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Author Topic: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)  (Read 338445 times)

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #525 on: July 21, 2008, 06:16:35 AM »
Look like you're differentiating.

kick is an oscillation - something you would not expect to see.   A flutter or flurry of activity.

You need more voltage, by the way.  Tesla would start with 10k to 20k - that's gettin' 'r dun...couple few hundred at least.

Kinda like Bob Boyce put it - you push nature and she pushes back - HARD!

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« Reply #526 on: July 21, 2008, 06:53:29 AM »
yep she does push......

you all let me know when i can show you spinn or orbit or traped electricty

it has a constant ossolation form round 300vac - 0  vac and lasts for a verry long time from a pluse or 2  ;)

does it rotate? when traped in a coil?   


what do you think ...

lol

did i put magnets on a string did they follow or repell  the osc voltage around the ring   lol

of course they did.....

so why does this work ? how long does this effect last ??

well i had electricty traped b4 in all copper coil collector and control coil for over 2 day i suspect it will last forever this way .....

emery and ed same same .....

i showed gk last year when i figuered this out ....  this infact is teslas secreat  ;) ;)

the verry cool part was this after my cap drained right out it was instantlly refilled  ;D  also ....   after some time i could not read it on my cheep meter i thought it had quit operation but in fact it had NOT!!!!   just cuz i could not read it did not mean it stoped

also i HAVE SCOPED THIS WAVE  i will garentee all of you it is a wave that has never been posted public as of yet ....

it is a verry mysterous wave ... a busy 1 .... ;D

i called it orbit i also at the same time when i scoped it i discovered how to speed it up and slow it down  ;D

how do i know i could control it ??   i watched it on my scope ...  oh  i placed a tuned coil above the rotating one  a tuned coil meaning a secondary tuned by length to 7.5 hz 131.2 ' there bouts 22 ga solid 4 " collector  no controls wound on it   did it pull form the source ??

of cource it did i had a ac voltage of 7.5 v  ;D

nope no vids schems or nuttin  reverse engineer this  :D ;D  :P

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what the hell is in my sig anyways??  whos words are those....  where did i find em and who the hell edited my sig .... lol .... hummm there is somthing missing in my sig ...  i know damn well i typed it word 4 word  ;D  the last sentence or 2 are missing why and what did they talk about ....   what pattend was it??

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #527 on: July 21, 2008, 06:59:37 AM »
@Grumpy

You know an interesting effect? There was a time, when they were building what are now called "antique engines", or popularly "hit - and - miss". Interesting things with big flywheels. They had batteries, but at the time, they had a very simple means of firing the spark to ignite the gasoline. It was called a "kick" coil.

What was a "kick" coil? A simple solid iron core solenoid, with a single winding of many, many turns.

By itself, nothing but a waste of battery juice, a big magnet.

What was amazing is that when points were placed so as to make and break the connection, without a capacitor to drain the excess voltage off, this coil could attain 5000v or more upon breaking of the points, so a timing system was devised which would make the contact before the spark was needed, fully energize the coil, then the massive spike at break which would fire the plug.... We also see this at the strike of an arc in an arc welder.

Thousands of volts from a low voltage source has always been a current phenomena from a lower voltage source.

Now, "Kick" coils did not have to be an iron core solenoid. They could also be an air core solenoid, even at higher voltages.........

Electrons have both mass and inertia. Try to stop them or start them suddenly, and they react.

Why don't they still use them? Kick coils (at least the iron cored ones) get HOT after enough use.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #528 on: July 21, 2008, 07:12:40 AM »
in my 4 mot m tpu my mots work as kick coils .... 4 of em controlled many ways first a rotary switch 2nd reed switches and a magnetic wheel

they charge up caps i must short the cap on the out put to be of any use ...it should be fired then shorted right away this is for a lower voltage application other wise stick to over 1000v and it will self fire when the cap is full through a spark gap .... to the out put ....

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« Reply #529 on: July 21, 2008, 08:07:30 AM »
Mainly, I am trying to point out a simple fact to everyone. Terms which were common then, are not common now. Definitions which were applied then, are not necessarily the same now.

When asked to define his consideration of what was "high frequency" by his lawyer, Teslas reply was in the low/mid Khz range. Even 20 years later, this definition was outmoded, and is now ridiculous. Heck, our current band range in common use today is already outmoded in practice! (How is VHF, which is in the mid/high megahertz range, considered "Very High Frequency", when 2- 5 GIGA<--hertz is now in common use?)

Tesla designed what was commonly called a "death ray", which has a common definition today..... a particle accelerator. To say that what either Tesla OR SM was trying to say is "....", you HAVE to understand BOTH the lingo they were using, and try to understand what they were thinking. WHY they did this or that, to accomplish this or that goal.

Quit trying to place your or someone else's PERSONAL interpretation upon what they were saying, so that you can actually understand what they were saying!!!!!!!!!!!!! Accept that they were speaking the truth as they understood it, using the language they were accustomed to! Simple!

If I didn't know better, which I have to wonder sometimes if I do, I would say too much has changed into some form of a religion, rather than a science.

EVEN IF something new is discovered, which is entirely possible, then nothing "weird" has been discovered, but a new principle, or a new energy source, or a new "something". There is nothing "magical" or "mystical" about any of this. "NEW" things get examined, arranged, collated, and then filed in their proper place IN THE BOX! ;D 

Keep the box in sight gentlemen! :D

( For the last statement, I HAD to say this whole post.... ;D Sorry, my weird sense of humor. )

Paul Andrulis



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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #530 on: July 21, 2008, 08:40:58 AM »
@Buzz

I want to let you know something. I was having problems with uploading and modifying my area of your site. I couldn't delete files, could barely SOMETIMES create directories, etc, etc, etc,.  I am limited to small downloads (cruddy download speed), and free software (cruddy finances, which yields products of generally cruddy performance). I figured the problems were probably the software I was using, and I was right.

That is why I haven't e-mailed you about it. Cruddy software = my problem.

However, I found a small open source prog. which works like a FTP dream with your site called FileZilla. GREAT FREE FTP program which works well with even a dial-up connection, and worse, pretty good quality as well. I thought I would let both you and everyone else know in case any were having the same problems I was trying to upload files with free ftp progs.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #531 on: July 21, 2008, 10:11:34 AM »
The problem is that most of today's electrical engineers tend to oversimplify things. When someone ask why something is going on in the circuit , they are citing some law or rule without explanation. There is always an "explanation".

Do you see something interesting about those kicks ? They are symmetrical , positive and negative kicks. I you find a way to create only positive or only negative kicks it will be usable.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #532 on: July 21, 2008, 03:32:53 PM »
The problem is that most of today's electrical engineers tend to oversimplify things. When someone ask why something is going on in the circuit , they are citing some law or rule without explanation. There is always an "explanation".

Do you see something interesting about those kicks ? They are symmetrical , positive and negative kicks. I you find a way to create only positive or only negative kicks it will be usable.

LOL, in my experience, i find it quite the opposite. engineers are always over-complicating their designs. so i hope you weren't referring to me  :D by the same token forest, many cite claims without explanation or proof. it is often "it just is, i don't need to prove it to you, just take my word for it, my TPU is floating above my bench"  ;D LOL.

@ all,

it's strange, imo there should be much more interest and discussion on this experiment that Paul kindly took the time to perform for us. no one has any comments about it? i guess this is already "old hat" to most here. they've already got copious amounts of kicks frying loads on their benches, so why would they comment right? or maybe no one wants to say anything contrary to what Paul is saying, which is also a shame. c'mon people, if you agree say it, if not say it too, and why. open discussion is what these forums are supposed to be about.

thanks Paul for the test. now let's see if anyone can or will describe what's happening there. get off your rear-ends guys, this is important.

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« Reply #533 on: July 21, 2008, 03:45:01 PM »
Paul,

Talking to you is a waste of time.  No matter what anyone says, you know more than they do.

There probably is a way to get the "real deal" with the old kicker coils, if it is kept away from the coil being excited, and the collector.  Then it is just a HV souce that is commutated - just like Dollard's "Steinmetz" coil.

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@Grumpy

You know an interesting effect? There was a time, when they were building what are now called "antique engines", or popularly "hit - and - miss". Interesting things with big flywheels. They had batteries, but at the time, they had a very simple means of firing the spark to ignite the gasoline. It was called a "kick" coil.

What was a "kick" coil? A simple solid iron core solenoid, with a single winding of many, many turns.

By itself, nothing but a waste of battery juice, a big magnet.

What was amazing is that when points were placed so as to make and break the connection, without a capacitor to drain the excess voltage off, this coil could attain 5000v or more upon breaking of the points, so a timing system was devised which would make the contact before the spark was needed, fully energize the coil, then the massive spike at break which would fire the plug.... We also see this at the strike of an arc in an arc welder.

Thousands of volts from a low voltage source has always been a current phenomena from a lower voltage source.

Now, "Kick" coils did not have to be an iron core solenoid. They could also be an air core solenoid, even at higher voltages.........

Electrons have both mass and inertia. Try to stop them or start them suddenly, and they react.

Why don't they still use them? Kick coils (at least the iron cored ones) get HOT after enough use.

Paul Andrulis

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #534 on: July 21, 2008, 04:03:55 PM »
i cant help but laugh at all of you  :P


i was just gonna explain teslas somthing else but screw it!!   you  wont get it anyways lol

i know im right  ;D 8)

why ??

cuz my shit works....

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study teslas utilization of radient engery apparattus      ....

you all know how and why that works??  same damn thing ......

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« Reply #535 on: July 21, 2008, 05:49:31 PM »
here is the pattend i speek of   look at the digrams ... 

http://keelynet.com/tesla/00685958.pdf

i see a transmitter ....   and a reciver ....

or if you perfer a kick and a kickback.....

what bothers me is this lil thing in many of his pattents called G  altho it is not labeled G in this pattend it  is there ..... it is your tranmistter

transmitt in ordor to recieve   ....

you all herd that b4?  lol

ist

well if i keep going  hummmm  what would be next ??  TESLAS FUELLESS GENERATOR :o :o 8)

now how does it work??

lol  think i cant explain it try me ....

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« Reply #536 on: July 21, 2008, 07:13:01 PM »
@Grumpy

Amazingly enough, nowhere in the definition of the word communication is the phrase "automatic agreement" even implied. Anyone disagreeing with your supposed superior knowledge gets the phrase "take a little blue pill".......

What is that supposed to be....... communication?

Simply put, you grumpy do not desire to communicate, you wish to declare without any debate allowed.

Debate allows another to refute your position. Refutation though is a two way street. Someone refutes your position, you examine the evidence for truth, and IF TRUE logically modify your understanding to fit. Otherwise you refute. Back and forth it can go between two whom are actually open-minded until either agreement, or polite disagreement between the two is reached.

I have no problems changing my viewpoint, and have done so many, many times in the past, even when the refutation was stated badly, or worse, based upon general BS but enough truth remained in principle to require a modification. I have noticed points of interest even from spider and aleks, both of which I tend to disagree viewpoint wise. A time or two even you.

You however seem to follow an old quote I heard once "If you cannot blind them with brilliance, baffle them with BS". You misquote Tesla, then when shown HIS EXACT WORDS deny it as true. You have taken the position, at least by all appearances, as the unteachable teacher. THERE CAN BE NO REAL COMMUNICATION with such. You make claims, but I have never seen evidence from you, of anything harder than sheer speculation. When pressed for evidence you state either MIB or agreements..................

Take for instance innovations arrogant statements made in the last couple of posts. I intend to check the quoted source EVEN IF I HAVE ALREADY READ IT, again, to see if what he says is true.

So, who is it that does not want to understand? Who is it that is a waste of time to communicate with?

You have managed to place yourself by your attitudes and actions into the position of "poser". That is my truthful observance of your position right now, based upon what I have seen.

It would not hurt my feelings much if you in particular did desire to quit communicating with me. By all means, please do so.

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« Reply #537 on: July 21, 2008, 08:18:22 PM »
sorry i dont mean to be arrogant or rude just tired of the laque of progress in the right dirrection

tesla was the master and im sure he still is ....

all his work is pattended and easly accessable just not well comprehended ....

it sadins me that more of you donot see the light it is super bright ..... 8)

you know

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #538 on: July 21, 2008, 09:03:37 PM »
@innovation

I think I have bought a small clue. ;D 8)

I am thoroughly familiar with the patent. It is the one I quoted in reference Tesla's own definition of his understanding of radiant energy. In this patent, he describes what he thinks it is, and where it comes from, AND how to harness it.

You could well be right in that the key is present here. Testing and time will tell. I know for a fact I am personally still missing a few clues as to the conceptual operation of the TPU. Two separate TPU's I have wound put out what you have described as the "high voltage sines". I have also noticed that they tend to run for a small time after the power is shut off. ( Not always, but sometimes for a duration several seconds. I attributed this to current inertia in a continuous loop system. I am not saying I am right, just that is what I perceived. )

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #539 on: July 21, 2008, 09:12:09 PM »
here is the pattend i speek of   look at the digrams ... 

http://keelynet.com/tesla/00685958.pdf

i see a transmitter ....   and a reciver ....

or if you perfer a kick and a kickback.....

what bothers me is this lil thing in many of his pattents called G  altho it is not labeled G in this pattend it  is there ..... it is your tranmistter

transmitt in ordor to recieve   ....

you all herd that b4?  lol

ist

well if i keep going  hummmm  what would be next ??  TESLAS FUELLESS GENERATOR :o :o 8)

now how does it work??

lol  think i cant explain it try me ....


I don't understand what you are saying maybe my English is too limited, then forgive me. You mentioned little thing named G in many patents. Could you elaborate and especially explain  which part of this radiant receiver you have talked about ?

I'm very interested, because I don't see transmitter here except obvious ones like Roentgen tube for example...