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Offline Feynman

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2008, 10:31:35 PM »
Quote
judo_jack63:
Hi to all that replied to my post,

While I must first state that I really am not here to provide schematics or go into long dissertations regarding the achievability of OU devices, (because I expect that all posters should have a bit of knowledge in this area and have made something work) I will provide a few clues to help.

You must be kidding, right?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #76 on: May 07, 2008, 10:56:30 PM »
@judo_jack63,

I have built and tested three variants of the Tesla switch and NONE of
MY tested circuits was overunity. The newest variant that I tested was with
four 9,6 Volt 700 mA NiCad battery packs. I use HEXFET transistors controlled
from a PIC16F84A micro controller to switch between the batteries. I could NOT
detect any charge in the batteries.

Lately I also hooked up a 12VDC motor to two series lead acid batteries and tried to charge up two similar paralleled batteries.  After several cycles of swapping batteries between input and output, the batteries run down. Did not work for me.

I have build the Muller motor/generator. I have tested two different switches on that motor and is about to build and test the third variant later this year. So far, no free energy.

I have built and tested the MEG (Tom Bearden). Did not work for me.

I have built and tested Bedini motors. Yes, they do charge batteries but I was not able to find any free energy.

I'm still waiting for "free energy" and is still powering my house from the mains.  :D

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop,
very simple,
if you don?t have a running sparkgap with the right tuned spark
bringing free electrons from the burning graphite brush into the circuit,
these circuits will never be overunity.

This is why Newman motors and Lutec devices with just electronic
commutators never worked.
Also the Lutec device needs the spark at the brushes,
as one of the 2 inventors told me in an email,
otherwise we will see no overunity output energy.

Could well be the effect of the graphite fusion principle discussed
over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0.html

or via electron clustering at the sparking graphite.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S. I am not sure how the modern Bedini circuits really work,
but the older ones had also a mechanical switch which sparked,
when the collected capacitor charge was dumped into the battery
during closing of this mechanical switch.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #77 on: May 07, 2008, 11:07:21 PM »
Hi to all that replied to my post,

While I must first state that I really am not here to provide schematics or go into long dissertations regarding the achievability of OU devices, (because I expect that all posters should have a bit of knowledge in this area and have made something work) I will provide a few clues to help every with success.

1st, let's think a minute about how all of these boards and groups over the years have spread the information. Then reflect on the success stories, based on the "AVAILABLE" information.. Hhhhmmmmm. There is a common factor. There is something always missing.

Lots of people always claim to have great engineering backgrounds and state Ohms Law 50 different ways, and therefore negate any possibility of success if it does not function as per the commonly known theories of physics.

I ask, have ALL of the laws of physics been discovered? No. We are not yet advanced to know it all yet; as well, the establishment has conveniently "lost" the things that were being discovered 100 years ago.

Ok, now for some light on this subject.

Yes, I have experimented extensively with Tesla Switches, Bedini devices of all sorts, and many other OU claims. I will respond to your replies in order.

 Sorry to have missed the post regarding previous Tesla Switch info. I just located this thread and thought I would briefly help clear up some misconceptions.

Can I post a schematic for the circuit? Well, I thought I did when I attached Bedini's diagram. Just because Bedini "mostly" uses moving parts, does not mean that ALL of Bedini's information is related to mechanical processes. If you have studied his work, there are Solid State circuits also, and Yes, I have built them, and yes again; they do work (if an engineer knows how they function to make adjustments)

Also, yes I am still connected to the grid also. When enough money allows, perhaps something on a large scale could be constructed to change that, but for now, I am like most other people scraping for money, buying gasoline, and paying the utility companies.

Next, well, many individuals building Bedini circuits and others don't really see what is happening. Many things come into play to achieve the results that should manifest. Proper battery conditioning is a factor. Something that Sterling Allen did not do properly before he started reporting the Schoolgirl Motor results.

When properly conditioned, the batteries will put out MORE power than when new, and charge MUCH quicker. There is a lot of that in the Public Domain now that John has discussed it thoroughly.

Next, did you actually put a "timing light" on the Bedini motors to look at the pulse timing? Yep, here is how the cancellation of energy is avoided. The line delay of the inductor makes the transistor fire in such a way that the magnet is NOT over the pole piece when it sends it's energy to the coil. As a result, what happens to the "back-emf"????? Think about it.

Now, one MUST start out with batteries that are SIMILAR and in good condition to see the effect in a reasonable time. Instead, many people take junk batteries for overunity experiments, and get no results.

Now, in my previous post. If you keep the supply battery in a higher state of potential than the output battery, what would happen? Your potential would travel from high to low, THROUGH the circuit (powering it for what cost???) and end up in the output battery! You paid NOTHING for the energy, only the transistor switching cost (if it is properly tuned)..

Sooo.. How much did you "pay" to charge the battery????? How about the wheel turning??? Kinetic energy as well..... Add all of the Joules and see how much you got for what you paid.... Oh yeah, when your meter says a certain number of mA to run the circuit, did you remember to calculate the PULSE WIDTH?????

The power is NOT steady on like DC, it is PULSED.. So lets subtract the off cycle width from the meter readings.... Getting close to even or better yet??? Geezzzz. This machine just keeps running past the battery specs....

OK, now to the Tesla switch info. There has been a lot of misinformation out there, and speculations.. Let's clear it up. What does it do??

Runs a higher potential through a load to a lower potential. Therefore the charge ends up in a different battery.. Ok, now take that battery with the gain, and put it in series with another battery to give higher potential through the load again to a lower potential one. What happens? The charge then moves again from high to low, and ends up in the lower one as gain (powering the load).

So, lets cycle it over and over again.. Round and round..... Just run high to low, THROUGH the load, moving from battery to battery... Now you have a big loop of ENERGY SHUTTLING!

Next, when the battery impedances reach the same, it will go into resonant operation, and you will see much more gains... Nuff said???

I don't give out circuits, and engage in long discussions. I just want people to think about what is happening in the circuits, and design circuits based on what NEEDS to happen, instead of following incomplete internet schematics and claiming that they don't work!!!!! OU has been here forever, but too many have closed eyes and believe all that they hear instead of analyzing THEIR empirical results.

Get to building the Bowling/Bedini/Tesla circuit. Let's see how many can make it resonant and get OVERWHEALMING gains, without draining those batteries... Hint- If your batteries do not ALL charge back up completely, then move the one with the most gain into the series (High potential) position...

Then keep running the circuit, and charging battery after battery...Convert all of this energy (from charged batteries and loads operated) into Joules and compare at how much it originally took you to charge the 2 batteries...... Compared to the amount you can draw from all of your charged batteries and loads.......

I know the answer, and Mr. Bowling and a few others have a good idea based on REAL experiments.. Put down the brainiac mindsets and get back to the workbench..

I don't really like food shortages and $4.00 per gallon gasoline..

But, until all of us can stick together, then let's just fill the pockets of the Arab countries with our hard earned money. Forget that food we must eat; hell, we gotta a monkey on our backs called OIL!

Just food for thought.

JJ




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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #78 on: May 07, 2008, 11:53:35 PM »
@judo_jack63,

I have built and tested three variants of the Tesla switch and NONE of
MY tested circuits was overunity. The newest variant that I tested was with
four 9,6 Volt 700 mA NiCad battery packs. I use HEXFET transistors controlled
from a PIC16F84A micro controller to switch between the batteries. I could NOT
detect any charge in the batteries.

Lately I also hooked up a 12VDC motor to two series lead acid batteries and tried to charge up two similar paralleled batteries.  After several cycles of swapping batteries between input and output, the batteries run down. Did not work for me.

I have build the Muller motor/generator. I have tested two different switches on that motor and is about to build and test the third variant later this year. So far, no free energy.

I have built and tested the MEG (Tom Bearden). Did not work for me.

I have built and tested Bedini motors. Yes, they do charge batteries but I was not able to find any free energy.

I'm still waiting for "free energy" and is still powering my house from the mains.  :D

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop,
very simple,
if you don?t have a running sparkgap with the right tuned spark
bringing free electrons from the burning graphite brush into the circuit,
these circuits will never be overunity.

This is why Newman motors and Lutec devices with just electronic
commutators never worked.
Also the Lutec device needs the spark at the brushes,
as one of the 2 inventors told me in an email,
otherwise we will see no overunity output energy.

Could well be the effect of the graphite fusion principle discussed
over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0.html

or via electron clustering at the sparking graphite.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S. I am not sure how the modern Bedini circuits really work,
but the older ones had also a mechanical switch which sparked,
when the collected capacitor charge was dumped into the battery
during closing of this mechanical switch.


Stefan,

Can you explain how to get a sparkgap with the right tuned spark?
Tuned to what? The RPM or the coils in the motor?

Groundloop.


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2008, 12:03:54 AM »
Having the right distance of copper-graphite electrodes, the right oscillation burst frequency occuring and
having a dphi/dt flux change inside the coils during the spark jump.

Also you see it from the flame of the spark.
The blue-whitish sparks seem to be the best ones...

Also they make a "hissing" sound.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2008, 01:50:01 AM »
Regarding the circuit that Ossie Callanan posted before my version
I must clarify, that this might be also a way to test this out.
I thought, Ossie had tried to draw the circuit from the interview, but
it is just his own research, how he does it...

Here is the message I got from him and he was to busy to post it himself,
so here we go:


Hi Stefan,

I never post anything I have not built and tested myself. I have used this and many other types of circuits that assist in anomalous battery charging effects over many years. I no longer claim any circuits are mine and I don't believe anyone can or should claim that they own a circuit. They really only can claim coming across a particular circuit configuration and that they shown it to other people but almost everything we think we discovered has already been done by someone else in the past. David Bowling just stumbled across this but there are only a few of us who have been working with such circuits and can understand them to a degree. He has no clue what is going on, let alone what goes on in the battery and how to use it.

The circuit I posted was posted as is for a purpose. Hopefully if people started playing with it, it will start to teach them and perhaps some will understand.

Firstly, do not think that the batteries should be good and new batteries. These types of circuits will fail where brand new good batteries are used unless you make it very large and very low impedance to match the new batteries which is very difficult to do.

Secondly, do not presume the motor is 12 volts. The motor must be able to run, but only by the voltage difference between battery 2 and battery 3 which attempt to cancel each other out in voltage. This means that a low voltage motor is required, 0-3 volts, but 12 volt motors can work but run slower which does assist with the commutators.

There is both a voltage and impedance balancing act going on between the left and right side of the circuit. Because of this, there are two energies flowing through this circuit. The ideal  and best version of this circuit is not to have the lamp at all which is bypassed. Then it really does some amazing things but you cannot do this with normal batteries because of their low impedance...

The motor can be replace with a number of things but everything you have said about the spark gap being the cause of the excess energy is true except for your aparent belief in thinking that the energy from the spark gap is conventional and usable in a convention sense. This is not the case. The spark gap coupled with the motor windings and the spacial field interaction around the spinning rotor cause some sort of effect in the conventional energy flowing through the circuit to and from the batteries. Peter Lindemann calls it electrical "fractionation". But I don't know what it is, I just build and test circuits and devices and try to understand what works infront of me...

Ossie

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2008, 02:14:00 AM »
Good points.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2008, 03:20:54 AM »
This is a bit of an aside, but seems related to the theoretical side of the discussion going on here:

There's a guy in my hometown who has been developing a hydrogen-on-demand system using plasma hydrolysis with carbon rods.  Could it be that the same underlying phenomenon is responsible for the excess energy reported in both systems?  Both create an arc of plasma on the surface of carbon via electrical discharge, and both seem to yield a net excess of energy.  The energy is captured by a battery in the one case, while it goes into hydrogen production in the other.  These harvesting strategies are electrochemical processes.  Maybe what's going on here is that electrons are *somehow* generated "out of nothing" at the arcing surface of the graphite.  These extra electrons are captured by nearby material (coils in the motor and water molecules in the electrolysis cell).  In the motor coils, the extra electrons won't immediately or directly contribute to a direct current, but instead must be "coaxed out" by a battery (or perhaps a capacitor).  In the hydrolysis scenario, the electrons go directly into splitting the water molecule. ... 


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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2008, 04:42:17 AM »
Zerotensor,

Please read Lavalee's (VSG) theory on Jlnlabs. It explains what happens in these reactions. The electrons aren't created out of nothing. As a matter of fact carbon is not the only material that can yield such results. Carbon is the spark gap material of choice only because it's cheap and abundant.

Thanks,

Miki.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2008, 06:45:02 AM »
Zerotensor,

Please read Lavalee's (VSG) theory on Jlnlabs. It explains what happens in these reactions. The electrons aren't created out of nothing. As a matter of fact carbon is not the only material that can yield such results. Carbon is the spark gap material of choice only because it's cheap and abundant.

Thanks,

Miki.

Thanks, Miki.  I will do that, once the url quits returning 404's.  I've been able to connect just once in the last two days, and not for lack of trying.  The server keeps going down.   (cockup or conspiracy?) ;)

In the meantime, care to give a thumbnail sketch of the theory?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2008, 05:50:51 PM »
Anything new David?

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2008, 08:18:06 PM »

Hi guys

While we are at Carbon:

1) The (Ren? Louis) Vall?e Synergetic Generator (VSG) is on:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm
Notably on:http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/vsg10.htm
The web server is OK.

2) About
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"hydrogen-on-demand system using plasma hydrolysis with carbon rods"
,
You can consult the Naudin's experiments with the 'BingoFuel' on:
http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/index.htm
Notably on: http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/html/bfr10.htm

JLN managed to close the loop (for a while).
A vid is on:
http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/JNaudin_BingoF_Reactor_Closed_Loop.ram


(http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/JNaudin_BingoF_Reactor_Closed_Loop.jpg)

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #87 on: May 08, 2008, 08:28:02 PM »
@NerzhDishual

I think it is interesting that Stefan has been saying for a long time now that carbon (graphite) spark gaps are the best, and only recently Koen dug up the Protelf/VSG stuff out of the archives, which showed that carbon can be used in these cold nuclear reactions.

Are they connected?  I wish I knew!   I think maybe over the next 8 - 12 weeks we might get a better idea on how Protelf, carbon spark gaps, and plasma electrolysis are related or not.

@zerotensor

The thumbnail sketch of the theory is the following...
1) discharge high amounts of current at 35V into a pure carbon rod with thoriated tungsten electrode
2) make sure colinear b-field is applied
3) twenty milliseconds later you get a surge of beta electrons which come flying out of the carbon rod

Why?  Well the theory goes that the electrons you pumped into the carbon actually end up fusing in the carbon atom's nucleus, converting a proton to a neutron for a split second (yielding Boron-12 and a neutrino).  This then sponateously decays, yielding back the original proton and releasing a much higher energy electron than what you put in.

Does it relate to spark gaps?  No idea! ;) ;)



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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #88 on: May 08, 2008, 11:20:06 PM »

@Feynman,

Yes, I do agree with you!
I also know that Stefan keeps informing us about Spark gaps, carbon and else...
Actually, few of us seem to have got(ten) his message...

Spark gaps, carbon, resonance, shapes (pyramid for ex), hight gradients, coils, unsymmetrical designs, chance (serendipity) etc, are, IMHO, the keys of 'OU'.
 
I'm not a scientist, just a retired-civil-servant-self-taught-computer-programmer (are the words in the right order?  :P)

I  have built a lot of 'things' with various, but not obvious (OU-wise), success. I keep on being a 'self taught' newbie and building devices with my mere "prick and my knife" (French expression = 'ma bite et mon couteau', sorry  :)).
That is why I only criticize the critics/skeptics.
I'm however just beginning - after years of erring - to understand some essential 'usably' OU concepts.

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Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #89 on: May 09, 2008, 01:19:14 AM »
Nice diagram.

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