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Author Topic: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)  (Read 338536 times)

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2008, 08:20:00 PM »
OK this is way far fetched but I feel the need to say it:

Think of the center line on a scope as a wire.

Now in our tests we have three of the lines one in the middle  the collector...

As the wave propgates above the line and below the line it is doing the same across the wire...

Now the higher the frequency the faster these pulses occur.

Could it be that as the wave flows above the line it is trapping potential around the line and is expelling non useable shells at the bottom like a pistion...

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« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2008, 08:59:29 PM »
@loner

As far as posting. Post whatever pics, schematics, etc.. you have. Please describe what effects are noted, what successes if any, AND what failures. In that manner, maybe we can stave off making the SAME mistakes over and over.

I have come up with a new schematic I am considering, and I will post it as well. (driver circuit for rotation, but you will think me a traitor, since I thought of another possible way to achieve rotation, using mosfets and trigger circuits combined with a capacitor/inductor discharge circuit for enhanced power. I am not for sure the circuit will even work, but if it does, it should work at full mosfet speed capability.)

Concerning your question about enhancing or gaining voltage in your circuit. Do you remember the old tesla coil days, when oftentimes in those days you had to drive your primary circuit with a battery. They accomplished this using what they called a "kick" or "kicker" coil. They would hook up an inductive coil to a point type system, an rapidly make and break the circuit. The high inductance coil would draw an amperage surge, which would then convert to voltage at the break. They could easily achieve 5000volts in this manner to charge their primary capacitors.

Now, I doubt that you are looking for this much voltage, but using high speed power transistors, you can get 60v easy out of a 9v battery. :D Remember the schematic I was talking about earlier? I think we are thinking somewhat along the same lines. I was experimenting with unloaded coils last night to test voltage amplification of short duration spike signals through an air core inductance using my scope. I achieved 60v. I will duplicate it again and try to post pics.

I was using a 555 timer circuit and extremely low on times (very short duty cycles), to the point that any less, and the 555 would quit oscillating. I put this signal through a parallel cap/ind tank to achieve a needle shaped spike signal, then fed this through the test inductance.  I saw some MIGHTY interesting stuff happening, which I hope to share with all here!

I will see what I can do about getting the stuff posted today if possible.

Paul Andrulis



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« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2008, 10:16:01 PM »
Here are a few schematics.

1. This is my possible driver circuit for rotation that I mentioned last post. In case the words dont come through. All mosfets show as grounded. In reality, they are power outputs to the respective control coil for each. 3 small toroidal cores wound with each a small power inductance coil, and a small trigger coil. PC1,2,3 and T1,2,3 respectively (example PC1 & T1 on same core)

(http://www.geocities.com/pauldude000/images/possiblecc.jpg) 

2. Here is a good 555 testing circuit. As shown it is 50% duty cycle within a broad range. Using a Cmos 555, I have over-clocked to 4.9Mhz (with a sloppy waveform at this speed).

Notes:

Change 1.5k fixed resistor to 3k variable linear trimmer pot, and change 50k variable to 100k trimmer pot, for variable duty cycle with extremely wide range. My current 555 pulse testing circuit. I am using a TS555CN, which is rated to 2.7Mhz. (yes, I said 4.9 above, and I mean 4.9) scope shots and freq meter shots available on otto's TPU/ECD thread.

(http://www.geocities.com/pauldude000/images/555ContDuty.jpg)

I will post the scope shots promised earlier of my experimentation later.

Paul Andrulis

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« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2008, 01:41:22 AM »
Paul,
I have a quick question for you.  Would there be any benefit to using a Marko Rodin coil?  I always wondered if the winding and geometry to add some benefit.  Thanks

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2008, 03:37:39 AM »
@loner

I dont upload my photos here, I use my geocities site to store them, then just link to them.

As for one small toroid, I thought of that, but then realized that a smaller toroid would run at higher frequency than the large toroid. With the small toroids close to, or inside the perimeter of, the large toroid, they should be somewhat limited to the frequency of the field itself. I think. Maybe. possibly? (I hope.)

Art, I have thought of one possible problem to overcome with the circuit. Upon initial powerup, or switch-on, as the case may be, there may be an initial false triggering of all three coils. Another question, after mosfets 1,2,3 have all fired, will they stay in the "on" position? We may have to figure a means of using npn switching transistors on the gates to manually turn them off.

To the best of my knowledge, after the capacitor is drained, the toroid should quit producing electricity in the trigger coil, as the current would then be steady producing no voltage in the trigger, which should shut off the mosfet. That was my original thinking. Maybe a small resistor in the gate circuit could cure this if it is a problem.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2008, 06:13:33 AM »
Paul,
I have a quick question for you.  Would there be any benefit to using a Marko Rodin coil?  I always wondered if the winding and geometry to add some benefit.  Thanks

Special geometries can do interesting things, as not only the signal sent through a coil affects the field, so does the shape and manner of winding affect field shape. However, I do not think that the Rodin coil would be special, just because is it based upon fractals and numerology. If it is special, it is going to be because of field shape and interaction. Otherwise, it is the same as many types of toroidal transformer. The geometry of winding the transformer I have seen used in a couple of high power cheap car audio amps.

If you want to try one, try one. I cannot state what it will or wont do without trying it myself.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2008, 10:17:47 AM »
@loner & all

I did some playing around, and have taken and uploaded the pics promised. (I love playing with my cute little driver circuit.) The driver circuit in this case is the output from my 555, run through a parallel Capacitor/air core inductor tank circuit. This I sent though an unloaded air core coil and adjusted the 555 output frequency for desired effect.


First, the voltage enhancement which can come from resonance in an inductor/capacitance. I told someone once how I could easily get AC from DC as well. Here you go. NOTE the DC waveform piggybacking the much greater voltage AC.

(http://www.geocities.com/pauldude000/example2/127vac5vdv.jpg)

Next is something I noticed CLOSE to resonance frequency, right before and after resonance. Note it is still sine, but the same signal is duplicated and PLACED OUT OF PHASE.

(http://www.geocities.com/pauldude000/example2/outofphaseres5vdv.jpg)

This is really interesting and thought provoking stuff.

Paul Andrulis


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #127 on: April 16, 2008, 10:25:14 AM »
I forgot to mention one thing towards the pictures above.

Both are taken at the same frequency setting ( .2 us ) and the same Volt/div ( 5v/div ) which is evident in any case through the pictures. Picture no 2 (phase difference) is relatively indicative of the voltage of the original waveform.

One thing that is a royal PAIN when adjusting for resonance is the sensitivity of the circuitry at this point. Just the capacitance of the proximity of your body close to any circuitry at this point changes the waveform!!!! (adjusting the pots becomes a chore)

Paul Andrulis

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2008, 01:06:43 PM »
I forgot to mention one thing towards the pictures above.

Both are taken at the same frequency setting ( .2 us ) and the same Volt/div ( 5v/div ) which is evident in any case through the pictures. Picture no 2 (phase difference) is relatively indicative of the voltage of the original waveform.

One thing that is a royal PAIN when adjusting for resonance is the sensitivity of the circuitry at this point. Just the capacitance of the proximity of your body close to any circuitry at this point changes the waveform!!!! (adjusting the pots becomes a chore)

Paul Andrulis

Does it mean you have a three pulse coils on a collector wire arrangement? On pic.2 it seems that the pulse rise time immediately triggers a wide sine-wave segment. The rise time of the pulse is at least 4ns or smaller, is this right?

Probably you should use "solid-state" triggering tied to pulse driver with three independent outputs. Your setup is obviously too sensitive for triggering - any coils are sensitive to ambient EM fields. It's elegant way to trigger coils, but it is unprecise.

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« Reply #129 on: April 16, 2008, 09:56:25 PM »
@aleks

Yes, the rise time is VERY small, as in designing my 555 circuit, I tried for as little variance from a perfect square wave as possible. A theoretically perfect square wave has no rise time, but this is impossible to build in reality. I managed to get it very very close though. The high speed npn transistor's own rise fall/times help stabilize the 555 clocking circuit, resulting in the ability to overclock, and better waveform. My TS555's are rated on spec sheet at 2.7 Mhz, but over 4Mhz is possible with my configuration. A better RF NPN might keep things stable for more Mhz yet, I don't know. There will be a limiting border where the 555 becomes unstable no matter what.

This example is using a 555driver circuit as in the pic, with an inductor/capacitance resonation tank as the driving circuit, testing output through an air core inductor. This is not through a completed collector coil circuit, but indicative of one control coil if you applied it towards such.

555 circuit output + aircore coil and capacitor in parallel = driver circuit

Driver ---> Air core coil in series with driver circuit (unloaded) = test results (pics)

If you want me to draw a simple schematic, I can.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2008, 10:11:43 PM »
This example is using a 555driver circuit as in the pic, with an inductor/capacitance resonation tank as the driving circuit, testing output through an air core inductor. This is not through a completed collector coil circuit, but indicative of one control coil if you applied it towards such.

Thanks. So, basically pic.2 shows an inductive feedback of a single pulse?

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« Reply #131 on: April 16, 2008, 10:25:33 PM »
I just thought of something, I thought I might share with all.

Do you want one HELL of a forward biased enhancing diode? As high a V/A as you care to build? Got your attention yet? :D

Take a permanent magnet (the stronger the more effective IE rare earth), a cylinder oriented to the faces, and wind a coil around it. Epoxy the coil in place so that it cannot move. That's it, all there is to it.

Now, why it works.

Apply a dc current to it, the current creates an oriented field in the coil (right hand rule). If this field is opposite the permanent magnets field, the perm magnet neutralizes the field. You would have to have more gauss than the magnet to neutralize it's field. Therefore, current will only flow easily ONE WAY in the circuit. (By definition a diode.)

Now, when current flows the other direction, the permanent magnets field will ENHANCE the field of the coil. (Both magnet and coil will "see" the overall field as its own)........

Something to make you go Hmmmmm....

Practicality:

For small signal use, maybe not much.

Question: how much is the cost of a 600V 30A diode, or worse a 6000V 30A diode?

Question: How much is a small stack of samarium cobalt magnets, a piece of wire, and some epoxy? (Especially if a diode like you desire is not commercially available except through custom order?)

Question: What is you desire the enhancement effects?

I am going to build one today, and do some playing.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #132 on: April 16, 2008, 10:32:00 PM »
I am going to build one today, and do some playing.
Hmm. Will it work at all? I think even if magnetic field is nullified it does not mean current will get nullified as well...

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« Reply #133 on: April 16, 2008, 10:45:21 PM »
@aleks

Any coil you wind will have its own natural resonant value. It will actually have more than one depending upon capacitance of the coil, the inductance of the coil, the length of the wire used to wind the coil, and the physical shape of the coil. Each of these contributes in it's own way. Every coil is biased towards it's own natural resonant frequencies (harmonics). It reacts to them with more power, and in fact a coil fights non-resonant frequencies, damping them out.

What you see in the phase example is what happens CLOSE to resonance. ONE Square Wave signal is applied, but the coil reacts and creates another. These two signals overlap, are enhancing, and become indistinguishable AT resonance.  The first sine picture is the same coil, the same applied signal, but ALL of the signals are in phase, which is why the AC component CREATED BY THE COIL ITSELF, is of much greater strength than the applied signal.

Paul Andrulis

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« Reply #134 on: April 16, 2008, 10:48:46 PM »
The first sine picture is the same coil, the same applied signal, but ALL of the signals are in phase, which is why the AC component CREATED BY THE COIL ITSELF, is of much greater strength than the applied signal.
No problem, I understand. It is called filtering. DC pulses carry base frequency information. It is what we see on the scope. Still, this does not look like "sine wave segments".