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Author Topic: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.  (Read 98282 times)

Offline TheOne

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2008, 06:01:06 AM »
I find that on this site: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php

Our simple patent search presented two patent applications which describe perhaps the WES technology, now publicly disclosed:
1) Publication number: 2006-244714
2) Publication number: 2007-157405

The company said that "Genepax's propriety technologies are packed in the MEA of the WES", and also said that the principle of "WES resembles that of the battery charger for mobile phones, developed by Aquafairy Corporation, which is now in cooperation with NTT DoCoMo for its development".
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For your reference, the English version of the above two publications, translated by JPO (Japanese Patent Office), are placed below.
To find the drawings of those publications, visit "Searching PAJ"
( http://www19.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/PA1/cgi-bin/PA1INIT?1174882659046 ),
click "Number Search"(right upper), click the circle at the head of "Publication number" located just above the search window, put each publication number in the search window, and click "Search" button.

http://www4.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/PAJdetail.ipdl?N0000=60&N0120=01&N2001=2&N3001=2006-244714
1) Publication number: 2006-244714
WATER ENERGY SYSTEM
The water energy system 1 has a cell in which a fuel electrode 3 and an oxygen electrode 4 are faced with each other through a catalyst 2 same as a general fuel cell. The fuel electrode 3 is formed by carrying platinum on a sintered body of fine powder of zeolite, coral sand, and carbon black, the oxygen electrode 4 is formed by carrying ruthenium on the sintered body of fine powder of zeolite and carbon black. Electric power is generated under normal temperature by supplying pure water 5 to the fuel electrode 3 and air to the oxygen electrode 4.

http://www4.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/Tokujitu/PAJdetail.ipdl?N0000=60&N0120=01&N2001=2&N3001=2007-157405
2) Publication number: 2007-157405
POWER GENERATION MODULE, POWER GENERATOR, AND POWER GENERATION SYSTEM
The power generation module 4 of a power generation system is formed by laminating gaskets 43, partition plates 44, and current collector plates 45 at both sides of an electrode assembly 42 as a center, between a pair of clamp plates 41. Pure water is supplied to an anode-side electrode plate 47 from a pure water supply groove provided on the surface of the partition plate through pure water supply holes 41c to 45c from outside of the clamp plate 41, and air taken in from an air intake formed at outer peripheral end surface of the separation plate is supplied to a cathode-side electrode 48 from an air supply groove provided on another surface thereof. A desired power generation capacity can be obtained by adding and connecting in series electrode joint bodies 42 and partition plates 44.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2008, 06:51:16 AM »
Ok I found some of the material needed to make this cell:

Black Carbon Powder - http://cgi.ebay.com/Carbon-Graphite-Powder-50LBS-Cast-Mold-Sintering-Epoxy_W0QQitemZ270248364340QQihZ017QQcategoryZ1267QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Zeolite Powder - http://cgi.ebay.com/Zeolite-Powder-5-Pounds-All-Natural-Odor-Control_W0QQitemZ270239218218QQihZ017QQcategoryZ43510QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Coral sand - http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/coral_sand.php (your petshop should have it)

The platinum and ruthenium seam to cost a lot too, Its hard to see from the patent drawing how the cell is made.


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2008, 05:28:58 PM »
www.platinummetalsreview.com

They have 2 products defined in one of there PDF

Platinum Zeolite Reforming Catalyst
CHEVRON RESEARCH CO. U.S. Patent 4,627,909
A Ptlzeolite catalyst is used during the second stage
of an improved low pressure hydrocarbon reforming
process in a dual recycle pressure-step reformer
which uses a bifunctional catalyst containing one or
more platinum group metals/Al ,0 ,in the first stage.
The catalyst is protected by a desulphurisation stage
in the process.

Ruthenium (Oxide) Powder Production
SHINCIJUTSU KAIHATSU
Japanese Publ. Appl. 611270,222
Ru oxide powder andlor Ru metal powder are produced
by reacting a Ru compound-preferably a
halide-with an alkali metal alkoxide, and hydrolysing
the resulting product. Using this method fine
powders of ipm diameter can be produced for hybrid
integrated circuits, without high energy grinding.

Ruthenium Hydrogenation Catalyst
RHONE-POULENC CHIMI European Appl. 192,587A
A catalyst consisting of a Ru compoundISi0, gives
good selectivity for the vapour phase hydrogenation
of acetic acid to produce ethanol andlor ethyl acetate.

Link: http://www.platinummetalsreview.com/pdf/pmr-v31-i3-155-160.pdf

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #63 on: June 30, 2008, 03:55:29 AM »
The patents and its content in English is already published in the first page of this forum thread.



I find that on this site: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/genepax-water-powered-car-japan-debunking.php

Our simple patent search presented two patent applications which describe perhaps the WES technology, now publicly disclosed:



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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2008, 04:17:40 AM »
I read through their english site. It really doesn't explain the system. (at least, to my satisfaction)

I was talking to a friend on the phone and he pointed out a battery called a hydrogen fuel cell from the local electronics store. It just requires distilled water top ups. It's only small at 1.2V 850ma. But it looks very similar to the eploded view of this Japanese unit. Heres a link to the Jaycar catalogue online part.
http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZM9082&CATID=&keywords=fuel+cell&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

The second part of this Japanese invention would have to be basically a HHO Fuel Cell design.
Like made by ZeroFossilFuel and others from OverEnergy.
Here's a link to a DYI cell of Zero's. He redesigned the one on the forum to be narrower, and higher and more insulated to prevent leakage that the output was much more HHO at 200W than previously at 300W.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek&feature=PlayList&p=0B222D7CA755553E&index=1

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #64 on: June 30, 2008, 04:17:40 AM »
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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #65 on: June 30, 2008, 04:28:46 AM »
The patents and its content in English is already published in the first page of this forum thread.

lol, sorry I did not see the first page, I started to follow this thread recently.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #66 on: June 30, 2008, 04:33:21 AM »
I was talking to a friend on the phone and he pointed out a battery called a hydrogen fuel cell from the local electronics store. It just requires distilled water top ups. It's only small at 1.2V 850ma. But it looks very similar to the eploded view of this Japanese unit. Heres a link to the Jaycar catalogue online part.
http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZM9082&CATID=&keywords=fuel+cell&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

The second part of this Japanese invention would have to be basically a HHO Fuel Cell design.
Like made by ZeroFossilFuel and others from OverEnergy.
Here's a link to a DYI cell of Zero's. He redesigned the one on the forum to be narrower, and higher and more insulated to prevent leakage that the output was much more HHO at 200W than previously at 300W.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cOPDTl3ek&feature=PlayList&p=0B222D7CA755553E&index=1


This is not the same technologies, what this thread is about is the conversion of water to H and return back in water. The input is the water.

What you are talking about, your input is  hydrogen & oxygen to make electricity, so you need to pay for the hydrogen and stock it in a tank. Small version use solar energy to convert the water in hydrogen, but for bigger cell you need a hydrogen tank.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #66 on: June 30, 2008, 04:33:21 AM »
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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #67 on: June 30, 2008, 04:37:31 AM »
Jaycar system mentioned is a PEM Fuel Cell, which requires H2 and O2. This is from the Jaycar description;

"This unit is supplied with a syringe and hose to hydrate the cell properly. In order to operate the cell, a low pressure source of oxygen  and hydrogen is required.The cell will convert these gases at up to 60% efficiency and and continue to run as long as it's supplied with oxygen and hydrogen."

Water is only used to hydrate the Cell.


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #68 on: June 30, 2008, 01:02:57 PM »
Madwizard:
I have not seen Stan's house meetings; could you please post them.

thanks
lefferdink

I posted Stan Meyers houseMeetings here : http://site-city.net/stan_meyer/
I don't think they are on youtube because they (4 files) are 1180 MB large.. He he.. I just found them by accident downloading torrents.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #69 on: June 30, 2008, 01:42:54 PM »
Thanks for the Stan's Videos

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2008, 08:42:00 PM »
Thanks for the videos madwizard.  Due to the sizeI am having a time trying to download them but there must be a way to do it.  If anyone has a idea please let me know.  Very much appreciated. thanks.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2008, 11:51:56 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepax
It is very clear from above and from First Principle of science it is not possible to have the Energy produced only from water alone. There must be another Chemical which is full of energy which is consumed other than water. It is good to be truthfull than take young minds into this type of incomplete information and take them for a long drive wasting valuable computer time and Energy which we should save. Gnana


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2008, 04:18:22 AM »
If you apply quantum mechanics to water molecule, it can be proved that water is continuously associating and disassociating into its primary elements, H and O. On average, we see H2O out of this chaotic state, as water. In other words, you don't get fixed H-O-H sticks in water, in quantum world. H-O-H molecule is an average state we observe.

A catalyst is a substance which increase the rate of a chemical reaction but does not consume or participate in the reaction itself.

If we take Hydrogen Peroxide (since it is commonly found in households), it continuously decay into water and Oxygen according to following formula;

2 H2O2 → 2 H2O + O2

High school science shows that Manganese Dioxide speed up the process very much hence called a catalyst to the above reaction.


In the case of Water, it is not Fancy to think of a catalyst which could potentially disrupt the balance of quantum chaos state of water and lean towards its primary building blocks, Hydrogen and Oxygen. This is what is known as Catalytic Water Disassociation. It is already a known science to use TiO2 (Titanium Oxide) as the catalyst in the phenomena which is known as Photo Catalytic Water Disassociation. Here the energy required is absorbed by light, or more precisely photons.

In Catalytic Disassociation of Water, it is quite possible for the Japs to find a substance which acts as a good Catalyst in water disassociation and nothing defies science here.

I know where most of Taught Science guys comes from, "Thermo Dynamics". It is quite possible to absorb required energy from the ambient (heat for an example), just like light is absorbed in Photo Catalytic process.

As a side note, I could not avoid stating this here. When Sir Humphrey Davey and associate scholars found that a current carrying wire causes a compass to fluctuate and dis-orient, they were amazed, and could not find a theory explaining. His Assistant Michel Faraday observed this closely, and suggested as"Invisible energy field" emits by the wire, due to the current, which interacts with magnetic field of the Compass. He added, current carrying wire generates a magnetic force (invisible) which is same as the magnetic force found in the compass needle. He was discredited on the spot, by the Academia, stating the discussion of unknown forces is Philosophy and not Science. But after 100 years from that incident, we still don't see electromagnetism, but every school kid takes it for granted.




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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2008, 04:35:44 AM »
In Catalytic Disassociation of Water, it is quite possible for the Japs to find a substance which acts as a good Catalyst in water disassociation and nothing defies science here.

I know where most of Taught Science guys comes from, "Thermo Dynamics". It is quite possible to absorb required energy from the ambient (heat for an example), just like light is absorbed in Photo Catalytic process.

Where is the required energy coming from?  That is the question.  That is what the Japanese inventors are being (understandably) tight-lipped about.


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2008, 05:00:37 AM »
Quite Understandable. They are looking into a prospective venture to earn money. So we cannot simply expect them to spit out details of their invention.
This is why we are trying to reverse engineer from the patents in the hard way  :)

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