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Author Topic: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations  (Read 266935 times)

Offline jeanna

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2008, 06:12:29 PM »
@ Jeanna:

I may have to dig my coil up and try to plant it deeper this time.  It is only in the ground a little more than halfway, which might really be affecting it in ways I don't understand.
Bill
Maybe. I really think he talked about true burial for the sake of the patent officers who were familiar with batteries in jars and in the ground, but couldn't understand what he was doing with frequency.

I noticed something in the patent yesterday.

I have been making a test series to see if the gauge of the cu and fe must be the same. I was thinking I could learn something about this coil by making 3 small ones.
1- both wires thick and equal as before 1/4 in x 6 in bolt wrapped with cotton, etc
2- one same as above but, with a thin cu wire
3- one same as above but, with a thin fe wire.

I was reading what the internet had to say about NS again and I happened to notice that the thickness of the cu including the wrapping is the same as the thickness of the fe wire. So, I may be on to something, here. (Maybe everyone already noticed that and I am the last to see it.)

Then I realized that all the cu was in perfect alignment with cu and fe with the fe. So, they would be like pancake wound coils looking like discs except that they are also attached in a spiral fashion  by the wire to the next disc  and at the same time interrupted by the pancake disc of the other metal. (hard to describe)

I bet this is important. I think I may have hit on it with the one that broke.  Now, perhaps is the time to open that one up. or not. I will be sure to make the one with even wires like pancakes.

Possibly Sid and Joe did this. maybe it is the natural thing if you use a lathe or like a lathe with strong spool ends to wind this, maybe that is how it winds automatically.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2008, 06:50:16 PM »
@ Jeanna:

Both the wires on my coils are the same diameter, well, the copper is .003" larger but for all practical purposes, the same.  I am not sure what you mean by the pancake winding.  My wires are all symmetrically aligned with each other and fit the same way up and down the coil as they are wound.  I wound both the wires at the same time which is the only way I could figure out how to do it.  Yes, it was by hand which sucks!!!  My next one will be done with a machine of some type, drill, motor shaft, something.  I pulled my coil up from the ground, and am now looking for a pipe of the proper diameter to drive into the ground deeper to make the hole deeper for my coil.  I drive in the pipe or rod and pull it out and drop the coil in.  Problem is, my coil is now pretty fat with the added cotton outside layer so I need a larger ramrod.

Bill


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2008, 07:06:43 PM »
@jeanna good call ...

I realized that a while back when i started screaming tesla.. its a bunch of his original bifilar coils wound in a solonoid fashion.. very novel design mr Stubblefield had here .. look a the pic from the tesla patent taht should do it for you.
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2008, 07:18:17 PM »
  I am not sure what you mean by the pancake winding.  My wires are all symmetrically aligned with each other and fit the same way up and down the coil as they are wound.  I wound both the wires at the same time which is the only way I could figure out how to do it.
Bill,

I just used the word pancake to bring up the image. It's as you look at the cu wire for instance but from a different dimension. When it is finished if you were to slice through it there would be a stack of cu if viewed from one way, but if you could strip away all other layers and wires you would see a pancake even though it is not wound as a pancake. It is hard to describe. It is from a different dimension of viewing.

This is probably the best way to put it:
When you get to the bottom and begin to wind it back up again is the first wire going up the same as the last wire of the previous row? That is what I noticed about the drawing yesterday.

My assumption was that the most inductance would come about if the wires alternated cu to fe on rows as well as on each row. It is not how he drew it.

The thickness thing is just my own experiment. It might show which metal is responsible for what in the effect of the coil. (just one of my left field ideas I'm getting famous for. ;D ;) )

jeanna

YES JOE, that is it. btw thanks for the pic. I think it helps.
I also want to acknowledge that Hans sent out that pic but I wasn't ready for it until now. 8)
« Last Edit: April 20, 2008, 08:13:18 PM by jeanna »


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2008, 07:31:36 PM »
Copper wire insulated had minimal volatge and current when copper fully exposed but not touching steel wire curren increase 10x .


Try this if you have time incert two wires in a cup of water copper insulated except the little nub at the end and iron uninsulated bare .  Take readings.   Now strip the copper bare and the iron bare take readings . Make sure they dont touch through all the tests. third test take small iron bolt or zinc bolt make a spiral coil around it but not touching with the copper thick wire if possible. Take readings.  then do the same with bare copper make sure it doesent touch the iron bolt.  There is somethign to it being coiled and in close proximity of the other bimetal . ;D
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2008, 08:19:40 PM »


I was reading what the internet had to say about NS again and I happened to notice that the thickness of the cu including the wrapping is the same as the thickness of the fe wire. So, I may be on to something, here. (Maybe everyone already noticed that and I am the last to see it.)



Jeanna

I  agree the  ratio  of  copper and   iron  is probably important. 

When I  built my cell I was shooting  for  the iron  being the same size as the wrapped cotton .......mostly because  of  resistance .    A larger wire  will have less resistance  then a  thiner wire .


I can't  find  it now  but I  remember seeing a ratio  for  water batterys   

I am guessing  that the ratio  for the   galvanomic  prosess  is probably  different than the  ratio for the magnetic   prosess I am playing with .   


HHHhhhhhmmmmm     I can  test  the  magnetic   part  with my  big  cap ........ I think I will  try putting it together  with  2 iron plates for each copper ......   I have plenty  of  iron ........ the  copper is  expensive ......it  would cost $30  for another  coil  of copper  to test  going the other way .   


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2008, 08:43:15 PM »
......it  would cost $30  for another  coil  of copper  to test  going the other way .   


gary
How do you test the magnetic part with a cap?

I like testing with a cap in general because the meter is not able to mess with things, but how do mean to test the magnetic part?

The cost is the reason I was and still am making rather diminutive coils. I can see the effects and change them for less money. When I think I am ready I can pay the big bucks for some plenty-copper-wire.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2008, 09:53:34 PM »
@ Jeanna:

Yes, now I see what you mean. (Thanks to Joe posting the Tesla photo)  The view you are talking about is a cross-section.  And yes, when I reached the bottom in my windings I started up again and the cu was directly on top of the cu and the fe on top of the fe, and so on.  But, your readings are similar to mine so maybe it does not matter all that much?

@ Joe:

I think I see what you are getting at with the cup of water experiments.  I agree about the cu wire bing bare.  One thing I have not tried, that Han's said should work the same, is to use insulated fe wire and bare cu wire.  Winding would sure be easier.  Maybe I should test on a very small scale to see if it still works like that?  We would still need cotton to insulate the core, and the layers I believe.  What is it about the copper itself?  And its relationship to the iron wire?  I was always wondering if we could use another metal (cheaper) than copper for the wire?  The only other thing I could think of that we could get easily would be aluminum wire.  Maybe this would work better?  NS did not have access to AL wire at that time, I think, so his not using it might not be because it would not work?  (It might work better) Again, so many things to experiment on and explore. (So little $$ for materials)

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2008, 10:40:44 PM »
@ All:

I have a new personal record after burying my coil all the way:


AC Volts: 1.3 vac
DC Volts: .93vdc
Ma: 56mA  (drops to 47 mA pretty fast)

OK so, well, I added a little distilled white vinegar (5% solution) to the hole before inserting my coil.  The readings are staying consistent.  I also added some water while inserting my coil so we will have to see what happens.

Bill

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« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2008, 10:43:40 PM »
@ All:

I am going to try to tie the cell together with my electrodes to see what kind of number I can get now.  My camera batteries are dead, but if I can make my ac adapter cord reach far enough, I will try to take a few photos.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2008, 10:57:12 PM »

How do you test the magnetic part with a cap?

I like testing with a cap in general because the meter is not able to mess with things, but how do mean to test the magnetic part?

The cost is the reason I was and still am making rather diminutive coils. I can see the effects and change them for less money. When I think I am ready I can pay the big bucks for some plenty-copper-wire.

Jeanna

I am  doing  almost the same thing   you  are  doing  ........only  you are  looking for a result  that is  both  galvanic and magnetic .


For a galvanic  reaction  you  are looking at how  2 metals  react  with water .

In my opinion   galvanic  action is not  true over unity  because  it will eventually  destroy the cell  as  it created energy .......it is a chemecal  reaction

I am looking  for  a magnetic reaction  or rather a difference in  magnetic  reactions from  different metals in a  magnetic  field   ( earths magnetic field ) 

by using a cap  I am also  ruling out  self  created  magnetic fields that a coil might make.

So far  my  copper / iron  cap     creates   between .5 and .6 V      but no measurable current .



I  hope this answers your question   


gary   


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2008, 11:06:52 PM »
Hello Guys, I most exclusivly use Tesla bifilar flat wound coils # 8 or larger size wire.The bifilar phase shifts to 180 degrees out of phase-phase shift.This appears to be a direct short .There is a tap where the two wires come togather.The bifilar properly built "IS" a capacitor.Then there is a monster ground as per Tesla.He always used monster grounds of the best copper this was because of the small resistance."Olms law".(One of the coils I built was 25 to 28 turns of #8 copper wire.I had some wierd waves come off this configiration,house hold voltage was 140v at 15amps.)*Mabe this information will help*.My new coil I'm working on is a # 1 size copper cable this is a little dangerous I'm saving my money to buy the proper test equipment to test some new generators.Wire the capacitors in the "Tesla Switch" configuration would be my thoughts on regular caps, because this gives the 180 shift."Tesla said "ALL POWER SPINS OFF {ZERO (- 0 -)}" ALL Bifilars will give you these mathmatics.Trifilars are different.Inside of a silinoid gives this same scalar wave can be amplified with a regular Tesla coil sitting on top.Sorry I have been gone for so long. Some people offered me 225,000 usd and they had a bad attitude and p.s. me off ,they demanded me to sign a contract with them.This information will give us FE and Antigravity.Use this wisely.Andy McQuerry (phononstring@yahoo.com)


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2008, 11:15:12 PM »


 What is it about the copper itself?  And its relationship to the iron wire?  I was always wondering if we could use another metal (cheaper) than copper for the wire?  The only other thing I could think of that we could get easily would be aluminum wire.  Maybe this would work better?  NS did not have access to AL wire at that time, I think, so his not using it might not be because it would not work?  (It might work better) Again, so many things to experiment on and explore. (So little $$ for materials)

Bill


Bill   

one of the reasons   I   made my cap is to  check out  the  interactions  between  different metals 

I was very hopeful that  aluminum  would  work  out .

my readings  with aluminum  / copper   and aluminum  /iron  were both very low ..... of course  I was only  checking  dry  voltage     ( non galvanomic ) 

If you  get a very good  galvanic   reaction it still might work in  the coils .


gary

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2008, 11:30:50 PM »
Hello Guys, I most exclusivly use Tesla bifilar flat wound coils # 8 or larger size wire.The bifilar phase shifts to 180 degrees out of phase-phase shift.This appears to be a direct short .There is a tap where the two wires come togather.The bifilar properly built "IS" a capacitor.Then there is a monster ground as per Tesla.He always used monster grounds of the best copper this was because of the small resistance."Olms law".(One of the coils I built was 25 to 28 turns of #8 copper wire.I had some wierd waves come off this configiration,house hold voltage was 140v at 15amps.)*Mabe this information will help*.My new coil I'm working on is a # 1 size copper cable this is a little dangerous I'm saving my money to buy the proper test equipment to test some new generators.Wire the capacitors in the "Tesla Switch" configuration would be my thoughts on regular caps, because this gives the 180 shift."Tesla said "ALL POWER SPINS OFF {ZERO (- 0 -)}" ALL Bifilars will give you these mathmatics.Trifilars are different.Inside of a silinoid gives this same scalar wave can be amplified with a regular Tesla coil sitting on top.Sorry I have been gone for so long. Some people offered me 225,000 usd and they had a bad attitude and p.s. me off ,they demanded me to sign a contract with them.This information will give us FE and Antigravity.Use this wisely.Andy McQuerry (phononstring@yahoo.com)

Welcome back  Andy

As  someone that  has worked with  Tesla  bifilar coils ......  do  you think that winding   a Tesla  bifilar with one coil  copper  and one iron  would  make  something similar to a  stubbfield  cell ?


gary


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2008, 11:50:47 PM »
Gary,There are several types of Tesla bifilar, flat wound and spool,are two types. The answer is yes!!!!!!!! A Tesla coil mounted on top, amplifies the scalar wave drastically.Phone me 870-862-8020 Andy McQuerry

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