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Author Topic: I'm changing my objective...  (Read 6431 times)

esotericandme

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I'm changing my objective...
« on: June 11, 2008, 07:31:28 AM »
I succomb... a car will never run on water alone...

but...

what if there is half circle loop that goes on... maybe add another transfer of energy? physics say give to take... alright I'll give... let me wait instead of work? ya know spend up some high quality time... what if a stretch of time is a form of energy? hmm... I smoke to much weed...
let me plug in my car at night so it is powered and ready to go for the morning commute.

why is that you ask, because I am a common american who can't afford to buy the electrical drive train it would cost to retrofit my current gasoline rig.

so electrolysis has to work... in some way or another... it is involved in the system.

My revised theory...

What is needed.
A. An HHO supplement system, capable of creating a 30% increase in fuel economy.
B. An aftermarket replacement fuel tank that has been split into 2 separate HIGH PSI tanks. One for oxygen, one for hydrogen.
C. An HHO electrolyzer in the trunk, with a 8 gallon tank of water. route the gas created into another "invention".
D.This missing component will separate the hydrogen from the oxygen and pressurize them in their separate tanks to be used by the engine. This one can be setup to run on any standard 110v outlet.

Efficiency is key. Although an electric motor would be a more efficient use of the energy, I don't got the money for that kind of mod to my car... And neither does the rest of the gas guzzling peeps of america... Capitalism is dying... let it go...

We will utilize the already in place infrastructure of transpo, current new cars, used, classic... all of em... and we'll replace gasoline with hydrogen... hydrogen we get from the electrolysers that zap H20.

in a nutshell, you have to install a new fuel tank, and 2 electrolyzers. one that is run by the car to improve fuel usage, and one that you plug in when the vehicle is parked to "refuel". how long the car has to be plugged in will be determined when we know how much hydrogen we can store in the available space we have... a 10 gallon gas tank. How much hydrogen can be fit in there.

Please tell me where I go wrong here...


Unless you point something out I've missed... this seems to me, to be a plausible model, that falls within the realms of the laws of thermodynamics and the laws of physics.

the only thing that would change is my gas bill would get rerouted to my electric bill. and I'm completly ok with that.

what makes this impossible?

WilbyInebriated

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 07:44:07 AM »
hi, since you are willing to change objectives, take a look here.
http://gas2.org/2008/05/14/a-truck-that-runs-on-coffee-grounds-and-how-wood-gas-powers-cars-with-garbage/
more here
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml
from FEMA??!!!??  must be a conspiracy... ;)

mmmm,the smell of coffee instead of the reek of unburnt petro. who knows, maybe you can get some eco friendly coffee shop to sponsor you  ;)

triffid

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 04:49:20 PM »
Yes this is really great stuff,Thank you very much.I used to set up college labs for the" destructive distillation of wood "experiments back when I was an undergrad.Even though the results were smelly.You could burn the vapor coming off the wood.Triffid

enki09

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 05:03:42 PM »
Maybe the secret to this is in the electrical charge and how it is produced or distributed to the electrolysis cells....

utilitarian

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 05:04:19 PM »
the only thing that would change is my gas bill would get rerouted to my electric bill. and I'm completly ok with that.

what makes this impossible?

I think that is a great idea.  One thing you mentioned that is probably not workable is using an extra gasoline tank to store hydrogen.  Hydrogen is very light and so it must be compressed a great deal to have any decent amount of it.  That requires a very thick and heavy tank.  So you need to calculate having to carry the heavy tank against efficiency gains of hydrogen.  You will still come out ahead, but the added weight is a drawback.

innovation_station

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 05:29:41 PM »
what is wrong with on demand under vaccume????


no storage ....   it can become dangorous when it is stored also you can make a split on demand cell...  with seprate gasses  that uses little current  just split the pos and the neg lol....  and see the results for your selves

also try to un ballance the + and the - in the plates you may be surprised ....

i am currently testing -+-+-   wow for a bang !!!!   lol   far more powerful gass...... 8)

why??   cuz im producing more hydgron than oxy.....

a simple way to tell the gass you are producing ...  small foamy bubbles not so powerful still burns but....  bigger more large bubbles far more explosive

to test this out flip the polarity...

you shall see!!

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WilbyInebriated

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 05:45:46 PM »
I think that is a great idea.  One thing you mentioned that is probably not workable is using an extra gasoline tank to store hydrogen.  Hydrogen is very light and so it must be compressed a great deal to have any decent amount of it.  That requires a very thick and heavy tank.  So you need to calculate having to carry the heavy tank against efficiency gains of hydrogen.  You will still come out ahead, but the added weight is a drawback.

a 15 gallon tank full of gasoline is going to weigh approx. 90 pounds minus the tank weight. the corresponding hydrogen tank is going to be about 60 gallons but only weigh around 34 pounds minus the tank. MOST H tanks are made of a composite, like carbon fiber... so you don't need to calculate having to carry a heavy tank against the efficiency gains of hydrogen. you will still come out ahead, way ahead. there is no "added weight" of any consequence.

enki09

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 06:50:41 PM »
Instead of a hydrogen tank why not just have a water tank? With an on-board steam reformer the whole mess of hydrogen storage and distribution is solved. Steam reformers are the easiest way to introduce H2 fuel into the world marketplace.

Super God

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 06:54:02 PM »
Instead of messing with hydrogen, which is dangerous if not handled properly, why not explode water directly using a plasma spark?  Much easier and you can reuse the water as well.  s1r9a9m9 posted a video on his engine running on water directly, check it out!  Water CAN be made to run an engine.

enki09

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2008, 07:18:05 PM »
where would the spark come from? How much energy is required to produce it? Would flashing the water into steam require less energy than is available through the expansion of that steam? That goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics and so it seems kinda shaky.

WilbyInebriated

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 07:18:18 PM »
Instead of messing with hydrogen, which is dangerous if not handled properly, why not explode water directly using a plasma spark?  Much easier and you can reuse the water as well.  s1r9a9m9 posted a video on his engine running on water directly, check it out!  Water CAN be made to run an engine.

plasma and high voltage is dangerous if not handled properly... six of one, half a dozen of the other.
the methods are many, the fundamentals are few.

innovation_station

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2008, 07:48:41 PM »
ooooohhhhhoooowwwww


 ;D


now u guys got me goin.....    oh hummmm

just what i need!!!!!!

lol

back to the old steam turbine  ;) ;) ;D

i just happin to have one of thease laying around ...  lol

i hope ya know what im thinking i love moveing parts...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Erf7Fn--324
just loose the pressure washer ..... then how about a hydroluic pump on the end to a hydrastatic drive train  ;D 8) :P  then it it is your best guess

pretty simple .....   verry effective and simple in design  and super high efficient   :P btw verry low matiance ......

did sombody say a tractor engine....


hummmmm...

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triffid

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2008, 08:10:58 PM »
I'm with super god on this,just put water in the tank explode it inside the engines' cylinders and recycle the water to get 1500 miles to the gallon.Really!!!! Triffid.

triffid

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Re: I'm changing my objective...
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 08:13:40 PM »
I am able to pull water out of the air itself so any water losses could be easily replaced.Put water in the tank and turn on the ignition.Thats how simple it should really be.Triffid