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Offline pauldude000

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2008, 12:45:53 AM »
@all

Here is some simple physics. Theoretical physics used to be a hobby of mine, I enjoyed it as much as I do Soduku. In reality, it was a mental game almost exactly like soduku, in that you are given a few clues which have to line up in a particular manner to solve the puzzle, and that something out of place affects the whole puzzle. Bluntly stated: PHYSICS IS NOT A SOLVED PUZZLE AND PIECES ARE OUT OF PLACE.

For instance, the arguments here over energy..... The term is much used an abused, and by itself has a nebulous meaning. It is used to refer to a multitude of forces, put simply energies. Though related, these energies are NOT the same energy and therefore cannot be treated as the same.

Therefore, statements made like "You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put in" are generic and relatively meaningless. Put extremely bluntly, at the time that law of thermodynamics was conceived, mechanical energy was king (I include thermal with this statement as thermal energy IS mechanical energy.).

Are you extremely certain that a law designed for, and true in respect of mechanical energy even applies or can be truthfully applied to unrelated forms of energy?

Simple question, with an even simpler answer. Much of physics has this type of illogic attached, that is why it is a former hobby of mine. A Soduku puzzle which is flawed having no solution is worthless to me.

Paul

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2008, 12:56:29 AM »
@ all ...

Yes .. finally some with like minds ...

totally sine waves..

As Tesla mentioned non hertazin waves ... I take his meaning to be non square waves.... (of course I could be misinterpetting him but ...) was the better energy source.

In nature I have not seen very many Square of anything ... except for some crystals ie .. right angles.  Most of everything in nature from birds, to cells, sun rays and the like travels in a sine wave like way ... even on the atomic level travel is in a wave.  Nature always tries to find a balance before it needs to destruct.

Collision of DC waves are very distructive but when you collide sine waves you get a magnification of power before the destruction.  By collecting the energy around us to a collective point to say over-balanced the power and then let nature take it course ... and then collect that energy.  Not sure if that makes sense to anyone.

This is the direction that my power research has taken me.  I first started to notice effects of this nature with bob boyce torid power design but this used dc.  Hydrogen still is the focus for me .. but I have now been on a quest for a better power source.

I hope I will be able to post some results sooner then later.

Great job folks ... keep up the idea's no matter how crazy it may seem ... the unconcieus mind does not play tricks but stays true and the small voice is the one to listen to ... at least it has worked for me.



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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2008, 12:57:31 AM »
I am somewhat in shock. Just a mere matter of several hours, and this thread has had over 600 reads! Wow. I never thought so many would even be interested. Kewl. I hope everyone is gaining something from it.

@newbies to the thread

Before the thread goes way off-topic, please read the initial post before posting so that all are on the same page. I have seen this happen in so many other threads, and must apologize as I have been guilty to some extent of this myself.

Paul

 

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2008, 01:06:47 AM »
HI   

I READ THIS   and   is said this  whit pulse  we dont have rotation elktromotiv force 
the pulse   frekfency  is <<not real frekfency  <like you have   dc v  and you  <<make on  and off >..THAT IS NOT FREKFENCY   
YES otto   ONLY SINUS   FREKFENCY  IS REAL FREKFENCY   
THE <<NIKOLA TESLA  >>HE FIND  LONG TIME AGO   HOW  TO  MAKE   ROTATION  ELKTROMAGNET FILD     WHIT SINUS  FREK   

BUT HOW  ...   LETS SAY  YU HAVE 50 HZ  IN SOME ELKTRO MOTOR   AND  PUSH  50 HZ INSAID THE MOTOR   THE ROTOR  WHILL NOT  START TO SPIN    BUT   <,NIKOLA TESLA  IS  FIND THE WAY  TO  MAKE SPIN THE ROTOR    WHIT   SINUS  50 HZ ELKTROMAGNET FILD 
HMMMMM
THIS  50 HZ IS LIKE YOU  PUT  V   IN THE RAID SAID OF THE COIL  AND   IN THE LEFT SAID OF THE COIL     AND THE PROCES   IS  50 TIMES  IN JUST ONE SECOND 
AND  WE  BE SAID NOW  THE  ROTOR   THERE  WHILL NOT SPIN IN THE  ONE WAY   <,THAT WHILL BE   VIBRATE   LEFT  AND RIGHIT SAID   
BUT  THE TESLA  IS FIND THE     PRINCIP  OF  PUT  PROPERLY  COILS  TOGETHER   IN THAT WAY  TO MAKE  SPIN  IN THE  ONE WAY
IMAGEN  THIS 50 HZ     ...''''   HAS  1000 RMP SPEED
IMAGEN   THIS  100 HZ      HAS   2000 RMP   AND ATHER    CONTINUES 



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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2008, 02:42:36 AM »
@all

This is somewhat frustrating, and working with the premise that a picture is worth a thousand words, so later tonight, when I have some actual free time, I will set up my 555 and show you all the sines produced by square waves.......... That is also why I state outright that the windings have to be bifiliar, otherwise you need to add a capacitor  in parallel with each control coil as the capacitance HAS to be present, to use DC.

Concerning Mosfets

It is already assumed that a mosfet power stage is used (I want to hit the controls with at least half an amp, not the piddly 200ma my 555 can source.). However, a mosfet, or other transistor, will reproduce the signal applied. If you hit it with square waves, it will produce square waves.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2008, 03:54:56 AM »
   Instead of winding three control windings covering different portions of the tpu od would it work out better to have three windings wound around the whole circumference that are next to each other.  Route the feed from the pass filter so that there is a directional shift of energy with each set of turns representing a pole.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2008, 07:39:06 AM »
If there are interactions with the earths magnetic fields...

Would not the orientation of the coil(s), pulse phases, angle seeing how the earth is slightly tilted..
be a roleplayer in this setup... I never payed close close attention but do they keep the coil facing
in a certain direction during operation? (Kinda why I started the observation collective effort thread)
Why does there appear to be a slight angle on one of the coils in Jack Durbans video release?

Curiousity for me but if the earth interacts with this mochine would it not be a mitagating factor?


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2008, 08:54:55 AM »
   Instead of winding three control windings covering different portions of the tpu od would it work out better to have three windings wound around the whole circumference that are next to each other.  Route the feed from the pass filter so that there is a directional shift of energy with each set of turns representing a pole.
Sounds pretty logical. In Tesla's patent we see 4 windings around circumference. I thought that you can actually use any number of them.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2008, 08:57:08 AM »
It is already assumed that a mosfet power stage is used (I want to hit the controls with at least half an amp, not the piddly 200ma my 555 can source.). However, a mosfet, or other transistor, will reproduce the signal applied. If you hit it with square waves, it will produce square waves.
Otto's MOSFETs exhibit avalanche performance, so on every square wave attack front they produce a saw-tooth instead, with a gross spike (~400V).

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2008, 11:15:30 AM »
Hello all,

@Aley

youre talking about "old times".

In that times I had nice kicks at the start of each square wave at OK, 400V.

As I hope that Im now a little bit cleverer, Im working with high voltage sine waves. I know that you all know the Tesla patent 381 970. I also was "familiar" with this patent. Then I made a hand drawing of the shown picture to really understand, made a few other drawings......now I wonder why I have to pay for my electricity.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2008, 11:29:14 AM »
Im working with high voltage sine waves.
How's progress going? Well, I do not believe you can achieve anything overunity with just sinewaves, or just square waves be them high voltage or low voltage without high spikes - if that wasn't the case almost every DC motor with a driver would exhibit overunity - if you are unaware, rotation speed of DC motors can be regulated by means of square waves with varying duty cycle. I believe abrupt spiking is a very important thing in this whole business - and I've shown the reason for this (Dirac delta function is a model of such spike, and when applied to acoustics it means much more).

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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2008, 11:40:22 AM »
Hello all,

@Aleks

I agree. Not with ONLY sines or squares!!

I really didnt want to post this but......hmmmmm a few days ago I had HV sines with kicks on top of the sines. From my power supply 12V/ miliamperes. I have to say that I used my profi made PS. I mixed the frequencies and in just a short moment I saw that my voltmeter on the PS showed me the maximal voltage and then I saw a lot of smoke from my power supply. Nothing touched, just mixed frequencies. I had a runaway but this time only a voltage runaway, to say so. My PS is burned. My MOSFETS and everything OK. At the runaway I didnt see that the current rised. Just the voltage. All fuses OK.

I know that the output signal from a TPU is sine waves + kicks sitting on them. Such signals I saw before my "success".

Why always in my little garage such "successes"??? Better I would make something else.

Otto


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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2008, 11:51:41 AM »
I know that you all know the Tesla patent 381 970. I also was "familiar" with this patent.
Well, you should have noted that Tesla uses brushes. During motor rotation they produce spikes (sparkles) - much like from your MOSFETs. These spikes are pulsing thinner coils that are arranged in two-phase manner. Collectors (thick coils) are also arranged in two-phase manner. Due to nature of this motor/brush system the spikes produced on the thinner coils are mostly RANDOM with a frequency bump that depends on the frequency of the motor.

So, one of the possible arrangements would be producing spikes by means of pulse density modulation with probability distribution leaning toward the required frequency (60 or 50 Hz). This means that the "driver" should not be a simple square wave generator or 3 of them working in logical AND manner, but a random probability-distributed (frequency-wise) 1bit noise amplified to 400V - well, if MOSFET delivers avalanche performance you won't need to amplify the control signal itself that much. Simply MOSFET will be discharging at random times in concord with that probability-distributed 1 bit noise. This will create a lot of RE potential wavelets that - when summed - will replicate the frequency embedded into the probability distribution.

On another thought, motor/brush system may exhibit some frequency bump, but it is minimal. However, random spiking is still possible. When you integrate the voltage over time, you won't see them, but it does not mean they are not present physically. If that's the case it means each control coil should be driven by noise generator - well, actually both IN and OUT of the control coil should be modulated by noise. It's just a possible variant of this TPU device. I wonder if anybody tried to run this TPU device with uncorrelated HV noise in each control coil. Well, this is of course crazy idea - I'm not sure it may even work.

Noise gate is a transistor whose gate is modulated by random signal so that voltage across the noise gate changes between 12V and 0V. Since there are 2 noise gates driving a coil, the voltage will go randomly from one side to the other. What this brings I do not know, but from simple calculus the RMS voltage across the coil will be 3 dB higher than across noise gates. Of course, I do not even know if the noise signal can be efficiently utilized to do work. (noise gate is not audio noise gate which gates noise, by noise gate I mean gate modulated by broadband noise signal)
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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2008, 12:10:40 PM »
Why always in my little garage such "successes"??? Better I would make something else.
Maybe try to completely decouple collector and control? Just imagine you've connected your control coil to wall outlet. It will burn together with your PS. I believe the same happens when you "tune" your circuitry. Decoupling means control circuitry should not share ground with collector, it should be ungrounded or the surplus energy will flow both paths, through the control circuitry as well. Maybe also try to use "antenna" approach I've mentioned meaning you should not connect collector with the control circuitry via wires. Note that Tesla's power loads on that patent are also not wire-connected with the pulsing coils - induction is in use.


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2008, 05:51:41 PM »
@Otto: I hate that you've lost so much equipment, but in a way that's actually a good thing - you can't burn out testers if you aren't experimenting. All the gear you've fried speaks volumes about how much time and thought you are putting into this! You are a huge inspiration to me.

I am really glad to see that folks here are considering the Tesla patent again. I'm pretty well convinced that this is what SM actually built, taking all of his clues together. Almost all of the rest of his story supports this conclusion, if you look at it objectively. Like tuning his "delay coil" - this is something that would have been needed only if he were using a single input source and was trying to split it evenly between two outputs (thus eliminating the commutator). Or his statement about "100 years before anyone found the frequency" - it had been right at a hundred years since Tesla's patent when SM built his units. There's plenty of other parallels if one cares to step back and think with an open mind. Too many parallels to ignore, IMHO.

The Tesla device used AC sine wave input (from the generator) timed and split using a commutator (as close as he could get to square waves). The benefit of square waves is the fast rise time, which "kicks" the flow around the core. The system would run with gain when "ringing", and the output would be AC sine with a possible DC component. When properly tuned, the opposing vortexes created by toroidal influences would also be present. Much of this is first-year EE stuff, applied in a unique and practical fashion. Think outside the box!

I did my first build similar to the Tesla patent with no core and got interesting but unremarkable results. My current build will be a much more faithful reproduction and should produce better results. As I promised before, I will post a video when I have something to show. Everyone here owes it to themselves to print off copies of patents 381,970 and 382,282 and study them for a few days. The two are almost identical, but the differences also tell something too.

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