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Author Topic: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg  (Read 199772 times)

Offline Getca

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2008, 10:37:50 PM »
Hello Gyula...
I haven't seen these patent and I don't know who is CHOBANOV VALERI, but I think Valeri Ivanov and Valeri Chobanov are the same person. The Integrated Swith of Magnetic Stream is patented by Valeri Ivanov as I know. There is some usefull info in the first attached file about principles of magnetic energy converting. Unfortunatelly the language is Russian. The author is Valeri Ivanov.
In the second file the inventor shows a measurement circuits and results. Also a half sinus wave for driving of the control coils is showed.

Regards,,,
Rossen 

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2008, 11:14:14 PM »
Hello all,
In 03.2007 I was been in Elin Pelin city, Bulgaria, and meet with mr. Walery Ivanow, inventor of "INKOMP". Translated to english, this name mean "integral commutator of magnetic fields".

COP (КПД) of this system is typically =2,4.
Measuring of input-output powers (see MEG_Ivanov_Results.png), when I see and we can see in videos in youtube is really.
Input power is sinusoidal 50Hz,  output power is sinusoidal too, but after rectified to DC with big capacitors, and loaded to bulbs. All measuring was been easy, really and correct. No fraud there.
Self feeding was NOT demonstrated.
Sometimes I`m Skype call with mr. Ivanow.

Information of basic working principle is available from inventor`s website (www.inkomp-delta.com), but small technical details is NOT available, because mr. Ivanow is patent pending.
In our forum (www.forum.beinsa.info), user Getca is trying to replicate his own construction, and experiment now is succesfull.
COP=1,3 and soon will be 1,5 without self feeding option. After, self feeding will be trying to achieve.
More experiments needed...

I will try to replicate Getca`s construction soon. And I will posted results and pictures.
Getca uses 2 types of "E" ferrite cores:
for by-pass core - Ш6х11mm, material K4000 Al=2800
for basic core - Ш12Ñ…15mm, material  K2004 Al=200

Regards,
altium
www.forum.beinsa.info
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 11:36:56 PM by altium »

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2008, 11:41:56 AM »
Hello...There is showed a magnetization curve and magnetic permeance, magnetic resistance changes in the attached diagrams. Bypass/swith core saturaton causes a magnetic resistance increasing and the result is a direction change of PM magnetic flux to the output secton of the main core. The magnetic flux change dФ/dt causes el. magnetic induction in the output coils. It is depends on the flux change speed and magnetic induction value.

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2008, 01:16:24 PM »
Hello Rossen,

Thank you for all the interesting and useful info and congratulations on your COP of 1.3 so far!

So you use the higher permeability core for the shunt coil (i.e. for input core) and the smaller permeability cores for the rest to complete the magnetic circuit.  I like your simple but effective setup of the E shape cores.

Regarding the scope shots, would you define where the zero lines are?  And also the time base is in usec or msec?

From the output coils point of view, the flux changes from a maximum value (dictated by the PMs and the core cross sections) to a minimum value (defined by the goodness (quality) of the shunt effect), right?  Well, this means the polarity of the flux does not change in the present setup (when your input appears) but its strength does, right?
Do you also use a diode at the input like Valeri shows if I am not too nosy?  :D 8)

Many thanks,
Gyula

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2008, 05:26:35 PM »
Hello Gyula...Thank You for the attention. In the first scope shot the control current is showed and the zero line is the bootom line of the grid. In the second scope shot the ouput voltage cicks are showed and the zero line is the middle grid line. The time base is 10 mikroseconds. It was my early experiment and it only demonstrates the principle of magnetic flux switcing using by Valeri Ivanov, but at high frecuency.
Yes You are right about the flux polarity, but it really changes. First it comes in the output coil, then it comes out the output coil (see GIF animation in one of my previous posts). It is thrue the MEG isn't a transformer and it's quite complicated device from its work point of view.
Now I get a sinusoidal output voltage in my actual device using serial resonant circuit. The output power is  about 45W. The most interesting is when I decrease the load to full short circuit, the input current doesn't change. This means the control and output magnetic loops are separated. I believe I can get better results in this way and I definitely do it. Later I try to post my actual results - scope shots, shematic, etc...
The MEG is posible and You have to be convinced in it.  ;) ;D
P.S. I don't use output rectifier and the control driving impulse is rectangular using power electrnic switch and IC555 timer as a generator.

Best wishes,
Rossen

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2008, 05:26:35 PM »
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2008, 06:36:16 PM »
Hi Getca.
Question, how big is your air gaps?
And how do you measure the amp usage? With a amp shunt and scope or an amp meter, and did you keep in mind that amp x volt = watt only applies for dc and in any other case you first need to determine the amsp/volt rms values. What I am trying to say that it is difficult to really tell watts when scope volt and amp traces are 'strangely' shaped. Not criticizing you, just wondering.

Many thanks!
Steven

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2008, 06:40:43 PM »
Hi Altium and thanks for the info!
Did you see his device or was it in a box, like in the video?

You say: "Input power is sinusoidal 50Hz"
Does that mean that he is directly driving the device with the sinusoidal input?
Or is that sinusoidal input fed to a diode or driving circuit?

Thanks
Steven

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2008, 09:33:39 PM »
In Waleri Ivanov`s home, I was seen black working box with sinusoidal input - from big transformer 220V/30V 50Hz (such as video) and sinusoidal output. I saw unfinished items (see flash video and pictures from inwertor`s site) next to him.
All powers was CORRECTLY measured with oscilloscopes, analog multimeters, etc. I do like precision measurement.

But now I`m work with Getca on his construction. We expect good results with COP=2.
We will give to you more updated information later, just be patient please.

Special greetings to all inventors, who NOT shared his information. :)



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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2008, 09:34:57 PM »
Well I wonder of someone can answer this, but here goes:
Why does Ivanov use half wave ac and not just full wave ac..? I mean it is the saturation level that counts and so the polarity of the field should/does not matter. So why the half wave ac?

Regards,
Steven

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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2008, 10:30:41 PM »
 >:(Steven Greer's AERO and Orion Project: sincere effort to usher in free energy or eloquent intel. front
 
 
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National Press Club, in the same fashion as his famed 01 conference. The idea is to reach hundreds of millions, to make them aware that there are more clean alternatives than wind , geothermal and solar. He has stated that he is working on having a demonstrator unit built  and have it be duplicated and verified by at least three independent sources. So, we assume that there are no robust units available in the public domain and that this is the obstacle to the grand press conference. He founded two organizations in this light- a non profit- Orion Project- to develop technology  and a standard company- AERO(Advanced Energy Research Organization) for marketing. In addition to this, he has asked for the public to donate three million dollars for a research facility. He states repeatedly through radio talk shows and visual presentations that all free energy inventors needs to work with him because that's the only way they can get around the ardent suppression of the last 100 years. The suppression is without doubt but the fact of the matter is that there are numerous free energy machines in the public domain, robust , multiple kilowatt. They are few and far between , but the holders of these units would be more than happy to give Greer a unit if they believed he was sincere. Greer does not have to have it build and some have been on record for multiple decades and their validity is incontrovertible, already verified and either ready for production as is or on the
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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2008, 11:53:45 PM »
Well I wonder of someone can answer this, but here goes:
Why does Ivanov use half wave ac and not just full wave ac..? I mean it is the saturation level that counts and so the polarity of the field should/does not matter. So why the half wave ac?

Regards,
Steven

Hi Steven,

I have also pondered on this question.  I think if you use full wave AC, then core saturation can occur twice within one full cycle so frequency doubling takes place in the output waveform, 100Hz out for a 50Hz input.

Of course you have to take care of the DC excitation received from the half wave rectification because it surely biases the input core to a certain direction on the B/H curve.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2008, 01:28:05 AM »
Hello Steven,

good question. I once had observed a weird effect when I loaded the primary of a step-down ring-transformer
( 230 V -> 12 Volt , 100 Watt ) with a halfwave, as this is shown in the hand-drawing above . Since I am a cautious person I put in series behind the diode a 230 V incandescant-bulb ( 30 Watt ). Now without diode the free wheeling transformer ( no load attached to the secondary) usually consumes just 0.7 watt and the bulb is dark.
But with diode the bulb was fully lit and the ring-transformer was humming and vibrating very loud with 50 Hz.

I stopped this experiment because at that time I thought it does not make sense to have that much of energy lost already at the primary with no load. Now the problem was that my watt-meter ( I bought this from a professional electronic-company here in germany) was showing more than 30 Watt input, so I knew then that it was reading false values.

You can try this yourself. I think something weird is happening with the Kick-Back-EMF after each halfe-wave which is not synchronized with the grid-frequency. If the kick-back-emf arrises it feeds back into the grid at the time the negative-part of the sinus-wave of the grid is on thus it is a grid-controlled back-feeding of the Kick-Back-EMF with no diode.
I now must repeat this experiment and find out more.

When I say Kick-Back-EMF then I do not refer to Back-EMF - this is something different.

In order to give you an impression of this  Kick-Back-EMF - especially in ring-transformers - you do the following experiment :

You take a transformer ( ring-trafo or a usual trafo of bigger size - at least 100 Watt ) measure with a analoge-Ohm-Meter  the primary until the scaler has reached his final position. Then - and you have to do this very quick in about 2 seconds  - you disconnect the probes and measure again but this time with changed probe- position on the leads. Tell me what you see.


Regards

Kator

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2008, 01:50:14 AM »
Hi Getca,

can you please tell us what coretype is the bypass and basic loop by naming it in you pic MEG_1.1.jpg.

Thanks

Kator

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2008, 09:52:46 AM »
Hello Steven...
The air gaps are between 0,5 and 1.5mm and it depends on the frequency and output power. About the measurement I use the basic theory like this http://www.opamp-electronics.com/tutorials/measurements_of_ac_magnitude_2_01_03.htm for AC output sinusoidal voltage and DC meter for the input DC voltage and current.
Why Mr Ivanov uses a half wave AC...I think because it's the simple way to drive the control coils and get back the magnetic energy via only one power diode. If he uses a push-pull magnetic sheme he just drives the control coils by the (+) and (-) half waves of AC input voltage. Of cource it's only my asumption... ;)

Regards...
Rossen

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Re: A truly overunity Transformer / Meg
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2008, 11:51:14 AM »
Hello Kator...
Nothing special about the cores. The main core E shaped, 12x15mm middle section, Al~200. The shunt core E 20/6, 6x6mm middle section, Al~1300. The cores working fracuency is under 100kHz. It was my early experiment, but it demonstrates a working principle of a magnetic flux switching using magnetic bypass with a core saturation.

Best wishes...
Rossen
« Last Edit: October 30, 2008, 12:36:44 PM by Getca »

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