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Author Topic: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.  (Read 45116 times)

Offline gazzzwp

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Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« on: May 30, 2008, 08:09:08 PM »
Having seen quite a few videos on 'youtube' which impressively show water rapidly vapourising into HHO I am amazed that the overunity principle has not already been comfortably achieved.

For example looking at the videos made by Ravzz who posts on this board, according to his ammeter, 1.0A was a typical reading and I presume from looking at the circuitry in the video that the voltage is in the order of 12v.

This means that the input power Amps x Volts is extremely low.  Yet from looking at the enormous amouts of vapour produced it looks as if the amount of hydrogen given off would power a 2-3kw fire at least. 

Am I missing something here - I was thinking of going ahead and building the Lawton circuit next week, to try for myself, however in the meantime any feedback on this issue would be useful.  Without a substantial power output the whole exercise would be pointless.

Gazza

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 04:19:28 PM »
Gazzwp: Ravi was putting that voltage and amperage onto the brushes of an alternator. What the actual output was, he didn't show. Very easy to do. Remember, you are preamping and pulsing the voltage before it goes into the alternator, which is the amplifier. Check out the vids by waterforfuel and how to rebuild an alternator on YouTube.  Hope this helps. Voltar


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 08:28:46 PM »
test, ,just wanted a link to this thread.triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 08:44:46 PM »
I tried to build the paulo device which was posted on the internet.I was able to use a scope and determined that the one a friend had built was not working properly.I tried to make my own but my fingers were too big to make the tiny connections.So I bought a audio signal generator off of ebay.
I then started doing experiments using the audio signal generator as a power source.As I took the freq up from 1hz to 1100hz ,the resistance of the water cell went up.So I got bubbles but never a huge explosion of bubbles as the paulo device plans promised.As the freq went up the size of the bubbles grew smaller and smaller.It appeared that the volume of gas generated stayed the same.The size of the bubbles would get smaller and smaller as the freq went up.Finally I concluded that a audio signal generator is not the right piece of equipment for this experiment.I work in a major electronics firm and after discussing some of the problems I had with the engineers here,They said I needed a constant voltage power supply,with variable freq controls.As the freq went up the voltage of my generator went down.I never got that constant voltage generator.I used baking soda soln,then learned that the paulo device used only plain water.So I tested again but got the same results.Triffid


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 08:50:05 PM »
I did find that after a while I got bubbles at the lowest voltage and amp readings I could get on the signal generator.I guess the electrodes were well seasoned by that time.So I concluded that the high freq electrolysis of water is very efficent.I shut the generator off,no bubbles,I turn it on ,I got bubbles..At the lowest settings the knobs would go.Triffid

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 08:50:05 PM »
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Offline Jokker

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 08:56:55 PM »
In my opinion there is no need to believe all what is told or written.
Also u can see amazing results by plugging your cell into wall. 110 v 60 hz will work like a charm.


I'm into this "overunity" thing. It is interesting and attractive.
On the other hand i want see a results (made by other ppl) to build it up. So far iv seen nothing so convincing!

Im quite good at electronics... so i can easily design circuit with needed output.
But i want to be sure that this thing will work. yea its tricky, coz there are no 100 % guaranty. 
 
By the way it will be very easily to design very universal circuit by using driving and amplifying, by using amplifying there will be big losses... and so on and so on.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 09:18:46 PM »
Hi Jokker

We need to talk!

I have just built Dave Lawton's PWM Circuit - completed it today - just waiting for the 12vdc power supply to test the circuit then I will build the cell.  I am thinking about using Zelscope - the software that lets you use your soundcard as an oscilloscpe.  If you have any experience with this I would be grateful.  Basically I need a cheap oscilloscope as I am trying to do this on a low budget.  How far have you got with your experiments?  Anyway - I will leave it there for now, except to say that in my previous career I did a lot of elecronics work - i am somewhat rusty, so I would appreciate your analysis of Dave Lawtons PWM circuit (without alternator and using bifilar would choke).  See pics.   Please email me if you want to on gazzzwp@yahoo.co.uk

Gazza

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
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Offline gazzzwp

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 09:20:03 PM »
Here is the other pic

Offline HeairBear

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 09:56:29 PM »
Believe it or not, the device that is shown in a few videos of Stan's Rotary Pulse Generator (with alternator and tubes) does not have any PWM built into the device. The black box is simply just a variable transformer and a couple of meters, nothing more. The other device with the adjustable gap spacing was the one with the PWM and chokes inside the black box. I have never seen a video of it working but I assume it worked as well as the rotary device. Frequency may still play a role in the way the devices work but I think there is an underlying fundamental that most people are ignoring. Stan kept saying "Voltage Potential" without any current and is not resistive in nature. What circuits have this ability? The only circuit I have seen to date that does this is the Avramenko plug.

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 10:08:51 PM »
I think he was referring to resonant voltage.  Even though the experts claim that series resonance (L-C) is well understood, it is if you think abut it a mysterious thing.  I recall some 26 years ago when at college doing a lab experiment on series resonance wondering what a strange phenomena this was.  Resonance in mechanical systems is also intriguing - running your finger around a wine glass until it rings - even to the point where the glass becomed fragile and cracks - anything vibrating or resonating at the correct frequency will shatter apparently - Tesla apparently did this to a skyscaper building.

So is it far beyond the bounds of reason that if water molecules resonate, the ,moleculor bonds will fracture to cause a release of the hydrogen and oxygen - perfectly feasible to me but then again I am no scientist - just a curious experimenter who would love to be free from the exploitation of those in power.

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Offline HeairBear

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 10:25:47 PM »
Stan's PWM...

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1162/stanspwmtq6.jpg)

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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 10:27:07 PM »
And Rotary device with no PWM...

(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1945/stansrotaryyb5.jpg)


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 11:19:50 PM »
It late at my place and iv got school  tomorrow :-\

This circuit above is guide basic. But idea is not bad. 
Im not sure , by using this circuit u can bet increasing amplitude.  ???

U can get increasing amplitude by using sawtooth signal, it is very simple, but it got major disadvantages, coz it need to be linked to the gate time circuit. Im pretty sure that it is very hard to understand, so ill build up some sketches tomorrow.






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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2008, 12:00:09 AM »
hey jokker,any idea how much output using the 110v/60hz outlet?I'm really serious.Thanks,Triffid


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Re: Fracturing Water Using High Frequency Electricity.
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2008, 01:47:42 AM »
Here is what the PWM card connects too...

(http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6185/stansvicfw6.jpg)

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