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Author Topic: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations  (Read 266248 times)

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Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« on: April 10, 2008, 03:43:54 AM »
I started this topic so we could continue to branch off into other (related?) research without slowing down the progress in the Earth Battery Experiments thread.  This topic, hopefully, will compliment the work being done over there.  I will try to repost some of the things being worked on to get up to speed.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 03:57:38 AM »
@ All:

What I would like to see us do over here is to research why were are getting power out of these cells.  Maybe, if once we know why, we can take the steps required to improve the output.  Possibly a few changes in wire size, coil sizes, insulation, might help us to increase the ma's output.

I will try to post some pictures of my latest coils for the newer people that have not seen them.  Thanks.

Bill

This is my larger primary coil: 2 windings of bare iron wire and bare copper wire insulated by cotton material from the iron core, and cotton string between the wires.  Output: .82 vdc and 19mA.


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2008, 04:15:34 AM »
19 mA sounds good.
Can you please post the sizes of this coil and how you hooked this up
to get this 19 mA current out of it ?
Many thanks.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 04:58:59 AM »
OK Bill, I will throw in a pic of NS batteries numbers 10 and 11

#11 is in front. Can you see 19.8mA? Voltage so far is around 850mvdc.
This is the one still in progress with the rest of the wire in the packages on the floor. BTW it is made over a 3/4 inch pipe.

The one above is #10. Can you see the small secondary on it? I will give a full report later on these.

I made both using 24 gauge wire cu and zn coated steel. You can see the cloth liner in between layers. I am actually sewing the ends around the wires at the turn around. It is very secure against shorts. thanks Chad!

jeanna
maybe the second pic is bigger


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2008, 06:50:26 AM »
I guess  sense  we  have a  place just for  speculating   I  will  share a bit about  my  speculations .

My  basic  theory  is that   the  copper and iron  react to  magnetic fields at  different rates .

I  wanted  a way to  check  a few variables  relatively  quickly 

It is kind  of hard to  rewind a coil over and over to check  different  insulation or  metal combinations 
so I made a  capacitor

So  far  I  have  only  checked  cotton  for the insulation ....

So far  I am  trying to see what I can get  dry  ..........non  galvanomic ............but  I  can  switch  to wet ;later  if  needed .


One of my theorys  was that aluminum  might  be a good metal for a battery .   It  would not have  been  available  to Stubblfield .   
SO far it looks  like  copper / iron  is  still best .

What I am calling  iron is  really  galvinised  steal flashing ........close  as I could find to iron .

Iron  / copper / cotton          .580  V
Aluminum  / iron  / cotton    .045 V
Aluminum / copper / cotton   .414 V

none  of them  had any  power ...... Iron / copper was the only one that registered  any at all with   .001  mA

Cotton makes  a VERY poor  capacitor insulation  .   I can  charge it  up with about 20 V  and  half the  charge is gone  within  a second  or so .

I  am  thinking  of  testing them  with  a plastic  insulator next  ......mostly to see how high the  voltage will go  if the  current  is not  leaking  through the insulator 


gary




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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2008, 07:17:27 AM »
@ Gary:

See?  I think you are on the right track here.  Thinking about what Stubblefield had available to him and now, what we have.  What I mean is if we now have available some things he didn't even dream of, it does not mean that they are better, or worse...it means we have to find out.  Like I said earlier, I want to know how this power is generated (if possible) and then we can change stuff to maximize the "effect".  I'm all ears.  Maybe we will find out that if we use a wire made up of something not available to NS then, it will be much better.  Supercaps?  NS did not have access to them.  This is going to be interesting.

Jeanna:

Good going!  You are getting some good power there!  (Nice pics)  Let me see if my math is correct now.....850 mvdc=.85 v.  A very good number!  19.8 mA is as good (or better) than what I am getting!  I think we are on the right track here.  This is gonna be fun.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2008, 07:38:10 AM »
One  of the things that  my  theory  is about    all the  magnetic  fields  should  charge the   iron to a slightly  more than the copper ........this should cause a small flow  of  current  from  the  iron to the copper with each cycle .


So far I have not  found  any  AC  in my cap .......at least not  using  both  meter leads .

I do get  AC readings  with my meter  using  just  1 lead ......  I don't  know if this is a quirk of my cap  or my meter .


Aluminum / iron / cotton          Aluminum   .011 V     Iron  .014 V
Aluminum /copper /cotton      Aluminum  .030 V     copper .015 V

I  had already rebuilt   my cap with different  plates when I started  recording these  so I don't have any  reading for  copper /iron  but  they were higher if I  remember right .


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2008, 07:42:44 AM »
Gary:

I agree.  When we discussed about galvanic action earlier, the only thing that does not fit is the destruction of one of the metals involved.  So, possibly this is a "sort" of galvanic action that is not destructive yet produces energy due to the differences in the copper and iron.  I am not speaking like I know because I don't.  That's what this topic is for....exploration into the unknown.  Later, I will post more about my digital meter and the ac.  I will tell you what scale I am on, etc.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2008, 07:52:48 AM »
@ Stefan:

First, my 19mA is not near the highest seen here on ou.com for this type of coil.  Jeanna is getting a little better than that, and someone, I can't recall, was getting around 80 mA's.  (much larger coil)  The size of the coil in the photo was (I am going to do this in metric for you Stefan)  30.5 cm long (12") x 2 cm diameter (almost an inch).  This has two layers of windings of bare copper and iron wire. (about 30 feet of each)  This thing gives off energy when dry!  It is much higher when wet but it will continue to produce energy when just sitting there.  I will produce another video featuring this new coil set-up soon.  To hook it up, in the begining, I just measured between the copper and iron wire to get my readings.  Now, for some unknown reason, I have to measure between the iron wire and the iron core to get this same readings.  It is almost as if the polarity has shifted from being both wet and dry.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2008, 08:19:03 AM »

so I made a  capacitor

So  far  I  have  only  checked  cotton  for the insulation ....

So far  I am  trying to see what I can get  dry  ..........non  galvanomic ............but  I  can  switch  to wet ;later  if  needed .



Cotton makes  a VERY poor  capacitor insulation  .   I can  charge it  up with about 20 V  and  half the  charge is gone  within  a second  or so .

I  am  thinking  of  testing them  with  a plastic  insulator next gary

Gary,
One of my plans in the beginning of my work with the NS coil was to copy what NS did as closely as possible. I wondered out loud what the cloth would be since NS did not specify. Hans told me that he has had his hands on many insulated wires from that time and the cloth they used was silk. Now, silk has always been very expensive and cotton has been cheap since the late 1700 maybe mid 1800's but it was always cheaper than silk. I figure the electric guys would not have used silk unless it worked better.

So, my first 3 coils were lined and wrapped with silk cloth.

The reason my recent coils have been putting out is that I have been using cotton. As soon as I switched the readings went up to where everyone else's were.

Silk is much thinner, and it flies up in my face when I tear a strip it is so filled with static and therefore a good dielectric, but it just does not hold the water that cotton does. Not only does the cotton hold more water, it absorbs it from the air.

 So, I would like to see your capacitance test done with silk, since there may still be a reason to switch back to it.

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2008, 08:19:59 AM »
Gary:

I agree.  When we discussed about galvanic action earlier, the only thing that does not fit is the destruction of one of the metals involved.  So, possibly this is a "sort" of galvanic action that is not destructive yet produces energy due to the differences in the copper and iron.  I am not speaking like I know because I don't.  That's what this topic is for....exploration into the unknown.  Later, I will post more about my digital meter and the ac.  I will tell you what scale I am on, etc.

Bill

Bill  my  theory is that it is  not galvanomic  but magnetic

This  theory  started  when I was reading  the TPU thread  someone  was trying to explain that  magnetic fields  are attracted to iron 
From   what I saw the  conversation didn't go  very well .......but it kind of  stuck with me . 

 If my theory  is  right ........each cycle the  iron should  develop a slightly higher  change than the copper ....
The  difference in charge it very small .......  of  course  raising the  power of the magnetic field  would make it alot easier   to get  a useful amount of power .......but  I am looking for  a non  powered   system  at  the moment  . 

I have another theory  for step 2 if I can get  more  than  just a trickle  of power out of this ..


gary

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2008, 08:24:41 AM »
  Now, for some unknown reason, I have to measure between the iron wire and the iron core to get this same readings.  It is almost as if the polarity has shifted from being both wet and dry.

Bill
ooo now that is very interesting. My first coils which did not show much across the wires did something much better when I shorted them to the iron core.
I will have to re read my notes to see if it is worth reporting on it.

jeanna


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2008, 08:32:31 AM »
Gary:

Well, with my engineering background I have to say that I always think about scalability.  If I have a working gravity wheel (ala Bessler) that is 6" in diameter and only puts out a very slight amount of power, I instantly start thinking of a Ferris wheel sized device.  So, the small amount of energy here at this time does not thrill me, or concern me.  What does thrill me, and no one ever taught me in College, or anywhere else, is that this energy (small as it is at the moment) is FREE and continues to be produced.  That to me is something.  That is what got me hooked into this with Joe's first post.  Stick some rods in the earth...get power.  It is incredible.  I agree it is magnetics and possibly other things not understood.  What I think I have with my coil is a battery that (small as its output is at the moment) keeps putting out and may never die.  This is incredible to me and add to that, NS did this at the turn of the century and we are now just looking back into it?  My tag line on my profile is "Attempting to know the unknown" which has never been more relevant than it is right now.

Bill

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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2008, 09:04:20 AM »

 So, I would like to see your capacitance test done with silk, since there may still be a reason to switch back to it.



I  will  check and see  how  much  silk  will cost .

not sure if the width is the same .......but it took a full  2 yards  of   canvas for my cotton  insulation . 

I am not  sure that it will  hold a charge better than  cotton ...........but if it  doesn't cost to much it is worth testing .

gary 


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Re: Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2008, 09:28:21 AM »
Gary:

Well, with my engineering background I have to say that I always think about scalability.  If I have a working gravity wheel (ala Bessler) that is 6" in diameter and only puts out a very slight amount of power, I instantly start thinking of a Ferris wheel sized device.  So, the small amount of energy here at this time does not thrill me, or concern me.  What does thrill me, and no one ever taught me in College, or anywhere else, is that this energy (small as it is at the moment) is FREE and continues to be produced.  That to me is something.  That is what got me hooked into this with Joe's first post.  Stick some rods in the earth...get power.  It is incredible.  I agree it is magnetics and possibly other things not understood.  What I think I have with my coil is a battery that (small as its output is at the moment) keeps putting out and may never die.  This is incredible to me and add to that, NS did this at the turn of the century and we are now just looking back into it?  My tag line on my profile is "Attempting to know the unknown" which has never been more relevant than it is right now.

Bill

Bill   

I would  think that  any  galvanomic reaction would  some day wear out .............I do agree that it will take  a long time . 
I looked at alot  of stuff on this  site before I  decided to see what I could do with  earth batterys

A hobby of mine  has always been inventing  mechanical things ........ yes most things can  be scaled up ..........but  it is not always practical

I  don't   spend alot of  time  with  gravity wheels and  stuff like that because  of  how  big and expensive it would  be  to make a  good amount of power.   

We  arn't  getting much  power yet .............but we are still taking the first steps .   I think there are alot  of ' tricks ' that can  be used .

I think there is alot of  potential  in  earth batterys .   

I also think that alot of  that  potental can be unlocked  by   following a few simple  steps ........think   observe   experment   varify . 
     
another   big plus ........no  transistors or tubes  are needed


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