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Author Topic: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device  (Read 148238 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2014, 02:04:18 PM »
Yep. Your assumptions are definitely leading you astray. Things don't quite work, actually, the way Don Smith says they do, and that's why you see people failing in their efforts to get their devices to work.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2014, 02:11:40 PM »
Attached is the schematic.

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Offline Jeg

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2014, 02:31:03 PM »
Yep. Your assumptions are definitely leading you astray. Things don't quite work, actually, the way Don Smith says they do, and that's why you see people failing in their efforts to get their devices to work.

I think the main problem is not in the given theory but in the lack of crucial details  for the complete understanding. ie resonating a coil to its natural resonance using lower frequencies. By the way did you check my waveform at hfsstc topic? 

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« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2014, 03:25:28 PM »
I did the experiment as attached here and found that there is no change in battery current draw when I shorted the secondary step down coil ends.

The system is not registering any load on it on shorting the secondary.

There is no earth connection used anywhere. Everything is on table and away from earth.
What is this supposed to mean.

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Re: another anamoly observed
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2014, 03:55:45 PM »
I did the experiment as attached here and found that there is no change in battery current draw when I shorted the secondary step down coil ends.

The system is not registering any load on it on shorting the secondary.

There is no earth connection used anywhere. Everything is on table and away from earth.
What is this supposed to mean.

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If I may inject an opinion of the circuit: 

The circuit load consists of the flyback transformer and the two caps and the inverter.  As the caps charge up, they present a load to the inverter.  That is what determines your current draw in your circuit.  When the caps dis-charge after reaching sufficient voltage to bridge the spark gap, then the load to recharge the caps starts over.  So the load is really only recharging the caps after the spark dis-charge.  Therefore, shorting the secondary AB will have little effect on the current draw of the device.  I see no potential for OU in this type of circuit. 

The only way I have found to achieve OU (more power out vs. power in), is to be able to efficiently extract an external energy source or force that you don't have to pay back and add it to your device's output.  (Wind, sunlight, magnetism).

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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2014, 03:55:45 PM »
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2014, 04:04:16 PM »
I am not claiming anything at all. Just wondering if I add many secondaries and draw power out from them, will there be a load on the primary or not ?

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2014, 04:15:45 PM »
I am not claiming anything at all. Just wondering if I add many secondaries and draw power out from them, will there be a load on the primary or not ?

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I'm not concerned about what you claim as some seem to get quite excited if they hear OU.  You will know when you really have something if you study it completely. 

But to answer your question about the circuit, using the spark gap, you have effectively isolated a direct connection from the load to the input source.  However, you will only be able to extract or draw power out of the secondary AB at the rate provided by your cap/spark gap and driver circuit.  The load or current draw on the circuit is determined by how often you have to re-charge the caps after a spark dis-charge into the transformer and other circuit losses.

Hope this helps.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2014, 04:15:45 PM »
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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2014, 04:20:33 PM »
Max energy draw cant be unlimited. ;D 

Does magnetic resonant coupling between one primary and many secondaries lead to OU ? Don Smith said so, I am not confident though.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2014, 04:26:21 PM »
@ Liberty,

In the Energy Amplification thread many people are shouting over the rooftops that they have working Free Energy OU
devices based on Teslas bifi coil and magnifying transmitter and lenzless trafo patents but they always talk in riddles and that thread is many years old.

Whats happening on this forum man.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2014, 04:39:30 PM »
Max energy draw cant be unlimited. ;D 

Does magnetic resonant coupling between one primary and many secondaries lead to OU ? Don Smith said so, I am not confident though.

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In my electronic experience, as soon as you draw energy from an oscillating series or tank circuit, you lower the intensity of the oscillation and change the frequency of the oscillation, due to the loss in the circuit.  There is no energy gain in resonance.  I think resonance can help with efficiency in the right application.  The resonance of a cap and coil are mainly used in radio circuits as a band pass or band frequency block.  I have not found any additional energy gain by using resonance.  Impedance matching is also very important in such circuits, as to the efficiency achieved.   But I have not ever seen in my experience, an OU increase in output due to any electronic circuit used.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2014, 03:33:53 AM »
Has anyone ever tried the enclosed schematic or someone aware of real results from a similar schematic or maybe some YT video ?

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2014, 06:46:26 AM »
I think it would work if you work out it  ;)  This idea is correct but need modifications. See also Don Smith 2001 video about the same using metglas core

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2014, 07:22:56 AM »
I think that if you setup properly one secondary then it is easy to apply the same principals to more secondaries.
It is not an easy task though. The energy passage from primary to secondary needs to be flawless and that happens only if you match both sides in wavelength terms. i.e both of them have to have a 1/4, 1/2 or full wave relation.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2014, 07:24:15 AM »
Please suggest the modifiactions. Thanks.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
« Reply #74 on: March 15, 2014, 03:24:32 AM »
Hi jeg and forest,

I will take .50 mm wire for primary 1 meter length and secondaries as 0.25 mm wire with 4 meter length.

Primary former will be 1.5 inch and secondary former will be 3.50 inch dia.

If in a room we have 1000 tuning forks of identical frequency and one of them is vibrated with some input energy, the rest 999 will also vibrate and produce more cumulative sound output compared to the one which we are vibrating.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: I tried to rebiuld a Don Smith Device
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