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Author Topic: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations  (Read 277611 times)

Offline 1tesla01

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2008, 12:16:42 AM »
Guys ,A must is to look up Teslas electromagnet patient ,a flat wound pancake coil  is what I am  talking about.This configuration is coil #2 must read completly.This particular has a 1000 times input to output.Do your math you will love this! Andy 

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2008, 02:10:18 AM »
Guys ,A must is to look up Teslas electromagnet patient ,a flat wound pancake coil  is what I am  talking about.This configuration is coil #2 must read completly.This particular has a 1000 times input to output.Do your math you will love this! Andy 

Andy I  will  check out  that  patent .

You  siad it  has 1000 times more  ouput  than input .........what  is  normally  used for input ??   AC ?   RF ?   

gary






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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2008, 02:23:22 AM »
@ All:

By attaching the positive lead to my carbon rod and the minus lead to the coil core I read 1.3vdc.  This had low mA's. (around 10) This was parallel so it should have boosted the mA's I thought.  Series would raise the volts so why did they go up?  I just checked again outside and got, for a fleeting moment, 69 mA's from the core to the copper wire from the coil.  It dropped down to the high 50's very quickly.  Just testing the coil alone, if I leave it attached to the meter for a bit, the vdc climbs to and holds at 93.  Then, when testing the mA's, which are high at this point, when they drop down, the test for the vdc has lowered as well. (to about .85)  Then, in a few minutes of being hooked to the meter (on volts setting) it climbs back to about 93 and settles.  Why is this doing this? I took a few pictures but am having a real problem reducing below 50 kb.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2008, 03:05:22 AM »
Andy I  will  check out  that  patent .

You  siad it  has 1000 times more  ouput  than input .........what  is  normally  used for input ??   AC ?   RF ?   

gary

Gary,
Guys ,A must is to look up Teslas electromagnet patient Andy 
Here is the patent number

512340

I printed it out and have read it a couple of times. It is pretty clear too.


But we won't be getting any 1000 fold increase by winding around a core bolt because the diameter doesn't increase that much with each turn. Tesla mentions this very thing in the patent.

But the point he makes very clearly is that the coil is a capacitor.

He was looking for a way to make a coil that was its own capacitor and by winding as he describes, he got such a potential difference going out the pancake that it was 1000 fold.

@ Bill, I think I recognize your readings from today. I also boosted my cu wire by connecting it to the carbon rods too.

 I think it is a kind additive but not really series. The carbon is like an extension of the cu so it is more + than the cu is by itself. I added to this boost by hooking the fe to the mag block or the zn stick too. Thus making the fe more negative.

 I think it is curious and may be a way to boost the input of the coil. The problem with it is it's like putting battery juice through the coil the wires will probably corrode .

 I would suggest that we should not go overboard on creating the galvanic part. It might unbalance the coil to cause corrosion by not allowing enough electrolysis happen. (the electrolysis would replace the metals back onto the original wires stopping the corrosion. NS repeated that the coil need only be moist.

I thought  I was going to take today off! hmm. guess not. Interesting stuff today.

@Gary, I am wondering if you are calling your coil a cap BECAUSE there is no galvanic reax going on? because you used a dry set up? I am not sure still how, but I am told that the coil is a cap too even when it is running a galvanic battery. In that patent Tesla refers to this too.

So much to study!!

jeanna


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2008, 03:23:56 AM »
Gary, I dont see where it would make any difference ac rf or dc because of the phase shift.This coil has 2 vortexes, 1 regular the other inverted say figure 8 with the bifilar in the middle.Everything is phase shifted and draws energy from the ambient also.In some instances these coils will vibrate profucely with ac and rf havent tryed it with dc.anything that operates with a wave pattern.This coil strips the waves appart.then you have particals and antiparticals that want to go back to ambient.This is zero and some instanaces below zero trying to come back to a normal sine wave this is pure scalar.Remember we are working on the zero point only.Regards Andy

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2008, 04:19:27 AM »


@Gary, I am wondering if you are calling your coil a cap BECAUSE there is no galvanic reax going on? because you used a dry set up? I am not sure still how, but I am told that the coil is a cap too even when it is running a galvanic battery. In that patent Tesla refers to this too.



Jeanna

I guess   I didn't make  things  very clear.

My first  coil   was  a " normal "  stubblefield   earth battery.

My  second   " coil "   is my cap  ......it is made  for  studying  the  magnetic  posabilities   of  dissimilar metals . 

My cap  is made with  sheet metal . .......or in the case of  aluminum.......foil.
The only wire in my  cap is the  connections  for  my meter.

Compared  to a coil it  can be  rebuilt  with  different metals  relatively  quickly .


gary

 

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2008, 05:46:58 AM »
Gary, I dont see where it would make any difference ac rf or dc because of the phase shift.This coil has 2 vortexes, 1 regular the other inverted say figure 8 with the bifilar in the middle.Everything is phase shifted and draws energy from the ambient also.In some instances these coils will vibrate profucely with ac and rf havent tryed it with dc.anything that operates with a wave pattern.This coil strips the waves appart.then you have particals and antiparticals that want to go back to ambient.This is zero and some instanaces below zero trying to come back to a normal sine wave this is pure scalar.Remember we are working on the zero point only.Regards Andy


Andy

I just finished   reading  the patent .

I think that  there are alot of possabilitys  relating to  what we  are learning  from  the stubblefield earth battery .

If I understood  your  earlier  post right ........you  said something about  using  large wire .    how much  does that  help ?



 

WHat I am thinking now ........ to make a non  galvanic  earth battery  I could   start  with a  sheet of plastic .
Hot  glue  copper  and  iron  wires in a spiral  around a  center  hole   ( through the plastic. )

As I see it .........one  coil wound  like this  wouldn't make an earth battery ...............but  ........if I  placed an iron  rod  through the  hole in the plastic   I could  stack as many  coils  as needed  for  any  power requirements . 

one  advantage of this is  you can wire each  section or group of sections in either paralell or series







I want to try   to make  a resonant  earth battery ......I need  AC  for another  idea .
The  inductance of the iron  winding of my original  coil  was  quite a bit less than  my copper .      if I understand  the patent  right  I could  add a layer  (  or part of a layer  )   of iron only  to  tune   the  inductance. 




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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2008, 05:51:02 AM »
Gary, I dont see where it would make any difference ac rf or dc because of the phase shift.This coil has 2 vortexes, 1 regular the other inverted say figure 8 with the bifilar in the middle.Everything is phase shifted and draws energy from the ambient also.In some instances these coils will vibrate profucely with ac and rf havent tryed it with dc.anything that operates with a wave pattern.This coil strips the waves appart.then you have particals and antiparticals that want to go back to ambient.This is zero and some instanaces below zero trying to come back to a normal sine wave this is pure scalar.Remember we are working on the zero point only.Regards Andy
Andy,
Are you talking about the Stubblefield battery? It sounds to me like the Tesla pancake, a little.
I don't see how we could do the pancake on the core piece, which is likely how NS got away with his design, because otherwize Tesla covered it with his pancake patent.

In case you haven't read it the Stubblefield patent is 600457.

If you have and you are talking about it, wow, it sounds like you have a lot of experience with these.

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2008, 05:57:39 AM »
Gary,
Just so I can keep up, is this a pancake on the ground?
or stacks of pancakes?
 Maple sysrup? ;D

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WHat I am thinking now ........ to make a non  galvanic  earth battery  I could   start  with a  sheet of plastic .
Hot  glue  copper  and  iron  wires in a spiral  around a  center  hole   ( through the plastic. )

jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2008, 06:02:12 AM »
@ All:

OK.  I have been reading the last several posts and (Oh no, not again) may have an idea.  I noticed on the Tesla patent for the pancake coil that all the wire (bifilar) were insulated and, as Jeanna pointed out, no core.  Way back when we were wondering if it was better to have a short coil with many, many layers or a longer coil with a few.  so, what I am thinking is trying a Tesla/Stubblefield set-up whereby you have a pancake bifilar except we use the old bare cu and fe wire insulated with cotton and add an iron core.  The core, of course, would be more like a disk than a rod.  This would be easy to wind.  An old record player would be handy at this point.  Not to use the motor but, you could hand spin it while winding and keeping it flat.  What do you think?  I would like to see what this puts out.

Bill

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« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2008, 06:03:14 AM »
@ Gary:

Good idea about stacking.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2008, 06:16:16 AM »
Gary,
Just so I can keep up, is this a pancake on the ground?
or stacks of pancakes?
 Maple sysrup? ;D

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WHat I am thinking now ........ to make a non  galvanic  earth battery  I could   start  with a  sheet of plastic .
Hot  glue  copper  and  iron  wires in a spiral  around a  center  hole   ( through the plastic. )

jeanna

Jeanna

I guess  you could  call it a stack of pancakes .........  and  no syurip  please .........I am  on a low  galvanic  diet .



What I am thinking right now .......is that  using  small  wires sizes  it would be  pretty cheap  to wind a few of these coils
like you  are doing  with your coils .




With a  core through the middle of them .......its kind of like a modular  earth battery . 

gary


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #87 on: April 21, 2008, 06:18:47 AM »
Tesla/Stubblefield set-up whereby you have a pancake bifilar except we use the old bare cu and fe wire insulated with cotton and add an iron core.  The core, of course, would be more like a disk than a rod. 

 What do you think?  I would like to see what this puts out.

Bill

I probably should go to sleep instead of ask another question but... ;D

I can't picture this. the pancake is flat on the ground like the picture ok. And the core is a sheet in the form of a disk? I can't follow the core part?

Anyway it seems to me that it wouldn't need the corepiece or anything else the way he wrote the patent. but lets say it does and you are going to hold onto some of the mag field you produce with the coil as in the NS core piece 1 primary, where would you put the core?

a pic a drawing?

jeanna

ps

yes gary, that is like what I thought Bill was doing. stab the middle like the record spindle.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #88 on: April 21, 2008, 06:19:58 AM »
@ All:

OK.  I have been reading the last several posts and (Oh no, not again) may have an idea.  I noticed on the Tesla patent for the pancake coil that all the wire (bifilar) were insulated and, as Jeanna pointed out, no core.  Way back when we were wondering if it was better to have a short coil with many, many layers or a longer coil with a few.  so, what I am thinking is trying a Tesla/Stubblefield set-up whereby you have a pancake bifilar except we use the old bare cu and fe wire insulated with cotton and add an iron core.  The core, of course, would be more like a disk than a rod.  This would be easy to wind.  An old record player would be handy at this point.  Not to use the motor but, you could hand spin it while winding and keeping it flat.  What do you think?  I would like to see what this puts out.

Bill

Bill

The  record player  idea might work great  for  small wired

You  would have to glue   the  wire to something  every once in a while .

I  remember  another site people were  winding  pancake  coils for something ......can't remember  what they were for   you   have to pull  on the wire some as you wind  to keep  the winding tight.  ...... if  the wire is not  secured well .......you  will  get to a certain  point and the  wire will pop off  of other windings ........once  it pops ......you  are done ...no chance of fixing  it.   

one of the ways  they  were  doing it is  winding  the pancake  between to heavy plastic  sheets . 


gary


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #89 on: April 21, 2008, 06:23:06 AM »
Jeanna:

Yes, you put the core (disk) in the middle.  That is not what Tesla was doing.  His wires were both the same and were not bare either.  I was talking of combining both ideas.  Copper and iron bare, and a core, but pancake style winding.  Maybe nothing here.  Maybe something.  I didn't consider Gary's idea of stacking.  As he said....modular.  You want X power....you need X number of pancakes.  Also, as he said, wired in series or parallel depending on the requirements.

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