@ Gary:

Yes, I agree.  I will see if I can get some more wire and give it a go.  I have to re-think the cotton in between the wires for this one.  My trick with the string will not work as far as I can see.  And yes, I agree, it will not be easy, but hey, that has never stopped us before has it?  I will think on this some while trying to sleep.  This could be an entire new direction for us.  We will see.

Bill

I  agree ........we might  be on to something here.   

@ All:

We had another aftershock this morning at 12:22 a.m.  This earthquake stuff is getting weird.  I hope my buried coil is not upsetting the balance of plate tectonics. (Grin)

Bill

Hi All,
(wow I am glad I went to sleep when I did. It all makes sense to me this morning.)

Gary

This  loop  is  pretty predictable .....   we could pass a  " bobbin "  though the loop  and  pull   both threads tight ......then  move on an inch or 2  ...........every  5 or  6 stitches  it might   be a good idea to make an extra  stitch or  2  to act as a knot   in case  a thread brakes or something .   


more  details  later .......on  backing ,  needles  and stuff


gary 

This is a really excellent suggestion - idea.

You can get el cheapo embroidery backing in the crafts section somewhere. Also, the name for the real backing for rugs or embroidery is "huck". Huck is a type of weave structure but this rug item has been called huck for a long time. The stiffness of these backings will make it easier.

Once a hippie boot maker showed me how to make that 2 thread loop.

He used a sewing awl which is a fat sewing machine needle attached to a handle that houses a bobbin of thread.
There was another source of thread which stayed on the bottom in a separate bobbin.

First, using the awl, he poked the threaded needle through the cloth
Then he pulled the needle back a little which made a loop.
Then he threaded the second thread (bottom thread) through this loop.
Then he pulled the needle back to the top side which pulled this loop with its extra thread to the center of the leather.
Then he made the knot snug by tugging the thread from all directions.
then he started the next stitch by poking the awl fron the top again... etc.

Gary, this is a great idea. I have been hand sewing the cotton around the layers in chad's design on the last 3 coils and sewing really works. It makes a very secure wrap with little effort or cost.

EDIT:
I just remembered another way.

Thread one piece of thread onto 2 needles and poke through the cloth.
Bring the thread to its center point in the middle of the cloth.
now sew from both sides into the next spot one from the top and one from the bottom and that is the first stitch.
Then move on to the next spot and sew from both sides again.

jeanna

Here (should be) a picture from yesterday's tests.  You should be able to see my buried coil.  This test was made using the carbon rod for the + and the core of the coil for the -.  (This site is really hanging up today, I have been having problems posting anything) This shows 1.32 VDC.

Bill

This shows 47.2 mA.  It is much higher now  (68 mA) and had continued increasing yesterday after this was taken. I hope it is higher tomorrow. Note: this reading is taken from just the coil only between the core and the cu wire.

Bill

@ Jeanna:

Way back near the beginning of Joe's topic somewhere there was a post about some Russian scientists that measured the frequency of the earth's electrical energy at 5 cycles per second.  Very low.

I have always checked all of my measurements from the cu to the core, or the fe to the core.  Never (almost never) any of the wires to each other.  On my first coil, I leaned to do it this way as the readings are always higher, much higher between these two points. Now, yesterday, just for the hell of it I did check and still, very low numbers.  Something like.49 vdc and 10 mA's.  It is the same exact readings no matter which two wires I use. (Not iron to iron or cu to cu of course) I mean if I use the ones from the beginning of the wind or the end, same readings exactly.  I like the numbers better from the core!!!!  If you look closely in the pics you can see my little alligator clip attached to the head of the core.  Hard to see as my pics lose so much resolution from being reduced to 50kb.  You can also see the earth is damp but not soaked, even drier today and my numbers are heading the right way.  A friend of mine just stopped by and I just hooked up the meter to show him the coil.  I told him to read off the numbers on the amps setting.  He said, "Holy crap!! that just read 82mA's"!  That is my highest mA reading to date.  Now, it jumped down to 72 real fast but he could not believe it.

Bill

I have decided  to  rebuild my original  coil into  a pancake coil .

I am  going to leave the  insulation the same  so it is  more of a  apples to apples comarison


I found  at Lowes   what  to me might be  almost idea  for  a backing for the bigger  wires  at least .

It  is  PVC  hardware  net .   ........  it was  right next to the chicken wire .

The  kind  I  got has  about  1/2 in  spaces in between ..........maybe  to far apart for the smaller  wires ............but  Jeanna  knows  about   other backings .       


I am going to use  waxed dental  floss  for  thread .    it is very strong ........and   the  wax will tend to keep it from slipping

for a needle  I will  be using  1/4 in  polyethylene  tubing .......a straw would work for a while ......  but this tubing  is alot  stronger .   


gary

@ Gary:

Well, in the big scheme of things, still very small, but in our world, pretty decent amps reading.  You are right about the thick insulation on the zip cord but yes, speaker wire was something I thought of a little later and possibly, there is something else even better.  I just thought it would be easier since they are already insulated from each other and side by side, which could be turned to be top and bottom.  You might check at a home center where they have many types of wire on spools...Lowe's, Home depot, etc.  Not much in the way of electronics supplies there but, we might find something
in home electrics that would suit our purposes.

I saw your post about my urinating on my coil.  Don't rule that out just yet.  If I thought it might raise the mA readings, I would do it in a heartbeat.  Ha ha.  I just hope it keeps slowly creeping up.

Bill

Bill

Right now I am going to  keep  working on  copper / iron  pancake coils  .... maybe later   I will do one or 2 with copper / copper just to see how much  different they are from each other.   


gary