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Offline Alexioco

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Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« on: May 14, 2008, 04:31:22 PM »
Besslers Wheel By Alex

I have spent sometime studying Besslers wheels and I am going to go through the ones I used to combined to get a possible working wheel.

First I would like to say thank the members/staff etc... for the information this forum has supplied for me. Also I praise our Heavnly Father for the incredibly inspiration he gives me...

MT 10: This picture has been drawn backwards and upside down, when correctly positioned the arms/levers being curved focus all the of weight to the end of the lever creating a more stronger effect, so MT 10 can be used in the wheel, also note that with the levers being curved, then can be positioned like the levers in MT 31 so the curved part can rest on the axel allowing the weight at the end to not face upwards when resting.

Example:
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2uh22px.jpg)

MT 14: The connection by the small weights lifting the cross tensions is a good idea, but there is to much friction on the pull and there is too many weights being used to pull just one cross tension up, the bottom weights serve no purpose, they just hang there, but there is something good to say about this which is that the weight connections are good, but something is missing as will be seen?

MT 15 This wheel works in the same way as MT 14 except that longer poles are used which is good because the weight in a wheel that further from the axel is the main weight to turn the wheel.

MT 25: This wheel is good, and this time the weights at the bottom are doing some work as well as the weights at the top.

Now gather all of the good points in the above wheels.

MT 10: Curved Levers
MT 14: Cross Tensions
MT 15: Making the cross tensions longer than the weights used for pulling
MT 25: Both top and bottom of the wheel are doing work to shift the weights

Now let?s start putting this wheel together?

MT 10: (I have not curved the levers as they will be hard to see as my drawings progress)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2zipn9i.jpg)

MT 10 14:
(http://i26.tinypic.com/vcuq2c.jpg)

MT 10 14 15:
(http://i30.tinypic.com/29uwvb8.jpg)

MT 10 14 15 25:
(http://i31.tinypic.com/f0zrlc.jpg)

This is how the wheel works:

When the inner weight falls out at the top and the inner weight at the bottom falls in they drive/push the long tension in at the bottom and pull out at the top; weights acting in pairs and also pair of pairs acting together. The weights on the long tension can also be heavier than the inner weights. Reason for this is the strength of the mechanism due to its position of levers?

A Video shall be posted soon of the wheel in rotation soon.

I am not happy yet though as all of the important wheels are not in it.

The following MT?s are needed for this wheel in my opinion.

MT: 11 MT: 18 MT: 19/20 MT: 27

If I were to improve the wheel even more I can add MT 19/20 also using curved levers like MT 10 and it will look like this.

http://i31.tinypic.com/1178h1h.jpg

Now here is something very interesting I found about MT 27

? Bessler wrote:
MT27... This is the previous model slightly larger and altered: A are the levers interrupted at B and having a heart-weight at C, and D are the straps, or cords, and chains. It needs no further, lengthier explanation. This view shows what the thing might do if several things of this sort were placed next to one another along an axle-shaft.

Well its obvious it wont do anything on its own unless somthing was put with it, so what does beesler really mean? Well if you place this mechanism 4 times around an axel/shaft, look what you get...

(http://i28.tinypic.com/2uf6e12.jpg)


If anyone wants to build this wheel, then they must ask me on PM or Email.
Also there are a few problems which are not shown in the drawing which I will not mention here, rather, you will have to ask me privately, really its not important unless you are building in which you will become stuck.

P.S For showing you this, I would greatly appreciate anything interesting about theses wheels I might not know and any other help would be great, thanks...
« Last Edit: May 14, 2008, 05:01:09 PM by Alexioco »

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Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« on: May 14, 2008, 04:31:22 PM »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 08:50:27 PM »
Many thanks Alex !

I will now begin to simulate these wheels with WM2D.

What is the heart type thing ?
Is this a weight ?
Are there only rods in these wheels
or also ropes ?

I am going to use now only rods for the simulation,
because it is much easier to setup.

I still don?t understand how to design pulleys in WM2D.
Maybe someone can teach me how to do this ?

Do you have to first use a wheel and then click the pulley
icon and fix the pulley rope to the wheel ???


I don?t know if you all did see my last movie from yeasterday night,
where I simulated the basic wheel of P-Motion, which does not work
and always balances out...see here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4589.msg96537.html#msg96537


Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 11:06:55 PM »
Okay, I have set this topic sticky and renamed the old
topic to:
Alex's MT Combination

So I think it is best this here should now be the main new topic to discuss Alex?s theory
further over here as it also has the right topic name:
Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex

Now back to the WM2D simulation.....

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 11:16:21 PM »
I don't know how practical wm2d but you could also try Sketchup in combination with SketchyPhysics. The advantage is that it's true 3d and imo shapes are easier to build and what not. I'm currently playing around with it...here's some showcasing

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=sketchy+physics


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 01:03:42 AM »
Broli,
cool,
definately the way to go in 3D then !

This is what all gravity machine builders have been waited for !

But for today still on with WM2D.

Many thanks for this great tip.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 01:03:42 AM »
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 06:57:15 AM »
Stefan,

 [A topic you are watching has been marked as a sticky topic by hartiberlin.]

Been here and lurked for the last three years, never seen this before, can you explain to a "Newbie" what a sticky topic is?

This is as bad as having someone ask me "how long has this wind been blowing?"  I tell the I do not know as I have only lived here since 1974.

Ralph



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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 08:35:49 AM »
I tried now to model the
MT 10 14 15 25 version in WM2D,
but still having difficulties.

Well, it seems nothing is working without springs.

Also a second principle could be used:
centrifugal forces in sync with the wheel rotation.

But this is even harder to build, as you have to
sync the inertia and RPM of the wheel exactly to the
centrifugal forces from weights on rods inside the wheel.

I am too tired now to finish the modeling.
Will continue this evening and post then my results as a video.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2008, 10:33:11 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 02:27:04 PM »
A video of my wheel is now possible as some of the lever mechanism is fastned and wont fall, I dont have weights yet but I can attach marbles to pretend they are weights infact its funny because you dont even need weights, if the levers were more heavy that the wheel, the wheel would run without weights  :D
« Last Edit: May 15, 2008, 02:56:02 PM by Alexioco »

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 03:45:37 PM »
Here is the footage of my wheel, you dont see the mechanism as it will give to much away on building it as I want some protection as you assume you understand that and also to many people on youtube will see how it works so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2Y3zF5zPM

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 03:49:01 PM »
It looks nice, I want to have a go at it with sketchup  ;).

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2008, 04:01:18 PM »
Yeah ok, I can't wait until I have the weights Im so excited about it...

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2008, 05:19:12 PM »
Yeah ok, I can't wait until I have the weights Im so excited about it...

Hi Alexioco,

Can you use small (or appropiate size)  plastic bags filled with wet sand as weights?

rgds,  Gyula


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2008, 05:41:12 PM »
Hi Alexioco,

Can you use small (or appropiate size)  plastic bags filled with wet sand as weights?

rgds,  Gyula

sounds like a good idea to me, they would do for now, until i can get some weights, problem is, I have no sand, unless i use soil?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2008, 05:43:49 PM »
You also seem to have marbles, just those in the plastic bags. You have come this far and can't even be creative on using improvised weights  :-[.


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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2008, 05:47:37 PM »
You also seem to have marbles, just those in the plastic bags. You have come this far and can't even be creative on using improvised weights  :-[.
lol i dont have enough marbles...

i have about 10 and i need atleast 4 for a good weight, any other ideas?

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Re: Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex
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