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Author Topic: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.  (Read 66480 times)

TMGhost

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2008, 01:51:20 AM »
Quote from: Jokker on June 16, 2008, 11:52:46 PM

Hi to all !!
I have started to make a replica of what Meyer did.
I Think this I my 5th test?.

What I have done so far:
I have created 9 Pipe, 360mm tall and 25mm wide, they have an inner pipe
with 1 mm space between them.

I also have made the control box, there are no secret about the box, it just create
Pulls in a lot of different freq. And I have tested the box, with the scope..

In my first test I was using an Atmel AVR Mega8  one chip computer, but it had some
Problem to generate freq above 1khz, so for now, I?m using the ?box?..

Made some test with the pipe:

If I connect 12 volt to one pipe just a sec, my Volt meter show 7 Volt and my Amp 16
(Max amp for my transformer = 9) when I then remove the power, my Volt meter
Quickly went down to 4 volt, and a little slower down to 2.4 volt, but from there, very slow..
So, the pipe works fine as a capacitor?

I think this is why the production doesn?t stop immediate when I remove the power.

The problem I have is to find that ?resonance? to do that I must have something to
Measure? like the volt, amp.. something..

Some idea ? what shall I look fore ?

In the prev. test I?ve done, Iv used 12v DC pulsed with box, when I measured the volt on the pipe
It only got 3.9 volt, but I got quite a lot of hydrogen (test with a lighter big bada booom.lol)

Some thinking:
If we think of this like a stereo with a mic, if a start the mic close to the speaker, I?ve got a
Mmm don?t know the word in English, but I think you know what I meant..

If I have quite small volume on the stereo, I must put the mic quite close to the speaker to get
The ?resonance?  BUT.. if I start with a strong volume, I immediate got a big  ?resonance? 
Then I can slowly turn down the volume, and still maintain the ?resonance? ..

If you try this at home, you will see that you must turn down the volume almost to nothing
To break the  ?resonance??

Regards Christer / Sweden


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Visual Echo

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2008, 09:44:34 PM »
Quote from: Jokker on June 16, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
why not to use a audio out port to generate signal

Somebody find out if "AC/DC" produces as much gas as "Air Supply"
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Jokker

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2008, 11:16:30 PM »
Why not to use ... ?

First thing about signal from audio out is... low power (laptop) even for transistor driving current, other thing is that u need to be good a computers ... there are very few programs and these do not work well. Programming is way complicated yea ?
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TMGhost

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2008, 12:39:03 AM »
Ok.. have redesign the control box, and put in a opto to separate the lo volt from my 260v DC

I have put a INPUT RECTIFIER DIODE right to my 240v ac and then got 260v DC, 10 Amp. from that to a BIG capacitor
to get some nicer volt?s. Have 2 new Transistors (MJE13009) 400v and 12 Amp.

So, the box will control the opto?s and they the power transistor, one for the pulsing
And one for the 0 to 260v control to adjust the effect

Do anyone now a easy way to maintain
the Volt, but reduce the amp ???

New test..
Want to see if I?m right with the ?sound? theory, that is, if we put in a lot of volt and amps
Then we got the ?vibrating? effect, and when we have it, THEN we can slowly turn down the
Volt and amp, with the same production rate, ore hopefully just something that is possible to measure with the volt meter?

Regards Christer / Sweden

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TMGhost

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2008, 12:44:23 AM »
HeairBear: Big thanks for the Meyer drawings, haven't seen them before !!
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ggx9

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2008, 01:06:26 AM »
I don't remember where I saw it, but a 250Volt DC pulse 1 microsecond long with a 7 millisecond delay between pulses will produce far more HHO than an equivalent amount of continous DC power. A fast rise time may or may not be important. I have not tried this.
For a precision signal source (I don't think it will give the above mentioned waveform) go to www.educate-yourself.org and look for the NC tone generator. 30 days free and no complicated programing.

Richard
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TMGhost

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2008, 03:09:38 PM »
Need some help....
Have i understand this right ? have read about it on wikipedia, but cant say I'm so much smarter  lol


A Transistor can be turn on or off, just to control the gate

A Thyristor, when you enable that, it cant be turn off before the volt that run through the Thyristor is Alamos zero, right ? so using that with DC is not possible ?

A Triac ? Same ?  or can this be turned off when i want ? or is it same as the Thyristor ?..

Regards Christer / Sweden
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Jokker

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2008, 08:45:14 PM »
Transistor is like a switch .. switch what is controlled from base or gate ( open & close)

But thyristor is not a switch or amplification element coz it will close when too much current passes ....
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professor

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2008, 01:39:49 AM »
Thought you need DC to do that?
Unless of course you use a Aluminium and one steel electrode and Baking soda or other catalysts  thus forming a Half way rectifier.





Quote from: Jokker on June 15, 2008, 08:56:55 PM
In my opinion there is no need to believe all what is told or written.
Also u can see amazing results by plugging your cell into wall. 110 v 60 hz will work like a charm.


I'm into this "overunity" thing. It is interesting and attractive.
On the other hand i want see a results (made by other ppl) to build it up. So far iv seen nothing so convincing!

Im quite good at electronics... so i can easily design circuit with needed output.
But i want to be sure that this thing will work. yea its tricky, coz there are no 100 % guaranty. 
 
By the way it will be very easily to design very universal circuit by using driving and amplifying, by using amplifying there will be big losses... and so on and so on.

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professor

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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2008, 02:30:21 AM »
I read somewhere and saw a Video on U-tube where someone claimed to produce hydrogen and oxygen seperation by simply submersing a strong magnet into a water- vinegar solution.
I tried that and left the neo. magnet in that solution for a day and nothing happened.
However I saw in a Video that the north pole will push the bubbles (don't know whether Hydrogen or Oxygen ) to the right and when you reversed the mag.Polarity the stream of bubbles where pushed to the left or vice versa.
It could also have been that the oxygen was pushed to the right by  the south pole and the Hydrogen pushed to the left by the North Pole or vice versa.
The answer needs to be found. I am only a electronic tech, this is above and beyond my knowledge.
 



Quote from: triffid on July 04, 2008, 11:21:17 PM
I found out a little more about that magnet trick.It seems that hydrogen is replled by a magnetic field but oxygen is attracted to a magnetic field.So the magnet wants to tear up the water molecule apart anyway (all by itself to a certain degree anyway).In my experiments I used an electric current assisted by magnets.When I used magnets by themselves I got no bubbles.This came from an article on chemistry that I found on the web.Triffid
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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2008, 05:57:41 AM »
I have an old Soundblaster Live! card in my aging lab PC. It has a front panel headphone jack that puts out very low power even at full volume. but it has a 1/4" input (just right for a guitar cable)
I have an RMS DMM that measured the frequency of a signal (program set for 923Hz and meter reads 925Hz)
not bad for a free signal generator! my limit is 20KHz due to the soundcard.

I would like to try testing this in a small plastic container (like a tic-tac box) and check it with no magnets, then another test with these 1"x1"x1/2" N50 NdFeB blocks I just got...

my meter measures freq to 2Mhz max so for now that's the limit of my experimentation....

making sure I got this right, frequencies of interest so far (that I am currently capable of working with)
923Hz
600Hz
software lets you choose from square wave, sine wave, triangle wave... should be set for square waves? if so, what duty cycle? (default is 50% max is 99%)
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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2008, 08:12:03 AM »
For some good information on thyristors go to http://en.wikipedia.org

I think you will find what you need there. Just put thyristor in the search box.

Richard
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TMGhost

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2008, 01:08:34 AM »
OK. i have installed the new transistor, this one can drive 400v and 12 amp, i needed to modify the control box a little to, removed the N MOS, and installed a OPTO to drive the new
transistor.

I don't plan to use all the power (240v and 10 Amp) more than some sec, just to let me messure the volt and AMP's on the pipe, in different freq. its a little scary to use 240v and water brrrr

The purpose of this experiment is to test if i can find some fluctuation in the volt in different freq. then try to lover the volt...

Like hunting av mosquito with a shootgun... hopfully i hit something...

Regards Christer / Sweden
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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2008, 07:28:33 AM »
Hi TMGhost,

Without a heatsink on your transistor and running 10 amps (you didn't say the expected voltage drop across the transistor), I'm betting that baby will cook before you can get a stable reading on a digital multimeter.
Good luck and please take care!

Richard
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Jokker

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2008, 02:56:08 PM »
About transistor ... It is in switching mod so u can add 50 % more power, coz it working only "open time" time when current passes junction. My suggestion is to test with smaller current first. If u will exceed maximum power first thing u will notice is momentary temperature increment and if u will keep it going then it will just burn inside. So test with lower currents first for longer period of time, you may want to know temperature inside is much higher so u need to run it for longer time to notice changes. depends on material .. so far as i know 300 c is max but im not sure. 

BTW how u made inductor ? how many turns and so on. Maybe you can gimme some tutorial sites ? Or you just used oscilloscope by "try & error" technique. So far as i know induction element .. as smoothing element depends on voltage and current. so if u will change input u will get changes in output. 

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