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Author Topic: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg  (Read 191573 times)

Offline Kator01

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2008, 12:21:20 AM »
Hi Steven,

thank you very much for your explanation. Helped me a lot.
Now back to the resistance-measuring effect.

What kind of transformer did you use ?

In case you have a good ring-transformer ( even if it is a small one 50 Watt ) you will observe first a quick movement of the scaler until it reaches the final ohm-value of the primary. Now if you disconnect the probes and change the position left to right and right to left ( very quickly ) you will observe in the first second almost no movement of the scaler and then very slowly creeping up to the same value as before. It is the time-factor indicating the counter-action of the inductive collapse of the first measurement-step.

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Kator


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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2008, 12:21:20 AM »

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2008, 02:12:39 AM »
HI!

Thank you nali2001.
I will have to wait to next year to try to buy that equipment.

Jesus


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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2008, 10:16:18 AM »
Hello, Kator...What did I mean with this one  ??? ??? ???...I just wanted to show You that Valery used a half way rectifier to drive his control coils. The diode is opened when the input voltage exceeds the resonant one. It's just like an acumulator charging. That's all. ;)
The light-bulbs...You are right when the measurement is correct there isn't a problem of its usage. The light-bulb works like a current generator approximatelly in a part of the U-I curve. It's easy to use it instead of power linear resistors. Yes, the current is big, nearly short circuit when the voltage is too low, but it can help me to see how the MEG reacts. So the linear resistor is not a real load. This device will work variebly loaded in real conditions I think.
Well, I wrote I used a scope to measure the sinusoidal voltage and current in my device and can attach a measurement diagram. But I thought it isn't necessary, because everyone have to know how to do it.
About Valery's measurement...Please ask Altium, who knows the inventor personally and can confirm the measuremen was correct.

Regards...
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2008, 11:00:10 AM »
All measurent ot Waleri Ivanow`s INKOMP was correct with COP~0.25!
I was there and was see with my eyes and I use good and accuracy analog oscilloscopes, analog multimeters, etc.
Problem is, that Waleri not shared all technical information of his device, only the theory. And he not want to SHARE or SALE any working models. He want to sale output electricity to energy companyes.

So, all my hopes now are in my friend and good inventor Getca.
Just be patient, please, all information with ALL TECHNICAL DETAILS, shem, results wil be shared when device is finalized.
We are not like some persons, who CANNOT shared information of working device for all of us.
Just look GPL license and Linux history. This is right way.




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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2008, 12:24:44 PM »
Hmm but if he is only using one side of the half wave sine then he can not be using a 'push pull'(not really pull) configuration. Since then you would need half part of the sine wave on each side of the device.

But damn, I'm confused I mean in my test I am having a very hard time to get efficient workings with anything that is constantly powered by one polarity like half wave. Even with a big cap on top.

Hmm

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2008, 12:24:44 PM »
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2008, 09:01:28 PM »
Hello all,

some time ago I got these transformers from our dump here in the little town i live  ( southern germany).

I have four of them. They are very rare because transformer for bigger Neon-Istallations use a different technique.

These big boys create two times 4000 Volt  at 40 mA !

The two coils at the bottom are the primary coils and just above it in the center ( see pic 2 in an extra post) you have a short piece of laminated core wich can be mechanically driven in and out  ( between the the main-core ) by the black knob thus modulating the flux by gradually shorting it . In this way the power-out is controlled. This is an old techique and is doing in a steady way what the proposed MEG is doing in a dynamic way.Some time ago I was buying a new one of the company of the last series they produced. But this new one is sealed completely in ceramic material. So when I got these four from the dump I was very happy and I was pondering the last two months what to do with it.

Yesterday I had another look at these black boys and then I saw the possibility to use these transformers for the MEG. I only have to cut off the core below the primaries, then remove the primaries, attach the magnets and close the loop with the cut-off-part of the core.

Now I have an idea how to switch the flux exacty  at the point where the mechanical movable bar is situated.
The only thing I am not sure about is if this core-material ( laminated core for 50 Hz-Application ) is suitable for this. If this works I could minimize the effort because I dont have to produce the secondaries.

What do you think ?

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Kator

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2008, 09:03:50 PM »
Hello all,

here is pic2 showing the details of the mechanical flux-modulation.

Regards

Kator

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2008, 09:03:50 PM »
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2008, 10:38:38 PM »
Hmm but if he is only using one side of the half wave sine then he can not be using a 'push pull'(not really pull) configuration. Since then you would need half part of the sine wave on each side of the device.  

But damn, I'm confused I mean in my test I am having a very hard time to get efficient workings with anything that is constantly powered by one polarity like half wave. Even with a big cap on top.

Hmm

Hi Steven,

I underlined your text above I would like to address.  I attached an picture from Getca what I edited for showing a push-pull set-up how I think the postive half wave on the left side and the negative half wave of the same cycle on the right side would control the magnetic shunts, I just mean the principle.  This way the missing any one half wave is joined in the output coil,  and there will be no lost half waves,  at least this is how I think, (maybe I am wrong).

This driving principle could be valid for this push-pull setup shown here by Getca: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg134494#msg134494 

What do you all think?

rgds,  Gyula

Edit: maybe the polarities of PM3 and PM4 are wrong but you understand what I meant.

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2008, 11:55:13 PM »
Hi Gyula,
Yes that indeed is a way to drive one such a device.
But if he indeed uses only one part of the half wave your design could not be used since that once needs on each side half of the ac sine.

And in my opinion design http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg134494#msg134494 could work just as well without airgap.
If driven that each side gets half wave ac each 180degree part of the sine ac.

Just for you who have never seen it, see that attached System.doc file for some info, crappy translation though.
And note the odd placement of the magnet, think about it. It's odd, when the Loop core saturates the fied from the magnet is supposed to go to the output side...?

Also try to follow his calculations in the attached: Calculations.doc

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2008, 02:23:34 PM »
Hi Steven,

Well I think some small but important details are still unknown for us but sooner or later we learn.

Re on air gap: I think air gap(s) are a good thing for controlling the amount of maximum flux permissable for a given core so maybe the setup in message #134494 could work without gaps you have a simple but effective flux control means for the permanent magnets to avoid saturation in the output cores.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2008, 02:23:34 PM »
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2008, 05:25:25 PM »
One thing I noticed in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npFVaeSbk1Q
Is that the full wave diode is not connected this time. The cables just run past it.
But who knows what is all in the box?


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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2008, 05:32:19 PM »
Hi Kator,
Hmm look at that thing lol!
Whats the black stuff? Anyway Yes with some modifications you could have yourself a test setup. Well the material should be good enough. Unless you want to go high frequency.


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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2008, 12:25:54 AM »
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But who knows what is all in the box?

In black box are INKOMP (Integral Commutator of magnetic fluxes) and only autor know what is inside.
We only know basuc principle. But I think that it`s enough?

Look at Getca`s schem and results.

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2008, 01:32:07 AM »
Hi Steven,

what´s the black stuff ? I guess you are referring to the black coating. The coating of the transformer-core is some black varnish and the black coating on the cores is some sticky stuff. These transformers are designed for outdoor-usage. They were mounted on teh roof near the neons in a metal-box which is not waterproof.

Yea, this black boys are very deadly if you are not careful when using grid-power.

however if you use a 12 V- dc-power-puls instead of the 230 Volts then you have a very good step-up-transformer where you can regulate Voltage and  power in two ways : DC-PWM and driving  this core-piece in and out.

Very robust stuff, work for eons ( related to our lifespan of course )

Regards

Kator


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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2008, 10:27:45 AM »
Hello to all inventors... :)
What do You think about the attached scope shot http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4300.0;attach=27305;image
It's important to analyse it and try to realize what happens in the output coil when the PM's flux is switched. The shot was made withot output air gaps. What do You think about the Lenz law and haw it includes in the MEG's working?.. I can give You an advise to compare the working principle of a trnsformer and MEG and get the differences. ;) It isn't too hard to do.

Wish You success...

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
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