon.

Best,
Woopy (Laurent) on this forum did quite a bit of work with the Gegene. He seemed to move on from it though.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 06:41:40 AM
@jimboot,

Please watch and comment on JLN video I posted and the scope measured COP of 1900/1150.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 17, 2014, 06:56:08 AM
Here are the video shots of input and output.

Best,

In my honest opinion, and going by my own experience with energy meters, I can say they do not read the input to some devices correctly especially HF devices which cause noise on the supply lines, it glitches the meters due to the transients I think. I placed an energy meter to measure the input to my Big Tesla coil without any line filters between the meter and the MOT supply circuit, it told me all kinds of stuff, then it died, an extreme example, however after using two line filters and Power Factor correcting the MOT's and ensuring there was no sparking to the circuit ground by the spark gap, I get stable and accurate readings from different energy meters, they tell me it runs with a PF or over 0.90.
And the input is coherent with the calculated input. Whereas before I took the above measures to minimize the Noise on the lines the meter always showed smaller than actual input values, due I guess to computation errors as a result of the electrical noise on the supply lines. 

I can only say that if it were OU it would be lighting up the internet by now. My guess is the actual input is different to the measured input by the energy meter or the calculated output are incorrect. AC power measurement can be complex, especially when dealing with non sinusoidal wave forms. Meters have flaws. The input and output would need to be determined by a thorough power analysis.

I would be more inclined to believe the input measured is correct if he showed that he has line filters between the energy meter and the Device Under Test.

Cheers
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
@farmhand, Jln is another disinpho agent, in tom a$$h0l3 beardens meg also jln showed overunity.

Farmhand, am asking you in specific now. What if we place 5 bifilar pancake coils over the cooktop ? All powering their own 1000 watt loads. And we set the input of cooktop to 1000 watts.

Can you please throw some light on this. My @$$ is itching badly to buy a cooktop and make 5 bifi pacakes, but before I invest time and resources in it, I want to be doubly sure of what I am doing.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 17, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
My response : if Google , "do you think that you can build home using Sunlight ?" I think you would agree :  That's the kind of statements being totally b*it....,right ?? OR
Somebody said something he cound't say openly ?
How about building home using laser to cut wood fast and precise ? More convincing, right ?


That's the same about Don Smith statements. I beleive he was in contact with group having real OU devices, so please consider that he said very indirect tips.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 17, 2014, 09:08:48 AM
Hi Google - saying that makes me giggle - as I own an SEO Company.


This is from one of Laurent's vids - its all in French but description (below) is in English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSqHwMabmmw


Hi all[/font]Sorry but this time i made the video in french.I explain in the video that i testeds the vGEGENE with a lot of different secondary coils, and when i tested the small 12 cm diameter coils that are intended for my small induction plate GEGENE , but on on my big Tristar induction plate, i got powerfull result also.So a pancake coil of a smaller diameter than the induction coil seems to work very well. And wonder why ??So i scratch my head and i made this theory proposal, which is only my affabulation good or not , but i dare to present here to you.Would it be possible , that we get an analogy between airflow That i know quite well ) and the flux of a magnetic field.So the idea would be that ,:First , we put the secondary coil outer diameter, smaller than the outer diameter of the induction coil and the secondary inner diameter larger than the inner diameter of the induction coil,so we get a part of the induction coil (outer and inner ) free to produce a magnetic field which is not submitted to Lenz law , because it suffer no charge at all and is for that reason very free and light to alternate with great speed because no work to do.And in the same time , the flux in the middle of the induction coil, is working hard , battling in the pancake secondary against Lenz and his army, to produce power to animate the load. And the idea is , as per analogy to aerodynamic would it be possible that those "FREE lenz " outboard magnetic field coul help the working one to do the job easier ????=?OK please forgive me , but this is the beginning of a very hard year and we have to try to think more trhan usual , OUT OF THE BOXGood luck at alllaurent
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 10:03:52 AM
A simple question to all.

A bifi pancake coil lying on top of cooktop and connected to a load equal to power input of cooktop, will it suck the entire magnetic field of the cooktop coil ?

Or will the magnetic field will be intact and we can place another identical bifi pancake coil on top of first secondary and power an equal load with it, same as first ?

Brainstorm and reply please.

I didnt see any youtube video, doing this so far.

Best,

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 10:12:54 AM
This is what I am saying.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 17, 2014, 10:38:01 AM
A simple question to all.

A bifi pancake coil lying on top of cooktop and connected to a load equal to power input of cooktop, will it suck the entire magnetic field of the cooktop coil ?

Or will the magnetic field will be intact and we can place another identical bifi pancake coil on top of first secondary and power an equal load with it, same as first ?

Brainstorm and reply please.

I didnt see any youtube video, doing this so far.

Best,
What about daily chain several cooktops
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 10:40:43 AM
Watch this and read the comment by dkdyker in the comments section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gtdajzaJ0w

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 10:41:52 AM
What about daily chain several cooktops

What is daily chain several cooktops ???

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 17, 2014, 10:56:16 AM
Have one cooktop run several in series if you like, from pancake coils. Depending of course on the frequency of the ac from the pancakes. Be an interesting experiment though.



Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 17, 2014, 11:37:56 AM
Hi Google - saying that makes me giggle - as I own an SEO Company.


This is from one of Laurent's vids - its all in French but description (below) is in English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSqHwMabmmw


Hi all[/font]Sorry but this time i made the video in french.I explain in the video that i testeds the vGEGENE with a lot of different secondary coils, and when i tested the small 12 cm diameter coils that are intended for my small induction plate GEGENE , but on on my big Tristar induction plate, i got powerfull result also.So a pancake coil of a smaller diameter than the induction coil seems to work very well. And wonder why ??So i scratch my head and i made this theory proposal, which is only my affabulation good or not , but i dare to present here to you.Would it be possible , that we get an analogy between airflow That i know quite well ) and the flux of a magnetic field.So the idea would be that ,:First , we put the secondary coil outer diameter, smaller than the outer diameter of the induction coil and the secondary inner diameter larger than the inner diameter of the induction coil,so we get a part of the induction coil (outer and inner ) free to produce a magnetic field which is not submitted to Lenz law , because it suffer no charge at all and is for that reason very free and light to alternate with great speed because no work to do.And in the same time , the flux in the middle of the induction coil, is working hard , battling in the pancake secondary against Lenz and his army, to produce power to animate the load. And the idea is , as per analogy to aerodynamic would it be possible that those "FREE lenz " outboard magnetic field coul help the working one to do the job easier ????=?OK please forgive me , but this is the beginning of a very hard year and we have to try to think more trhan usual , OUT OF THE BOXGood luck at alllaurent

The reason for this effect could be that the magnetic field of a spiral coil comes out of both sides of the hole or the core piece in the center and expands as it gets further from the coil, ie. it looks kinda like a pair of inverted cones, near the outer diameter the field is weak. So a smaller spiral coil would be cut by more of the imaginary field lines than a bigger one, or one the same size as the cooker has. Also some high end induction cookers work at higher frequencies so they can heat even low or non magnetic cookware, from what I can gather, it's possible these could be air cored coils in the high end cookers that work at higher frequencies, and the magnetic field might be bigger in size or different shape.

Someone posted a model of what the spiral coil field actually looks like but I can't find it.

Cheers

What would be interesting is if a single layer solenoid was placed on the cooker, or maybe several of different diameters and heights. I have an induction cooker I use often for cooking hahaha (who would have thunk it) Cooking with a cooker, it works quite well. ;D

.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
The reason for this effect could be that the magnetic field of a spiral coil comes out of both sides of the hole or the core piece in the center and expands as it gets further from the coil, ie. it looks kinda like a pair of inverted cones, near the outer diameter the field is weak. So a smaller spiral coil would be cut by more of the imaginary field lines than a bigger one, or one the same size as the cooker has. Also some high end induction cookers work at higher frequencies so they can heat even low or non magnetic cookware, from what I can gather, it's possible these could be air cored coils in the high end cookers that work at higher frequencies, and the magnetic field might be bigger in size or different shape.

Someone posted a model of what the spiral coil field actually looks like but I can't find it.

Cheers

What would be interesting is if a single layer solenoid was placed on the cooker, or maybe several of different diameters and heights. I have an induction cooker I use often for cooking hahaha (who would have thunk it) Cooking with a cooker, it works quite well. ;D

Are you actually using the overunity cooktop ? Please say so clearly. There are many people already on the forum talking in  riddles.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 17, 2014, 12:09:46 PM
No i'm not talking in riddles, if I had what I though was OU I would say so. Don't worry about that, And I am trying a few things when I can. But not with the cooker, I just thought that because of the field shape a single layer solenoid like a "Tesla coil" might be interesting as compared to using another spiral coil.

...
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 12:25:08 PM
Watch this : http://vidoz.com.ua/video/cnMBX2jeTob.html

Suppose we take the induction cooktop's original coil out and connected a bifi coil in its place and kept this coil outside of the cooktop.

Our new bifi must match the impedence of the original coil of cooktop, so that the cooktop electronics does not get fried.

Now, as we know a bifi produces a much stronger magnetic field.

We place two identical bifi pancake coils, one above the input coil and the other below it.

We should now definitely get overunity output from this arrangement.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
No i'm not talking in riddles, if I had what I though was OU I would say so. Don't worry about that, And I am trying a few things when I can. But not with the cooker, I just thought that because of the field shape a single layer solenoid like a "Tesla coil" might be interesting as compared to using another spiral coil.

...

Or maybe 8 secondaries, silmilar in shape, cylidrical, like tesla coil secondaries, resonant with the spiral of cooktop coil, plcaed vertically on top of cooktop in a symitrical fashion, with one in centre and 7 surrouding it circularly.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 17, 2014, 12:45:05 PM
Let me clear a bit of a thing here, and i did not suck this from my finger...

You can never get more energy out from several coils that resonate at the same frequency.
You can not get the same amount of energy from them all at once.
thats just blabber from the side of donald smith,  he does not know what he says on many occasions...

nor you can have more output or wierd anomalies from a bifiliar coil,  a bifiliar coil is nothing special either.  Just because it has parasitic capacitance.
please dont call me names for telling the truth.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
Let me clear a bit of a thing here, and i did not suck this from my finger...

You can never get more energy out from several coils that resonate at the same frequency.
You can not get the same amount of energy from them all at once.
thats just blabber from the side of donald smith,  he does not know what he says on many occasions...

nor you can have more output or wierd anomalies from a bifiliar coil,  a bifiliar coil is nothing special either.  Just because it has parasitic capacitance.
please dont call me names for telling the truth.

We all are in search of truth, however harsh it may be, I dont mind. Watch this please, free energy device from GTA1183.
Is this a fake ?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efEgXnFxvJ4

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 01:14:49 PM
We all are in search of truth, however harsh it may be, I dont mind. Watch this please, free energy devicehttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AKS1RYDtMacfrom GTA1183.
Is this a fake ?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efEgXnFxvJ4

Best,

I think you may be right as in this video Jon Abel shows 2 bifi placed on top of cooktop increases energy draw by cooktop and also dims the lightbulbs connected to the first bifi.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AKS1RYDtMac

What a disappointment ! But now we know DS didnt reveal the whole truth, so no point following his work, as told by him publically in his videos and websites.

Wondering why make fool of people by showing fake devices ?

I dont want to call names to a dead man.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 17, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
We all are in search of truth, however harsh it may be, I dont mind. Watch this please, free energy device from GTA1183.
Is this a fake ?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efEgXnFxvJ4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efEgXnFxvJ4)

Best,
people get fooled very easily.
the reason why these "inventors" are affraid to stand out is the reason why they are liars.
im sad too that this world is full of foolsters that are like parasites.
some see that im talking against my self that i still believe that some form of alternative energy machine does exist. (this is the reason im still talking on this forum)
But i know it as fact that 95% of people who claim are just attention seekers.

my view on a machine that could give us power.
be it simple.
if tesla really made breakthrough,  just think if there were any transistors, diodes, or any other fancy components were available.

He had iron, copper and capacitors. at the time he could have made a device like that with his calculations.
and if there is truly a machine like that in existence,  i know it can be very simple,
all significant inventions employing the laws of nature were all based on very simple concepts
if it is possible.   this is based on a simple concept too.
definately.   just look into nature.  its all there. simple.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
people get fooled very easily.
the reason why these "inventors" are affraid to stand out is the reason why they are liars.
im sad too that this world is full of foolsters that are like parasites.
some see that im talking against my self that i still believe that some form of alternative energy machine does exist.
But i know it as fact that 95% of people who claim are just attention seekers.

100 % agreed.

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 01:37:47 PM
100 % agreed.

DS BS chapter closes now.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: DilJalaay on March 17, 2014, 02:22:20 PM
Ok. let forget who is BS and who is not.


Sandeep, lets try to use our brain.


Lets think how a simple generator works, a magnet (Field) passing or cutting the bunch of series winding, generating some AC(Alternating Current). If our prime mover rotating the shaft 50 or 60 C.P.S then we generate an AC of 50 or 60Hz. Lets say it gives us a power of 100w.


Now what if we rotate it at much higher CPS. lets say 100 or 120Hz, then what will be the power? Ofcource it will double.


Can we imagine how magnet field cutting the generator wires, and can we not make a solid state generator which do the same job, without moving moving part, and with higher frequency.


I think there is possibility to do that.


Lets start our own brain.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 02:35:05 PM
DJ,

Who says doubling the frequency will double the power output. You need to put in more work to double the frequency.

Ok, take a car audio amplifier. Connect your mobile phone to input and turn on the frequency generator on your phone. Drive your car amp with a 12 V DC accumulator.

On the output of the amplifier, attach a bifilar pancake coil with minimum 8 ohms impedance so that you dont fry your amplifier.

Now make 2 non bifilar pancake coils equal in diameter to your transmitting coil.

Place one on top and one on bottom of the transmitting coil.

Measure the totol input vs output of system at different frequencies between 1 hz to 20000 hz. Plot a graph of output power/ input power vs frequency.

Share the results. Simple ?

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jeg on March 17, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
DJ,
 You need to put in more work to double the frequency.

Perhaps this sentence hides or reveals the 'secret'. I already described you a way to raise 10 times the frequency or even more, with the same input power. Think more about it.
http://www.overunity.com/14197/sstc-changing-frequency-issue/msg393154/#new

Tnks Jeg
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 02:52:31 AM
Thanks Jeg,

DJ has a good idea.

BUT, lets recall what Tesla said, we do not want freqency to be too high, so that we do not lose power in form of herzian waves.

Lets keep the operating range well within the audio freuency range so that ~95% power remains in the system and not lost as hertzian waves.

Now DJ, its your turn to develop the idea further.

Best,

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 04:17:58 AM
How can we exploit this patent to get overunity ?

http://rpmgt.org/Patents_512340_593138_685012.htm#intensity

Best,
Title: COP = 6, US PATENT ???????
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 04:59:48 AM
Frank Prentice.   Electrical Engineer Frank Wyatt Prentice of the USA invented what he described as an ‘Electrical Power Accumulator’ with an output power six times greater than the input power (COP = 6).   He was granted US patent 253,765 on 18th September 1923 and which says: My invention relates to improvements in Electrical Power Accumulators, wherein the earth acting as rotor and the surrounding air as a stator, collects the energy thus generated by the earth rotating on its axis, utilises the same for power and other purposes. In the development of my Wireless Train Control System for railways, covered by my United States Letters Patent Number 843,550, I discovered that, with an antennae consisting of one wire of suitable diameter supported by insulating means three to six inches above the ground and extending one half mile, more or less in length, the said antenna being grounded at one end through a spark gap and energised at the other end by a high frequency generator of 500 Watts input power and having a secondary frequency of 500,000 Hz, would produce in the antenna an oscillatory frequency the same as that of the earth currents and thus electrical power from the surrounding media was accumulated along the length of the transmission antenna and with a closed oscillatory loop antenna 18 feet in length run parallel with the transmission antenna at a distance of approximately 20 feet it was possible to obtain by tuning the loop antennae, sufficient power to light to full power, a series bank of fifty 60 watt carbon lamps. Lowering or raising the frequency of 500,000 Hz resulted in diminishing the amount of power received on the 18 foot antenna.   Similarly, raising the transmission antenna resulted in a proportionate decrease of power picked up on the receiving antenna and at 6 feet above the earth no power at all was obtainable without a change of potential and frequency. It is the objective of my generic invention to utilise the power generated by the earth as described here, and illustrated in the drawings.   The two figures in the drawings illustrate simple and preferred forms of this invention, but I wish it understood that no limitation is necessarily made as to the exact and precise circuits, shapes, positions, and structural details shown here, and that changes, alterations and modifications may be made when desired within the scope of my invention. DESCRIPTION: In Fig.1:1 and 2 are alternating current feed wires supplying 110 volts 60 cycles to a high frequency generator.3 is a switch with poles 4 and 5.6 and 7 are connections of high frequency transformer 8 for stepping up the frequency to 500 KHz and the voltage to say 100 KV.9 is an inductance coil.10 is a spark gap.11 is a variable capacitor.12 is the primary winding of transformer 8.13 is the secondary winding of transformer 8 which is connected through wire 15 via variable capacitor 16 and wire 17 to ground 18.14 is the wire from the other side of the secondary winding of transformer 8 connecting it to the main transmission antenna 19 which is supported by insulating means 20.21 is spark gap from transmission antenna 19 to ground through wire 22, variable capacitor 23, and wire 24 to ground 24'.Transmission antenna 19 may be of any desired length. In Fig.2:25 is a closed oscillating loop antenna of any desired length, which for greatest efficiency, is run parallel with transmission antenna 19 of Fig.1.26 is the connecting lead between the antenna and step-down transformer 27 of which 27'is the secondary.28 is the lead connecting the secondary winding 27’ to ground 31 via variable capacitor 29and lead 30.32 is the primary winding of transformer 27.33 is a variable capacitor.34 and 35 are frequency transformer windings, supplying current through leads 36 and 37to motor 38, or any other power devices.OPERATION OF THE INVENTION:Close switch 3 to connect feed wires 1 and 2 to transformer leads 6 and 7.   Adjust spark-gap 10 and variable capacitor 11 so that a frequency of 500 KHz and 100 KV is delivered from secondary leads 14 and 15 of step-up transformer 8 of Fig.1.   Next adjust spark-gap 21 of transmission antenna 14 so that all nodes and peaks are eliminated in the transmission of the 100 KV and 500 KHz frequency along antenna 14.   The surges which occur, pass over gap 21 through lead 22 to variable capacitor 23 and then on to ground 24’ via lead 24. The high frequency current of 500 KHz returns through the ground, to ground connection18, up lead 17 to the variable capacitor 16 and via lead 15 to the secondary winding 13 of transformer 8 of Fig.1.   The alternating current produced by the 100 KV 500 KHz supply is the same frequency as the earth generated currents, and being in tune with them it picks up additional power from them. Being the same frequency as the output from transformer8 along wires 14, this produces a reservoir of high frequency current which can be drawn upon by a tuned circuit of the same 500 KHz frequency, as shown in Fig.2. Antenna 25 is tuned to receive a frequency of 500 KHz which produces a current that passes to lead 26 through winding 27' of transformer 27, through wire 28, variable capacitor 29 and wire 30 to ground connection 31.   The high frequency currents of 500 KHz pass through to winding 32 and by variable capacitor 33 and windings 34 and 35 of the frequency transformer 27 are stepped down to a voltage and frequency suitable to operate motor 38 via leads 36 and 37.   This makes available a current supply for any purpose whatsoever, such as the operation of aeroplanes, cars, railway trains, industrial plants, lighting, heating etc. The return of current through the earth from transmission antenna 14 is preferable to a metallic return as a higher percentage of accumulation of earth currents is noticeable on receiving antennae of Fig.2 than from a metallic return, caused by the capacitance of the grounded circuit.   I also prefer under certain conditions to use a single antenna receiving wire in place of the closed loop shown in Fig.2.   Under certain operation requirements I have found it expedient to have the transmission antenna elevated and carried on poles many feet above the earth and in that case a different voltage and frequency were found to be necessary to accumulate earth currents along the transmission antenna 14. This system of Frank’s effectively applies very sharply pulsed DC pulses to a long length of wire supported in a horizontal position not far above the ground.   The pulses are sharp due to both the spark gap on the primary side of the transformer, along with the spark-gap on the secondary (high voltage) side of the transformer.   An input power of 500 watts gives a 3 kW power output from what appears to be an incredibly simple piece of equipment.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 06:33:26 AM
I have a technical question to the electronics gurus ?

Suppose I have 2 12 volt bulbs and single dc 12 v power supply. How do I design a simple electronic circuit powered by the 12 v battery that will alternatively power each bulb, in such a manner that when bulb A has maximum brightness, bulb is fully off and vice versa in a cyclical manner. There should be no moving parts in the system.

Any help shall be highly appreciated.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: havuhung on March 18, 2014, 07:48:24 AM
Hi Google,

I'm not sure is true with your desired questions.  I can think of an electronic circuit:  Single multi-harmonic oscillator stability, if the bulb is of large capacity required a buffer transistor.

 Regards


Title: wRe: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 08:37:31 AM
Hi, thanks for replying.

What I am asking is as follows :

1. We have one 12V DC accumulator say 7Ah.
2. We have two 12V DC 22 Watt identical bulbs.
3. We have a circuit "X" which has input wires connected to 12V accumulator.
4. Our circuit "X" has 4 output wires, each set of two going to each 12V/22W bulb.

We want our circuit X to be made in such a way that it cyclically powers bulbs one after the other. And we should be able to control the speed of the cycles.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: gyulasun on March 18, 2014, 10:31:32 AM
Hi Google,

Basically you need an astable multivibrator. See this link but you have to use transistors able to handle the 22W bulbs current taken from 12V battery.  Also, resistors R1 and R4 should be omitted, they are current limitiers for the LEDs when transistors are ON.

http://www.next.gr/oscillators/astable/astable-multivibrator-with-two-led-l8272.html (http://www.next.gr/oscillators/astable/astable-multivibrator-with-two-led-l8272.html)

Gyula

PS if you search by google with words ' astable multivibrator '  you will have tons of explanations and schematics.

Title: Re: wRe: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Hi, thanks for replying.

What I am asking is as follows :

1. We have one 12V DC accumulator say 7Ah.
2. We have two 12V DC 22 Watt identical bulbs.
3. We have a circuit "X" which has input wires connected to 12V accumulator.
4. Our circuit "X" has 4 output wires, each set of two going to each 12V/22W bulb.

We want our circuit X to be made in such a way that it cyclically powers bulbs one after the other. And we should be able to control the speed of the cycles.

Best,

See attachment for circuit to alternate two 12 volt globes. The inverter circuit I modified to get the drawing attached is the 8th schematic down using the CD4047 as the oscillator chip. One wire from each bulb is connected to the 12 volt rail and the other is switched alternately through the two mosfet switches, a CD4047 drives the mosfets just fine at lower frequencies. The 1K resistors to the mosfet gates is not exactly how I would do it, I would remove those and drive direct from the CD4047 outputs to the mosfet gates and place a 2k - 10 k resistor from the gate to the ground to ensure the mosfets turn right off.

8th circuit down on this page is the one I modified to get the circuit attached. Don't be concerned with using mosfets they are great for switches.
http://circuit-zone.com/?cat=AC_DC_Inverters

Cheers
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
Thanks a ton farmhand and gyulason.  ;D :D

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
Tesla was an electrical genious but he wrote his patents very elusively. Till we try replicating them, we wont get the underlying meaning of the term "Complex currents", that he has frequently used in his patents.   ;)


Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
I made a typo in my last post, I meant to writ 2k - 10k resistor from gate to ground.

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Title: Re: wRe: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 12:28:32 PM
See attachment for circuit to alternate two 12 volt globes. The inverter circuit I modified to get the drawing attached is the 8th schematic down using the CD4047 as the oscillator chip. One wire from each bulb is connected to the 12 volt rail and the other is switched alternately through the two mosfet switches, a CD4047 drives the mosfets just fine at lower frequencies. The 1K resistors to the mosfet gates is not exactly how I would do it, I would remove those and drive direct from the CD4047 outputs to the mosfet gates and place a 2k - 10 k resistor from the gate to the ground to ensure the mosfets turn right off.

8th circuit down on this page is the one I modified to get the circuit attached. Don't be concerned with using mosfets they are great for switches.
http://circuit-zone.com/?cat=AC_DC_Inverters

Cheers

Can it be done like as in the attached picture, without destroying the audio amplifier ? 12 v 22 w bulb resistance is roughly 6 ohms, which is more than the rated impedance of the audio amp output of minimum 4 ohms.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dieter on March 18, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
(referring to that antenna receiver patent posted by google earlier) It seems to be not that incredibly simple when you need a half mile antenna. But interesting data about the frequency. But one of the more complicated concepts to verify.


About your audio amp question, I guess that would work, but you need a stereo frequency generator for the signal input. eg. a small astabile multivibrator or however it's called again. You can do that with two little signal transistors.


I have made a program that allows to draw a waveform with the mouse and save it as WAV, then play it at desired sampling rates from 1 to 200'000hz, but unfort. the pc soundcard has a basic output mixing rate that may be a harmonic to 44100 and results in moiré patterns/distortion of nonharmonic rates. So an analogue frequency generator or flipflop seems to be superior.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
If a incandescent globe with a coiled filament is switched it produces spikes the same as any coil does ( see video below), if it's switched at the right frequency the filament will take time to "glow down" heat wise but the energy stored in the magnetic field of the coil of the filament will be released, and can be utilized. Under the right conditions it might prove to be more efficient than when the bulb is supplied straight DC or AC even, maybe. The resonant frequency of the light bulb filament coil may be altered with a capacitor, just like we can with any coil.  ;)

Light bulb filament coil discharge. Again the video is rough but I'm not expecting a nomination for a Logie award  :) (Logie is the Aussie version of a Grammy I think).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89YgQIIqUY

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Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
(referring to that antenna receiver patent posted by google earlier) It seems to be not that incredibly simple when you need a half mile antenna. But interesting data about the frequency. But one of the more complicated concepts to verify.


About your audio amp question, I guess that would work, but you need a stereo frequency generator for the signal input. eg. a small astabile multivibrator or however it's called again. You can do that with two little signal transistors.


I have made a program that allows to draw a waveform with the mouse and save it as WAV, then play it at desired sampling rates from 1 to 200'000hz, but unfort. the pc soundcard has a basic output mixing rate that may be a harmonic to 44100 and results in moiré patterns/distortion of nonharmonic rates. So an analogue frequency generator or flipflop seems to be superior.

Hey, iphone or samsung smartphone output is stereo output. We just need an android application that can generate frequencies higher than 20,000 hz.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
If a incandescent globe with a coiled filament is switched it produces spikes the same as any coil does ( see video below), if it's switched at the right frequency the filament will take time to "glow down" heat wise but the energy stored in the magnetic field of the coil of the filament will be released, and can be utilized. Under the right conditions it might prove to be more efficient than when the bulb is supplied straight DC or AC even, maybe. The resonant frequency of the light bulb filament coil may be altered with a capacitor, just like we can with any coil.  ;)

Light bulb filament coil discharge. Again the video is rough but I'm not expecting a nomination for a Logie award  :) (Logie is the Aussie version of a Grammy I think).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89YgQIIqUY

..

You are a smarty farmhand, muaaaah !!!!

Actually I want to pulse two similar coils with one sourse, so that when the magnetic field is collapsing in one, its building up in the second coil, and so on and so forth.

By setting input to resonant frequency of coils, we rotate the magnetic field very fast. At resonance the input current will fall, but we can squeeze a higher output from two output coils, without losing magnetic fields.

What say ?? No noisy spark gap, no high voltage shock risk, no radium, no thorium.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: DilJalaay on March 18, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
Just for thoughts...Sandeep.
this is what you want to do with your bulb...?
but it needs mechanical or solid switching.
16 is out put.
17 is on/off switch.
4 is 12vdc to 110/220vac inverter.
12 and 13 spark gap


14 15 electromag for spark quencing.


when one battery charge the other is on load and vice versa.
just met the Tom Bearden condition for self loop.


I never test, but i think it will work if properly tune.


P.S: instead of inverter you can use you 12vDC florocent tube driver if it can give you spark.
also you can omit spark quiching for test purpose.


in my openion, instead of 2 x 12v batteries, it should be caps.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 06:54:46 PM
Dear Dil Jalaay,

For loopback we can use zener diodes similar to found in car alternators that limit the battery charging to 14.4 volts.

But by the way if power loopback is say 20 volts at 2 amps = 40 watts, will zener diodes increase the current while reducing the output to 14 volts, like http://www.bosch-semiconductors.de/en/ubk_semiconductors/clean_economical/alternator_electronics/press_fit_diodes/press_fit_diodes.html ?

If they dont increase the current we have a big inefficiency in loopback.

I have an inherent dislike for bedini bearden quacks and will not waste time in reading them or replicating them.

Any thought ?

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 03:16:20 AM
My question to a.king21 now.

You have always been saying electrostatic systems have a COP of 2 minus system losses.

Suppose we have a radiant energy source "A". Which is emitting high electrostatic charge.

Now we surround it with many small aluminium plates places around it in a circular fashion. Each plate is connected to a hv dc cap, negative of each cap is grounded TO A SEPARATE POINT IN GROUND.

As per tesla radiant energy patent, all caps will be charged pulling the other half of charge from the ground.

And we have connected these caps in parallel using diodes for output.

Now the question. Will the cumulative charge of the caps be around 10 times more than the charge supplied by our radiant energy source, if say we have 10 caps, 10 plates and 20 diodes capturing the radiant energy ??

Will this arrangement work as overunity ?

What do experts have to say about this ??

Best,

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 19, 2014, 03:21:16 AM
If a incandescent globe with a coiled filament is switched it produces spikes the same as any coil does ( see video below), if it's switched at the right frequency the filament will take time to "glow down" heat wise but the energy stored in the magnetic field of the coil of the filament will be released, and can be utilized. Under the right conditions it might prove to be more efficient than when the bulb is supplied straight DC or AC even, maybe. The resonant frequency of the light bulb filament coil may be altered with a capacitor, just like we can with any coil.  ;)

Light bulb filament coil discharge. Again the video is rough but I'm not expecting a nomination for a Logie award  :) (Logie is the Aussie version of a Grammy I think).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89YgQIIqUY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89YgQIIqUY)

..
Bloke, the word you're looking for is Emmy not Grammy :) Grammy = ARIA awards
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 19, 2014, 03:23:58 AM
(referring to that antenna receiver patent posted by google earlier) It seems to be not that incredibly simple when you need a half mile antenna. But interesting data about the frequency. But one of the more complicated concepts to verify.


About your audio amp question, I guess that would work, but you need a stereo frequency generator for the signal input. eg. a small astabile multivibrator or however it's called again. You can do that with two little signal transistors.


I have made a program that allows to draw a waveform with the mouse and save it as WAV, then play it at desired sampling rates from 1 to 200'000hz, but unfort. the pc soundcard has a basic output mixing rate that may be a harmonic to 44100 and results in moiré patterns/distortion of nonharmonic rates. So an analogue frequency generator or flipflop seems to be superior.
Why would you need stereo? Just go double mono. A simple splitter.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:31:56 AM
A srereo amp is a double mono only. ;)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 19, 2014, 04:38:10 AM
I mean why use a stereo FG. Could be done with a single output into the amp inputs.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:42:20 AM
 :o
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 19, 2014, 05:04:21 AM
Bloke, the word you're looking for is Emmy not Grammy :) Grammy = ARIA awards

OK thanks Jim, anyway I'm no actor or film producer, none of my video's are in any way professional, and I can live with that. I was just having a dig at the name callers, if anyone was paying me they should ask for their money back based on my video and presentation efforts. It does hurt a bit to do so much experimenting only to be called a paid shill or "naysayer". Free energy is a passion of mine, it makes me sad to see all the profiteering and empty promises from so called free energy gurus that claim they are too scared to show things. I take risks in speaking out about criminality in our governments, I'm not afraid to speak out against the very people some on these forums claim I work for. I do realize they just make accusations out of frustration, immaturity or lack of logical thinking. For an Australian with a trade but unable to work in paid employment due to physical health issues, I am in a position where I have little to lose, I am not well off, I must save to buy equipment just like a lot of other folks, I'm poor too. But no man can buy my words or actions they are mine and mine alone. I can accept being labelled a skeptic, but when people accuse me so often of taking money to post what I post I must wonder are they being paid to denounce and slur people who think for themselves and educate themselves, because I at least know that no one pays me to post anything, nor could they.

I believe there are too many people on these forums for the wrong reasons, most don't have the gonads to actually accuse people by screen name and are cowards in my view, some do make direct accusations which I respect more than the gutless veiled accusations where people are indirectly slandered. In my honest opinion all accusations of people being paid shills should be made with intent and directed clearly to the person they accuse, and then the accused can defend themselves.

What I am looking for is real free energy collection methods, which have enough gain to be useful as a primary source of energy for the home and family without significant outlay and without voodoo required.

I firmly believe a lot of scammers prey on the suppression angle to allow them to be believed without any evidence, and also to cause paranoia and fear. Fear is what holds us back and fear keeps the criminals in government and fear keeps us under the biggest scam in history which is the central banking system now being spread to non conforming countries by terrorism sponsored by our own governments backed by the money controllers.

We all know this is the big problem that needs addressing before any free energy development for decentralized very cheap to utilize energy. Most here would do more good by taking to the streets and facing the bullets and batons of the Fascist Agenda purveyor's goons, who's actions and words are bought and paid for.

If the fake money system was brought down many would be free to develop real free energy methods for decentralized home power production.

Rather than free energy being seen as a national security risk, decentralization of power production should be considered as a national security must do. It is simply too easy to take down power to large sections of a country by the failure or destruction of a few facilities.

Just recently the entire city of Darwin Australia was blacked out by one switch point, most people do not have back up power, they expect the "authorities" to perform miracles and provide cheap power that is uninterruptible when they simply cannot do that. When the power goes out here my lights still burn by conventional free energy tech, solar energy collection and storage. A good place to start to become at least partially self powered or empowered.

end rant.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 19, 2014, 05:21:19 AM
Nice rant mate.
I've been thinking about the open source / patent path debate for some years now. Inevitably if an inventor does come up with something it's a helluva ask to just give it away and lose all those potential $ in time & materials you have ploughed into it.


After watching the Brian Collins video last night on Steven Marks TPU it reminded me of a project I was involved with as the "Internet Systems Expert" lets say . We had a lot of heavy hitters involved including some major contractors out of the US and former spook consultants. Any the whole thing got buried. The conversations in that video last night were about roll out and deployment to get the biggest bang for you buck.


If anyone has a project that they think has potential it seems inevitable if you go down the patent path it will be lost forever. Here's how I'd release it to the world as open source and make some good coin at the same time . Let's not forget there are plenty of ppl making a lot of $ on open source. Open Source is not a socialist concept. Given my experience in digital marketing these are my steps.


1. create a community and a buzz around that community
2. work towards a crowdfunding campaign
3. make sure you have a kickarse video
4. tell your comunity the crowd funding campaign is coming
5. perks include, building plans, kits, actual device etc.
6. Go opensource the same day the crowdfunding starts but use it as a promo to get ppl interested in the kickstarter campaign.
7. Have a nice life.

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 05:33:10 AM
Good idea Jimbbot. Another idea is to sell your plan to 10,000 buyers @ $1000 each. And you release your plan when you get advance from 10,000th buyer. So you have 10,000,000 dollars. Have a nice life.

But a kickarse video and a validation certificate from some credible sourse is a must.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 19, 2014, 06:02:22 AM
Well I must also say that I am very fortunate to have a cheap place to live with fresh clean air and water and a bit of room to do stuff when I can. I am also fortunate to not have to endure war and such, but I know suffering first hand and would like nothing more than to do my part to help those less fortunate than me. I go to the hospital and see able bodied people walk right past people struggling in wheelchairs and stuff, most are so stressed by money and time constraints they set aside their humanity and engage tunnel vision. I know a great many on these forums also think as I do.

Here is a video I like, people being kind, it's almost like counter road rage. The scene that got me was the old woman praying to make it across the street, the drivers seemed to know she would wait and so no one slowed, but when the man was there they aren't so oblivious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_PmHQXaDo

Another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDrd8ELhhvM

The rage should be unacceptable. Karma down.  ;) Be human.

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Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 19, 2014, 06:04:57 AM
I reckon you can skip a lot of the BS by going directly to the crowd with a good marketing strategy. Yep a credible source is nice but if you are asking for $100 or $200 a bunch of testimonials from ppl that are using it will work just as well and stop the academic arguments that will be inevitable whomever your credible source is. Anyway I don't have such a device so the point is moot. Just my advice to the viewers out there. Oh yeah and I'd be happy to market it at a reduced commission too!  ;D
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Jimboot on March 19, 2014, 06:07:06 AM
Well I must also say that I am very fortunate to have a cheap place to live with fresh clean air and water and a bit of room to do stuff when I can. I am also fortunate to not have to endure war and such, but I know suffering first hand and would like nothing more than to do my part to help those less fortunate than me. I go to the hospital and see able bodied people walk right past people struggling in wheelchairs and stuff, most are so stressed by money and time constraints they set aside their humanity and engage tunnel vision. I know a great many on these forums also think as I do.

Here is a video I like, people being kind, it's almost like counter road rage. The scene that got me was the old woman praying to make it across the street, the drivers seemed to know she would wait and so no one slowed, but when the man was there they aren't so oblivious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_PmHQXaDo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_PmHQXaDo)

The rage should be unacceptable. Karma down.  ;) Be human.

..
Nice one mate. Yeah this really is the lucky country. I'm in Melbourne btw. Moving down the peninsula soon with a bit of space around me and a bigger workshop :)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 19, 2014, 08:32:40 AM
and what all that has to do with Don Smith device ?  :o   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Farmhand on March 19, 2014, 08:39:10 AM
and what all that has to do with Don Smith device ?  :o   ;D ;D ;D ;D

In my opinion Don was a paid disinfo agent, top level. An agent of endless frustration for many.

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Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 19, 2014, 08:45:21 AM
In my opinion Don was a paid disinfo agent, top level. An agent of endless frustration for many.

..


In main opinion he was just in contact with exotic technology, maybe being an retired agent, he saw many in details but had no knowledge able to reconstruct them. His comments are mix of real data and a fairy stories. Some principles seems viable but all shown working models are incomplete, being just models, not prototypes.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 19, 2014, 09:32:02 AM
When donald smith talks about how his systems are able to achieve 100Kilowatt levels or at least thats what i have read from some sources,  like his plasma globe.  he does not add that its for just a fraction of a milisecond when he discharges his capacitors.
I made experiments honestly lighting 3x 100 light bulbs and a 500 watt lightbulb to absolute brightness, needed wear sunglasses, 
it was possible to light them because my output from my capacitor was in times of discharge reached 400 volts at 200 ampers ,  eighty thousand watts, but for a very fraction of a milisecond,  this lit my lamps to nearly explode,  from light up to dim down, 1.5 seconds. and my input power was only 11 watts Dc to my driving transistor.
This is no measurement error.    however this is not overunity!!, and donald smith was confused about this. 
even when tesla is talking about how many thousands of horsepowers he achieved he talks about the same idea what i did.   
he loaded hundreds of capacitors into a very high potential, and discharged them all at once in a fraction of a milisecond.
i can light up even 100 kilowatts worth of lightbulbs i just need about 500 x 400uf  450volt capacitors,  4x 20 kilovolt 100 ns diodes,  an earth ground , an input of 100 watts to my hv coil that feeds the diode bridge,  and at last some good luck not to get killed.
do not repeat what i said folks,  your life depends on one touch!  dont come crying to me.

On the pic, a transformer in series makes a deep humming noise and vibrates because of high magnetic field generated.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: From other Planet on March 19, 2014, 02:52:07 PM
In my opinion Don was a paid disinfo agent, top level. An agent of endless frustration for many.

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maybe u are right, but how to explain the succesful replications of dynatron, stoker_x1, the 2 chinese replications (ok, no measurements in both) and replications of Kurt(kdkinen, mrclean) who i am definately sure is not a disinfo agent? See also these videos of people who replicated DS stuff: http://energy.team-talk.net/f14-replication-videos (http://energy.team-talk.net/f14-replication-videos)  (think more than half NOT succesful)

Here is link to a text from a Valery Ivanov who claims to have replicated the DS also with semiconductor technology, like the 1 chinese setup (link was originally posted by T-1000):
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2F001-lab.at.ua%2Findex%2Fdonald_smit%2F0-43 (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2F001-lab.at.ua%2Findex%2Fdonald_smit%2F0-43)

However, i think in the end we will only know if we actually build lots of stuff from different people and do our own experiments. Speculating that guy or that one is disinfo agent wont lead us anywhere... you or me or we both could be disinfo agents as well...

Btw Farmhand, u and Hoppy often claim that incandescent bulbs can be brighter when powered with high frequency AC at same energyinput than they are with DC/50hz AC. U maybe have a video(link) where this is shown?

kind regards,
From other Planet
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: From other Planet on March 19, 2014, 04:08:56 PM
@energia, yes good point. Answers my last question to Farmhand partially. I must admit, i even made similar observations when discharging caps into bulbs. Though I still like them as a first quick visual indicator for power Output. Of course next step always should be to make real measurements and make a feedback loop (careful here, use fuses and voltage regulators)

I personally like to work with filtered DC on Input/Output if possible, makes measurements easier, check with scope if its really clean DC
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: From other Planet on March 19, 2014, 04:33:26 PM
This would be setup of energia9 modified for filtered DC OUTPUT: (hope its ok i modified ur schematic, if not I will delete)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: marathonman on March 19, 2014, 08:29:01 PM
I have a brand new Barker/williamson 3 inch coil for sale if any one interested.
Tesla/Smith to above my head.
pic of coil
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 19, 2014, 08:43:32 PM
energia9


You are one step from overunity, but that one step is a giant leap in time....
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: John.K1 on March 19, 2014, 09:23:00 PM
Hi Forest
Have you tried a Blinding technique on your capacitor or asymmetrical capacitor? The picture from Vladimir utkin's pdf:
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 19, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
energia9


You are one step from overunity, but that one step is a giant leap in time....
what do you think this step is? how can we step one more?

i have some ideas
Synchronisation of adding together input+output
Compensation for losses.
Delaying discharge of output to loop back to input.    ,  selflooping would short circuit because it would charge and at the same time discharge the capacitor.        charging onto a discharging capacitor upon selfloop  onto the same system causes a short circuit.
there would need be a circuit for handling this.        our answer is two capacitors and two seperate control circuits?

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: From other Planet on March 19, 2014, 11:56:55 PM
I have a brand new Barker/williamson 3 inch coil for sale if any one interested.
Tesla/Smith to above my head.
pic of coil

I am perhaps. Is it one of the Miniductor air wound coils? what part number? And how much do you want for it?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: marathonman on March 20, 2014, 02:01:32 AM
Yes it is Airdux PN 2404TL and i'll take 50 bucks, its brand new perfect condition as you can see from pic.
Also have Information unlimited 9,000 volt 60ma Transformer brand new with two 10,000 caps.
and 12 volt 7500 volt Transformer @ 30 kh.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: From other Planet on March 20, 2014, 03:21:30 AM
marathonman: ok nice, i take it. Lets discuss details via PM/mail  :)
Its late here, i go sleep now. Will send u message tomorrow

Kind regards
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 20, 2014, 07:40:35 AM
what do you think this step is? how can we step one more?

i have some ideas
Synchronisation of adding together input+output
Compensation for losses.
Delaying discharge of output to loop back to input.    ,  selflooping would short circuit because it would charge and at the same time discharge the capacitor.        charging onto a discharging capacitor upon selfloop  onto the same system causes a short circuit.
there would need be a circuit for handling this.        our answer is two capacitors and two seperate control circuits?


Start thinking clearly not deeply. What do you need to make it powering those lights continously ?

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 20, 2014, 08:22:54 AM
Energia9,

Think how can you control the rate of capacitor discharge into the bulb.

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 20, 2014, 11:02:19 AM
Forest, Google

The bulbs are only for amazement how much power can be concentrated in a capacitor.
The real work i think relies in the control circuits upon feed back.
i seriously think it wont work without it.  it dont need be complicated.
as i see in the writings of Nikola tesla, he used rather complicated rotary switches.
or i thought on the idea of a spark gap controlling low voltage ( 9v-240v), if its possible at all.
my idea is that with a plasma stream low voltage could get through, this would control infinite wattage without using and damaging any expensive transistor in the main circuit.
possible at all?
if this works at all it eliminates the need for expensive high power transistors within our main circuit, also less losses in the system.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: havuhung on March 20, 2014, 11:41:23 AM
Hi energia9,
I have a question?
DC low voltage (12V) how to keep a stable arc?




Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: From other Planet on March 20, 2014, 07:46:12 PM
@energia9

Interesting idea. I remember few weeks/months ago seeing a schematic in Selfrunning devices from TK thread, where exactly same principle was used (havnt link to it now). Problem there was, the HV wouldnt take the way across the spark gap, but through the feeding low voltage DC/low frequency AC supply (not remember exactly now) and just be shorted, so no spark....
But perhaps u can find a solution to prevent this (diodes, high inductance coils, ect.)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 06:10:08 AM
Energia9,

Try to use ultra capacitors, they discharge very slow.

Or you may hook up lead acid batteries in series with your cap in series with your load. Say your cap is rated 120 volts, just hook up 10 lead acid batteries in series with the cap and the cap will dump its charge in batts and you can power your load.

What do you think ?

Best,
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: forest on March 21, 2014, 10:20:56 AM
Forest, Google

The bulbs are only for amazement how much power can be concentrated in a capacitor.
The real work i think relies in the control circuits upon feed back.
i seriously think it wont work without it.  it dont need be complicated.
as i see in the writings of Nikola tesla, he used rather complicated rotary switches.
or i thought on the idea of a spark gap controlling low voltage ( 9v-240v), if its possible at all.
my idea is that with a plasma stream low voltage could get through, this would control infinite wattage without using and damaging any expensive transistor in the main circuit.
possible at all?
if this works at all it eliminates the need for expensive high power transistors within our main circuit, also less losses in the system.


warm warm warmier -  you need to find the way to REPEAT WHAT YOU DONE many times per second !
can you cut using sunlight ? NO, but you can using laser.... both are light waves...
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: John.K1 on March 21, 2014, 10:49:48 AM
Sun Light, Laser?   The sun emits large spectrum of wave lengths - frequencies  The laser is focused on one wave length which can be condensed. I think I do understand that analogy.

To the picture above - Sorry for my low knowledge of electricity but if I good understand right the HV transformer generates alternating current. If we put  a diode before the spark on HV wire we will get on that side discharges from only positive charge and if I put the diode between my DC source and the spark  - would that work?  Also I think discharge tube might do better = more uniform discharges in the closed / gas environment.

Based on the picture above something like this:
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 21, 2014, 11:41:22 AM

warm warm warmier -  you need to find the way to REPEAT WHAT YOU DONE many times per second !
can you cut using sunlight ? NO, but you can using laser.... both are light waves...

its hard to think how i could reproduce the same blinding brightness many times per second,  all i could do now is light the 3x 100 watt lightbulbs or 1x 500 watt lightbulb every 5-10 seconds.
to light those lights every 0.1 second  we would require about 60 watts at the input

forest do you think free energy could be attained this way?  im a skeptical but i question the impossible.  maybe im really talking against myself.

John.K1
Yes  like that and i thought putting an earth ground at the end of the coil draws the spark in that direction



Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 12:45:18 PM
Hi All,
The idea of the circuit diagram is good, but it can not work due to the DC voltage is too low!
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 21, 2014, 01:05:31 PM
Hi All,
The idea of the circuit diagram is good, but it can not work due to the DC voltage is too low!
i thought of the same, but what voltage would be sufficient to be able to break the gap with the aid of a high voltage stream?

say 200 volts?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 01:09:57 PM
Hi energia9,
I think an industrial welding equipment, can find similar applications in TIG arc welding machine. It's high voltage to start the arc initially created for electrode handles TIG arc welding machine.
But here the DC voltage to maintain the arc ~ 70 V

Regards

Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: energia9 on March 21, 2014, 01:47:16 PM
i see havuhung, but in the tig startup with high voltage follows a huge amount of current.
in this situation there isnt much current so it wont work that way.
testing testing testing.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: Stela on December 03, 2015, 09:47:15 AM
En espérant qu'un français traduise ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2u6EK-cD6g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2u6EK-cD6g)
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dezeinstein on April 25, 2016, 04:04:57 AM
Oh, it's a great pity to hear this. So I stop now tring to reconstruct Don's experiements.

But nevertheless I show you the pictures from my plasmaball setup.

Bye Markus

You don't have any capacitors  to tune it to the resonant frequency. You can't just wind a coil and think you'll get power out of it! Look closely at Don's setup. He has 4 of the .1 uF caps connected to it and you can't just use any capacitor. You need to know the frequency of the generator the plasma ball uses. Then you have to test it to ensure the frequency is accurate. After you test it, you will have to test the coil you wound to find the inductance. Then, you will have to enter the frequency and the inductor size into an online resonance calculator and find the results for the capacitor size used. Don't forget to buy capacitors that are able to handle the voltage created by the plasma generator!  Once you figure this out, and you have a voltage output, you aren't done yet because you have to have a voltage output that is manageable. He also uses this energy as an output that could be enhanced. The rest of his circuit modules need to be built to do this. You are basically taking the energy from the plasma ball to output the high voltage and waveform. If you follow his other experiments, one of them uses a plasma tube to disturb ambient enough that it will attract itself to the plates of a capacitor which will be o a 90 degree angle to the tube. He also does this by adding a resonant coil onto a magnetostrictive rod, such as metglas or terfenol D (which is madly expensive). Anyway, he installs a coil , insulated from the rod and it is a resonant coil, meaning he tunes the coil to the resonant frequency of the input generator, which is an NST (neon sign transformer). This takes adding the right sized capacitor and the same I explained before for the coil on top of the plasma ball. You need a frequency meter, an induction meter and capacitors of the correct size, possibly even a bunch of different sizes in the range needed so one could be added at a time to tune it near the frequency needed. I was told by an RF expert that the Q of the circuit, resistance, and the capacitance of the NST's coil and tank circuit will effect the resonant frequency desired, so, it is most likely after you tune the circuit, it won't work because the resonance is .7 to .8 of the original frequency needed due to the interference of the other variables involved in outside components used inside of the NST, outside interference, if you have a core in the coils, they will change things, and of course if you have tried using different wire size, more windings in less space, all of these things will change the inductance of the circuit drastically, therefore moving the resonant frequency from the desired frequency to an undesired one. Just one hertz off will hinder the function and you will get nothing at the output if resonance is not covered within a wider window than you may have. The weakest output from an nst at a pulsed dc with the tinest spark gap WILL give you thousands of watts output. There is nothing fake about Don's circuits. I have tuned one of my replicas so close that when I pulsed the spark gap with one single pulse (I did this in parallel, and I changed th location of L1, favoring the side controlling amperage. I ended up connecting a 120v DJ light to the output after I added 1500 Farads of heavy utility capacitors and blew the dj light up like a bomb, shooting a fireball out of the lamp. That kind of power can't be created by anything normally other than High voltage utility systems. I know this because I work on them for a living. I couldn't get the system to function steadily, however, the power level was there and it was done for a fraction of a second putting out more power than a 13,800 volt utility line with a 200 amp cutout on the circuit. (a cutout is a fuse used on a utility pole). To be quite honest with you, you would have to take your time and read all of Don's documents he has written. Don was bound by contracts as his systems were acquired by an energy firm that stopped him from giving the systems away. I have only seen one of his working devices before and it was a power system on a rack that functioned by utilizing the Casimir Effect, which is a real effect known and confirmed by science. Don used his patience to back engineer these energy devices. He didn't invent most of them, however he paid close attention to the work of Tesla and recommended reading most of his books to get a better understanding how Tesla induced this energy. It wasn't magic, nor is it impossible. Tesla didn't create overunity, he used nature to his advantage and he tried to prove that it wasn't impossible, which it isn't. Tesla's plan was to draw this energy in and transmit it for free. If he didn't draw this energy in for free, he would never been able to afford the electricity to send free power to the city for free. According to Tesla, one transmitter did the same thing radio stations did. The transmitter could reach and power millions and millions of listeners. This was back when the radio needed no battery, you just tuned in and the system powered a headphone. There was no impact on the source. The transmitter used the same power all the time regardless of listeners. Now, radio is amplified on the listener's end to get more output to several speakers.. The old days of battery free radio are over unless you build and tune into am radio yourself with your own inductor, capacitor and few other components, oh, and a one ear mono headphone! Don Smith's systems work the same way, with resonance to build what's called a Phase Conjugate Pump, and they only need a battery to start them if built correctly. They have a feedback loop.. some have a wireless energy source that automatically charges the battery. I built this and it does work perfectly. You need to have more test gear, oscilloscope, know how with RF, and, a whole lot of patience. There is nothing easy about building Don's devices, and, you shouldn't be saying they don't work, especially when they aren't replicated as he shows in his images and in his book.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: dezeinstein on April 25, 2016, 04:23:33 AM
Hey, iphone or samsung smartphone output is stereo output. We just need an android application that can generate frequencies higher than 20,000 hz.

Best,

The frequency response of most audio amps is usually 18 to 22 khz and no higher. How does one's amp output more than this utilizing an input of a higher frequency? I am stumped by this one!

Dez
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: ZPE Farmer on April 29, 2016, 03:18:09 PM


Hi Bro, I have listened to Don Smith's speechs repeatedly to indentify any truths he spoke despite his intention of not revealing the entire model.
he says "every normal elctrical activity is ground, OU is acheived when you have something 'above' the ground.. electrons excited to higher levels create potential higher than ground "

even in his Dipole antena generator there is no big voltage appearing across the plates, you need to have Avremenko's Plug and discharge each plate individualy to GROUND via the load.
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: gonzollo on November 12, 2016, 11:17:24 PM
This neon transformer device from picture of Don Smith board.
I have one.
If you need more pictures just ask me.

And I have  invertor same like in picture.
Do you need inside photos?
Title: Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
Post by: abbhawk on July 03, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
Im no expert and I cant say for sure what is the truth, but i noticed a video from 2016 where a copycat say he made a working model with 6w input and 2000w output. If its true that he reload battery while having output then i guess its good, and if he make 7 old bulbs light at 6watt input i guess its pretty good too, but its not a perfect proof, but he show quite perfect how to copy his project. In text below video he have links to every webshop selling what you need to buy to copy. Maybe someone would like to test it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hted5YTCw&list=LLdCvn8C_zexHFr6l3uY9vvw&index=1

Btw. Don smith made a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnoy2D4wuf8&index=2&list=LLdCvn8C_zexHFr6l3uY9vvw
Here Don smith states his output at lowest as possible input level to be 16kva if i remember right. I guess this is 16000volt at 1 ampere. In my country we use 8 ampere i think, so his output equals 2000volt at 8ampere. If this means he can add up the sockets he use till he use 2000volt so he get like 9 220volt output hubs - thats a pretty nice output.

But im no expert, watch the videos and make your own decision if you think its possible, i just say, some people say it works. I hope someone here will test it out.