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Offline Groundloop

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 11:20:28 PM »
@resonanceman,

Well, I'm not sitting on my butt regarding testing of free energy devices! LOL :-)

I remember back in 1998 (or so) when I first read about the MEG. I then thought that
it was a very nice looking equipment. Now that I actually have a unit on my desk, it looks
more like a monster. :-) I have spent a huge amount of money and time on the unit,
and I have used the best parts that where available to me. Now we have reached 2008,
that is 10 years. In ten years the Bearden's team has not managed to get the unit out
to the market. I also remember a Yahoo group dedicated to the MEG replica. (Maybe the
group still is active?) As far as I have checked, none of the members of that group got a
running o/u unit. Now here we have a lot of people trying out all sorts of configurations.
I bet that someone in this group also have tried another coil setup than me. What I'm trying
to say is that the only thing we have is Bearden's claim that the unit works, and Naudin's replica.
Looking at Naudin's replica, he never tried to loop the unit into a self runner. He also burned some resistors with high voltage (changing the value of the resistors) to get the "correct" output readings.

I'm closing in on my vacation soon and will not have the time to do any work on the MEG until late this year. Maybe I'm 99.99% there. Time will tell.

Groundloop.

 [EDIT] I found the MEG group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/message/1359

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 11:20:28 PM »

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2008, 12:20:08 AM »
@resonanceman,

Well, I'm not sitting on my butt regarding testing of free energy devices! LOL :-)

I remember back in 1998 (or so) when I first read about the MEG. I then thought that
it was a very nice looking equipment. Now that I actually have a unit on my desk, it looks
more like a monster. :-) I have spent a huge amount of money and time on the unit,
and I have used the best parts that where available to me. Now we have reached 2008,
that is 10 years. In ten years the Bearden's team has not managed to get the unit out
to the market. I also remember a Yahoo group dedicated to the MEG replica. (Maybe the
group still is active?) As far as I have checked, none of the members of that group got a
running o/u unit. Now here we have a lot of people trying out all sorts of configurations.
I bet that someone in this group also have tried another coil setup than me. What I'm trying
to say is that the only thing we have is Bearden's claim that the unit works, and Naudin's replica.
Looking at Naudin's replica, he never tried to loop the unit into a self runner. He also burned some resistors with high voltage (changing the value of the resistors) to get the "correct" output readings.

I'm closing in on my vacation soon and will not have the time to do any work on the MEG until late this year. Maybe I'm 99.99% there. Time will tell.

Groundloop.

 [EDIT] I found the MEG group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/message/1359


Groundloop


I checked out that  messageboard ..........not much point in  me spending  much  time there.

I  don't  have  the education to follow the math or  fancy names  for  everything . ( dyslexia ) 

That  doesn't mean that I  can't  recognise  a problem when I see one .
This   is   as simple  to me as telling  the difference between    jet black and  pure  white. 

I will  try one more time  to explain  .

For lack of a better analogy  ......... your   control  coils SHOULD be acting much like  a field effect  transistor .
They  should  be  pinching  off  the flux  in  one  direction and  making it easier  to flow in the other  direction. 
In  order to do this  they must be  relatively  unaffected  by  stray  flux from  the magnet .

In   your MEG  the   magnet is  right next  to   the place  where the  control  coil  needs to pinch off the flux .
At the point  that   the  flux  should  get cut off  you  have   VERY strong flux from the magnet . 
As long as you have  such strong flux  directly  from the magnet  at your pinch point  there is no way that it can pinch  it  off .   



That is  my final  attempt 
Do I expect you  to  listen?    NO
You  obviously   have  more education than I do ........and  more experience building .
What  could  I possably  understand   that  you  don't understand? .



One thing they  don't teach is collage  is common  sense .  ........to me this is just a common sense  problem .   


Sorry   if  this sounds a little hostile .
It is not about  you .
I get this kind of thing all the time .
If you don't have the right math  formula or the right  technical  term ........you get no respect .


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Enjoy  your  vacation



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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2008, 01:00:05 AM »
@resonanceman,

I did understand you the first time. And I DO respect and value your input.

I will try to change the layout the next time I have time to work on my MEG unit.

What I'm not sure of is the idea, that it is possible to control the flux this way.
The "accepted" theory is that if you restrict the flow a little in one direction and
"help" the flow a little in the other direction then you can switch the flux from
the magnet from one side to the other with little input and thus get a total gain
in your system. The idea is that the magnetic flux will go the least resistant
way in the core. I'm not convinced that this happens at all even if the magnetic
simulators tells that it is happening.

In my tests (so far) it more looks like we have a 50% flux field in both directions
of the core with equal strength. It seems that this flux is constant and that the
control coils just shuttle its own flux back and forth through the core as if the
magnet is not there at all. I must add that the MEG on my web is not the first
unit that I have made. I have tested with toroid cores and ferrite cores also.

[EDIT] I have added a drawing that illustrate what I'm trying to say here.

Maybe we can only control the flux from the magnet when the core is at (or
very close) to saturation?

I must also add that I do not have any college educations (or other higher educations) :-)

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 01:38:32 AM by Groundloop »

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2008, 01:50:43 AM »
@resonanceman,

I did understand you the first time. And I DO respect and value your input.

I will try to change the layout the next time I have time to work on my MEG unit.

What I'm not sure of is the idea, that it is possible to control the flux this way.
The "accepted" theory is that if you restrict the flow a little in one direction and
"help" the flow a little in the other direction then you can switch the flux from
the magnet from one side to the other with little input and thus get a total gain
in your system. The idea is that the magnetic flux will go the least resistant
way in the core. I'm not convinced that this happens at all even if the magnetic
simulators tells that it is happening.

In my tests (so far) it more looks like we have a 50% flux field in both directions
of the core with equal strength. It seems that this flux is constant and that the
control coils just shuttle its own flux back and forth through the core as if the
magnet is not there at all. I must add that the MEG on my web is not the first
unit that I have made. I have tested with toroid cores and ferrite cores also.

Maybe we can only control the flux from the magnet when the core is at (or
very close) to saturation?

I must also add that I do not have any college educations (or other higher educations) :-)

Groundloop.


Do  ANY of your MEGs  have a  space of at least   1/2  the  width of the magnet  between the   control coils   and the magnet?

In  my opinion   you should have  half of  the flux on each side   if you   have no   control  coils or non working control  coils . 
As  far as if the  theory is workable .  there are quite a few other  similar   devices out there.    I have no  reason to doubt the theory  .     
I also  have spent some time on the Bearden  website       
I think he is a man  of integrity 




I just had a flash ........       Sometimes  I  have a complete concept  flash into my mind .....I  read that Tesla  had flashes like that alot . ........ they  cuused him alot of  suffering  in his later years because he could no longer act on them .

Anyway ............how  do you  drive your control  coils?
Now  it looks to me  like the way to  drive them  is with a sharp  spike   designed to   ring  them into resonance .  ...... of  course a a cap  is needed to  go with each coil .  ...   


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have  you  read  much from this  site?

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

The  part  about  the MEG  starts on  chapter  3 page 12
There  are   other  similar   devices  in that  chapter 


gary


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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 02:02:05 AM »
@resonanceman,

The toroid version and the ferrite core versions had spacings between the magnet and the control coils.
I have also tried to put one control coil at the top and one control coil at the bottom. And I have tried
to have the control coils at the same "leg" as the output coils on the ferrite version.

On my newest MEG I drive the control coils with a modified Bedini cap pulser. The coils is alternate
switched on and off.

I will check the web site link you posted, thanks.

[EDIT] I have read the document and there are some good tips there that I can try out.

Groundloop.

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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 02:02:05 AM »
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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 02:31:15 AM »
Quote

can we affect  the flow of  the big pump at all ?



The flow of the  big pump is  constant .......it   will not change   no matter what  you  do with the small pumps .

However ....................... if you  run one of the small pumps long enough   most of the  current flow will  end up on that side .

I don't like the analogy  with water .    You are in effect comparing  apples  and atoms
The  water  will take a  very long time to  react because it is  so  heavy
The   magnetic  flux  will react very  quickly  because it has little or no mass .

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 04:52:32 PM »
The flow of the  big pump is  constant .......it   will not change   no matter what  you  do with the small pumps .

However ....................... if you  run one of the small pumps long enough   most of the  current flow will  end up on that side .

I don't like the analogy  with water .    You are in effect comparing  apples  and atoms
The  water  will take a  very long time to  react because it is  so  heavy
The   magnetic  flux  will react very  quickly  because it has little or no mass .

gary
In robotics they use a pneumatic channels switching.U have for example Y shape junction and with a small energy side blow u can make the air stream to go from one leg of a junction to the another.It works because of "stickiness" of air stream.But magnetic field is occupying all the channels it can have,because it is not unidirectional like an air stream.It tries to make a sphere,so it will occupy every channel that is in its range...i think.
In that case if u work to switch the flux from one halfsphere to the another i don't see it as a possibility :| especially when u try to work near the pole of the magnet(nearly 90deg turn of curvature out of the main magnetic axis of a magnet).What could work is to create two side channels(slitted transformer core),at the side (half way from the either pole of magnet,like equator on the Earth).
In that place lines of flux are trying to go along the curve but nearly straight line.i guess is much easier to channel this lines here to go across 1 or the other Y junction in transformet core.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 05:33:10 PM by Creativity »

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2008, 02:59:52 PM »
yes, you can extract energy from magnets. Magnets have energy inside in form of magnetic energy. You can extract that energy using a simple electric generator and moving the magnets. But if you want to extract that energy from a static device, you must to destabilize the magnetic field of the magnet using a tecnique (I don?t know what technique). And is good too, to use a special magnet that has a stronger magnetic field. I read an article that said that an inventor mixed some ingredients by error an make the strongest magnetic material ever, and obtained an infinite magnetic battery.

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2008, 06:25:10 PM »
wow gee really? so magnets produce magnetic energy?
and there is an infinite magnetic battery?

gosh, I guess I must have been stupid then eh?

Well, please enlighten us and give us some solid links,
leads, etc, to this infinite battery and its inventor?

And while you're at it, perhaps you could explain what exactly
"magnetic energy" is? I know of the magnetic field,
but not of a special form of energy that it consists of.
There is a certain level of energy contained in electromagnetic
waves, but in a magnetostatic field?

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2008, 06:30:20 PM »
wow gee really? so magnets produce magnetic energy?
and there is an infinite magnetic battery?

gosh, I guess I must have been stupid then eh?

Well, please enlighten us and give us some solid links,
leads, etc, to this infinite battery and its inventor?

And while you're at it, perhaps you could explain what exactly
"magnetic energy" is? I know of the magnetic field,
but not of a special form of energy that it consists of.
There is a certain level of energy contained in electromagnetic
waves, but in a magnetostatic field?

Sorry for my poor english, maybe I haven?t explained as well as I want. Yes, I mean magnetic field and not magnetic energy, sorry. I will try to find the article in google and if I find it I will post it.

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Re: magnetic battery
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2008, 07:28:01 PM »
Magnet battery:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4762.0.html

Surprised no one linked to it.

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2010, 01:26:24 PM »
This is similar
They have proved beyond doubt that the invention is practical and that when finally brought to a state of perfection it will introduce a new epoch in the industrial use of electricity. By Westinghouse meters they tested the strength of the current gathered from the air, and with the use of only two of the four rectifying transformers the voltmeter recorded four and one-half volts, and the ammeter, which had the capacity of recording 75 amperes, was broken by the force of the current.
The machine itself is simple. It is in reality a transformer, which is familiar to anyone knowing anything at all about electricity in its practical uses. On a high tripod, which resembles somewhat the framework of a windmill tower, is the transformer, which Mr Meyers calls his ‘absorber’. It is made up of an iron core, wrapped with copper wire. The secret of the invention is the manner in which the disks composing this ‘absorber’ are magnetized, and this secret Meyers says he found by accident while at work in prison.
What the machine, when finally perfected, will do is yet to be seen. Its inventor claims that it will greatly reduce the cost of making electricity. No batteries of any kind are needed, he says, and not a part of the machine turns upon the other. It is as durable, apparently, as an electric light pole. One of these machines, says Meyers, when perfected may be placed on a vehicle and transform enough electricity to give motive power, be that vehicle a locomotive or an automobile. He declared it can be placed on a building to furnish electric lights or power, and that the only wear will be upon the machinery which its current runs.
Meyers is 34 years old and he gained his knowledge of electricity by working in shops along the Pacific Coast. The depths of the mysteries of electricity he has not explored, but he is certain that he has found the means of absorbing it from the air and of converting it to the use of mankind.

British (GB) Patent # 191301098


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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2010, 07:53:16 PM »
This is similar
They have proved beyond doubt that the invention is practical and that when finally brought to a state of perfection it will introduce a new epoch in the industrial use of electricity. By Westinghouse meters they tested the strength of the current gathered from the air, and with the use of only two of the four rectifying transformers the voltmeter recorded four and one-half volts, and the ammeter, which had the capacity of recording 75 amperes, was broken by the force of the current.
The machine itself is simple. It is in reality a transformer, which is familiar to anyone knowing anything at all about electricity in its practical uses. On a high tripod, which resembles somewhat the framework of a windmill tower, is the transformer, which Mr Meyers calls his ‘absorber’. It is made up of an iron core, wrapped with copper wire. The secret of the invention is the manner in which the disks composing this ‘absorber’ are magnetized, and this secret Meyers says he found by accident while at work in prison.
What the machine, when finally perfected, will do is yet to be seen. Its inventor claims that it will greatly reduce the cost of making electricity. No batteries of any kind are needed, he says, and not a part of the machine turns upon the other. It is as durable, apparently, as an electric light pole. One of these machines, says Meyers, when perfected may be placed on a vehicle and transform enough electricity to give motive power, be that vehicle a locomotive or an automobile. He declared it can be placed on a building to furnish electric lights or power, and that the only wear will be upon the machinery which its current runs.
Meyers is 34 years old and he gained his knowledge of electricity by working in shops along the Pacific Coast. The depths of the mysteries of electricity he has not explored, but he is certain that he has found the means of absorbing it from the air and of converting it to the use of mankind.

British (GB) Patent # 191301098

FrozenWaterLab

Are you planning  on trying to make  one of these?

I looked into it  years ago.

In my opinion  in general it is  a modified Tesla radiant energy receiver.
Teslas was much simpler.
I believe  that with his version  Tesla was using the ionosphere as one  plate of a capacitor and the top plate of his receiver as the other.
His receiver worked 24 hrs a day but  better in the daytime.......consistent with the ionosphere above the receiver  receiving  energy from the sun.
Other things from the Tesla patent that support the ion capacitor  theory..... Tesla said  the larger the plates the better....and the higher  the  plates the better.

If  you look  at what Meyers added to the basic Tesla radiant reciever  you will see that it looks  alot like  a gray tube.
Meyer used tubes with mercury in them ......if some of this mercury was ionized by  the electricity  it would make  a lower  voltage discharge tube.......but it would still create disruptive discharges .
Both the grey tube and the Meyer collector  use a sparkgap in the tube.....Meyer  used a coil of wire around the tube as to collect the charge........Grey used large plates  with holes in them.

The magnetic  part of the Meyer system looks to me to be very similar to the Sweets VTA.
Sweets said the magnets  had to be conditioned .......he used large  pulses from a capacitor bank.
If I am right  this  conditioning  was actually destroying the magnet in  a very specific way...... the idea  is to make a  large but week  magnetic field that can   be modulated by a small input  coil......if the magnets are just a little to strong ......no vibration.......no generator effect.

My big  problem  with the Meyer  receiver   is with lightning.
If I remember right  the  unit he wanted to build to power the whole  prison  was  to be placed on top of a 400 ft tower...... that makes a very good lightning rod......
I do remember Meyer designed some  very nice electromagnetic  controls so that lightning would  be passed to ground.... but I don't  think I could trust  my life  to building  those circuits perfectly.......


gary

Edit
 
in your diagram the  zinc is very small.
That makes it hard to see how it is similar to the Tesla Radiant reciever.
I believe in the patant  the zinc is  in fairly  large plates

 

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