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Author Topic: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)  (Read 338518 times)

poynt99

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #570 on: July 24, 2008, 04:22:04 AM »
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3354.0;attach=23805)

The kick is at the top of the bell curve edge hidden in the ringing. The next pulse in amplifies it. Unfortunately the DC part also causes its demise. The ringing in the DC part is the 2 forces fighting for control. The DC wins as shown by the stability of the voltage.

--giantkiller.

hey guys,

this from my super-ultra-infra-sonic-quadrature-heterodyning-phase-shifting-pre-emphasized-QAM-based-quantum-kick generator!

see the kick? it's right there! can't see it too well amongst all that noise, but it's there, i assure you ;)

 :D LOL :D LOL :D LOL

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #571 on: July 24, 2008, 04:49:09 AM »
hey guys,

this from my super-ultra-infra-sonic-quadrature-heterodyning-phase-shifting-pre-emphasized-QAM-based-quantum-kick generator!

see the kick? it's right there! can't see it too well amongst all that noise, but it's there, i assure you ;)

 :D LOL :D LOL :D LOL

Hey Troll,

Trying to mock a builder here is not cool.  (Bad Troll!!)

NOW, if you actually EVER built anything..... OH, never mind, that will never happen.  Time to crawl under your bridge, BEND OVER, and wait for the KICK!!!  IT will be there, i assure you ;)

:D LOL :D LOL :D LOL

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #572 on: July 24, 2008, 04:49:43 AM »
Double post, should have left it!  LOL

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #573 on: July 24, 2008, 05:23:19 AM »
With reference to the link EM posted to the SM video above

I set my function generator to 6000Hz. / 24Vpp output.

My multimeter read the following:
    Sin Wave:        0.106VDC
    Square Wave: 0.265VDC

Obviously SM has a strong DC component with the 6KHz ripple or a different wave form (yes, I know this has been discussed before)


@GK

What is the DC output of your Bell Curve Waveform (measured with a DVM),  the frequency of your pulses and duty cycle??



@poynt99

I would like to see your model and (raw) netfile.



@Bruce

A year ago or so, in your thread, I think you posted a link to someone doing work with the earth's magnetic field. I belive the guy was in Sweden or somewhere in that area. If I recall correctly he was visiting different geological locations, maybe his work took him there, anyway while he was there he was taking measurements and validating his work.

I've searched the thead but cannot find it. Maybe I'm not giving you enough specific info but that all I can recall.

If you have any idea who I'm referring to please post the link if you can find it.


Thanks
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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #574 on: July 24, 2008, 05:25:27 AM »
Hey Troll,

Trying to mock a builder here is not cool.  (Bad Troll!!)

NOW, if you actually EVER built anything..... OH, never mind, that will never happen.  Time to crawl under your bridge, BEND OVER, and wait for the KICK!!!  IT will be there, i assure you ;)

:D LOL :D LOL :D LOL

Bruce,

These copper-tops are not worth the effort - probably MIB bot's anyway.   You can also tell the bot's because no matter what you say or show - it isn't enough and they ask for more.  Paul's "kicks" are just differentiated pulses - which if he knew how to apply them would be a good thing but he doesn't seem to know - otherwise they are just pulses and of no interest.


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #575 on: July 24, 2008, 05:33:49 AM »
no one has come forward and explained Paul's experiment as of today.

SM told us the kicks are overunity and that they are current kicks. the voltage kicks we see in Paul's scope shots are not overunity. they are a basic electrical reaction due to Lenz's law.

all things being ideal, the voltage kicks seen in Paul's post would have been closer to the 20V level, not 12V.

they are higher than the applied voltage--why?

because of Lenz's law, the inductor will produce a counter emf, and it is this cemf that we see as the 12V spikes.

the two concentric pancake coils is more complicated than it needs to be. wind a simple single air core inductor (solenoid) to give you about the same inductance as your pancake coil (about 20uH) and pulse it the same way. you'll get almost the same scope shot, with no ringing or resonance. the spikes will be there, both negative and positive as before.

every piece of wire no matter how long has some inductance, and every device that will drive this piece of wire has a finite output impedance (50 Ohm typical for function generators, and the crirical missing element in duff's model), so in theory it should be possible to produce these voltage kicks on demand. in fact in practice, it should be impossible to get rid of them.

so at the end of the day, what do we have? we have some transient cemf produced that exceeds the applied input voltage level, but current does not increase nor does the power, leaving us with exactly what we put in, minus some natural losses.

but we still don't have the kicks SM talked about, because the above kicks are not increases in current, and they aren't overunity.

so until now the peanut gallery has been mostly quiet about this. forgive me for breaking my promise of keeping quiet ;)

Paul showed differentiated pulses - whoop-de-doo.

Had anyone here done an ounce of study they would know that the primary and secondary of a Tesla Transformer (the two pancake coils) is a differentiator.  The transformation ratio is not related to turns but to frequency - shall we say "air core" or "electrostatic"?  You can get a good square wave with the right coupling coefficient...hint hint

Got off thine ass and use these pulses to drive a separate coil by impulse excitation and you might save your ass after all - or not...  ;D

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #576 on: July 24, 2008, 05:40:15 AM »

There seems to be some odd concepts. Volatge is no more separate from the electrons it represents, as one aspect of their movement, than is amperage.


I guess you never heard of "virtual charges".

By the way, the Earth's magnetic field has "three" components - try and apply that to your bar magnet.  Go ahead - look it up.


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #577 on: July 24, 2008, 06:29:55 AM »
Simply put, you grumpy do not desire to communicate, you wish to declare without any debate allowed.

Yet, we are still communicating...

You misquote Tesla, then when shown HIS EXACT WORDS deny it as true.

When did I ever misquote anyone, Tesla or otherwise?  I am very precise, even when cryptic.  I posted Tesla's exact statement and it's source - and hence - resonance is NOT required.


Take for instance innovations arrogant statements made in the last couple of posts. I intend to check the quoted source EVEN IF I HAVE ALREADY READ IT, again, to see if what he says is true.

Everyone laughs at I_H, but he is an information magnet and knows more about free energy than most on this forum - fools.  Instead of picking his brain, people just laugh like silly little girls. 

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #578 on: July 24, 2008, 06:39:33 AM »
Tesla designed what was commonly called a "death ray", which has a common definition today..... a particle accelerator.

How can you have a "particle accelerator" without particles?   The charged region of space around the elevated terminal of a Tesla Magnifier is not particulate in nature and grows (expands) as a log periodic spiral - the Golden Ratio - non-verbatum quote from Eric Dollard and confirmed by Builders who shall remain nameless. 

Once again you make assumptions.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #579 on: July 24, 2008, 06:47:33 AM »
The magnetism of the earth is not comparable to gravity, which cant be seen as eminating perpendicularly from the surface of the earth.

Wrong.  One of the three components of the Earth's magnetic field is "vertical".

Again, you make assumptions.

Magnetism is a 2D field - magnetism is 3D.  Might want to write this down.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #580 on: July 24, 2008, 07:03:29 AM »
you're right grumper, it's differentiation. probably nothing more.

works with capacitors too. theoretical output peaks are 2xVi (as i already mentioned).

integrate the differentiated wave form and you're back to the original.

see, trolls aren't all that bad Bruce, they can learn too  :P

so Paul, still and once again, there's nothing too special about the output from this setup.

oh and grumpy, you nailed it right on man, Paul and i are MIBs, or MIB wannabe's, (haven't decided yet). thanks for busting us man, that's quite a load of guilt off our sholders. now we can continue free, like the wind....  ;D

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #581 on: July 24, 2008, 07:39:58 AM »
@ Duff,

you're probably the only one interested in this, so i'm just posting the netlist. it's the simple single inductor version, which won't give the exact results as Paul's but close enough. you'll see the differentiation effect and voltage peak anyway:

Vgen 1 0 Pulse -10 10 0 10n 10n 6.25u 12.5u
Rgen 1 2 50
L1 2 3 20uH
R1 3 0 1.2


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #582 on: July 24, 2008, 08:09:52 AM »
Hey Troll,

Trying to mock a builder here is not cool.  (Bad Troll!!)

NOW, if you actually EVER built anything..... OH, never mind, that will never happen.  Time to crawl under your bridge, BEND OVER, and wait for the KICK!!!  IT will be there, i assure you ;)

:D LOL :D LOL :D LOL

whatever bruce, chirp chirp chirp away...

i'm still waiting for my kick  :P

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« Reply #583 on: July 24, 2008, 09:50:04 AM »
Hmmmmm. Interesting.

Two people trying to through out bull**** as truth. Both seemingly opposing, but serving the same end. Same corporation? I don't need to name any names. It should be clear to any reader.

To one of them, nice switch. Nailed to the proverbial wall with the back-emf concept, switched to "differentiated pulses" at the drop of a hat. I like that term.... sounds impressive, yet completely meaningless. Just like "transformer action".

To the other: No, you wouldn't know Tesla if he bit you in the keaster, apparently. The "Death Ray" used the magnifying transmitter for power only, to drive a linear particle accelerator. (Yes, particle...) Oh, I forgot, you ignore what Tesla himself said. You seem to know more than him.

I don't think you are MIB gentlemen, I think you are worse than MIB. I think you are posers. Attention hounds. Intellectually effete.

If you were MIB you would be fired for being so lousy and transparent at the job. I hear quite a bit of talk, mostly BS, so why don't each of you do something more enlightening and satisfying, like build something.

Paul Andrulis




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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #584 on: July 24, 2008, 10:25:30 AM »
Paul,

What do you think about my idea that TPU coils are parallel connected pancake coils or maybe even each of them is bifilar ? The idea is a coil which is segmented , each segment is acting as separate coil yet adding power to the others in chain. (This would be the same what Stanley Meyer did, however Meyer connected them serially to step up voltage and limit current)

There is also one interesting idea - positive feedback. AFAIK flat disc rotating in magnetic field is summing his magnetic field with external magnetic field.Pancake coil is flat and current therein is rotating, maybe there is no difference between rotating disc and rotating current inside.Isn't that only a point of view ? I bet that two ideas are involved because IMHO they fit exactly SM words.