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Author Topic: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device  (Read 179617 times)

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #495 on: November 30, 2016, 06:48:47 AM »

Where on Earth are Miles Higher and the
Tinselized Koala?  They are sorely needed
to continue their critiquing of this topic!

Has anyone either seen or heard from them?


 

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #496 on: December 02, 2016, 09:44:52 PM »
Please explain what's inside those Boost Boxes.  The rest of it is self explanatory.

Thanks.
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #497 on: December 02, 2016, 10:48:17 PM »
Those boxes are boost converters.  You can buy them on Ebay for around 12 to 15 bucks.  They are discussed pretty thoroughly on the Energetic Forum in the Basic Free Energy Device thread.  You will have to go back several pages from the last page to find that information.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #498 on: September 01, 2017, 11:45:49 AM »
If you want to know how to make a generator that speeds up under load and reduces the current draw under load take a look at this thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20486-splitting-positive-17.html

In the last several pages of that thread David Bowling explains how to wind a coil that will speed up under load.  He gives several explanations and answers questions about that kind of coil.  You will probably learn more if you ignore all the ramblings by Bro Mikey but David's info is very helpful.

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Carroll


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #499 on: September 01, 2017, 06:13:52 PM »
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #500 on: September 03, 2017, 04:43:22 PM »
If you want to know how to make a generator that speeds up under load and reduces the current draw under load ...

NB: David posts as Turion. Has he got any formal dynanometer / input power test results?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #501 on: September 03, 2017, 06:21:31 PM »
I am not sure what you mean by formal, but he does give voltages and current readings for his drive motor while only turning the rotor with no coils.  Then the same after he added the unloaded coils and when the coils are loaded.  He also gives RPM readings if I recall correctly.  All that information is in the last few pages of that thread.  Most people will need to read the last few pages over a few times to grasp all he has posted.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #502 on: September 04, 2017, 04:06:11 PM »
I am not sure what you mean by formal, but he does give voltages and current readings for his drive motor while only turning the rotor with no coils.  Then the same after he added the unloaded coils and when the coils are loaded.  He also gives RPM readings if I recall correctly.  All that information is in the last few pages of that thread.  Most people will need to read the last few pages over a few times to grasp all he has posted.

Carroll

Hard to find that info with the infestation of Bro-Mikey.

I see there all still lost in what there trying to show,and still do not understand the effects of eddy current core drag,and how that is relieved by the induced magnetic field of the loaded coils.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #503 on: September 04, 2017, 04:42:47 PM »
Hi Brad,

In post #451 I believe he addresses that issue by comparing his motor draw with no coils and then with loaded coils.  I have copied it here so you don't have to dig through all the other stuff in that thread.  What surprised me was that his current draw with loaded coils was LESS than with no coils at all.  I have worked with David a lot over the last several years and he can be hard to follow because of his lack of training in electronics but I believe he sincerely is searching for free energy and may be getting close.

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Mario,
 Here is what leads me to believe I have SUUL.
 
 When I run my motor turning the rotor with no coil in place I get a specific amp draw and a specific RPM. I have placed a weight on the shaft that is the same weight as the rotor, and the amp draw and RPM's with that weight in place are the same as with the rotor in place, which leads me to believe that turning a rotor creates no phenomenon that I am not accounting for. When a coil pair is placed near the rotor, the amp draw of the motor goes up and the RPM's go down because of what I call "magnetic drag" which is not the proper term, but it is caused by trying to turn the magnets on the rotor past an iron core to which they are attracted and want to "lock" onto. With one coil pair. the "drag is not that great, but with six coil pair it is so great that without compensation, the motor is incapable of starting the rotor turning, and even if you break the lock and get it started, the amp draw far exceeds the recommended amp draw of the motor.
 
 By adjusting the relationship between the coil pair and passing rotor I can get the amp draw to go back down to almost exactly where it was and the RPM to go up to almost where it was before the coil was added.
 
 Now I add a load to the coil and the amp draw goes down to below what it was with no coil in place and the RPM goes up higher than what it was with no coil in place. Whether the load is a light bulb or an electric motor does not matter. And when the load is removed the amp draw goes back up and the RPM goes back down to the previous level.
 
 The additional RPM's of the generator "under load" produce additional power. To see if this is significant I measure the output of the coil and then reduce the voltage input to achieve the same RPM's as I had before adding the coil. The coil output is GREATER at the higher RPM, obviously.
 
 In summary, with these coils I can get more generated output for the same input or the same output for a reduced input. But to say they are of no use makes no sense to me. But I have an open mind so if you can point out the error in my testing method, I would SINCERELY appreciate it.

End of quote.

Take care,
Carroll

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #504 on: September 06, 2017, 02:43:54 PM »
Hi Brad,

In post #451 I believe he addresses that issue by comparing his motor draw with no coils and then with loaded coils.  I have copied it here so you don't have to dig through all the other stuff in that thread.  What surprised me was that his current draw with loaded coils was LESS than with no coils at all.  I have worked with David a lot over the last several years and he can be hard to follow because of his lack of training in electronics but I believe he sincerely is searching for free energy and may be getting close.

Quote:
Mario,
 Here is what leads me to believe I have SUUL.
 
 When I run my motor turning the rotor with no coil in place I get a specific amp draw and a specific RPM. I have placed a weight on the shaft that is the same weight as the rotor, and the amp draw and RPM's with that weight in place are the same as with the rotor in place, which leads me to believe that turning a rotor creates no phenomenon that I am not accounting for. When a coil pair is placed near the rotor, the amp draw of the motor goes up and the RPM's go down because of what I call "magnetic drag" which is not the proper term, but it is caused by trying to turn the magnets on the rotor past an iron core to which they are attracted and want to "lock" onto. With one coil pair. the "drag is not that great, but with six coil pair it is so great that without compensation, the motor is incapable of starting the rotor turning, and even if you break the lock and get it started, the amp draw far exceeds the recommended amp draw of the motor.
 
 By adjusting the relationship between the coil pair and passing rotor I can get the amp draw to go back down to almost exactly where it was and the RPM to go up to almost where it was before the coil was added.
 
 Now I add a load to the coil and the amp draw goes down to below what it was with no coil in place and the RPM goes up higher than what it was with no coil in place. Whether the load is a light bulb or an electric motor does not matter. And when the load is removed the amp draw goes back up and the RPM goes back down to the previous level.
 
 The additional RPM's of the generator "under load" produce additional power. To see if this is significant I measure the output of the coil and then reduce the voltage input to achieve the same RPM's as I had before adding the coil. The coil output is GREATER at the higher RPM, obviously.
 
 In summary, with these coils I can get more generated output for the same input or the same output for a reduced input. But to say they are of no use makes no sense to me. But I have an open mind so if you can point out the error in my testing method, I would SINCERELY appreciate it.

End of quote.

Take care,
Carroll

Hi Carroll

Hard to know without seeing the test carried out.

Perhaps by adding coils,he reduced the wind drag of the rotor?

Like i said--hard to know without seeing it.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #505 on: September 06, 2017, 03:24:00 PM »
"Like i said--hard to know without seeing it"

So true

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #506 on: September 06, 2017, 03:37:59 PM »
Hi Brad,

I wrote a reply but must have forgotten to post it after reviewing it.  Anyway I hope to have a lot more free time in a few months and want to visit Dave to check out his system.  I already have a pretty good idea of what he is doing but seeing it first hand will of course make things much clearer.  He has said he is open to anyone that wants to come out and check out what he is doing.

Take care,
Carroll


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #507 on: September 08, 2017, 05:17:38 PM »
Hi Brad,

I wrote a reply but must have forgotten to post it after reviewing it.  Anyway I hope to have a lot more free time in a few months and want to visit Dave to check out his system.  I already have a pretty good idea of what he is doing but seeing it first hand will of course make things much clearer.  He has said he is open to anyone that wants to come out and check out what he is doing.

Take care,
Carroll

Sounds good--nothing like seeing it first hand.

Let us know how it go's.


Brad

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #508 on: September 14, 2017, 03:06:34 PM »
I tried this a couple of months ago, without success.
What i wanted to ask was if any others that tried this system out, found that their bad battery turned good again, and then really bad (dead)?

That was the only thing that I found that was interesting with this system, that I found.
I am not saying that there is not anything there.

What have others found, or even successfully replicated the system?


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #509 on: September 14, 2017, 03:46:33 PM »
Hi antimony,

It sounds like you are referring to the original system that many of us worked with that required a "special" dead battery.  That idea was abandoned a couple of years ago because it just wasn't possible to keep a dead battery dead as you found out.

This is a thread about what David (Turion) is presently working on:

 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19774-basic-free-energy-device.html

The last several pages contain the information about his coils he is now using for his generator that speeds up under load.  This system uses a set of 3 batteries just like the original except all batteries are good batteries.  And he keeps another 2 batteries resting, one before and one after they go into the third position where they get charged.  There are a lot of details that really need to be attended to in order to get this system working like it should.  I don't have time to cover all of them so you need to read the thread and especially the last several pages.

The two most important details to remember are these:  This system will not work with little batteries, especially when everyone wants to draw more power from them than should be drawn.  Secondly, this system works much better if a pulse type motor is used between the primary series batteries and the charging battery.  The pulse motor can be used to power a generator which is where David is using his coils that cause the generator to speed up under load.

I have verified almost all of David's work except I just have not had time to work on his generator system with the coils that cause speed up under load or SUUL as David calls it.  I have gotten extremely long run times by using a system I designed which automatically swaps the batteries around to keep them all charged.  They will eventually start going down and that is why you also need the generator to add some charge from time to time and also power other loads.  If you can't power other loads then the system is pretty useless so that has been David's goal all along to be able to keep the batteries all charged and power some loads at the same time.

Somewhere in that thread is the information for the automatic battery swapping circuit I built and used.  I don't have time right now to dig through the thread to find it.  It may be linked to in this thread also.  I am not sure if I did that or not.

We do have a mutual friend that has been using the three battery system with swapping to greatly extend his ability to use his solar panels.  By using the solar system to keep his batteries topped up and swapping the batteries which actually allows him to reuse the power over and over he can now use his battery bank for days when there is no sun or very little sun.

Take care.
Carroll

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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