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Author Topic: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.  (Read 42034 times)

Offline markolonius

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2008, 04:14:17 AM »
I was trying to do that  923 hz experiment.Me and a friend of mine.He built the circuit but the scope said no signal was coming out of his device.I could never build the timer,too many tiny connections.But once the electrodes were seasoned(a couple of hours)My audio signal generator
produced bubbles at the lowest volt and amp readings the knobs would go.I found out too if you put magnets in the device like so: Magnet(ns)+ electrode  Solution  (-)electrode Magnet(ns).
Magnets need to attract each other.One near each electrode.Then the reaction went a lot quicker and produced more bubbles than when the magnets were removed.triffid

interesting thing about magnets.  btw did you use distilled water, and how did you hook up your audio signal to your terminals?

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2008, 05:55:25 PM »
For My experiments I used baking soda solution(I didn't know any better),When I knew better I used tap water,not distilled.Hey I just had a crazy thought .Why not use the audio output from the radio or cd player already in the car?That would mean different stations would give you different outputs of h and o.I really had not thought of this before(the car radio audio output that is).Maybe this could be a breakthrough?Triffid


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2008, 06:01:15 PM »
Sorry,I did not answer all of your question .I used wires with clips from radio shack to hook the pos to one electrode and then the neg to the other electrode.I bought a bag of them (6-10) for about $5.00 one time and still had them around.I think they cost more now?Triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2008, 06:42:37 PM »
weird. i'm hooking it up the same way and not getting any results. z.monkey told me to use distilled water because tap water is conductive. and that i'm using such a small current the water will just conduct the current and i'll see no results.  how big was your current and voltages if i may ask?  i don't even really know how to measure voltages and currents of an audio signal....


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2008, 06:54:32 PM »
Did any of you try to burn any of the gas bubbles that you were creating? If you are using either ac or even high frequency pulsed dc you will boil the water very rapidly and the bubbles you see are the result of boiling, not H2 and O2. The water will heat at the surface of the electrodes first. It is a really cool effect if you just plug nearly pure water into a wall socket (with 2 electrodes in it). To split water using high frequency you need frequencies in the range that would be analogous to very hard UV radiation. Takes a lot of power to produce those.

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Offline triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2008, 01:18:28 PM »
Atfter a while my electrodes were seasoned?I remember it didn't take very long.After a while I got fine bubbles at the lowest possible settings on the knobs.I did work on this for months.I used a less than $20.00 voltmeter from radio shack.I'm hopeing it didn't take months to season the electrodes.In most cases I've read about the longest it took to season the electrodes was a day or so.But there usually is a period of time to break the electrodes in .Once the bubbles started coming it didn't take much power at all.My advice,leave it running and watch it! Triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2008, 04:00:24 PM »
By the way what about 923hz ? Have u seen some results ?

John Worrell Keely got results in the 19th century with 42.8Khz, a frequency
used by Bob Boyce in his electrolysers (or rather, water fracturers). But
Puharich, I believe used 600hz.
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2008, 08:07:58 PM »
I always assumed I was getting H and O because I could tell that the bubbles were twice  at the negative electrode as compared to  what the other  electrode had.But I never tried to burn them.But I am very sure they were not steam bubbles because the solution always stayed cool.I could not get the explosion of gases that the Paulo device had claimed.So he ended up looking a little bit misleading.I heard of a couple of other people on the net who tried this experiment.I could never build his device as revealed in the original papers.None of us got the results he claimed to have.Never the less I did learn the magnet trick and that high freq electrolysis may be the way to go.Triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2008, 08:14:49 PM »
Did any of you try to burn any of the gas bubbles that you were creating? If you are using either ac or even high frequency pulsed dc you will boil the water very rapidly and the bubbles you see are the result of boiling, not H2 and O2. The water will heat at the surface of the electrodes first. It is a really cool effect if you just plug nearly pure water into a wall socket (with 2 electrodes in it). To split water using high frequency you need frequencies in the range that would be analogous to very hard UV radiation. Takes a lot of power to produce those.

By shaking water u will no create bubbles on the surface.  ::)
But yea by heating water(very hight temperatures) u can separate H2O. 

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2008, 08:20:33 PM »
You can tear water apart by heating it to three thousand degrees F.Just about every chemistry text has that piece of info in it.Some say you can do it at just a thousand degrees F and a sonic vibration.
During war world two when wood gas was used to power cars and trucks.A small stream of water shot inside the furnance improved the quality of gas.Wood gas is mostly carbon monoxide.Google up "wood gas " for some interesting reading.Triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2008, 12:32:55 PM »
A heli-arc welder has a high frequency output which is in the 8MHz range. The voltage output is only about 20 to 70 volts, but the arc can jump a considerable distance so that it is not necessary to scratch the electrode to the work surface to initiate an arc when welding. I'm not sure, but I think these welders use a sort of tesla coil technology to generate the high frequencies. I know they have a coil, a capacitor and an air gap (.018 inches).
I will try connecting an automotive spark plug with the power level turned all the way down and see what kind of continous spark I get. Then I would like to try it under water and in a mist to see if I get an explosion.
Has anyone tried using a heli-arc welder as a power source for any of these experiments? That is, either to generate HHO or water direct into the engine.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 11:21:17 PM »
I found out a little more about that magnet trick.It seems that hydrogen is replled by a magnetic field but oxygen is attracted to a magnetic field.So the magnet wants to tear up the water molecule apart anyway (all by itself to a certain degree anyway).In my experiments I used an electric current assisted by magnets.When I used magnets by themselves I got no bubbles.This came from an article on chemistry that I found on the web.Triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2008, 07:54:43 PM »
I am trying to do something with this new piece of info.Just knowing that a magnetic field wants to tear water apart brings to my mind new ideas.A device could be put together that tears water apart without electricity.Just uses magnets but I haven't done this.Need to learn about magnetic flux I guess.Triffid


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2008, 07:48:09 AM »
think about how a plate cell has a magnetic field in the water, and how magnets do also, when your lining up your fields you let the small amount of current that normally couldnt do work, do work because of the greater field.  hypotheticly speaking lets say hho production needs a value of 3. and you have 1 from electricity and 2 from perm magnets. the sronger the field, the faster the atoms can go between electodes, the bubbles travel along the magnetic field somewhat. ive never experimented with magnets in an electrolyser, but ive often thought about them. specificly how eletromagnets can lift a car when a regular magnet of the same size cant. why ive thought of magnets in a hho cell is when you look up at the stars what is there? a whole lot of ou. maybe not over unity but definately "even unity"! the earth goes around the sun just fine on magnetic fields. why cant other shit... so what do yall think, an electo-magnet-electrolyser...

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