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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2008, 01:34:52 AM »
Hi Amigo
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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2008, 06:15:43 AM »
To all,

The effects of CIS generating/ingesting have proved to be inconsistent for me. Back in November of '07, I had symptoms like sore throat, stuffy nose for a few days, nothing worth writing home about. I was taking CS in rather moderate quantities, my symptoms didn't get worse. Then one morning I woke up with a headache and muscle pain that lasted a whole work day. I kept thinking to myself that CS didn't work for me. Regardless, decided to make a fresh brew in the evening, roughly 1 liter. Drank some 0.2 liter, went to bed feeling pretty miserable. My wife tried her best to talk me into taking cold relief medicine, but I refused, not wanting to introduce additional variables into the equation. Woke up next morning and actually felt somewhat better. Drank another glass of CS and by noon I felt GREAT.
A friend of mine and his wife had similar experiences - she was fine after 1 day and for him it took 2 days to recover from cold/flu symptoms. I felt pretty upbeat about CS so when my wife went down with a cold, she drank CS but it didn't work for her.  :(
I was speculating that perhaps Beck's blood electrifier that I subjected myself to at that time helped, my wfe did not use it.

I early Feb '08 I caught a mild cold, took CIS, but this time it did not work at all for me. As the symptoms got worse, I had to resort to Nyquil/Dayquil, vitamin C, hot tea with lots of lemon juice in it to get better. I am still puzzled by this one. Did not use Beck's zapper at that time, perhaps I should have. Another difference is that I usually take a small amount into my mouth, swish it around for 10 minutes without swallowing, then spit it out. Subsequently, I drink the remainder of CS. But in ine early February, I only drank the fluid without keeping it under the tongue. Not sure if it matters or not.

Then about 2 weeks ago I began experimenting with this stuff again, but this time decided to put a freshly brewed jar with CS inside a small cardboard pyramid that I built a few months before. Perhaps I read somewhere about CS in pyramids, but can't remember, could be making this up, I don't know. One difference I noticed is that the silver water solution tasted smoother with less metallic aftertaste. Prior to ingesting this last brew of CS, I had scratchy throat - it usually is bad news for me as it then leads to upper respiratory tract infection.  But this time, I felt immediate relief in thoat soreness. Decided to take CS twice a day as a precation to minimize a chance of getting something more serious. Keep in mind that most of my coworkers suffered from colds / influenza in the last 2 weeks, but I am doing fine, knock on wood.

I am wondering if others would feel increased smoothness in CS taste after putting it in a pyramid, shold you decide to try. The proportions of my pyramid are close to that of Cheops (Khufu) one.

In summary, I am puzzled by these apparent variations in CS effectiveness, maybe my ignorance plays a major role here and with experimentation the consistency will come, I hope.

Happy experimenting.

J.

 


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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2008, 02:11:00 AM »
Jacek,

Thanks for that report, I think the more true personal experiences we gather there will be more empirical evidence to improve on CS in general.

I try to make it a practice to swish in my mouth and gargle since the sub-lingual absorption works fastest, after IV or inhaling. Though swishing for 10 minutes is quite difficult for me, I just have no patience. That's why I was thinking to use a nebulizer instead and inhale the vapours.

Do you have any instruments to measure your CS conductivity, and which circuit do you use to produce your CS? How about the Tyndall effect in your CS?

Over here I have a HM Digital COM-100 combo meter. My last experiments were 8.5-8-7ppm (for what's it worth), and I was using a constant current setup of ~440uA at 30V for about 7 hours.
I use 350ml of distiled water with two electrodes shaped in a U inside a standard borosilicate glass beaker. This batch was slightly heated using a USB powered heater (you can get those at computer stores to keep your coffee/tea cups warm).

I am not sure about increased smoothness, distiled water already feels pretty viscose, but putting CS into a pyramid is definitely my next test. Did you observe and positioning and orientation when you did this (CS placed at the King's Chamber and pyramid oriented towards geographic North)?

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2008, 02:38:19 AM »
i think this apparatus is not ready for year 2000
because of new researches and new technologies that are exist today.

there is a page in the site there is written Robert bob beak 1925-2002 so he died?
why is he died at 77? isn't that healthy people should live forever? nowadays people live 100 years
maybe it is because of silver drinks or something else
i think it is important to eat things you can digest.

what were the claims of the FDA why this is a bad apparatus?

this apparatus seems working but i think it may be dangerous
because it maybe killing some useful germ in the body.

maybe some professional biological tests should be be done to more refine it's operation and to make it work better.
i think it needs reworking.


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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2008, 04:06:04 AM »
Hi shimondoodkin,

Thanks for your comment.

As far as I know Dr. Robert Beck died due to complications from falling down - he had bad knees and there could've been some brain damage due to the fall. Definitely something his devices could not fix, but I'm sure if he had the time he would've worked on that problem as well. ;)

He was quite a brilliant scientist and an inventor of many things, among others an electronics camera flash. His credentials are impeccable, having spent most of his life working as a physicist for the US Gov, after retiring he focused on health subjects. But you don't want me typing all that, just google it and read up...

i think this apparatus is not ready for year 2000
because of new researches and new technologies that are exist today.

there is a page in the site there is written Robert bob beak 1925-2002 so he died?
why is he died at 77? isn't that healthy people should live forever? nowadays people live 100 years
maybe it is because of silver drinks or something else
i think it is important to eat things you can digest.

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2008, 05:14:41 AM »
Amigo,

I do not have any special instruments to measure conductivity, only a digital multimeter. Prior to applying electricity to the silver wires, I heat up the glass jar that contains distilled water (steam distilled water, to be exact - I buy it at Jewel foodstore) inside a steel pot on a gas stove. Once the tap water in the pot reaches boiling point, I set the gas knob to 'low' setting, apply 35 V DC to the wires. The amount of electric current at the very begining of the brewing process usually reads about 400 uA (that's micro-Amperes), so the related conductivity reading is 11.4e-6 S or 87.5 kOhms. The process is allowed to run for 1 hour typically at which point the current reads about 1.5 mA (milli-Ampres), voltage across the wires reads approximately 27 V DC (5.55e-5 S or 18 kOhms). Water is still clear with barely visible Tyndall backscatter effect). I do not have any idea what the ppm value is in my brew, but from what I read, ppm value is of secondary importance relative to the size of silver particles which should be as small as possible). In my understanding low current pretty much translates to small particle size.

Keep in mind that I am very much a newbie at making CIS and that everything I write here should be taken with a grain of salt.

Regards,
Jacek

edit: Forgot to mention that my cardboard pyramid is oriented to true N-S as close as possible with the aid of my very cheap compass. The top of the water level reaches some 3/4 of the height of the pyramid, I guess it means that King's Chamber is below that top level, I am not 100% sure.



 

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2008, 01:53:15 AM »
Hmm, I agree that particle size should be in the 0.001-0.01 microns range but that's impossible to measure without an electron microscope, but I also feel that concentration of particles should have an effect, the more particles in the solution less CS you need to take to saturate the body.

I have also used a Bedini Solid-State oscillator as a source (Dr. Peter Lindemann suggested it to me from his own past experience) and that would usually produce 3.5 - 5ppm (though I do not recall anymore what kind of Tyndall it had, I did not make notes at the time but will run more tests again).

Also, I believe you are mistaken about your pyramid orientation because True North is a geographical North towards the Northern Star (Polaris) not the compass derived magnetic North...

Thanks.

Amigo,

I do not have any special instruments to measure conductivity, only a digital multimeter. Prior to applying electricity to the silver wires, I heat up the glass jar that contains distilled water (steam distilled water, to be exact - I buy it at Jewel foodstore) inside a steel pot on a gas stove. Once the tap water in the pot reaches boiling point, I set the gas knob to 'low' setting, apply 35 V DC to the wires. The amount of electric current at the very begining of the brewing process usually reads about 400 uA (that's micro-Amperes), so the related conductivity reading is 11.4e-6 S or 87.5 kOhms. The process is allowed to run for 1 hour typically at which point the current reads about 1.5 mA (milli-Ampres), voltage across the wires reads approximately 27 V DC (5.55e-5 S or 18 kOhms). Water is still clear with barely visible Tyndall backscatter effect). I do not have any idea what the ppm value is in my brew, but from what I read, ppm value is of secondary importance relative to the size of silver particles which should be as small as possible). In my understanding low current pretty much translates to small particle size.

Regards,
Jacek

edit: Forgot to mention that my cardboard pyramid is oriented to true N-S as close as possible with the aid of my very cheap compass. The top of the water level reaches some 3/4 of the height of the pyramid, I guess it means that King's Chamber is below that top level, I am not 100% sure.


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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2008, 03:51:16 AM »
Amigo,

With the primitive equipment at hand, I am quite lucky to be able to make any CS, lol.
Seriously though, since my CS generator isn't capable of current limitting, I elected the low current (=small particle size?) vs higher ppm.
I should've made this clear in the previous post.
I may modify the generator to be able to limit the current.

As to the N-S orientation, this is best I can do at the moment (eyeballing with an aid of simple compass), however I am aware of magnetic deviation from geographic N-S line, currently -3 degrees for where I live. Additionally, the pyramid I use is a cardboard one, definately not the most accurate replica of the Grand One in Giza :).

J.





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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2008, 04:19:53 AM »
Hehe sorry, I didn't mean to be a pain in the a$$, I'm just a stickler for details and when it comes to things like this precise details might be important to ensure that identical results repeat each time. :D

You could use LM334 for current limiting, a very simple circuit which also has two resistors and a diode...I guess you did not use any kind of voltage or current limiting but applied 30V straight and just count the time in your brew.

I was going to actually build a Microchip PIC driven system with data logging and sample measurements so that the process is stopped at the right moment. A really good page for an in-depth analysis is Mike Monett's "SilverSol" at http://members.spsdialup.com/mts@spsdialup.com/index.htm if you aren't aware of it already. :)

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2008, 12:36:14 AM »
Amigo,

I modified the CS generator by adding current limiters to each electrode path (using Beck-based blood purifier device for this job). Current is set to a maximum of 1 mA. Distilled water gets heated up before applying the current then process is allowed to run overnight for approximately 10 hours. The finished solution is clear with no visible goldish tint to it, hardly any solids (silver salts or oxide?) on the bottom of the jar and STRONG Tyndall, silver wire pretty much clear of gunk. I keep ingesting this colloid, feel fine.
The link below suggests that my ppm could be pretty high (1 liter, 1 mA, 10 hours):
http://www.silvermedicine.org/Silver%20v01%5B1%5D.09.06.xls

In another experiment I pured some milk into two small cups, ran 75 mA / 35 V DC current thru silver wires in one of them for a couple of minutes. Then covered the cups with small saucers and left them sitting on a kitchen table since Friday night. This morning the 'silver' milk still smelled fresh with no symptoms of solidyfying. The milk in 'control' cup turned smelly and semi-solid.

So in conclusion, it appears that silver particles have slowed down the process of the milk going spoiled. Will keep an eye on the 'silver' milk until it starts smelling or getting 'kefired'.

Thanks for the LM334 current limiter suggestion, did not have any on hand so I used an MPS651 NPN transistor plus 2 resistors and two diodes to do the job.

Best,

j.

edit: used a wrong name in the first line.
 

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2008, 02:45:40 AM »
Hi jacek,

I do not believe you need to have current limiter on both paths, just on the positive electrode path. You could also try to switch electrodes every 15-30 minutes to prevent Silver Hydroxide from forming.

Depending how long your electrodes are, 1mA might be too much current. Usually the electrode wet surface is calculated and the current applied computed based on that surface.

With regards to the colour, there's an old book about colloids called Practical Colloid Chemistry, section on Colours of Colloidal Metals that talks in detail about various colours. Peter Lindemann in this article refers to it http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

Also, you might want to read this one about Lunar influences on electrochemical production of colloidal silver: http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm :)

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2008, 03:57:56 AM »
I do not believe you need to have current limiter on both paths, just on the positive electrode path. You could also try to switch electrodes every 15-30 minutes to prevent Silver Hydroxide from forming.

Depending how long your electrodes are, 1mA might be too much current. Usually the electrode wet surface is calculated and the current applied computed based on that surface.

Amigo,

Thanks for sharing the links.

The reason I put current limiters on both paths is because my CS gen swaps the electrodes polarity every 20 minutes or so.

I use the 14 AWG wire with about 4" of each wire wetted. IIRC, someone on the Web (sorry, I don't have a link handy right now) suggested 1 mA current for my arrangement, however I am open for suggestions if you don't mind sharing.

Funny, I had a strange feeling that Moon had something to do with CS, lol. It makes it even more interesting.

Take care,

Jacek
 


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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2008, 12:56:29 AM »
Hi jacek,

14AWG seems to me pretty thin, but in general you need to compute the wet surface of each electrode and add them together then I believe it's 1mA for each square inch, though I think that ratio is someone else's not mine.

My electrodes are 12AWG, and I actually have 10AWG as well, with the dipped part of about 6" each (both are curved in a nice U shape to increase the surface). I drive them with 400-600uA constant current at 30V DC no switching for several hours, or using a Bedini solid state oscillator up to an hour.

Depending which method I use the Tyndall effect is different suggesting different particle size. With Bedini oscillator there are no large specks and Tyndall is more transparent (eyeing it out) while the constant current one is less transparent with occasional scintillations suggesting larger particles.

In general they say to get the smallest possible particle size you can, regardless of the concentration in ppm. The smaller particles penetrate cells better and are most commonly used internally (ingested, sub-lingual, inhaled) while larger particles are better for oral applications (eyes, skin, nose, etc).

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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2008, 09:26:05 PM »
Interesting....i make my CS to straw yellow. Takes just a couple of hours to make couple of litres. Current limit is 7 ma voltage 25.  Taking the brew to 10 ppm is ideal for several reasons.

1) it gives reference point to when the CS is ready because when it optimum it will turn very pale yellow. This can ONLY happen when enough silver has gone into the solution to refract the light and happens around 10 ppm.

2) 10 ppm is know scientifically to be the optimum level for fastest eradication of pathogens.

If you ever see any other colors or contaminates throw it away! Any hint of grey the brew is contaminated. Orange over brewed.

Light straw yellow with no crap seen on the bottom ......perfect.

When you drink it it should have a slight metallic taste but its not unpleasant. Kinda of antiseptic properties to it. Swish around your mouth is good for hogs breath:)

Clean the silver wire regularly during the brew. Keep OUT of sunlight. Once you made it put in a dark cupboard. If you leave CS in the sun light for a few hours you kill it.

Dont use metal pans for heating the water. CS should only ever be made in pyrex glass ware. Not even stirred with metal spoon. ANY contamination is bad. Everything must be washed sterile in distilled water and rinsed perfectly. Heating on coffee plate or microwave oven.

Tons of stuff on google about this but this is my guide. When you are sick you can drink half a pint! yes HALF PINT a day of 10 ppm silver for around 30 days without ever reaching unsafe limits. If you are making a clear water batch at room temps you may never even get to as high as 5-7 ppm even after 10 hours.   Once you are well again the back ground support dose is 2 table spoons a day. Or even non at all.  I don't take CS all the time i take it IF i need it. I know many many people that drink as much as a pint of CS a day for years and never turn blue in fact it almost impossible if you use pure water and NEVER EVER add salt or anything into the CS. Only then you will make silver nitrates and run the risk of CS blues.  Dont forget folks there are over 10 million CS users in the US now and only about 8 have gone blue and they drunk buckets for decades. If you are sensible you will NEVER go blue but no point taking a sip a day either and expect it to work miracles when you are very sick.

If you get a bad cold coming on you know when you wake up throat dry nose feels stuffy and hot. You must act fast!  Squirt CS up your nose and in your ears. You must do this as the cold virus is now in the inner ear and sinuses.  Drink 1/4 pint of CS in the morning then the next 1/4 at night.  Use a spray bottle and inhale CS 3 sharp breaths and suck it in to get down on your lungs and do ears nose lungs 3 or 4 times per day. Within 30 minutes each time you will notice a huge difference. But you must continue the process. 90% of bad colds and flu can be gone in about 12 to 18 hours. Even the worst flu can be reduced to 2 days instead of the usual 3 or 4 days feeling like crap.

Using becks blood cleaner if you make your own go and buy a kit of spare TENS machine electrodes. You can buy like 10 for a few bucks and the self sticky ones can be used for like 2 weeks before you need to replace them. Cut them into strips if you have to so they fit on the wrist correctly. Much more comfy and they stay in place.

BTW becks stuff absolutely does work given time. Don't be fooled you must start slow. If you go straight in with 2 hours and never used it before you will be sorry!  Its a bit like when you are given 1000 mg of Amoxicillin it makes you feel like shit for a couple of days due to die off effects.  You should always start slow like 15 mins then 30 increase to 2 hours a day for 30 days. etc. Google for the beck protocol.  If you over do it you will feel sick and get a light head and must drink lots of pure fresh water VERY important.

Anway the TPU team on here should be experts at making this stuff especially the beck zapper coil. Otto TPU should be good for banging out 70,000 gauss:)  That should cure any cancer known to man LOL

Remember the beck protocol requires everything to work on sickness.  CS, blood cleaner, magnetic zapper, ozone water (excellent stuff) and your commitment. If you skip any of these it may not work of be short lived recovery.




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Re: Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2008, 01:30:33 AM »
Wow, has it been over two months since I stopped in here, on my own topic?

I suppose I feel that it is a bit off topic of the whole OU thing.  I did not want to keep bumping it to the top.

But, since it has already been bumped, (thank you, bolt,) I just want to report that I have nothing to report.

I have been feeling well and feel no need to use it.

My father, however, just got his four nines in the mail this week.  He is now waiting on his two ppm meters to arrive.
(He got one for me too.  :'( Aww...)  He even purchased buffer solution.

It feels odd to get my father interested in something new. ???

Thanks for the PPM data.  It sounds within the same order of magnitude that my dad was tossing about recently.

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