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Author Topic: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device  (Read 146680 times)

Offline XS-NRG

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2010, 01:18:17 AM »
That invention of Mr Smith should not have been on the same picture with Mr E. Dollard and Mr E.V Gray.

It is only on that picture because the set up shows simalarities.

Concider the following,
A demonstration is given to you in which a Don Smith type device is shown.
The device put's out a perfect 60 Hertz fixed frequency.

Now ask yourself the question, what would YOU think if i told you such devices will always have a frequency drift?
They will never be stable at EXACTLY 60Hz especially because a spark gap is used in combination with a frequency correcting resistor.

The device would have had more credabillity IF it showed a frequency drift and IF the output frequency was something else then 60 Hertz.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2010, 01:18:17 AM »

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2010, 09:12:53 AM »
That invention of Mr Smith should not have been on the same picture with Mr E. Dollard and Mr E.V Gray.

It is only on that picture because the set up shows simalarities.

Concider the following,
A demonstration is given to you in which a Don Smith type device is shown.
The device put's out a perfect 60 Hertz fixed frequency.

Now ask yourself the question, what would YOU think if i told you such devices will always have a frequency drift?
They will never be stable at EXACTLY 60Hz especially because a spark gap is used in combination with a frequency correcting resistor.

The device would have had more credabillity IF it showed a frequency drift and IF the output frequency was something else then 60 Hertz.

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Hi XS-Nrg yes you said correct but Don states that he used certain instruments to tune his devices to the correct frequency.
Thanks


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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2010, 12:14:50 PM »
He would need alot of additional circuitry to stabilize the output frequency.

It has got nothing to do with tunning tools but all with monitorring and stabilizing.

You cannot simply use tunning tools to fix the frequency of a spark gap that is a bunch of nonsense it will always be irregular because of it's crude nature.
And beside, there ain't a tool in the world that could fix that.

The only case where the spark is seriously regulated is in ignition systems and this is not the case in the Don Smith example.
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2010, 03:55:54 PM »
He would need alot of additional circuitry to stabilize the output frequency.

It has got nothing to do with tunning tools but all with monitorring and stabilizing.

You cannot simply use tunning tools to fix the frequency of a spark gap that is a bunch of nonsense it will always be irregular because of it's crude nature.
And beside, there ain't a tool in the world that could fix that.

The only case where the spark is seriously regulated is in ignition systems and this is not the case in the Don Smith example.
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this is complete and utter nonsense. Tesla was easily able to maintain discrete frequencies, with crude and simple feedback circuitry - using (yes) spark gaps.

It is the ability to charge and discharge the storage medium that can create a consistent frequency using this type of system.
The reason such complex control circuitry is used today, is because we inherently utilize storage medium with a higher charge-potential than the discharge gap. This results in inconsistent charge-rates and can lead to retarted or premature discharge patterns.

This is not "always" the case. With some mediums, there can be a consistent charge rate and subsequent discharge - even with the charge potential being higher than the potential between the spark gap. and in such an instance, the only thing required to have complete control over the frequency is an adjustment of the gap potential.( distance and impedance)

There are several other factors that contribute to inconsistent frequencies - for instance wether or not the spark gap is exposed to open air (and wether or not this air is moving), the distance of the charging current path (shorter distances can result in greater inconsistencies), the physicalities of the electrodes can affect the particular discharge-path which can also lead to fluxuations in frequency.

If you understand the mechanism of the charge/discharge, the frequency can be discrete, without the use of 21st century technology. Frequency-dependent experiments were being conducted as early as the end of the 1800's, using spark gaps.




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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2010, 09:29:44 PM »
Smokey is right I saw an experiment on youtube with a plasmaball lighting a bulb. When gap was varied voltage varied. There's a relation with voltage and frequency with gap.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2010, 09:29:44 PM »
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2010, 06:39:17 PM »
this is complete and utter nonsense. Tesla was easily able to maintain discrete frequencies, with crude and simple feedback circuitry - using (yes) spark gaps.

It is the ability to charge and discharge the storage medium that can create a consistent frequency using this type of system.
The reason such complex control circuitry is used today, is because we inherently utilize storage medium with a higher charge-potential than the discharge gap. This results in inconsistent charge-rates and can lead to retarted or premature discharge patterns.

This is not "always" the case. With some mediums, there can be a consistent charge rate and subsequent discharge - even with the charge potential being higher than the potential between the spark gap. and in such an instance, the only thing required to have complete control over the frequency is an adjustment of the gap potential.( distance and impedance)

There are several other factors that contribute to inconsistent frequencies - for instance wether or not the spark gap is exposed to open air (and wether or not this air is moving), the distance of the charging current path (shorter distances can result in greater inconsistencies), the physicalities of the electrodes can affect the particular discharge-path which can also lead to fluxuations in frequency.

If you understand the mechanism of the charge/discharge, the frequency can be discrete, without the use of 21st century technology. Frequency-dependent experiments were being conducted as early as the end of the 1800's, using spark gaps.

Nonsense back at you.
Show me one spark gap that measures a perfect 60Hz on the frequency counter.

You will fail.
Because the composition of air varies one spark to another, this alone makes it impossible to have no frequency drift.

Any body working with spark gaps know that air composition and humidity play major roles in frequency stabillity.

I could go into some in depth discussion about this subject but it is not worth my time.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2010, 12:12:06 AM »
I have all the parts, but no place to assemble it yet. High voltages don't bother me. I use to test parts at 570,000 volts A/C at 1.25 amps. Been "Zapped" more than once by A+ and DC at 150,000 volts. You don't do it twice.
Please all, be safe and keep one hand in your pocket. Wear voltage gloves.
Use long Fiberglass poles and test leads.

Dr. BOB.

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2010, 12:12:06 AM »
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2011, 04:24:34 PM »
Folks:
       I worked at a place that built parts that ran on 570 kv ac and had to last 120 years for special government projects. The problem is that things keep changing. Take the Monster speaker wire that Don Smith was using. They don't make it any more with 538 copper wires in the cable. I now have a plasma ball, the only place to get one is "Target" stores. I'm using 4 gauge welding wire because it has 538 wire strands. I can get Capacitors that take 100 kv and in almost any Microfarad i need. I have tracked 20 kv 600 amp diodes and am building a workshop to do the research work. I will build a wire winder for prototypes. I have tracked down a wire supplier for all kinds of transformer wire. I have a supplier for Neon Sign transformers that are 60 kv at 60 milliamps. All of this has taken 2 years. I am funding this from my own pocket, as all the gov't funding went to "Exxon". I'll update when all is together. If this works or not, i must try to find out. No reason not to.

Dr Bob
Hello Bob,
I try to replicate Don device already year. Still not success.
May I ask what type of diodes 60KV at 60ma you are using?
Regards,
Sigitas.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2011, 08:18:18 PM »
The Diodes are from standard 188,000 volt transmission line equipment.
The 100,000 volt capacitors are from "High Energy Corp" that I use to work for.
I have see the designs, tested them, blown up a few defective ones and repaired some as well. The spark gap should be adjusted or selected from off the shelf product to "Limit" top voltage. This what Don Smith was trying to do so his 8,000 volt caps wouldn't fail at possible 10,000 volt levels. If you use 50,000 volt caps with a 40,000 volt Neon Sign power supply all will be OK.

Dr. BOB

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2011, 11:11:59 PM »
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Nonsense back at you.
Show me one spark gap that measures a perfect 60Hz on the frequency counter.

You will fail.
Because the composition of air varies one spark to another, this alone makes it impossible to have no frequency drift.

Any body working with spark gaps know that air composition and humidity play major roles in frequency stabillity.

I could go into some in depth discussion about this subject but it is not worth my time.

I rarely intervene in such threads, but the point here developed is valid enough. You cannot have "smooth" resonance with traditional spark-gaps.
Tesla striving into this direction developed wheels that were rotated by synchronous motors of fixed speed and were making the spark (or L1C1 ringing) at completely defined time intervals.

Also he has mastered the commutator wheel with brushes that at a fixed speed creates sparking at identical time intervals.
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By the way, according my view, with contemporary means, the best and only method for attaining perfect resonance in all aspects is the Kacher device.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2011, 12:48:36 AM »
yes well you can have perfectly timed sparks but that does not mean your system will resonate.
Resonance usually involves a perfect sine wave and sparks create anything but that.  :)

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2011, 01:37:07 AM »
The Diodes are from standard 188,000 volt transmission line equipment.
The 100,000 volt capacitors are from "High Energy Corp" that I use to work for.
I have see the designs, tested them, blown up a few defective ones and repaired some as well. The spark gap should be adjusted or selected from off the shelf product to "Limit" top voltage. This what Don Smith was trying to do so his 8,000 volt caps wouldn't fail at possible 10,000 volt levels. If you use 50,000 volt caps with a 40,000 volt Neon Sign power supply all will be OK.

Dr. BOB

Another Dr? Bob?
Chiropractics, eh?

What are the "standard 180kV diodes"?
Or, 100kV capacitors?
"40kV" Neon sign transformer?

What are those artifacts looks like?


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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2011, 01:46:43 AM »
I have all the parts, but no place to assemble it yet. High voltages don't bother me. I use to test parts at 570,000 volts A/C at 1.25 amps. Been "Zapped" more than once by A+ and DC at 150,000 volts. You don't do it twice.
Please all, be safe and keep one hand in your pocket. Wear voltage gloves.
Use long Fiberglass poles and test leads.

Dr. BOB.

Lol!

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2011, 02:30:21 AM »



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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2011, 02:49:13 AM »
Spark gaps are broadband transmitters. The spew.

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