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Author Topic: Alex's MT Combination  (Read 83274 times)

Offline Alexioco

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Alex's MT Combination
« on: April 17, 2008, 10:57:41 PM »
I believe I have succsefully combinded two of Besslers inportant wheel, and have found an interesting movment, this alone is not the complete answer, but I deffinatly think its part of it...

MT 25 with MT 27

As weight A comes to rest at the bottom, it is lifting weight B, when weight A gets to the top, weight A falls out, lifting weight  B (Don?t forget there will be more of these leavers as one alone clearly wont lift itself...)
Take note how the lever works.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2008, 11:04:10 PM by hartiberlin »

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Alex's MT Combination
« on: April 17, 2008, 10:57:41 PM »

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2008, 04:09:47 PM »
Hey ALex hows the build going, anything yet

I am a big fan of combining 10 and 24, which eqauls 34 so throw that in their also  ;)

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2008, 09:35:20 PM »
Hey ALex hows the build going, anything yet

I am a big fan of combining 10 and 24, which eqauls 34 so throw that in their also  ;)

Well, If you talking about my swinging wheel, no, I haven?t finished it yet :P I got distracted with besslers wheel, I?m also little unsure about my swinging wheel now, I have learned a little bit though other tests.

I have found a new way to lift a weight with another weight (Not the wheel above by the way)

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEmlWY-rAto

When the weight is at the top, it extends upwards!
When the weight is at the bottom, it retracts inward.

Both of these movement are caused through the "second weight", I have even used some blue tack (as a weight) to lift the extending weight upwards, it does not take much to lift the weight either way, basically the weights act in pairs, they come together on their way up, and apart(right angle) on the way down which results in what you see, the mechanism is simple, the second weight applies its weight in a way that causes the other weight to move, levers are very good for appling weights in ways that are stronger than other ways of using weights, for example, if you get a pencil length ways and push a weight, it is easier to push it like that, than to hold the pencil diagonally and push it...
« Last Edit: April 22, 2008, 11:45:58 PM by Alexioco »

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 05:35:02 PM »
Hey alex, nice vid
But i can make cardboard pop out anywhere i want, it would look like you want us to believe the weight is popping out and that it is in the right places, we don't know where any of your weights are in the vid of the front of the disk, also because you are spinning it their is no way of seeing any real motion, if you make the weight pop out at 11 and it falls by itself to 5 then i'll be a little less harsh, Don't show me the secret, just show me something thats not being spun by hand.

Keep up the work.


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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 08:15:53 PM »
I can assure you that it moves by itself, you should know I am not trying to trick you, I will soon reveal the mechanism, soon as I have added more weights it might revolve o its own which will be a better vido still...

one of the weights is riht behind that peice you see popping out.

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 02:34:15 PM »
Well, my new wheel idea will work with CF aswell with poping the weight upwards but, CF might or might not help it at the bottom, I would have to study that...

For the wheel and the weights, I will need quite heavy weights as my two wheels are quite heavy, on the whole, when I have about 8 weights moving, they will move the wheel easily...

P.S Let me just remind you though, dont think I have got a working wheel yet, because there is a problem I can see, even though on the video it looks like it has got to move, its a 50-50 chance, when I ahve built my large wooden wheel, tested it, weather it works or not, i will post it as we will learn alot from it...

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 02:31:26 PM »
Ok everyone, I think my wheel works, I made another one out of cardboard with a total of 8 weights, I had to hold the wheel on its axel but it kept turning as each weight moved, it was a terrible test, so I cant say for sure, but it seemed to of worked, all I have to do now is make one out of wood and then we will really know...

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 11:35:48 PM »
Ok everyone, I think my wheel works, I made another one out of cardboard with a total of 8 weights, I had to hold the wheel on its axel but it kept turning as each weight moved, it was a terrible test, so I cant say for sure, but it seemed to of worked, all I have to do now is make one out of wood and then we will really know...

Well done Alexioco
I wish you all sucsess
Keep on doing good working as Jim and alex are doing

Helmut

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 12:13:50 AM »
Ok everyone, I think my wheel works, I made another one out of cardboard with a total of 8 weights, I had to hold the wheel on its axel but it kept turning as each weight moved, it was a terrible test, so I cant say for sure, but it seemed to of worked, all I have to do now is make one out of wood and then we will really know...

Well done Alexioco
I wish you all sucsess
Keep on doing good working as Jim and alex are doing

Helmut

Thanks Helmut, I just have to make it out of wood now, once its complete  I will post a video of it, if it does not work then we have something to learn from it, if it does work, then we can understand why its possible :)

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2008, 06:19:07 PM »
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« Last Edit: May 10, 2008, 12:28:48 AM by Alexioco »

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Offline Dgraphic911

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2008, 09:14:25 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think you got it
i might try and build it also, any thoughts, i like it very much

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2008, 09:19:59 PM »
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think you got it
i might try and build it also, any thoughts, i like it very much

Thank you :)

Dont get to excited yet, there could be a few problems, the idea seems great, I just hope it works.

Anyway I would like somhow to combined wheels MT 26 or 27 somhow with it...

The wheel is a simple thing to build, I was not to sure about showing you all yet, but I thought I would..

Also, weights A and C can be lighter than weights B and D...





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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2008, 02:21:55 AM »
Here is the wheel you saw in the footage, except its been improved and its combinded with besslers wheels...

First Wheel: The Movement
Second wheel: If you doubled the amount of weights

When weight A falls out, it lifts weight B
When weight C falls in, it pushes up weight D

Weight B and D are connected so when one end is lifted and the other end is being pushed, they are helping each other therefore creating a constant off balance.



Thanks for sharing Alexioco
One can easily emagine,how the wheel is about to work.
This is a new way to manage weights and make them work into a wheel.
Besseler himselve would be happy to see this construction.

helmut


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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2008, 05:33:33 AM »
Wow, that is a beautiful idea!  Ever since you posted the vid. I have been trying to figure it out, to no avail...  I really hope it works.

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Re: MT Combination
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2008, 03:12:19 PM »
Here is the wheel you saw in the footage, except its been improved and its combinded with besslers wheels...

First Wheel: The Movement
Second wheel: If you doubled the amount of weights

When weight A falls out, it lifts weight B
When weight C falls in, it pushes up weight D

Weight B and D are connected so when one end is lifted and the other end is being pushed, they are helping each other therefore creating a constant off balance.



Thanks for sharing Alexioco
One can easily emagine,how the wheel is about to work.
This is a new way to manage weights and make them work into a wheel.
Besseler himselve would be happy to see this construction.

helmut



Thank you Helmut, I am honored for you to say this to me.
I also like to thank God for inspiring me :)
and @ P-Motion, yes they are connected so pair of pairs working, they indeed help each other to lift, what I like about this wheel is this; normally when a weight reaches the bottom, it hangs and does nothing, just another weights to lift, but now, we have that bottom weights doing work as well as using the top weight to do work, then even connecting them (pair of pairs), so we have quite a powerful effect...

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