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Author Topic: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex  (Read 125354 times)

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Inquorate bessler theory update
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #227 on: May 07, 2010, 11:39:25 PM »
Noob here.. probably off topic but thought I might make a few comments...  I've read alot of imformation on Besslers wheels including eyewitness statments from individuals who actually saw the device... (and please correct me if I get some of the facts wrong (and spelling as well   :))  but what I understand about his wheels is as follows (the first wheel which was unidirectional)...

-Size (first wheel)  diameter ~4'  width ~9"
-Weights - cylinder shaped... about 4 pounds.. Bessler allowed people to hold them.... but wouldn't let them touch the ends (Critical to the design?  Tapered? Hooks? Hollow?)
-The device would take 4 to 5 rotations to get upto running speed of 52 revolutions per min from a dead stop...  can a rate of accelleration be calculated from this?
-The sides were covered with cheese cloth to prevent someone looking at the internal workings at one point... and wood at others - this suggests the system would work in a non closed fashion so do the weights have some track system to run on?
-Noise - many individuals noted 8 distinct "impacts of the weights hitting the frame".... and were very specific about that number...  Why were they sure that the eights impacts were different?  shouldn't they have all sounded the same?  I'm sure other situations could exist where they could differentiate the eight distinct sounds... but could it imply that those eight impacts occurred rapidly ... then a pause then eight more?   
-The later versions (which frankly I'd rather have the first one... more power  ;D ) were bi-directional....  which stands to reason that one side of the wheel was a mirror image of the other..
- The motor could lift a 40# crate using pulleys at a 4:1 ratio with only a 2 to 3 revolutions per minute speed loss....   (overunity implied but also should give some clue as to the unbalanced weight ratio...)

Now I'm going to show my lack of knowledge ... but every system I've seen shows items working in pairs...  Why?   I'm not a engineer...  but it seems to me that in order to raise a weight on one side of a wheel you better have at least 2 or more weights on the other side to overcome friction.  Taking the weight difference necessarry on one side to maintain movement you should be able to calculate ratio's.... (1 ball requires 2 to lift...  2 need 3...  3 need 6...  etc) (Gut feeling here but I believe an odd number of weights would be more likely to product results and how can an even number be unbalance?).  Also,  if you are going to maintain a weight ratio that will mean the weight traveling upward will either need to travel at considerable more velocity to maintain that ratio or travel considerable less distance (or even some combination of both)...

anyway... these were my noob uneducated thoughts....   critized condemn and or praise as desired...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #228 on: May 08, 2010, 05:57:30 AM »
Ok....  I'm noticing a problem with this site... cant stop thinking about it.
 
Imagine a wheel within a wheel... spoked like a bike pedal assembly the inner wheel only engages when rotating in one direction.

Imagine a leaf spring with supporting notches for weights to rest in that would catch on the outter edge of the inner wheel...which has slotted compartments in it  this spring can fling 16 pounts as long as the outer weight isn't in place as the weight winds the leaf spring it shortens eventually allowing the end weight to fall off the spring.  The other 4 are catapulted into a wall that absorbs the energy rotating the inner wheel in the opposite direction (thus spinnging the outer wheel as well).  Mean while the 5th weight that has falling into one of the slots is rotated along the wheel  untill it falls back onto the holding slot of the leaf spring starting the process over again.  Remember on some of the diagrams the cross shaped object on the out side?  a counter weight to keep the inner wheel from spinning to far so the weights are aways some where within the 12 to 5 o'clock position.    the eight distictive thuds I mentioned above?  4 weights hitting the stop board... then falling back to to the leaf spring loading area...  maybe I should move this to half baked....

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #229 on: April 15, 2011, 06:09:34 PM »
Very one in the world has to see this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6gaN8gRs5A

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #229 on: April 15, 2011, 06:09:34 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #230 on: January 24, 2013, 04:01:05 PM »
Hello  :) I have discovered a new principle and I now know why people cannot solve the problems with the Bessler gravity wheel.

The main reason people cannot solve the problems is this FACT! : it is NOT a gravity wheel.

The good thing is it is Perpetual Motion. It does not break any of the so-called laws of physics.

I used a bicycle wheel some levers and weights all you need now is the bumblebee principle and away it goes. ;)

I will not give you that yet because I am writing book with plans.

But I will tell you this :  Centrifugal force is your friend and do not worry to much about friction.

There are some very clever people on this site, so come on think different,  Bessler will be famous for the right reasons.
 

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #231 on: January 24, 2013, 05:00:06 PM »
@Bumblebee:


I respect your discovery and research ~ but are you willing to share at least a photo of your build?


I'm just interested in more clues. . . .


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #231 on: January 24, 2013, 05:00:06 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #232 on: January 26, 2013, 04:05:27 AM »
@Bumblebee:


I respect your discovery and research ~ but are you willing to share at least a photo of your build?


I'm just interested in more clues. . . .


truesearch
I am more than happy to give you more clues..... Thank you for the encouragement , here's two the fulcrum of the levers is on the outside edge of the wheel and it is set at 90 degrees to the main axle.

I have decided to share my discovery.  I am hopeless with computers I would have to describe things and others would have to do the diagrams  ;D I discovered this many years ago and got paranoid anyway...Do I need to start a new subject thread.....HELP!!!

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #233 on: January 26, 2013, 04:13:22 AM »
Rubbish, I'm willing to bet you've discovered absolutely nothing, and will just play people for the 'secret'.
So are you saying you are not interested ? why are you on this site ?

How much is the bet ?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #234 on: January 26, 2013, 11:08:46 PM »
hi guys, been working on this over at energeticforum...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3703-mechanical-engine-20.html

here's some of my videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPi4-fpMBJ0&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSGUmM0IV2Y&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsnXO3eKlzE&


Love and light

  Inquorate,
 Someone named Peter lindeman along with rlortie have built something similar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEsqipy5ik0
 
  I'm getting ready to build when I get my tax return. Some in here who harass me haven't built so...
Still, have deleted all my videos but uploaded a new one. Am trying to make Heron's Fountain flow perpetually.
 Still, do believe this is a skeptics forum because those are the only credible people here  :o

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #234 on: January 26, 2013, 11:08:46 PM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #235 on: January 27, 2013, 04:09:04 PM »
One of the reasons I am here is to stop people being mis-led by fraudulent or inaccurate claims.

You've already made one by saying "The good thing is it is Perpetual Motion. It does not break any of the so-called laws of physics".

Perpetual motion does break the laws of physics, so your device cannot work as claimed.

And yes , I'm prepared to bet any amount you'd care to lose to back up the assertion.
Ok I will take back the Perpetual Motion and say... It will run until the parts wear out or I remove the control arm. It still doesn't break any of the so-called laws of physics.

I have enough money thanks.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #236 on: January 28, 2013, 02:43:59 AM »
I am more than happy to give you more clues..... Thank you for the encouragement , here's two the fulcrum of the levers is on the outside edge of the wheel and it is set at 90 degrees to the main axle.

I have decided to share my discovery.  I am hopeless with computers I would have to describe things and others would have to do the diagrams  ;D I discovered this many years ago and got paranoid anyway...Do I need to start a new subject thread.....HELP!!!


Yes please start a new thread and put Bumblebee in it ;) Put a link to it also in this thread. As for diagrams - you can use paint at the beggining - others will redraw it if needed. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #237 on: January 28, 2013, 03:25:09 AM »
I am more than happy to give you more clues..... Thank you for the encouragement , here's two the fulcrum of the levers is on the outside edge of the wheel and it is set at 90 degrees to the main axle.

I have decided to share my discovery.  I am hopeless with computers I would have to describe things and others would have to do the diagrams  ;D I discovered this many years ago and got paranoid anyway...Do I need to start a new subject thread.....HELP!!!

your claim and style is old news. countless others have made the same claim giving us useless clues. i doubt you'll be any different.
i'd say open source your discovery or don't share it at all. these little clue games does not help and im
sure most of us who have been in search for many years are sick of it.
im not saying you're lying but you have to understand this happens all the time.
prove me wrong and open source it.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #238 on: February 26, 2013, 07:19:59 PM »
But I will tell you this :  Centrifugal force is your friend and do not worry to much about friction.
Yes, indeed!

A few hints from the eyewitness accounts:

The wheel
a) can rotate in both direction, so the interior has to be constructed symmetrically.
b) needs a push to go, so it needs a bit centrifugal force in order to start rotating.
c) accelerates to no more than 26 rpm, so the centrifugal force is also the clipper.
d) uses weights of cylindrical shape.

And in addition
e) Bessler worked as organ builder and watchmaker so he must have had a lot of experience with round things and also with rotating round things.

Now here are some equations by Jovan Marjanovic and the conclusion thereof:

»Because energy invested to move the satellite from orbit 1 to orbit 2 was equal to ΔEp and according to formula (16) it is equal to Ek1, for the same amount should total energy of orbit 2 be greater than total energy of orbit 1. However, according to formula (22) that amount is smaller, which means that there is energy loss of orbit 2 equal to ¾ Ek1. It also means that the law of conversation of energy is not valid for satellites if they change orbits

So what could it mean regarding the known facts about the Bessler Wheel when the law of conservation of energy is not valid as soon as centrifugal and centripetal (gravitational) forces are involved?

Don't know yet but one thing is for sure, while turning a wheel perpendicular to the ground, on the bottom the centrifugal force and the gravitational force sums up, whereas at the top of the wheel the centrifugal force counteracts the gravitational force, so something attached to the wheel (or within the wheel) would be weightless at a certain speed while passing the top (like these boats dislodged from suspension and therefore have for a brief period no physical contact with the wheel).

Any further ideas?


Supplement: Let's say the wheel turns clockwise. The weights (at least two opposite to each other) are heavier passing the bottom than passing the top. Then the task would be to achieve that due to this difference a weight going up on the left side is rather pushed towards the center whereas a weight going down on the right side is rather pushed towards the rim. This way the wheel would be dynamically over balanced at the right side due to the centrifugal force acting on its weights but not when the wheel is at rest. Maybe that will never work, but at least the concept is simple.

Let me know if it works nevertheless. :)
« Last Edit: February 26, 2013, 10:50:10 PM by Zeitmaschine »

 

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