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Author Topic: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device  (Read 146390 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2014, 03:58:22 AM »
I got this -trumpet-wineglass- wave form from a setup I messed with or is it a swordfish or a sailfish wave form  ;D The secondaries were grounded by the center tap and there was no real load, I had a Gas discharge tube between the secondaries hot ends, the secondaries were tuned by a 3 nF capacitor across both. The no load situation is why the waveform increases in amplitude I think. I see nothing O.U. about it. A load would soon put an end to the increasing amplitude wave form I think.

Don Smith tuned his secondaries with capacitors as well, look at the pictures. And my coils are both wound the same way, just as Don Smith described. Not opposite, as he never mentioned that. He even described how he made his coils from one longer coil, which means they are both wound the same way.

Video of wine glass-trumpet wave form ( Sailfish is a better description of what I see.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjuE91-qXu0

Try it and see.

P.S scope probe is hanging in free air about 12 inches from the secondaries, in no particular orientation, I think it was closer to one side than the other.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2014, 03:58:22 AM »

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #76 on: March 15, 2014, 04:29:55 AM »
Farmhand,

I saw 2 spark gaps in your video, spark plug was for the primary I believe, where was the second one, tube type, connected and why ? I could not find that in the market at all. What is that and where originally its used ?
What is its function in your circuit ?

I read 123 page Don Smith pdf and made notes. Which circuit you have used ?

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #77 on: March 15, 2014, 04:35:09 AM »
Here is a good help while tuning the coils
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http://radio-timetraveller.blogspot.in/2011_12_01_archive.html

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #78 on: March 15, 2014, 04:48:02 AM »
The primary in dons device acts as a tuned radio antenna and secondary as tuned radio reciever IMHO, if we somehow cancell the electrical part of the transmitted waveform and recieve only the magnetic component of the waveform to induce our multiple secondaries in close viscinity of 1/4 of the wavelegth.

What would be the result ? Any thoughts ?

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2014, 04:54:37 AM »
That the second spark gap is between the secondary "hot" ends, it is a 2000 volt Gas Discharge Tube and I put it there to check the output voltage, as we can see the GDT discharges only once with every discharge of the primary spark gap.

The circuit is simply two 20 Turn secondaries joined to make a grounded center tap with the primary between, this makes one secondary side negative while the other side is positive, the two secondaries are ground potential in the middle and opposite alternating potentials at the ends, I tuned the primary and it's capacitance to the same frequency as each of the secondaries separately, I think or a harmonic, it was a while ago. I still have the setup on it's wooden frame, and I will use it for other experiments.

I am aware of how to tune things to resonance. It's actually quite easy.

Here is a 1 minute run of my over 700 khz Tesla transformer, it has only about 220 turns in the secondary and extra coils together and one primary turn 360 mm in diameter the secondary is 360 mm in diameter and the extra coil is about 120 mm in diameter. The power is restricted primary side and secondary side, the break rate of the rotary gap can go to well over 1000 BPS but works best at about 400 which is when the resonant charging circuit is in tune. Max input power is about 680 Watts, but I rarely use that much. I plan to remove the primary power restriction soon. I'll post the supply circuit for the Tesla coil soon.

Tesla coil 1 minute run, over 700 Khz res frequency. A bit high for a sparking coil. I vary the break rate during the run and we can see the rope type discharge is quite powerful and happens a certain break rates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg

Just have a look at the thread here http://www.overunity.com/13935/tesla-coil-build-comparison-proof-of-ability/#.UyPPb_mSwls

Tinsel is a lot more knowledgeable than me so I take it easy so I stay alive.  ;D Very dangerous is one way to describe these activities and experiments.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2014, 04:54:37 AM »
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2014, 05:16:15 AM »
Basicly Smith says, you can clone the receiver of wireless energy transmission without to draw more energy from the transmitter. Hi Voltage and Hi Frequency is required. Resonance prevents usual RF losses. Basicly you need a couple of identical tesla coils, one is the transmitter, surrounded by a ring of receivers. Sounds easy to me.


Speaking of sparks, there may be more things going on than mainstream theories say about it. For example the back emf has a higher voltage and so a sparkgap may show two sparks simultanously, the red one (fwd) and the blue (back emf spark), visually mixing to a violet color. However, you can block the back emf with diodes. But what is really interesting about it is his pulling force... imagine the sticky electrons at the other end of the circuit, when the back emf hits, then they will be stressed enormously. Plausible is, that you can pull electrons from the ground this way. All I know is, when I tried that with my 3V mosquito zapper sparkgap and ground, it destroyed my digital voltmeter after it showed some insane ampere readings...

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #81 on: March 15, 2014, 05:38:37 AM »
All the attempts to replicate that claimed effect by Don Smith indicate that the input to the transmitter always exceeds the output of all receivers. Several were done and shown the the Don Smith thread on the EF forum. As far as I know all of the attempts showed the available output was shared between the receivers and was less in total than the input to the transmitter. I fail to see how such a setup could show more EDIT: "Energy" received than is transmitted.

The only thing Don showed was that multiple receivers could output the same power as one receiver, no input power (real power) was stated. Nor was the output power, he just showed it lighting NE 2 neons.

If you have the time you can watch this video belowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI of two receivers with outputs and one transmitter using a small input power. Input was still more than output combined. But this was grounded receivers Don showed "floating" receivers, basically just four identical coils one powered the others lighting neons which in my opinion prooved nothing much at all. The power required to light up one neon is tiny as can be seen in my video.

One transmitter two receivers. 17 minutes long. Some mumbling, these video's of mine were not produced for any other reason than to show other like minded people, I never expected to show them to convince anyone of anything. People have free minds to use as they please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI

Just how I see it.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2014, 06:46:16 AM »
Dieter and farmhand,

Thanks 4 the replies.

● Back emf of the primary can be put to use by using a bifilar pancake primary coil, instead of blocking it with diodes. I just got 30 5408 diodes for the experiment but will use a bifilar for the primary. What do you guys think about it ?

● Instead of using the bifi in primary as one coil, we will split into two pancakes, one on top and the other on bottom, centre of top is connected to outer end of bottom panacke and centre of bottom and outer end of top become input.

● Secondary coils : Suppose we use 3 secondary coils, each in bifilar pancake configuration for pickup. There three pickup coils are sandwitched between the two split primaries.

● The primary and pickups have same resonant frequency, as per our design.

● After each pickup we have the same resonant step down trafo connected with bridge rectifier and dc caps to get the DC out.

● These 3 dc outs are connected in parallel go get higher current output at the fixed dc voltage.

● Instead of only 3 we can use 4,5,6 or more and see if the combined ouput increases with addition of each pickup.
   The pancake setup allows many pick up coils within the small space between two outer secondaries and keeps the     
    EMF well within reach of the pickups.

● We keep on adding pickups till output increase input.

★★  What do you say guys  ? Where do we use earth connection in this setup to pull extra charge ?

Please comment on each point separately.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2014, 07:06:32 AM »
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #84 on: March 15, 2014, 07:09:30 AM »
. Since we are using back emf also, the output must be more than input. We are using energy of one kick but getting output of two kicks. These two kicks generate obviously bigger kicks in pickups, which inturn return part of kicks back to primary and their mutual kung fu at resonance decreases the input and increases the output. 

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #85 on: March 15, 2014, 09:01:03 AM »
What happened guys ?  8)

Everyone fell silent after a burst of posts and vdo's. !!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #86 on: March 15, 2014, 09:24:47 AM »
Ok, I am posting a schematic of what I just said in my last post.



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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #87 on: March 15, 2014, 06:13:58 PM »
A RUSSIAN NAMED RUSLAN MADE A FREE ENERGY DEVICE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIf9SZS0HF0

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #88 on: March 16, 2014, 12:06:25 AM »
Hi, I was busy winding...


Sounds good. So you can see if there is any gain byh says  additional receivers. Farmhand denies, I don't know, Smith says yes.


When I said blocking, I meant redirect to to some work. Maybe we should clearify something. The term "back EMF" is often used, but not everybody means the same by it. There is A:
Back electromagnetic pulse. This is electrical.
The pulse given by a collapsing field. It flows in reverse polarity and is a short and strong kick. The more immediately the fwd current stops, the higher this kick is.
Even with no coil this pulse can be seen, eg. when you disconnect a high voltage, it may try to maintain the connection by building large sparks during disconnection. And B:


The back electromotive force (this is magnetic) that is basicly Selfinductance of the induced secondary. The magnetism in the core induces a current in the secondary, but that current also causes magnetism in the core, but in the reverse polarity, reducing the efficiency of the primary in common transformers. The approach of preventing this counter force is often named "Lenz-less".


So I was talking about the first one. You should know that regarding to "accepted theories" there is no unknown source of this back emp, but it is the stored inductance in the circuit, stored as magnetic field, even around a single wire, but esp. in a coil. When you turn on the circuit, it takes some time until the coils have built their field. On the other hand, it  takes also a while until they are demagnetized after turning the circuit off.
However, the high accelleration that is a special feature of the back emp may be used somehow.


You may see Ground as the positive electrode during the back emp, and the circuit as ground. The stepup circuit must have an other ground, some Meters away at least.


Something like
+ ---o  o---eeeee---|<---bemfLoad-----Ground2
- ----fwdLoad---|


So the fwd circuit is sparkgap, storage coil, fwdLoad, ground1, the bemf circuit is then Ground2(+)  bemfload, diode, coil, sparkgap, stepup transformer. By allowing the bemf to flow back to the transformer, you draw less energy from there. Just make sure there ain't no semiconductors that cannot handle the spikes (easily 4 times the fwd voltage)  .


BTW a couple of 1kV diodes (standard si diodes) in series can act as HV diode, tho due to the bemf spikes, you need 5 in a 1kV setup. I used to fry several single ones due to the bemf in fwd voltage of about 900V...




BTW. DONT USE MAINS GROUND OR WATERTAP FOR GROUND2!!! the high voltage may jump right to the hot wire in mains grid, since you "draw" HV using your bemf high tension. Instead use a big metal piece in or on the ground as "ground2".


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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #89 on: March 16, 2014, 01:52:33 AM »
When the primary is tuned to resonance (with a tank circuit) the coil discharge (or what some call the back emf) is incorporated into the "sine like" wave form, as in my feedback oscillator which is not a true Armstrong oscillator in the way it behaves, most feedback oscillators I see for TC operation produce spikes on the primary, mine makes a "sine like" wave form (at full resonant frequency), as can be seen in the video with 12 volts input the primary can have up to 150 volts across it and it has very little DC resistance, the oscillating current is also quite high, this is "Activity" the uAmp meter is a field detector when the primary current is higher the meter is higher when it drops the meter drops. The regular supply amp meter doesn't change much. With less than 5 Watts input we can get hundreds of Watts of oscillating power (or Activity), which is not output, it stays in the system and is built up in a short period of time.

It works like this - the circuit runs from DC pulses, the mosfet has a capacitor across it, so when the primary discharges it fills the capacitor and that causes it to discharge back through the primary the other way, but due to the L/C of the primary and the capacitor the discharge coincides with the resonant frequency of the transformer secondary, the transformer secondary also reapplies it's oscillating power to the primary if it is possible but none goes back to the supply so no actual reactive power, only oscillating power, that is not output. See wave form below, it's the best screen grab I could get from the video. The primary is 10 turns of 1 mm wire so primary resistance is not much. 

There is nothing free about the coil discharge (or what some call back emf) and just to note ! Counter emf is developed to oppose the flow of current in real time (at the same time) as the input current flows in the coil, I consider back emf to be the same as counter emf, the energy released from the magnetic field of the coil is the discharging of the coil as opposed to the charging of the coil, nothing to do with counter emf or back emf in my opinion. The energy released from the coil when it discharges is provided by the supply as the coil is charged, it is input by us. Not free.

And just for the record I did not deny anything, I just said that all indications showed that any amount of receivers cannot receive more energy than is transmitted, that would be like saying the receiver manufactured energy.  :)

Cheers

P.S. Wave form in yellow shows coil discharge is incorporated into the primary "sinus like" wave form. And voltage across the primary peak to peak.

2nd P.S. I can use that Oscillator to "silence" a "Band"  of the radio broadcast at 840 Khz in my local area, if I tune it to do so. Which would be considered to be a bit naughty, hehehe.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
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