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Author Topic: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.  (Read 94699 times)

Offline ResinRat2

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Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« on: June 13, 2008, 05:28:43 PM »
Anyone seen this?

From a company called Genepax:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/899388

or

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=8304856

I need to learn more about it.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2008, 05:55:53 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2008, 07:17:20 PM »
Excellente!

Leave it to the Japanese to thumb their noses at the NWO!  This is awesome!  Of course the car looks like a motorcycle with walls, but it is totally a "proof of concept".  Bye bye gasoline!  It kinda looks like the Smart Car.  Great for a runabout in a big city.  Unfortunately where I live there are Monster Trucks everywhere, this car would get squashed like a bug.  But now with a water car going into production we know this concept is going to work.  I'll just have to make a Monster Truck powered by water...

I feel like getting sushi tonight!

Viva La Japan!


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2008, 07:30:41 PM »
Yessssssssss SUSHI all the way!!!!!

Indeed the car looks like a trabant and a smart that ran into each other LOL :)

This really has to be a blow to the powers that be!

In the future, you probably hope for rain if you have to drive really far.

Greetings


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2008, 07:58:54 PM »
I don't quite undestand how that would ever work. They don't give any details on the build, which is always really frustrating with these kind of claims. One thing that caught my attention was that you have to actually keep adding more water in. Why would you have to do that? Supposedly it breaks up water by some chemical reaction, then runs it through fuel cell to produce electricity and not at all surprisingly, water. Heh, I mean there's your water, why do you want any more :). Maybe the chemical stuff consumes the hydrogen so you can't burn it back to water.

Second, needs air intake, for what purpose? Maybe runs on ambient heat? I don't think any chemical reaction could do that though. Maybe just for ventilation or something.

Heh, even stirling engine could run on water, provided it's either hot or cold water, as in different temperature than ambient.

Or maybe it's just another scam...


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2008, 08:45:44 PM »
Daniel Dingel invented an independent (HHO) system already in 1969.
So it is possible!!
a battery to start the HHO production on demand,
an engine running with an alternator recharging the battery...

air intake is for the combustion in the cylinders...

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2008, 08:45:44 PM »
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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2008, 09:51:14 PM »
Hmm,
seems to be some kind of new fuel cell :

http://www.genepax.co.jp/mechanism/system.html

There is water split and then electrons extracted and they somehow need
only O2 from the air and water for it...
Hmm...

can somebody tell us, how the chemical formulars are for this ?

Many thanks.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2008, 10:00:33 PM »
Can somebody who can read Japanese language please translate these pictures texts ?

http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/cell.jpg

(http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/cell.jpg)

http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/stack.jpg

(http://www.genepax.co.jp/img/stack.jpg)

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008, 06:44:30 AM »
While discussing this in other forum somebody stated that this one uses the aliminum irreversible reaction, but he did not say if he read it into the site or assumed it by the lack of information.

Not whistanding that, I am really skeptic about this, because this company would not be advertising this invention only for automotive purposes, if it works for a vehicle, it would be revolutionary for everything else.


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008, 06:51:30 AM »
Using the Google Languaje tools, I can see that they don't really say much about their System. But I realized that they made the car only as demostartive product, and they indeed intend this to be the energy of the future.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2008, 11:21:05 AM »
Here is the explanation copied from:
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/



New Fuel Cell System 'Generates Electricity with Only Water, Air'
Jun 13, 2008 19:30
Kouji Kariatsumari, Nikkei Electronics
 

Genepax Co Ltd explained the technologies used in its new fuel cell system "Water Energy System (WES)," which uses water as a fuel and does not emit CO2.

The system can generate power just by supplying water and air to the fuel and air electrodes, respectively, the company said at the press conference, which took place June 12, 2008, at the Osaka Assembly Hall.

The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar to that of a normal fuel cell, which uses hydrogen as a fuel. According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.

Though the company did not reveal the details, it "succeeded in adopting a well-known process to produce hydrogen from water to the MEA," said Hirasawa Kiyoshi, the company's president. This process is allegedly similar to the mechanism that produces hydrogen by a reaction of metal hydride and water. But compared with the existing method, the new process is expected to produce hydrogen from water for longer time, the company said.

With the new process, the cell needs only water and air, eliminating the need for a hydrogen reformer and high-pressure hydrogen tank. Moreover, the MEA requires no special catalysts, and the required amount of rare metals such as platinum is almost the same as that of existing systems, Genepax said.

Unlike the direct methanol fuel cell (DMFC), which uses methanol as a fuel, the new system does not emit CO2. In addition, it is expected to have a longer life because catalyst degradation (poisoning) caused by CO does not occur on the fuel electrode side. As it has only been slightly more than a year since the company completed the prototype, it plans to collect more data on the product life.

At the conference, Genepax unveiled a fuel cell stack with a rated output of 120W and a fuel cell system with a rated output of 300W. In the demonstration, the 120W fuel cell stack was first supplied with water by using a dry-cell battery operated pump. After power was generated, it was operated as a passive system with the pump turned off.

This time, the voltage of the fuel cell stack was 25-30V. Because the stack is composed of 40 cells connected in series, it is expected that the output per cell is 3W or higher, the voltage is about 0.5-0.7V, and the current is about 6-7A. The power density is likely to be not less than 30mW/cm2 because the reaction area of the cell is 10 x 10 cm.

Meanwhile, the 300W fuel cell system is an active system, which supplies water and air with a pump. In the demonstration, Genepax powered the TV and the lighting equipment with a lead-acid battery charged by using the system. In addition, the 300W system was mounted in the luggage room of a compact electric vehicle "Reva" manufactured by Takeoka Mini Car Products Co Ltd, and the vehicle was actually driven by the system.

Genepax initially planned to develop a 500W system, but failed to procure the materials for MEA in time and ended up in making a 300W system.

For the future, the company intends to provide 1kw-class generation systems for use in electric vehicles and houses. Instead of driving electric vehicles with this system alone, the company expects to use it as a generator to charge the secondary battery used in electric vehicles.

Although the production cost is currently about ?2,000,000 (US$18,522), it can be reduced to ?500,000 or lower if Genepax succeeds in mass production. The company believes that its fuel cell system can compete with residential solar cell systems if the cost can be reduced to this level.

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1. Prototyped vehicle


2. 120W fuel cell system


3. Internal portion of the 120W fuel cell stack


4. 300W generation system mounted in a luggage room (left)

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008, 08:53:44 PM »
Hi I found this website when searching around for more info on this car.  It's great that with this car you do not need a high-pressure tank.  I think the improvement has to do with the fuel cell, but the company is not giving out much info about this.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2008, 09:24:54 PM »
         Which website ?


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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2008, 09:29:34 PM »
         Which website ?

Sorry for my confusing post.  I meant that is how I found overunity.com.  If someone knows more about the electrolysis process or however they make the hydrogen molecules, please post details.  This is really revolutionary.

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 01:33:34 AM »
This is looking promising

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Re: Japanese Company Has A Car That Runs On Water.
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2008, 01:50:46 AM »
How many times do free energy fanatics link to the same story??  :D  :D   :D  :D  :D  :D


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