http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSnSxAMjXq8

Once you look at that, then check this out.

www.teslamotors.com

Don't Kill the Messenger

Idea is not bad....

There are always ppl who say no and say yes.
Anyway video says that it does not work, may be true may be false...

But what about second part of video cars with hydrolysis cells on board ?

On the other hand what about Stanley Meyers work, they are not giving patents away for nothing.
Also u may be interested about tease guys who build up tease things but are not getting any surprising results.
What about this place ... overunity.com  any1 can tell 100 % that hes saving at least 30 % fuel.

This  topic  is  brought  to you  by big oil ........and  the small minds  of those that are profiting  from  our  dependance on  their  oil



gary

nice cell ...

may i make a few suggestions ...

ok get rid of any metal connectors in the can!!! the clear vynal tubbing is crap use reienforcied at the min .. also  unless that is sch40 pvc or abs  you may have a problem with that too

just some insight form my own mistakes 

looks great othe wise

ist

Hi Innovation_station and Killthemessenger:

Innovation_station: Thanks for your comments. You are right. Anyway I think I can get away with it: Let me explain:

This is a prototype. It is not intended to be used more than 7-10 days, just to validate the second part of the experiment: The electronics.

The main container and the bubbler  is cut from PVC water drain 100mm and 40mm piping, and the pvc wall is quite resistant (5 or so mm of pvc worth). I had the choice of thinner PVC, but I kept the "strong pipe".

The cell will be located outside the motor compartment itself: My car has the motor compartment, then the radiator, then the nose of the car,  which goes a bit longer, for (dubious) aesthetic / air drag motives, and there is lots of space between the place where the radiator is, and the car's nose, which is hooded, cold, and away of any mechanical parts. Even 20 cm or more from the radiator.

I am planning to put it in there. Then the bubbler will go in the motor compartment, but well apart from any heat source. the AIR intake is almost in there, right at hand from the place I am putting the cell, and the bubbler might even be right below air intake.

Also, down here we are in winter time (and there is no freezing temperature).

The valve you see, it is a "one way valve" that actually is of little use, because water is slowly passing backwards thru it (it only resists if certain pressure is going backwards, but not only the water weight itself). I will eliminate it.

I wonder: what happens if I place the HHO output right into the air intake hole (and do not try to puncture, connect it nearer the motor ?) The HHO will surely travel all the way up to the motor! ? or it will be converted to H20 Again, for example, when hitting the air filter ?) any idea ?

Regards,

SigmaX

EDIT: I have yet to measure liters, but I think it will be on the 1 / 2 liters per minute. Anyway After I measure it, I will reconfigure my stainless steel plates. Right now there are 16 of them, measuring each one 15cm x 5cm, in a +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- configuration (with about 1 mm of separation among them). But I take this way of placing them is way to dangerous (any of them touching each other, will produce a short circuit / spark !!!)

SO I did this just to see how much HHO I generate, I will test it (lots of bubbles at 10 amps / 11 volts) and then I will switch to the more safe + n n n n n n - cell type.

Killthemessegner: Amps go in direct proportion to how much electrolyte I place. With distilled water, it uses up like 1   or 2 amps, but almost no HHO production. If I place TAP WATER, it goes into 8 or 10 amps. If I place distilled water with a teaspon full of baking soda, it just eat too much (more than 15 amps) and my C.B. transformer shuts itself down.

I ordered a PWM circuit, from Hydrogen garage (shame on me, didn?t build it myself! ) just to try to pulse things a bit in different frecuencies and see how does it go.

I DONT LIKE to use 30 amps ... even 10 amps gets me the chills. I would LOVE to see 1 or more HHO litres with 10 or less amps.

I currently have HHO running in my Ford F150. I generate 32 Liters per hour and have a loss of 2 mpg, on average when I have the generator on. I have CO2 stand-off's installed, and have not been able to measure any differnece they have made. You can see my system on youtube under KillTheMessengers I''ve put many hours into my design, and it works to generate HHo very well, and it will make a great july 4th noise maker. I am not alone and I dare any of you who doubt my words to come forward and say that you have gained 20%, or 40% in gas mileage by using HHO. It simply can not work. The only gain is realized when the MAF sensor voltage is adjusted to make the vehicle run very lean. Running your vehicle very lean is dangerous to the health of the engine, but I still insist that tricking the MAF readings  is the only gain in mileage that anyone has seen. My words are backed by research, and  testing,  I did this with a group of very smart people, of which only one doubted that it would work. We all greed in the end, that you can't generate enough HHO to benefit your gas mileage in any normal vehicle.The alternator drag on my engine, ate any benefit I might have seen, and i nthe end, gave me a reduction in MPG.  When you have your own testing to speak of, then open you mouth and give us facts, otherwise, keep it to yourself. Don't tell me about what others have done, tell me about what you have done.

KillTheMessenger,   1.8L /minute isn't much for a big 5.4L engine.   And if you came in and posted your results, without the agenda, and assumption that everyone with a HHO booster system is wasting their time.. you'd have more credibility. 

Utilitarian, maybe the tests were too expensive? Maybe the computer results are accurate? Maybe it's a big scam?  Who knows..  But the testing company is credible..  And the test results are better than nothing, and more interesting than all the HHO bubble makers you see on Youtube. 

http://www.ronnmotors.com/   ...Contact these guys... They claim to increase their mpg from 28 to 40 (i believe)

intersting consveration


i can not confirm any tests in a car  as i have not installed a unit in a car yet ...

the tests i have done are all in the house  i do have the safty devices installed but not the cell yet as i must find a good cell design b4 i do any installing in my car 

how ever im pretty sure the last cell i built will serve the perpous i have let it run 5 hours 2 times now the draw is right around 20 amps after 3 hours of run time  it starts at 10 amp cold and climbs up to 20+-  i have a 25 amp curcuit breaker and it never tripped in 5 hours  im useing a 30 amp relay 

all is well so far with this design  but i must keep testing b4 im satistifed to install it

ist

a pic  ?     ok   lol