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Dr.Greenthumb

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Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« on: April 26, 2008, 01:39:35 AM »
I was brainstorming on adding a frequency onto the coil on the cheap. What would a car audio amplifier do? hook up the coil directly to where the radio would hook up to the speakers and play a certain frequency through it. is that AC or DC power coming out of the amp?

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2008, 02:52:55 AM »
I was brainstorming on adding a frequency onto the coil on the cheap. What would a car audio amplifier do? hook up the coil directly to where the radio would hook up to the speakers and play a certain frequency through it. is that AC or DC power coming out of the amp?

I think that commercial audio amps use a push-pull system, so I assume that AC would be the result.

Dr.Greenthumb

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2008, 02:54:03 AM »
m guessing AC doesn't produce hydrogen?

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2008, 01:01:19 PM »
AC can be easily converted to DC with just a diode or a full or half wave rectifier.

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2008, 04:17:47 PM »
The important frequency for water is 42.8 khz, as discovered by John Worrell Keely in Victorian times. Some people use a pulse width modulated circuit (pwm) to achieve this. Check out the Workingwatercar  or the hydroxy Yahoo Groups.

Dr.Greenthumb

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 01:46:50 AM »
This seems like a tone or "frequency" would take a big part of the hydrogen production. Like speakers with air. Very very high powerd output speakers  with enough force will produce enough force to see a noticeable sound wave through the air. If you have ever sat in a vehicle with a rather large stereo system(a clean 1000+ watts RMS) you could sit there with these test tones i have and actually see different materials react differently to certain frequencies at different SPL. Not to mention where the speaker is positioned in coordination  with the surroundings(IE) stick a subwoofer in the middle of a room<stick the speaker facing a corner. if you go into the corner opposite and hear HUGE amount of base. i feel the same thing could be done to water. at such a high energy level it would split the water or even help it along the process.

::edit:: i probably should have posted this in the halfbaked ideas. if a admin can do it go fer it!

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 04:17:14 AM »
i have often wondered the same green, and i am also a car audio guy,   it whould be hard to tell whats really making more hydrogen, unless you had very long test tones due to # of different things that can occure in a stereo, with thd and of course the power variances, i suppose with a small amp there whoulndt be a big difference in rms and peak, but it whould be kind of hard to replicate repeatedly since the cell has a certain amount of resistance, which is calculated in ohms but unlike a subwoofer i think the cell most likely wont be anywhere near controllable enought or mathematicly feasable since the output of amps are rated at 2 or 4 ohms and who knows what the cell is... thats where i got caught up... but hay it whould be great if you could take a reading off a cell and see where its at! my multimeter only is stable to 500milliamps if you got one where it can handle lets say 30 amps and also measures ohms do it!!!!!  even if you come up with 14 ohms make another cell and parallel the biotches so you got 7, and then calculate how many watts your amp will put out at 7 ohms... i wonder how many ohms a cell is... any idea anyone???? i think i remember hearing stainless has a high resistance, so thats why i didnt buy testing equiment, but personally id love to hear and help anyway i can with this... and yes ac deos make hydrogen! the only thing is its 120 volts so youd need a bob boyce 61 plate cell so your at the recomended 2 volts per cell deal, and a normal ac powersource(your house) is only around 15 amps so youd have to rely on frequency to split like bob boyce deos i was almost ready earlier today to take a extention cord cut off one end and plug it into my house socket after hookeing up the other side to my cell but i figured i just pop the cuicut right away...just to try it though... as far as the bass reflecting in a corner and its louder in diferent area in a cell the sound waves would be compared to the magnetic field in a cell, the water in a cell fallows these fields and circulates accordingly, these fields can be altered with magnets, watch your cell closely and see how the water flows threw your cell. then hold a magnet on each side on the outside and watch the flow then, and you can intensify the field by wrapping electrical tape around your plates so the field is confined to the inside of the cell just dont tape the top and the bottom ... peace tony

Dr.Greenthumb

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2008, 02:08:11 AM »
I know what you mean by an audio amp not producing a constant current through. This magnetic thing has me really thinking.i would have to get some high powered magnets and try this out. i wonder what would happen if you put opposing forces on different sides of your cell? would it squish everything to the middle?

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2008, 02:24:03 AM »
this will save you alot of testing time, the magnets i used i actually broke off some old subwoofers that i blew years ago that i kept because well i now have a nice collection and its kinda cool when you set em up right see.... i was kinda wasted in this pic though... ha     http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/vdubdipr/?action=view&current=h.jpg

but anyway i took some off some real crapy subs... alpine type e...  and waved em around the cell kinda fun,  then i took the ma audio sub and its got a double stacked 400 oz magnet wow. that really affected the movement but i didnt pull the magnet off i let it on because it was a 500.00 subwoofer....  only lasted a week! what a joke.  but anyway its all interesting to say the least, do you have any instraments that could handle the amps when measuring the ohm load on the cell??

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2008, 03:26:26 AM »
I have nothing to measure anything at the moment. Talking to a guy about selling me his fluke 88. I desperately need to find some better stainless steel and a new holding tank for them. i was thinking of hollowing out a old bike battery to do this. I'm using steel plates i bought from home depot in the electrical isle. They dont do too bad actually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8auns2F-ws

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2008, 03:52:22 AM »
i couldnt find anything of use at home depot, try a small hardware mom and pop type place ive had luck there, or go to that guy you know who welds stuff, i recently found out a freind of a freind said hed even cut my 316l to whatever i need it to be!!! and they just sell it by the pound and it wount cost anymore to cut it for me!!!! now all i need is some money...

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2008, 02:57:53 AM »
heres what i used http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=192282-334-93151-SP-L&lpage=none
they arn't that price in the store i think around 50 cents? i grabbed 6 of them for now. I know of a couple steel places around michigan that i might be able to pick some up im just really effin strapped on cash because of my gas hogs of cars

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2008, 09:28:02 AM »
man... ive spent hours in lowes and home depot, i guess i should open my eyes... ive even looked for stainless switch plate covers and asked people too, if they dont work out for some reason or another read up on dallasgoldbugs postings in HHO ON DEMAND BY PRENDIV  in his videos he shows the lil cups he gets at walmart 4 for a $1 ! and they work great im thinking of picking some up next time i have a doller... im pretty strapped too man... ive kindof noticed alot of fellow (including myself) hydrogen enthusiasts are broke! whats up with that eh?   anymore thoughts on the amplifier deal?

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2008, 09:33:24 AM »
maybe a real easy way just to play around with something take an old car cd player, one that has a fuse, and hook it up to a cell and play the radio or someshit, i woulndt exect too much though but i think it might be worth it keepnig in mind the cdplayer is only 25 watts rms.  id do it but i dont have an old one laying around, i used to always have extra car audio stuff but i pawned it all off over the last couple years cuz i lost my licence and continued to drive untill i racked up literally $3500 dollers in tickets for just about everything they could imagine...

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Re: Audio amp+hydro gen cell?
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2008, 09:44:38 PM »
I have a kicker amp that im going to test along with a mp3 player i have and run these test tones i have (when i use to test out my system). i was actually able to use this setup to build a box that hit the best at certain frequencies. With the set up i have now it a kicker comp 15 inch in a pretty nice sized box and just rattles everything thats not bolts in GOOD with in 50 feet. all with almost no sound coming out of it! i think it was around 25-30 HZ. if you light a lighter it would look like it split the flame in 2 if you held it in the right place. If you hook up a tweeter to it and run a 8000hz wave it would make you drop to your knees. im wondering what it would do if you hook up the speaker power cable straight to the cell. i guess i should try it out tonight since finals are over.