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Title: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: capacitor70 on May 03, 2008, 06:09:12 PM
I made bedini motor replication but it does not give me overunity

Input : 250mA @ 11.65V
Output : 120mAmps @ 12.01V

How to make overunity???
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Feynman on May 03, 2008, 06:59:22 PM
pese and plengo both know alot about Bedini motors. I would ask one of them.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: shruggedatlas on May 03, 2008, 07:04:42 PM
Here is an interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh5AqQ4_xw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh5AqQ4_xw&feature=related)

Watch second half.  This guy worked on it for a long time, and is a obviously a strong free energy believer, and he says he got one up to 53% efficiency and that is all.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Ren on May 03, 2008, 11:25:19 PM
53% efficiency? Thats pretty low for someone who has been working on it for a "long time." My first replication made from scraps had more efficiency than that.

@Cap 70. For starters, you dont have a Bedini replication there, its a simple pulse motor nothing more. It should have a trigger and power coil, preferably wound on the same form, but they can be separate. Neos arent spec, neither is the relay (although you may get some interesting results with it when configured correctly). And is there a battery charging on the back end? Apples and Oranges.....
Bedinis simplified school girl circuit ISNT an overunity device, the circuit will always have losses. You cant look for overunity in the circuit alone.

If you want to study the device more, then you need to build it to spec for starters, and do some load tests and study the effects it has on the charging battery. If you want so called "overunity" you will have to scale things up dramatically.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: shruggedatlas on May 04, 2008, 12:25:54 AM
If you want so called "overunity" you will have to scale things up dramatically.

Why would a larger device produce overunity, where a smaller device would not?
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Ren on May 04, 2008, 12:33:33 AM


Why would a larger device produce overunity, where a smaller device would not?
[/quote]

Because it will produce more mechanical power.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: shruggedatlas on May 04, 2008, 01:11:41 AM

Because it will produce more mechanical power.

But wouldn't it also require more energy to run?  For example, in a car, technology being equal, a larger engine produces more power but also consumes more fuel.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Ren on May 04, 2008, 02:10:04 AM
 :D Yes thats true. But you have to understand that when it is done correctly more on the front end means more on the back end. So you will need a larger batteries etc but the effect is still the same. Perhaps you are forgetting that there is a battery charging on the back end, whereas a conventional engine whether electric or ICE doesnt have a form of recovery for the energy spent to achieve rotational torque
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: capacitor70 on May 04, 2008, 02:38:27 PM
I tried bifilar wound coil it doesent make any differance. Putting diode in pulse pick up coil to dischrge the
back emf it increases efficieny by 5%. Mechanical output, RPM I am getting with bifilar coile is much high nearly 8000 to 10000 RPM @ 300mAmps 12V.

I have not tried to take output from this mechanical power, it may take me near unity.

Another machine today I build with relay it gives me 8 to 13Amps output @ 12V and input is 0.02Amps @ 12V. This is meter fault, meter does not responce properlay for high voltage spikes

Machine design
1. Relay NC connection is giving supply to relay. When Relay becomes on as soon as it disconnects its own
supply so it becomes off and agin the cycle is repetated this way it starts oscillation.
2. Simillar to bedini design connect battery with diode to take back emf to charge it.
3. Tried with replacing meters, Both meter shows same result some times DMM hangs. I dont have Analog Ammeter.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Feynman on May 05, 2008, 02:59:53 AM
Can you post the schematic you are using? 

Thanks
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: capacitor70 on May 05, 2008, 06:02:19 AM
Here the  ???overunity ??? relay generator.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: DMMPOWER on May 05, 2008, 06:25:25 AM
Do you people have any ideal what you are doing? If you really want to build a bedini motor you must make sure that
the oscillating magnetic field is greater than the stationary magnetic field,  and when designing the electro-coils
never exceed the length to the inner heighth of your electro-coil, by doing this your electro-coils will be very
efficient. only then will you be able to produce a free energy device of the second kind.

p.s.  designing motors of the third kind ! eliminating the BEMF that all electro-coils produced.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: capacitor70 on May 05, 2008, 07:24:33 AM
Quote
when designing the electro-coils never exceed the length to the inner heighth of your electro-coil

Please explain....from diagram
Neo Magnets used  are capable to atract 2 inch apart metal object.. This much power is enough ??
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Feynman on May 06, 2008, 03:01:15 AM
Capacitor, this is the Bedini schematic that I have.  Also I think you should send a private message to "pese" , I think he might be able to help you.

(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7598/p1000685smallzl6.jpg)

Posted under Fair Use.  (C) 2007 Cheniere Press from Free Energy Generation by John Bedini and T.E. Bearden.
For educational/non-profit purposes ONLY.  Commercial use / redistribution prohibited.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Magnethos on May 10, 2008, 07:19:47 PM
Hi to everyone. I have made a video where you can see how to obtain an overunity from a Bedini Motor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7aX6OK5hw
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: DMMPOWER on May 15, 2008, 10:32:19 AM
Hi here is a super electromagnet pulse coil design . 
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: otto on May 15, 2008, 11:33:10 AM
Hello all,

@capacitor 70

In the first moment I saw the picture of your Bedini motor replication I thought Im looking at a TV deflection coil!! - the inner coil.

The outer coil is wound over 2 cores.....

Sorry for jumping into here.

Otto
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: gyulasun on May 16, 2008, 11:54:10 AM
Hi here is a super electromagnet pulse coil design . 

@DMMPOWER

Could you share some more practical pieces of advice on the core type, core shape and how the permanent magnet is embedded into the core?  (is the magnet shorter than the core like you showed, how airgap is involved between core and magnet, etc.) 
Perhaps a picture upload?  Here in the thread you can upload smaller than 50kB files but at this link you can upload up to 5MB:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=upload  with files type like: zip, rar, doc, jpg, gif, png, avi, mov, mpg, mpeg, qt, swf, pdf, odt, rm, ra

Thanks,

Gyula
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: capacitor70 on May 16, 2008, 07:09:03 PM
Hello all,

@capacitor 70

In the first moment I saw the picture of your Bedini motor replication I thought Im looking at a TV deflection coil!! - the inner coil.

The outer coil is wound over 2 cores.....

Sorry for jumping into here.

Otto

I have seen TV yoke coils, I thing these coils are useful for making "cole window motor".

The rotor is taken from VCR motor it is already having three windings on it, These windings are not used at all.
Two relay coils are used in this. one coil acts as pulse pick up coil and another as drive.
See video on youtube search for "Capacitor70"
I tried using 5 coils as drive and one coil as pulse pick up, it doesent make any change in input or output.

Another coil I made it gives me very high rpm vibrating my work bench at 200mAmps and it is giving 50% energy as back emf.

With the same coil but rotor is changed to little more weight its back emf is reduced to 5% also speed.

My observation
1. Use less weight for rotor.
2. Use stronger magnets.
3. More number of magnets.
4. Proper coil design also important.
5. Multiple coils doesnt make big differance.
6. If you put magnet in revese direction on coils so that it repail the rotor. When you start it, It makes vibrating motor.
7. Alternating N - S - N - S - N magnet placement does not make any big differance only speed reduction is observed.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Ren on May 18, 2008, 11:53:04 PM

My observation
1. Use less weight for rotor.
2. Use stronger magnets.
3. More number of magnets.
4. Proper coil design also important.
5. Multiple coils doesnt make big differance.
6. If you put magnet in revese direction on coils so that it repail the rotor. When you start it, It makes vibrating motor.
7. Alternating N - S - N - S - N magnet placement does not make any big differance only speed reduction is observed.

Thats funny Capacitor70, I found the following results when building Bedinis devices:

1. More weight on the rotor the better, (within reason) as long as it is well balanced.
2. Use weaker magnets for faster switching, stronger magnets such as neos can only work in certain configurations
3. More magnets, but keep the correct spacing
4. Proper coil design IS important, Your right about that.
5. Multiple coils makes a BIG difference as does multiple windings when wired correctly, both to speed and charging of the back end.
6.?
7. In one of my configurations a nsnsnsns rotor gave an increase in speed over the nnnn rotor. This was with neos and air cores.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: saikron1 on June 01, 2010, 07:33:48 AM
ok... did anyone make COP more that one? which part or hint to make it overunity? scalar potential or radiant energy. i tested notice radiant spike still not really practical and charging battery can't storage much if i calculate in time.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: saikron1 on June 01, 2010, 06:10:42 PM
Dear Ren,

i saw you device from your youtube, may i know what is your COP of your bedini device? i couldn't get COP more than one. very upset... even i get the charge from my charging battery but it won't store the energy when i load that battery.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: void109 on June 01, 2010, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: Magnethos link=topic=4624.msg95470#msg95470 =1210439987
Hi to everyone. I have made a video where you can see how to obtain an overunity from a Bedini Motor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7aX6OK5hw

Why did you remove the video?
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: NTesla on June 02, 2010, 09:04:42 AM
I tried various versions of the BSG (Bedini School Girl) Motor and despite copying Bedini's instructions/schematics to the letter, I was never able to get over-unity or high efficiency. That kind of put me off Bedini's work because I remember him stating on his web site (I paraphrase) that if you "Follow the instructions without changing anything you will get the same results" (same results as the School Girl experiment). However it did start me off on my journey and was fun to do.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 02, 2010, 09:28:22 AM
Here is a hint:

Use supercaps instead of batteries as they capture the HV spikes and store and release them as usable power.  Efficiency goes way up then.

I have powered my Bedini motor from my earth battery. (check out my Youtube vids)

Bill
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: resonanceman on July 04, 2010, 04:57:26 AM
Thats funny Capacitor70, I found the following results when building Bedinis devices:

1. More weight on the rotor the better, (within reason) as long as it is well balanced.
2. Use weaker magnets for faster switching, stronger magnets such as neos can only work in certain configurations
3. More magnets, but keep the correct spacing
4. Proper coil design IS important, Your right about that.
5. Multiple coils makes a BIG difference as does multiple windings when wired correctly, both to speed and charging of the back end.
6.?
7. In one of my configurations a nsnsnsns rotor gave an increase in speed over the nnnn rotor. This was with neos and air cores.


I am working on a pulse motor design  that starts with a bedini  type circuit........I have been thinking  of  putting  the magnets on my rotor NSNS ...... I read somewhere that  putting small S  magnets on a rotor of N magnets will help clear out the charge..... WHat I think that means ..... I am thinking that the capacitance  of the coil  may be holding  a charge  between pulses......this  charge would tend to  make the trigger  circuit less sensitive.  ( I am guessing that this capcitance charging  thing may  be why low power magnets seem to work better than Neos.)


An  idea I want to try is to  use a NSNS rotor  then use  a bridge or  diodes to rectify the signal........then  feed it to a pnp bedini  circuit ...and send the other half to a npn  bedini circuit
If the capacitance  of the coil  is maintaining a charge  between pulses...... switching to  this  dual  circuit set up should  use this  voltage to good advantage.

I also plan to move to multiple coils....... I expect  that  they  will soon  start driving the motor to fast........ a NSNS rotor  could  be  easily  used  as a generator  to keep  the speed in check.




A question for anyone here...... \
Most  bedinis  I have seen are at least 12V
Is 12V  a kind of minimum voltage?
I  would like to get one running  a 6 V because of other experiments I want to do later.


gary


Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 04, 2010, 08:05:59 AM
Gary:

I have run my Bedini motor from my earth battery, which outputs about 2 volts.  (See my video)  I have Jonnydavro to thank for this circuit.  (See his videos)  You do not need 12 volts at all. (I used a 3055 regular tansistor for this.)

I hope this helps.

Bill
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Paul-R on July 04, 2010, 12:44:52 PM
If you people want to get a Bedini to work, then this is the place
to get the SSG to run overunity:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/messages
They know their stuff.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: mscoffman on July 04, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
If you people want to get a Bedini to work, then this is the place
to get the SSG to run overunity:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/messages
They know their stuff.


I am a member of the above yahoo group. They expect their people
to build a precise replica of the Bedini circuit. They don't like to deal
with anything other then that. It's very scientific in that they can
control the environment of the machine but they don't like to discuss
either innovation or controversy.

---

My belief is that the Bedini machine functions on two levels
simultaneously, the one designed for and one that just happens.
Static electricity (which *they* call "radiant energy") is the
other half of the equation, weak CF cold fusion aligned by
static electricity occurs in the acid/lead storage battery and
is the voltage downconverter. It's very easy to lose the Static
electric part during a motor redesign. Use neo magnets and
move the coil away from the wheel and the coils can no longer
collect static electricity properly.

Bedini almost never uses capacitors, which would help the
stability of his circuit, because capacitors have a maximum
working voltage and the operating static conditions will
exceed that voltage.

Think anything you want, but what you are thinking won't
match all the evidence present.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: resonanceman on July 04, 2010, 10:45:41 PM
Gary:

I have run my Bedini motor from my earth battery, which outputs about 2 volts.  (See my video)  I have Jonnydavro to thank for this circuit.  (See his videos)  You do not need 12 volts at all. (I used a 3055 regular tansistor for this.)

I hope this helps.

Bill

Bill

Thanks that does help alot.

I am clearly missing  something here...... I have not  got mine to run yet...... It is probably something really basic..... to simple  for me to notice

I have another question...... On a JT  the schematic  always shows  the dots  marking  start of the windings.......... I do not  remember seeing them on any  bedini  schematics ....... can you check your bedini  and  see where the marks  should be?.


gary
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: resonanceman on July 04, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
I am a member of the above yahoo group. They expect their people
to build a precise replica of the Bedini circuit. They don't like to deal
with anything other then that. It's very scientific in that they can
control the environment of the machine but they don't like to discuss
either innovation or controversy.

---

My belief is that the Bedini machine functions on two levels
simultaneously, the one designed for and one that just happens.
Static electricity (which *they* call "radiant energy") is the
other half of the equation, weak CF cold fusion aligned by
static electricity occurs in the acid/lead storage battery and
is the voltage downconverter. It's very easy to lose the Static
electric part during a motor redesign. Use neo magnets and
move the coil away from the wheel and the coils can no longer
collect static electricity properly.

Bedini almost never uses capacitors, which would help the
stability of his circuit, because capacitors have a maximum
working voltage and the operating static conditions will
exceed that voltage.

Think anything you want, but what you are thinking won't
match all the evidence present.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Thanks  for the link paul

thanks for the insite  on the group Mark.
I will go there and read ......but I will not join.......I never do anything exactly like anyone else.
My biggest motivation for building a bedini  right now is so I can  test  some of my theorys  .......
As I see it ........a conventional  bedini is cool.........but it is only the first step  of a very long  journey
Hopefully  somewhere along that journey will  will find energy independence.

gary

Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: nievesoliveras on July 05, 2010, 03:55:12 AM
Quote
[A author=resonanceman link=topic=4624.msg247808#msg247808 date=1278276341]
...

I have another question...... On a JT  the schematic  always shows  the dots  marking  start of the windings.......... I do not  remember seeing them on any  bedini  schematics ....... can you check your bedini  and  see where the marks  should be?.


gary

This old schematic shows where the dots should be.

Jesus
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: resonanceman on July 05, 2010, 04:57:41 AM
This old schematic shows where the dots should be.

Jesus

Jesus

Thanks  for  the  schematic.

I was  thinking the  dots would  be on the same side of the coil......but I was not sure.

Your schematic  confirms that I my circuit is right.

I guess tomorrow I will take my board apart and  see if I have a bad connection or wrong connection.


gary
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: guruji on July 14, 2010, 09:38:54 PM
Here is a hint:

Use supercaps instead of batteries as they capture the HV spikes and store and release them as usable power.  Efficiency goes way up then.

I have powered my Bedini motor from my earth battery. (check out my Youtube vids)

Bill

Hi Pirate how do you use supercaps? You use them parallel with batteries to charge batteries?
I have one but this is 2.7v 650F only not good for 12v batteries. :-\
Any help please?
Thanks
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 14, 2010, 11:27:48 PM
What I mean is to just use 2 supercaps, no batteries at all.  Of course, the first one will need to be charged up from a power source to 2.7 volts and then, run the Bedini and it will charge up the other cap and also run the motor.  When the first cap is drained, swap caps and repeat or use a switching circuit that some have used to electrically swap the caps in the circuit from run cap to charge cap, etc.

I hope this helps.

Bill
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: sm0ky2 on July 15, 2010, 08:00:14 AM
What I mean is to just use 2 supercaps, no batteries at all.  Of course, the first one will need to be charged up from a power source to 2.7 volts and then, run the Bedini and it will charge up the other cap and also run the motor.  When the first cap is drained, swap caps and repeat or use a switching circuit that some have used to electrically swap the caps in the circuit from run cap to charge cap, etc.

I hope this helps.

Bill

would it work to have a smaller cap on the run-side,
and a switching transistor to "re-charge" it from the charging cap?

also, something i stumbled across. these "micro-motors", like you find inside a digital camera, to make the lense telescope.
not sure what else they're used in, just digicams.. anyhow.
they are extremely efficient, possibly because of the small coils,
but they use very little current for the ammount of torque you can get from them
i was playing around with a JT / micro-generator set-up for a while,
but you may be able to hook one up to run a tiny bendini.

Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: ltseung888 on October 02, 2014, 01:47:20 AM
Add an unbalanced wheel to lead-out Gravitational Energy.  See page 146-149 of the Milkovic 2SO thread.
 
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/2220/ (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/2220/)
 
Title: This design may just make it overunity.
Post by: lzbin80 on November 12, 2016, 03:24:44 AM
Your design may just make it overunity, with "power of parallel", the boost could be over 3X. I need to try this.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Vortex1 on November 12, 2016, 03:48:46 PM
The self oscillating flyback converter posted earlier (post#31), commonly known as a blocking oscillator and more recently a Joule Thief, was not invented by the so named, but was around long before he attached his name to it.

I remember playing with such circuits in the late 1950's and early 60's but probably using germanium transistors, long before the so named came on the scene..

There is nothing magick about the circuit, it is well known technology found in some  old Tektronix scopes and other devices, such as camp lights that used fluorescent tubes from way back.

You will need to explore some very different methods if you expect to get overunity from this circuit.

Adding a spinning bicycle wheel with a magnet will get you no excess energy, a rather inefficient and very poorly designed pulse motor but something to look at and go whoooow, something to mystify and amaze your friends.

How many people do you know that have disconnected from the mains and are now powering their homes with such a circuit. After all, hundreds or even thousands have been constructed by now yet people are still asking the question e.g. the title of this thread.

A lot of money has been made selling books, DVD's and advanced handbooks on the device with the supposed secret guaranteed therein or your money back, so why is the question still being asked?

To those that can smell a scam no explanation is needed, to those that cannot, no explanation is possible.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Hoppy on November 12, 2016, 05:40:56 PM

To those that can smell a scam no explanation is needed, to those that cannot, no explanation is possible.

Very true. 'The proof of the pudding in in the eating' and from several years of experimentation with the ingredients, I conclude that the pudding does not taste good.
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: tinman on November 14, 2016, 01:35:16 PM


A lot of money has been made selling books, DVD's and advanced handbooks on the device with the supposed secret guaranteed therein or your money back, so why is the question still being asked?

To those that can smell a scam no explanation is needed, to those that cannot, no explanation is possible.

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A book that will dwarf the bible is on the way  ;)

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12 inches square--2 inches thick
This wonderful book-will do the trick
Throw out the rest--you need only one
This wonderful book-that is yet to come
Save up your money-as it wont be cheap
But the promise of free energy--is what you'll reap

Forget about the books-you bought in the past
Tear out the pages,to wipe your arse
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I mean,lets be honest-no need to pretend
But save up your cash,a high price you will pay
The book of total secrets-is on it's way

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So save up that cash--you'll need a great wad
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But as time go's by--and you come to learn
This total book of secrets--starts to make you squirm
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No bloody secret's--no bloody score

You know what to do--what must be done
Off to the toilet--you must run
As like before--from book's of the past
Tear out the pages--and wipe your arse


Brad
Title: Re: How to make bedini motor overunity ???
Post by: Vortex1 on November 15, 2016, 02:44:35 AM
Very good, Brad, a poet in our time. I'd like to see the rap version performed of that.

And the pages also make good kindling for a fireplace. Dual use technology.

But what to do with the the DVD's......well...beer coasters?