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Author Topic: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.  (Read 45600 times)

Offline EMdevices

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2008, 01:57:47 AM »
HeairBear,  is that diagram from one of Stanley's patents?   

I tried a tubular cell like his, and it worked great just from a car battery, no fancy circuitry or alternators or PWM, etc.  All that stuff might have been a way to regulate the amount of gas made, since PWM is the way to go.

I have a problem with the description in the diagram under the bifillar inductor.   That inductor is only a good inductor for the "common mode" current, and since there is none, it's useless as such.  It's function seems to be more as a capacitor due to the proximity of the two wires.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2008, 03:08:48 AM »
Those diagrams are from Stan's independent study found here... http://www.aquapulser.com/docs/independent.pdf

Good point about the chokes, read the study and you might find answers or it might to confuse you more. It's not easy to read but enlightening. I think Stan's devices are based upon Tesla's single wire power transmission.

Did your tubular cell produce any heat in the water?

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2008, 04:36:44 AM »
I did not do any temperature tests, and the water seemed to warm up  a bit but hard to tell with so much water.   I had a 1 gallon plastic jug of water and dropped in a thin stainless tube  within a tube capacitor (3 or 5 millimeter spacing, and 20 cm length) and boy was I surprised.  Just connecting to a 12 Volt car battery that thing was gushing out so much hydrogen  (and maybe oxygen too, not really sure of the reaction but explosive as hell)   I'm working with a few other guys on this, as it seems to be the "thing" now a days due to the high price of gas....  I was kind of disillusion a bit since all along I thought Stanley Meyers had produced the effects seen in some videos on youtube simply due to the electronics, but I guess it's just plain old electrolysis.  However, I'm still holding out hope that electronics might improve the efficiency somehow....

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2008, 07:27:31 AM »
From what i've read - understand that more than about 2V per cell is counterproductive.  So if you use higher voltages, use enough cells connected in series so they only get 2V each.

I also understand that surface area is the big factor - and also getting the bubbles to release from the plate.  This is possibly why pulsing DC works better.  But consider ultrasonic vibration, or a small pump.

It would be interesting to experiment with a rotating insulator between the plates, to function as a wiper blade and move the bubbles off the plates. 

Also remember that certain metals, such as magnesium, act as a catalyst that causes water to seperate into H & O.  For example, a lathe operator must never use a water soluble cutting fluid on magnesium, because it creates too much hydrogen ...

Put it all together, and maybe use the resonant frequency of water - somethings got to happen!

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2008, 02:59:52 PM »
hey jokker,any idea how much output using the 110v/60hz outlet?I'm really serious.Thanks,Triffid

Ar ya serious ??? heh ?
I guess it depends on you amperage blocking system in your house mainly. But i guess u can get 15 A  out easily. So it makes 230V 15A 
It will make water boil in seconds.


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2008, 03:00:49 PM »
thanks for that insight greendoor, off to the hardware store I go  :)

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2008, 03:12:41 PM »
Also ... why not to use a audio out port to generate signal...
it can be amplified easily ... and it is very editable.  ???

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2008, 10:15:19 PM »
@Jokker and all
i am trying this idea of using the soundcard output.  its just i'm stuck now on connections.  right now i have an old linux box with this little program i found called siggen.   pretty neat actually.  and also i am using xoscope to as a digital oscilloscope with the mic in on my soundcard. 

siggen can be found here: http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/jj/linux/siggen.html
xoscope can be found here:  http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/

i plugged in some old headphones and split the wires.  and tried to read the voltages but i'm getting nothing.  i'm about to connect it to my simple 2 plate setup and plop it in water to see if anything happens.  i read some in this doc: http://merlib.org/files/pgfed/D6.pdf
it says at 923Hz is when water goes crazy.  when you apply 923Hz to water it creates a pressure of 100 atm? kinda like boiling water.  I just find it interested that no one pays attention to that.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2008, 11:52:46 PM »
@Jokker and all
i am trying this idea of using the soundcard output.  its just i'm stuck now on connections.  right now i have an old linux box with this little program i found called siggen.   pretty neat actually.  and also i am using xoscope to as a digital oscilloscope with the mic in on my soundcard. 

siggen can be found here: http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/jj/linux/siggen.html
xoscope can be found here:  http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/

i plugged in some old headphones and split the wires.  and tried to read the voltages but i'm getting nothing.  i'm about to connect it to my simple 2 plate setup and plop it in water to see if anything happens.  i read some in this doc: http://merlib.org/files/pgfed/D6.pdf
it says at 923Hz is when water goes crazy.  when you apply 923Hz to water it creates a pressure of 100 atm? kinda like boiling water.  I just find it interested that no one pays attention to that.




So ur getting it on...   I'm looking forward

"Have you tried to loop frequencies, amplitude and signal form...
But also u need to build up a analyzing part, coz as im been told at school that there is no point to learn if u are not understanding stuff ur learning...
It will be very "perfect" if ull find a way to catch the thing u want. And maybe it got different ways to show it out. Increasing voltage or hight hydrogen output... maybe changes in resistance between electrodes.
U will need a system what will notice a change, and do something for ya (finding the right frequency).

Im pretty sure that it is very hard to archive but i guess by this way u will see results.  " ( before reading a reply)

But yea im pretty sure that it will be very hard to create something working right, without seeing output. Oscilloscope will help help you much!
By the way what about 923hz ? Have u seen some results ?

Keep it up  ::)

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2008, 12:06:47 AM »
Actually seems pretty attractive idea  ::) Cheap ...

It is late atm. ill try to catch it up tomorrow.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2008, 12:21:29 AM »

So ur getting it on...   I'm looking forward

"Have you tried to loop frequencies, amplitude and signal form...
But also u need to build up a analyzing part, coz as im been told at school that there is no point to learn if u are not understanding stuff ur learning...
It will be very "perfect" if ull find a way to catch the thing u want. And maybe it got different ways to show it out. Increasing voltage or hight hydrogen output... maybe changes in resistance between electrodes.
U will need a system what will notice a change, and do something for ya (finding the right frequency).

Im pretty sure that it is very hard to archive but i guess by this way u will see results.  " ( before reading a reply)

But yea im pretty sure that it will be very hard to create something working right, without seeing output. Oscilloscope will help help you much!
By the way what about 923hz ? Have u seen some results ?

Keep it up  ::)

uggh i typed this whole thing up and my internet died when i hit post.... so i lost it all.  lets see if i can type it all up again alittle shorter.   umm
i haven't actually experimented yet.  i finally put together an old computer and turned it iinto my testing linux box haha.  got the software and all working today.  problem i have is i dunno what the voltage is coming from the output of the sound card. my meter reads 0 for some reason.  maybe i need an amp or something.  what i have is an old pair of headphone wires that i'm gonna connect to 2 electrodes.  and i'll plop em into a tank and see what happens.  using a square wave at 923Hz.  probbably nothing because theres no power from what i see.

about the 923Hz.  read up on page 21 of that D6.pdf i gave a link to in my last post. explains almost everything. and lots of other useful info too.

i'll keep ya up to date if anything interesting happens.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2008, 03:26:50 PM »
uggh i typed this whole thing up and my internet died when i hit post.... so i lost it all.  lets see if i can type it all up again alittle shorter.   umm
i haven't actually experimented yet.  i finally put together an old computer and turned it iinto my testing linux box haha.  got the software and all working today.  problem i have is i dunno what the voltage is coming from the output of the sound card. my meter reads 0 for some reason.  maybe i need an amp or something.  what i have is an old pair of headphone wires that i'm gonna connect to 2 electrodes.  and i'll plop em into a tank and see what happens.  using a square wave at 923Hz.  probbably nothing because theres no power from what i see.

about the 923Hz.  read up on page 21 of that D6.pdf i gave a link to in my last post. explains almost everything. and lots of other useful info too.

i'll keep ya up to date if anything interesting happens.


Im too tired to get on with this thing. Finally school ended  ::)

So far as i understand u are trying to use PCs as oscilloscope and signal generator ?
I guess sound card is perfect for signal generating coz it is meant to do it. By the way audio out is very variable. voltage should be in V and sound volume is also driven by voltage (signal) but mainly by current.
By using PC sound card as signal generator... you should be aware that after all it is meant to play audio, due it it may have many effects u do not need...

Looking forward ! keep it going  ;)

By the way i found something about 923 Hz experiment
http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/buerger1.htm

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2008, 04:30:06 PM »
I was trying to do that  923 hz experiment.Me and a friend of mine.He built the circuit but the scope said no signal was coming out of his device.I could never build the timer,too many tiny connections.But once the electrodes were seasoned(a couple of hours)My audio signal generator
produced bubbles at the lowest volt and amp readings the knobs would go.I found out too if you put magnets in the device like so: Magnet(ns)+ electrode  Solution  (-)electrode Magnet(ns).
Magnets need to attract each other.One near each electrode.Then the reaction went a lot quicker and produced more bubbles than when the magnets were removed.triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2008, 06:58:46 PM »
The audio card of a PC puts out AC only with very little DC bias (if any). If you use a VOM or DVM you will see something on the AC setting but please note that they are designed for 50~60hz operation. O-scopes are required to see the output reliably. Voltage out will vary from 0~ 5vac. You should use the sound card as a driver for a power transistor which in turn drives the plates.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2008, 09:06:08 PM »
The audio card of a PC puts out AC only with very little DC bias (if any). If you use a VOM or DVM you will see something on the AC setting but please note that they are designed for 50~60hz operation. O-scopes are required to see the output reliably. Voltage out will vary from 0~ 5vac. You should use the sound card as a driver for a power transistor which in turn drives the plates.

I wanted to tell the same... that u cant measure sound card signal output by using ordinary multimeter, because... first of all is is signal and is is hight frequency 1. They say that oscilloscope is way more accurate, i really dunno why.
But using audio output to switch transistor is not good idea at all... yea it will be much more effective but is is again whole idea. To separate H  and O from H2O by using low current. If u are up for it then u should use ordinary final audio amplifier, it will be good if it is linear. But i really dunno about tease coils... i guess they are for voltage amplification. 
Sometimes when ill get some time ill try to put something together.  :)

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