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Author Topic: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)  (Read 205352 times)

Offline otto

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2008, 11:04:29 AM »
Hello all,

@AM

as always a very good question from you.

Marco showed us once how the output signal looks like: A SINE WAVE AND ON TOP OF THIS A KICK!!!

When I burned all my equipment, a long time ago, I had the same signal.

Now suppose we have a only sine wave feeded into our coils. What have we? NOTHING! We must have a voltage connected to our coils.

Now suppose the sine wave AND a DC, say +12VDC. What happens?

AS AN END RESULT WE HAVE SINE WAVES + KICKS ON TOP OF THIS SINE WAVES!!!!

I hope I was clear enough for ALL the builders here.

 I knew a long time that I have to use a combination of AC and DC in my coils but I thought I had to use square waves and 12VAC from the heating supply from the tubes. As I builded "something" like oscillators with tubes I saw  big sine waves on the plate of my tube. So why not to use this sine waves?

In this way I saw that I need sine waves from the oscillator and a +xxDCV from my power supply.

On the other hand:

if we have square waves from our oscillators, then we need an AC voltage for powering the coils.

 In this way would the TPU convert the squares into sines, as I saw it, and then you have the "success"!! As I see it, to work in this way is an aditional job for the TPU because the squares have to be converted. Of course, only at, or near the right frequency mix.

In short:

sine wave + DC

or

square wave + AC

Otto




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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2008, 11:37:04 AM »
Another useful idea about pulsing and RE sine-waves ("wavelets") is that they are MONOPOLE power-source themselves and should be treated as such. It is different from batteries or grid power. Actually, so much different that you won't read theory about them.

The oscillation visible after the pulse front (I'm referring to Fig.37 of TPU_ECD_V1_0 pdf file http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/otto_ronette_TPU_ECD-V1_0.pdf) are probably some inter-atomic oscillations. The same applies to "seed" oscillations. As revealed by Otto, they depend on the metal combination.

Well, I myself was assuming that RE potential field should be always "ideal" like on Fig.29, but reality is much more complex as usual: such RE (gravity-antigravity) potential field of course causes reactive (probably phonon-based) behavior within the matter itself (Fig.44). Nevertheless, extracting almost ideal sinewave output is possible (Fig.42).

I really think that Otto have 'nailed' the effect, especially considering his claims of achieving independent control over square wave and surplus sinewave output.

Seems like MOSFET is the key here - its amplification and spark-like behavior are what I thought should work well. Square waves are just a trigger to MOSFET. So, this should be even better than "saw-tooth" wave I was referring often to. The sync between sine-wave wavelets and MOSFET spikes is a mystery to me, but this should have some kind of explanation.

I think we need more replications. :)
« Last Edit: April 10, 2008, 03:24:31 PM by aleks »


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2008, 03:24:22 PM »
    In an induction motor winding one coil is wound cw and one ccw.  The coils are then placed in the stator 180 degrees apart.  The magnetic field is produced around the conductors in adjacent slots.  1/2 of which belong to opposite coils.
The coils are not solenoidal.  The magnetic circuit penetrates the air gap into the rotor iron back into the stator steel through the back iron and back to the air gap again.  On each current reversal the magnetic circuit reverses.  To get torque the magnetic flux needs to be shifted so a second winding is installed 90 degrees relative to the first.  Capacitors in series with this second winding or auxillary winding cause a leading current in this winding.  So the magnetic flux shifts from this secondary windings slot conductors towards the main winding conductors.
  I put this in this thread because the tpu is using pulsed solenoids so that the electrical displacement of the signals becomes more of a function of the circumference of the tpu.  I picture the tpu as having what one could call a peristalsic effect.  This is quite unique to any generating or transforming circuit  I know of.  The resulting magnetic field of the collector windings would seem to reinforce the electrical pulse flow around the control windings.  Now you have a magnetic field and electrical field in harmony within the control coil.  And the beat goes on.

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 03:57:58 PM »
Another thing everyone should seriously consider is that in signal synthesis terms it is IMPOSSIBLE to produce a single period of sine-wave having square wave or saw-tooth wave input. Only a sort of LINEAR PHASE filter may produce such waveform from a unit impulse. Linear-phase filters are hard to do in analog, they are more of a DSP concept. This 'period of sine-wave' is clearly NOT born in the circuitry or by means of this circuitry's elements, it simply can't (analog circuits are causal, they can't predict what kind of signal will be next, so they can't produce sine-wave rise front - well, sine-wave can be produced if you apply 4x order low-pass filtering, but here we see that in some case there are 2.5 sinewave cycles happen for each square wave pulse). I gave a possible answer of where it is born: this single period of sine-wave is a result of potential field that appears for a moment and which is created by DC acoustic wave (or scalar wave, or radiant energy) force field formation. I believe it is a monopole meaning it has an equal potential on both ends. In this respect it becomes an electrical energy source, and it should be connected to 0 or ground (or any other potential) whereas its ends can be connected together to form a closed loop.


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 04:30:17 PM »
Once again the RMF rears it's ugly head, like Nessie out of Loch Ness...


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Offline aleks

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2008, 04:36:33 PM »
Once again the RMF rears it's ugly head, like Nessie out of Loch Ness...
Nice joke! So you are comparing those lonely sine-waves to Nessie? ;)

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 04:46:54 PM »
Paul, dude, thanks a stack for those posts!  :D
This is a very nice analysis and description.
I must read it through some more, but nice brain straining you did there!
Thanks again :)

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2008, 07:59:15 PM »
@all

Back, headaches gone!

@aleks
Why not just take a 3-phase motor and replace its rotor with a coil? Guess it won't work, because this overunity FX is not about rotating mag field. Rotating mag field may cause ether inertia effects to manifest, but do you really think it produces electric potential higher than what you have on your coils?

Actually, yes. Yes I do. Consider this in your mind. The wavefront starts to rotate at with the 9v input. However, due to the extremely weak field strength, it's rotation speed is very slow. Considering the inherent capacitance combined with inductance due to tuned bifiliar control coils, each control coil is acting like an electric guitar reverb tank.

The signal is injected, travels to the end of the coil, to be reflected. Being that the coil is tuned to the frequency, said signal is still bouncing back and forth by the time of the next frequency pulse injects. With only one pulse, the wave dies out after several reflections. However, hitting this same circuit continuously should have an additive effect, as the new signals would harmonize perfectly with the old.

The field then rotates faster with each new pulse, as both the voltage, amperage, and therefore field strength/energy increases. Energy imparted into the collectors due to the rotating field is harmonic in frequencies with the control coils. Some of this energy is diverted into the control coils. This energy sums with the energy already present, and the total energy builds......

You can see where I am going. This energy would otherwise have been LOST to the system.

There is one major difference, as I envision either an air core transformer, or a ferrite core. Eddy loss, hysteresis, etc. are NOT desired in this design, though the iron core would increase field strength. Inherent field strength is not always the right approach.

@otto
I think the sines will come. I think that some will be generated due to induction out of the squares, due to some weird stuff I watched on my scope pulsing an air core coil. ( :D )

Paul

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2008, 08:23:22 PM »
@pauldude000
That was a very interesting explanation but now, do you get any output?

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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2008, 08:46:14 PM »
Why not just take a 3-phase motor and replace its rotor with a coil? Guess it won't work, because this overunity FX is not about rotating mag field. Rotating mag field may cause ether inertia effects to manifest, but do you really think it produces electric potential higher than what you have on your coils?

Actually, yes. Yes I do.
I think it won't work without MOSFET pulsing like Otto's TPU=ECD. While I disagree that this device "converts" these pulses, the sharp pulses MOSFET produces is what extracts energy. Any pure sinusoidal oscillations - be them acoustic or electric do not have DC component in them, they are not abrupt. Even thinking in resonance terms won't help.

When you turn the magnetic field "ON" it will collide with everything, but after that an equilibrium will be established and your magnetic field will basically become what could be called "ambient conditions".

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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2008, 09:11:51 PM »
@AM

You would. (Or at least should.) Consider a regular generator. How much energy of the output is required to drive the field? 1%, 5%? The rest of the energy to drive the unit is eaten up with friction, hysteresis, eddy loss, magnetic field fighting itself, etc. etc. etc., with the majority involved with spinning the huge mass of the rotor. A rotating field is frictionless, and of little apparent mass, and by nature cannot fight itself, or it will not rotate to begin with.

The only "friction" in the system is the magnetic field dragging over inductors. The only rotational mass/inertia is the apparent mass of the field itself, which is very, very small indeed. The field does not fight itself through attraction to itself. The limitations then are dependent upon maximum field strength and speed of rotation. Strength is limited by driving power, and rotation is limited by inductor drag and overall field energy.

Output therefore is determinable just like any other generation system, depending upon the winding style of the collectors.

Paul

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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2008, 09:42:42 PM »
Output therefore is determinable just like any other generation system, depending upon the winding style of the collectors.
There won't be any surplus energy. It's sad this is not obvious to you. The 'sine wave' output Otto got is actually a serie of "sine-wave" wavelets, there is no continuous sine wave available by itself, no filters no nothing. Not to note this combined "sinewave" provides a lot of energy at a given voltage, because this voltage is genuinely not from the circuitry: circuitry does not and cannot have that energy. The only thing I hope somebody tries is to use collector coil as an antenna - not as a part of circuitry.


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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2008, 10:58:36 PM »
@aleks

The only thing I hope somebody tries is to use collector coil as an antenna - not as a part of circuitry.

An antenna to receive what?
We must identify the source of energy first. If switching magnets can some how manipulate gravity or the Earths own magnetic
field the we may get something.

As far as the waves shape goes, the lazy person in me say's use square waves but look around you. We live in an
analogue world and sine waves have a lot of properties. You can get a lot more interesting harmonics than you would
with square waves. Look at the works of Keeley or Russel and you see what I mean.

I think text book Electronic or Electrical engineering view is not enough to solve this riddle.

AM



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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2008, 11:26:34 PM »
       I think paul's analogy to an alternator holds merit.  Say you can create a standing magnetic field.  Then the Earth's rotation causes the standing magnetic field to meet up with a coil.  The coil cuts across this field and out comes voltage.
Basically using the Earth to move your stator through a relatively stationary magnetic field.  This would create drag on Earth's spin momentum but she's pretty big and going pretty fast.  Is the frequency of conversion this easy?  It really isn't THat easy because the relevant  motion of a fixed point on Earth to the aether changes with lattitude and longitude and who knows the Earth may warp the aether instead of passing through it.  A point on the Earth is also traveling at 67,000 miles an hour in the orbital inertial field around the Sun.  This changes with not only longitude and lattitude but time of day.  I know Hutchinson use to have to wait around 6hours sometimes before his machines would work. ???
« Last Edit: April 11, 2008, 12:04:27 AM by sparks »


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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2008, 11:53:13 PM »
An antenna to receive what?
We must identify the source of energy first. If magnetism can some manipulate gravity or the Earths own magnetic
field the we may get something.
Well, antenna does not receive anything. It is staying in a higher potential field acting as a terminal on a battery. The energy is taken from everywhere it can be taken, even via matter disintegration.

I know it's hard to grasp this concept, but do you really know what IS energy that is running via your power outlet? Nobody really knows that. What is important is POTENTIAL. Well, the MOSFET pulsing creates the required potential - there is nothing you should worry about beside that. If you place two concentric antennas, both will have differing potentials relative to kicker coils. So, you may not even need ground if you use two antennas - it is much like Otto's mebius wires, but I think you do not need to connect them that way: simply assume that larger antenna is higher potential, smaller (inner) antenna is lower potential. The energy will find its way from higher to lower. The air gap between the antennas is a wrong way, so the energy will flow via wire you may use to connect two antennas. And then you can take some energy from the flow.

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