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Author Topic: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex  (Read 113581 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2008, 05:52:17 PM »
sounds like a good idea to me, they would do for now, until i can get some weights, problem is, I have no sand, unless i use soil?

Of course any soil from any garden or sidestreets (lol) would do for these tests till the correct weights arrive.
Use a kitchen scale to make uniformly weighted bags or whatever you need.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2008, 05:54:09 PM »
Of course any soil from any garden or sidestreets (lol) would do for these tests till the correct weights arrive.
Use a kitchen scale to make uniformly weighted bags or whatever you need.

your starting to make me excited more about my wheel now lol

right im gonna see what I can do...


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2008, 05:55:18 PM »
Weights: sugar,rocks,water, tools...

Containers: small plastic bags,small medicine flasks,bottles....

Strapping: Ductape, Electrical wire, sewing wire, rubber band....

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2008, 05:59:13 PM »
Weights: sugar,rocks,water, tools...

Containers: small plastic bags,small medicine flasks,bottles....

Strapping: Ductape, Electrical wire, sewing wire, rubber band....

Weights: water,

Containers: small medicine flasks..

Strapping: lid lol

I might try that, if I can get 8 small medicine flasks :p


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 06:10:35 PM »
Hay Alex

 There are many things that can be used as weights. A cut up bar of soap, butter knives from the kitchen, if you have a fishing box you have lead fishing weights. Heck! I once show some people how to do leather tooling with rocks and sticks that I just picked up from the ground.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 06:22:18 PM »
Hay Alex

 There are many things that can be used as weights. A cut up bar of soap, butter knives from the kitchen, if you have a fishing box you have lead fishing weights. Heck! I once show some people how to do leather tooling with rocks and sticks that I just picked up from the ground.

you will not beleive what i have just found out about my wheel, you just wont belive this.

when I move a lever out at the bottom its takes about 5 times more effort than pushing it in at the top, I can move the lever in at the bottom with a piece of paper holding it with one hand, at the top you have to push quite hard, meaning a heavy weight can lift a light weight, i will soon post a video of this, my wheel has overunity power...

Im off to college now for music, im not quite sure how i have achieved this so if you can find out by the pictures, that would be great, wont be too long, cya

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 06:41:00 PM »
Alex,

Waiting for weights, making wheels of paper and cardboard, using bags of sand for weights, etc! 

Come and man! is your resources, "hands on skill" and innovation really that limited? Sorry but I find your "YouTube" presentation lacking!

Weights, in increments of ounces can be found at at any department store in the sporting section called fishing sinkers. Need something heavier, head for the exercise section and pick up some barbell disks. I use 2-1/2 and 5 pounders.  I have over a hundred pounds worth. Locate your nearest metal and fabricator dealer, these usually operate a recycle yard. where you can by gears, axles, sprockets, bearings and what ever your innovation can utilize. You then purchase it by the pound!

Nuts, bolts, all-thread, small bearings, pulleys, aviation cable, etc can be found at any Ace Hardware store or its equivalent.  I often go to the above describe places, they will ask "can I help you?" I say no! I am simply browsing until what I can utilized finds me.   

Cut your wheels or disks from MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard)  select a thickness from 3/8" to 3/4" thick, The larger the disk or amount of weight calls for thicker discs. Industrial grade MDF comes in 48 X 97"  sizes, you can cut two 48" disks from them which you cannot do with a standard 4 x 8' sheet. My 70" wheel is made of laminated !/2" material for a disk thickness of 1"...

IMO you will never subjectively prove anything playing with inappropriate and unsubstantial construction material. You have already stated that "it turned a couple of turns before it fell apart. Build yourself or trust some one else to build you a test stand and wheel. I recommend do less than 3' in diameter. Something large enough that you can readily get your hands on and in. Use at least a 7/8" axle and appropriate pillow or flange bearings.  I prefer Flange as I believe they are more stable and aesthetic looking to the eye.

You can use such a test bed and wheel over and over until the disks begin to look like Limburger cheese, then simply replace the disks. I have three such test beds for different applications, one is made from an old clothes dryer giving me an open face with no axle impediment (split axle) .  the other is simply a rectangular box that will hold up to a 3' wheel supported by pillow bearings. This unit is used when "Lay axles" ( Aka jack shafts)  are required for sprockets, chain and or gearing.   

Rule # 1:   Don't take the chance of missing the possible attributes of a design, simply because you did not build it of  craftsman quality and material capable of meeting the structural need.

Now you are learning why I fabricate for those with viable designs, but do not have the skills, resources, and innovation to carry it out for themselves.

Remember my Motto;  For me WM2D stands for Wood, Metal, & 2 Days... 

Ralph       
« Last Edit: May 15, 2008, 07:28:53 PM by rlortie »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 06:51:59 PM »
Alex,

[meaning a heavy weight can lift a light weight,]

A heavy weight can lift a light weight???? Now Jokingly, you are going to college and finding this out with your home experiments? Please explain, as I have never experienced a situation where a heavy weight would not "over balance" a lighter one. I have emphasized over balance, as we all know it depends upon the placing of the fulcrum.

Ralph

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 06:55:47 PM »
Stefan,

 [A topic you are watching has been marked as a sticky topic by hartiberlin.]

Been here and lurked for the last three years, never seen this before, can you explain to a "Newbie" what a sticky topic is?

This is as bad as having someone ask me "how long has this wind been blowing?"  I tell the I do not know as I have only lived here since 1974.

Ralph

Hi Ralph,
a sticky post  is a thread that remains at the top of the forum board,
so when nobody is posting in it ,it will not go down in the index, but stay at the top.
I put it on sticky, if something is important and also new users should see it although
there were no messages added lately..

P.S: AM now back at the PC.
I have to recreate the model with WM2D more accurately by using all the same
lengths of rods.
I have to somehow do it all via copying and pasting.
Just putting in a few rods without having them all the exact same length
is getting too much wobble and nonworking levers...

@Alex,
thanks for the video.
But if your principle really worked, why do you have to push it pretty
tight with your hands ?
Shouldn?t it have almost spun from itsself ?
Yes, try to buy some tablesalt or sugar
and put this in some small plastic bags and use some Tesa tape
to fix these bags onto the rods.
Then you will probably see, that it will balance out.
I am pretty sure now already, but I will keep on trying a few hours
more.
If this will not work out, then I will try to see, how I can incorporate spings
into this design to store the energy movement of the weights.


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 07:12:37 PM »
@Stefan;

Could you show screenshots of what you're currently have so I can try a sketchup doodle.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2008, 07:53:06 PM »
Alex,

[meaning a heavy weight can lift a light weight,]

A heavy weight can lift a light weight???? Now Jokingly, you are going to college and finding this out with your home experiments? Please explain, as I have never experienced a situation where a heavy weight would not "over balance" a lighter one. I have emphasized over balance, as we all know it depends upon the placing of the fulcrum.

Ralph

lol sorry, I meant that a lighter weight can lift a heavier one and sorry if my footage is not good enough for you...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2008, 08:58:05 PM »
Alex,what are you waiting for ?
Just show the backside in a picture or video and attach
your name to it.
We already all know, that it is your wheel, so what are you waiting for ?

Okay, I will post a few still pics, of what I am currently working on.

Just got a hang out of it, how a pulley system works in WM2D.
Now I hopefully can easily prove, that the Milkovic pendulum system works
overunity.
Stay tuned.

Still fighting with rotating complex objects in WM2D down to 1 degree
accuracy...
I try to first design one quarter of the wheel and then try to copy
this side and try to rotate it... but the rotation can only done by hand
and not with numbers...damn..

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2008, 09:26:33 PM »
Here are 2 pics.
the first is the Alex design.
But when I run the simulation
the blue bigger rods will fall down all in all
in their position versus the wheel,
so this just runs for about 3/4 of a revolution and then reverses.

Maybe it is not yet accurately designed.
I have to retry it better with all rods being the same length and all
angles being the same, etc...

The second pic is some of experiment with spings,
but again, I must know, how to fix the springs at exactly the same
angle and length, etc...I need to redo it all
by just designing first one quarter of the wheel
and then copying this part and then rotate the whole
part into 90 degrees rotated and the place it back into the wheel.

Stay tuned.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2008, 09:55:39 PM »
Things to do:

Attach a rim and other wheel
Attach weights

You do not need a picture of my wheel to see how it works, I have shown you alot  already, if you could just be greatful for what I have shown you and wait until im ready then I will post the rest...


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2008, 10:13:52 PM »
Here is a movie of my trial:

http://overunity.com/alexioco/alexioco_harti_20.avi

It is a 640x480 res Divx.com codec encoded AVI movie.

So everybody gets the hang out of it,
how it is suposed to work...

Well, if I add guidance for the blue bars (beams),
then the wheel will not turn..
but I have to try real slots, but I first have to try out, how
I can design these slots onto the blue bars...

Regards, Stefan.

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