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Author Topic: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)  (Read 208441 times)

Offline pauldude000

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The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« on: April 10, 2008, 02:35:14 AM »
MAN OH MAN!

First, I thunk I have had a mental breakthrough, and so I shall share the concept. IT IS BASED UPON MR MARKS OWN WORDS... IE the clues were there all along.

1. Sine or Square waves?

Either pure sine waves, OR square wave DC will create a rotating magnetic field. Sine waves created using DC input voltage are rather difficult to construct, and require complex circuitry to attain. Square wave DC though..... nothing could be easier OR more probable. 

A. Simple circuitry (small boards low parts count).
B. Easily battery powered (1 9v works great.) 
C. Simple frequency selection/waveform modification.

2. How to create a rotating magnetic field.

Tesla invented this, which he demonstrated with his "Spinning Egg", and is now used in every three phase system motor/generator on the planet.

2 or more coils, and for our purposes three, spaced properly and fed polyphase signals of the proper degree of offset create a rotating magnetic field. Three coils, require a spacing of 120 degrees offset (points of an equilateral triangle -two 30-60-90 triangles back to back, superimposed on the coil.)

I was mislead by my own thinking. the frequencies ARE a function of the center frequency, However, I was thinking linearly, and not properly.   It is NOT 0deg 90deg and 180deg; but instead is 90Deg -  0 Deg  90 Deg +

The three coils are fed --->

first coil, 90 degrees - (90 degrees preceding original waveform)
second coil 0 degrees (original unmodified signal)
third coil 90 degrees + (90 degrees leading original waveform.)

I also held the preconceived notion at one time that the waveforms represented a SINGLE frequency, modified to get three phases of the same frequency. However, this is not necessarily true. I have built enough stereo speakers so I should have realized what was going on. Phase shifts can ALSO be gained by using three separate SPECIFIC frequencies, all denoted from the center frequency. For instance, Steve gave all the information in the world with "5khz with some hash". Using square wave DC, and the three frequency patterns mentioned, you would have that exact definition, also the output would be "5khz but with a DC component". Both would be EXACTLY true, but in themselves misleading. I never once remember him saying AC.....

Using 5khz, which applies to a (the) 17" TPU (smaller coil higher frequency), we find that the first coil is fed with half the center frequency, or 2500HZ, the second with 5000HZ, and surprisingly the third with 7500HZ.

Why not 10Khz? 10Khz is 180Deg out, NOT 90deg.

ALL THREE FREQUENCIES ARE FED INTO A SINGLE WIRE SIMULTANEOUSLY. You will learn why below.

3. How to feed the necessary frequencies to the appropriate coils, and do so using feedback from the output.

This hit me like a thunderbolt. Since the output is pulsed DC, at three frequencies, all that is required to "tap" the output is a blocking diode, with a resistor or thermistor to limit current to the control coils. This IS FED TO A THREE WAY CROSSOVER, which splits one signal into three, and routes said signals to the appropriate control coil inputs!!!!!!!!!!

I THOUGHT THAT STUPID "CONTROL" IN THE CENTER OF THE 17" TPU LOOKED FAMILIAR!

The oscillator circuits feed three mosfets, each connected by matched resistors to positive, fed through diodes into a single wire into the crossover. ALL TPU CIRCUIT GROUNDS ARE SHARED.
 
4. How to calculate said frequencies.

The frequencies are HARMONICALLY PHASE SHIFTED and therefore are algorithmic, and NOT linear, to achieve 90 degree separation. The formulas for each coil are based upon a center frequency A.

coil 1 = 1/2 A --> (as expected 1/2 harmonic of A. This is A-90 Degrees.)
coil 2 = A --> (as expected, since is center frequency.)
coil 3 = A + (1/2 A) --> (A + 90 Degrees, instead of 2A as expected.)

All control coils to be wound bifiliar for maximum efficiency and coil energy. (read Tesla's explanation)


I hope that this post floors you, as much as the realizations floored me.

I may try to do some accompanying graphics later.

Paul

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 03:50:28 AM »
Phase shifts can ALSO be gained by using three separate SPECIFIC frequencies, all denoted from the center frequency.

Hi Paul,

This is one of the best posts I have seen around here in a very long time!

Can you explain the quoted section a bit further?  I am an EE, not an audio person, and have never heard of that type of phase shifting before.  Are you talking about a phase shift occurring in the crossover itself?

Great find on the 3-way crossover!  Look, two inductors: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/audio/cross.html  They even look similar to parts of the "control" circuit.  "No mass circuitry"...

Maybe Steven just added a simple 9-volt powered blocking oscillator to the crossover to get the whole thing started...

Eldarion


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2008, 05:35:42 AM »
Maybe my useage of "phase shift" in reference to the square wave DC frequencies was not quite an accurate phrase to use here, as no actual shifting is done to the square wave center frequency. (that would yield 1 frequency with a leading and trailing overlap, as viewed on a scope.)

I am referring to two different frequencies coupled together with a center main frequency. To the magnetic field they would APPEAR to be phase shifted, due to the degree of offset, and the fact that we are talking square wave DC.   

This type of phasing is necessary when designing crossovers, to make sure that A. the frequencies overlap, and B. that the signals all reach the drivers in phase with each other, to prevent distortion due to signal time lapse.

I never thought it might have application elsewhere, so I never considered it before. However, Steven was big into audio...

Paul

 

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 05:40:25 AM »
      The 3pass filter has to be fed from 3 oscillators to initiate the phasing then after that the output which will have all the original freqs in it is fed to the filter?


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2008, 05:44:52 AM »
 ;D

@pauldude000

Excellent.

This is indeed very good meat for the table.

~D


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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2008, 05:57:45 AM »
Hello all,

@Paul

SINE WAVES!!

Otto

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2008, 07:12:54 AM »
@sparks

exactly...

@Loner

This is what I want!! (and need. Constructive criticism to clarify ideas and point out errors, by people who are able to do so logically and knowledgeably.)

1. Actually I think you might be right on this one...

2. After experimentation with my scope, and reading Mr. Mark's letters I do not think the kicks are something you produce, they are something you seek to make sure your coil is tuned properly with the frequency. An ordinary coil, connected to the output of my variable frequency square wave oscillator (fancy way of saying breadboarded 555 astable setup) demonstrated extreme kicks with certain frequencies. The control coil could be adjusted to the frequency using a scope in this manner, by removing length until kicks at said frequency are evident. In Tesla's concept, until the coil "rings".

3. I don't remember the 35 and 245Khz statements. Not stating that he didn't, just stating that I didn't remember that. I will investigate further no matter what. However, I wonder if this was obfuscation on his part, like the misleading magnets/reed switches. I state this as I see no means of deriving 5khz using a combination of 35 and 245, except as only one MINOR subharmonic. It is not a derived beat, as the beat frequency is (freq1 + freq2)/2. So therefore, how would a minor subharmonic be the major frequency of the output? (unless the coil itself is tuned for 5khz, in which case using a 5khz center would still make more sense.)

4. Read spark statement above, as he understood exactly what I was getting at. One signal, three separate frequencies. The crossover separates the frequencies, then feeds each frequency to it's proper coil.

5. This was a misunderstanding as we have already learned in 4. You are absolutely right in that a crossover will not add frequencies unless it is malfunctioning . :) You are also right in that I am talking three frequencies, not one. The three frequencies will APPEAR phase shifted to the coils, if my brain is functioning properly. This was addressed earlier and was a bad phrase useage on my part. I am sorry for the misunderstanding due to my poor choice of wording. That was entirely my fault.

Please, all, feel free to criticize or ask for clarification, either one!

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2008, 07:41:30 AM »
Hello all,

sorry to jump in like a...

@Paul

I think that I was the first that jumped out with USING practically the 245kHz frequency. This is my "magic" frequency. If I mix this frequency with a lower I can clearly see that something is going on. In my 3 stack I found 2 lower frequencies between 10 - 100kHz + the mentioned 245kHz is a veeery hmmm...."exciting" frequency mix.

Again: SINE WAVES.

Otto

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2008, 07:43:44 AM »
2. After experimentation with my scope, and reading Mr. Mark's letters I do not think the kicks are something you produce, they are something you seek to make sure your coil is tuned properly with the frequency. An ordinary coil, connected to the output of my variable frequency square wave oscillator (fancy way of saying breadboarded 555 astable setup) demonstrated extreme kicks with certain frequencies. The control coil could be adjusted to the frequency using a scope in this manner, by removing length until kicks at said frequency are evident. In Tesla's concept, until the coil "rings".

I can confirm this particular aspect--some weeks ago, when I was working with the MAGVID concept, I noted odd kick-like waveforms when I fed stepped sine waves to my air core coils.  At the time, I wrote it off to a peculiarity of my power amplifier circuit, but now I am not so sure.  The "kicks" did not occur near the zero-crossings, so I do not believe they are due to crossover distortion in my amplifier.  (Actually, I have yet to note any kind of distortion on this particular linear push-pull MOSFET amplifier design.)

If anyone want scope shots, I can set the apparatus back up and see if they are reproducible.

Regarding the rotational field, I have attached a crude drawing of how the rotating field might be set up with those harmonic frequencies.  What is interesting to me is that you have come very close to the signals generated in Bob Boyce's overunity hydroxy setup.

I can probably dust off my old control circuitry and generate those pulse trains without any problem--I even have some ideas for the coil setup.  The only big question remaining is: where is the power amplification taking place? 

When testing, will we see the power output occur on a normally wound toroidal secondary, or only on the 90-degree coils, I wonder...

Eldarion

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2008, 08:56:34 AM »
@Loner

You are more of an expert than I am. (I am not even a drip yet, let alone a former spurt. I just profess to have a clue. I might still need to buy one yet. :D )

Concerning the bifiliar idea.... I thought the same thing, until I carefully read the patent again.... Tesla stated that it may be wound in "the conventional manner" with the same effects......... :) The bifiliar coil actually GAINS capacitance being "wound in the conventional manner". The purpose of such a coil is to have enough capacitance to CANCEL self induction, therefore CANCELLING back EMF. IE an inductive coil in parallel with a capacitor (tank resonator).

@Eldarion

I am just a tinkerer, not an expert, and that is why I want expert opinions. Call me professional. (I profess, therefore I am. :D )

I can probably dust off my old control circuitry and generate those pulse trains without any problem--I even have some ideas for the coil setup.  The only big question remaining is: where is the power amplification taking place? 

When testing, will we see the power output occur on a normally wound toroidal secondary, or only on the 90-degree coils, I wonder...

The question, where is the power amplification coming from? I think I have an answer.

Question: In a normal alternator, what determines power?
Answer: speed of armature rotation and field coil voltage/amperage.

In other words, the strength of a given field cutting any given wire at X velocity. The faster the wires are cut, the more output. The stronger the field cutting the wires, the more output.

Two quick questions LOADED with potential. (Forgive the pun please :D )

1. With a rotational field not limited in rotational velocity by a spinning mass, what is the velocity at which it can rotate?

2. Being started with a miniscule 9 volt, the output is diddly. However, after the field speed increases, and the coil starts producing feedback driving the rotating field, the voltage rises in the control circuit commesurately with the speed of rotation, what is the maximum voltage and amperage of the control coils?

:) :D

Now you get where I think the amplification comes, since the only limiting factors I know would be 1. wire size 2. field drag on the wires and 3. component breakdown and subsequent failure.

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2008, 09:30:33 AM »
@Otto,
I am sure you used to be a "square wave" guy but now you have changed to a "sine wave" guy. What is the reason for changing?

AM

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2008, 09:47:10 AM »
@Loner

Mental laziness. That is why I mixed the signal together in my mind before injecting it into the crossover. However, I see possibles for both situations, now that you mentioned it. Your concept of signal reinforcement (one signal buttressing another if there is say oscillator variance) is a seeming benefit for the one feed-wire approach. Yet, if the oscillator signals were added AFTER the crossover, then they may prevent a signal degradation I envision as a possibility. (Possible signal blending into a misshapen single signal.)

You could try the OP-AMP Circuit, maybe even phase lock (PLL) the suckers... at this point I am guessing as much as you. What I do know is that the frequencies HAVE to be separable for their respective control coils. Tuned control coils will take care of the rest, by damping out non-harmonics.

A coil is tuned by wire length in respect to fractional frequency period. (From my tesla coil days.) Frequencies can more easily be tuned to the coil, but in this special case DO NOT DO IT! The frequencies are not accidental. If the applied frequencies are not close enough to what is needed... the magnetic field WILL NOT ROTATE. It is the phase angles of the respective frequencies which cause the field to rotate.

If you choose a three wire method, also note that the output wires from the respective amplifiers be EXACTLY the same length. (I don't know why, but my mental imagery is insisting.)

I just thought of it, but wouldn't it help to have the collector coil wound bifiliar as well?

Paul 



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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2008, 09:59:19 AM »
I am going to have to call it a night. It is almost 3:00 in the morning here, and I am developing a migraine. Mental sledgehammer is starting to dent rusty mental gears I think. Catch you all tomorrow, and have a good night all!

Paul

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Re: The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2008, 10:13:56 AM »
Why not just take a 3-phase motor and replace its rotor with a coil? Guess it won't work, because this overunity FX is not about rotating mag field. Rotating mag field may cause ether inertia effects to manifest, but do you really think it produces electric potential higher than what you have on your coils?


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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2008, 10:35:50 AM »
Where sine-waves are coming is from RE potential which changes over time in a kind of "wavelet" (should look like a simple gaussian curve like function, or a single period of sinewave). However the RE potential appears only when pulse is created, you CANNOT create RE potential with a sinewave. This potential wavelet is caused by a DC wave formation. This is confirmed by Otto's findings in his TPU-ECD profile.

So, the only realistical reasoning for phase-sync of pulses I see is the requirement to line-up the DC potential wavelets so that they create a continuous AC output. But actually, you do not need three coils. A correctly spaced sequence of these wavelets creates a perfect sinewave by itself. Meaning you may not need more than a single control coil pulsed at a correct frequency which is actually depends on the pulse RISE time, not on anything else.

To put it in different words, you may differentiate the pulse front and you'll see the waveform which is approximated by Dirac delta function which by itself carries a DC energy. From theory, the narrower the pulse the higher the energy this pulse carries and thus the more DC energy is radiated leading to a heavier "effect".
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